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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 16, 2012 17:23:28 GMT 3
Job,Nothing new, just the usual ODM propaganda that we have become so accustomed to. Mudavadi has not wronged anyone, he has instead shown a lot of tolerance and exercised a lot of restraint. Non of the demands Mudavadi made were as unreasonable and as bizarre as many of you would have the world believe. For starters, like Mudavadi, I know not of any party at this point in time that has only one man as the sole presidential candidate. Not in this world, leave alone Kenya. How does an attempt to move the party towards this direction become unreasonable? Nominations in mature democracies or in democracies that truly believe in free will and choice are done in jimbos or the smallest units of representation, where, as much participation and transparency as possible can be guaranteed. Only conventions are held in central places. Our constitution has taken this path, and that is what Mudavadi spend time explaining to the ODM honchos, but they could have none of it. What do you expect Mudavadi to do when he has a party leader running around the country telling everyone that he has no trouble with his deputy, yet his top dogs are calling villages all over Luo Nyanza to find out where the next funeral will be so as to use them as a platform to throw insults at him? Even if Musalia fails to get where he wants to at this time, at 50, he still has many years ahead of him for good things. He only needs to free himself from the oppressive regime that is ODM. They never accepted him and as we recently learnt from Shakir Shabir, he has all along been considered adopted and therefore should only be seen and not heard within the party ranks. Leaving ODM is the best thing that could happen to Musalia. All his peers are now political heavy weights in their own rights, he realized that just before it got a bit late. He will recoup, that I am sure. In the meantime, ODM and Raila will soon realize how Musalia was dear to them. The funerals are serving them right at the moment. But when it comes to the real work of filling Musalia's shoes, that is when the real trouble will begin. Look at Balala, they threw him out arguing that he has no support. The last three weeks have seen the PM literally pitch camp at the coast, na bado. When I see the names being bandied around as the possible Musalia replacements, I laugh myself silly. For instance, how can anyone in their rightful minds think of Marende as a running mate? Worse still, Frankline Bett or Omar Hassan? It is laughable to say the least. They will soon realize that, there comes a time when Kenya actually becomes smaller than Migori. mwalimumkuu,May be you want to read what job wrote before responding. It is a pretty mature look at the dynamics. It is a pity that some people are badly imprisoned by their tribal cocoons they just can't get out of it. And they want to condemn the entire board to the same. Just ridiculous.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Apr 16, 2012 17:31:21 GMT 3
Job,Nothing new, just the usual ODM propaganda that we have become so accustomed to. Mudavadi has not wronged anyone, he has instead shown a lot of tolerance and exercised a lot of restraint. Non of the demands Mudavadi made were as unreasonable and as bizarre as many of you would have the world believe. For starters, like Mudavadi, I know not of any party at this point in time that has only one man as the sole presidential candidate. Not in this world, leave alone Kenya. How does an attempt to move the party towards this direction become unreasonable? Nominations in mature democracies or in democracies that truly believe in free will and choice are done in jimbos or the smallest units of representation, where, as much participation and transparency as possible can be guaranteed. Only conventions are held in central places. Our constitution has taken this path, and that is what Mudavadi spend time explaining to the ODM honchos, but they could have none of it. What do you expect Mudavadi to do when he has a party leader running around the country telling everyone that he has no trouble with his deputy, yet his top dogs are calling villages all over Luo Nyanza to find out where the next funeral will be so as to use them as a platform to throw insults at him? Even if Musalia fails to get where he wants to at this time, at 50, he still has many years ahead of him for good things. He only needs to free himself from the oppressive regime that is ODM. They never accepted him and as we recently learnt from Shakir Shabir, he has all along been considered adopted and therefore should only be seen and not heard within the party ranks. Leaving ODM is the best thing that could happen to Musalia. All his peers are now political heavy weights in their own rights, he realized that just before it got a bit late. He will recoup, that I am sure. In the meantime, ODM and Raila will soon realize how Musalia was dear to them. The funerals are serving them right at the moment. But when it comes to the real work of filling Musalia's shoes, that is when the real trouble will begin. Look at Balala, they threw him out arguing that he has no support. The last three weeks have seen the PM literally pitch camp at the coast, na bado. When I see the names being bandied around as the possible Musalia replacements, I laugh myself silly. For instance, how can anyone in their rightful minds think of Marende as a running mate? Worse still, Frankline Bett or Omar Hassan? It is laughable to say the least. They will soon realize that, there comes a time when Kenya actually becomes smaller than Migori. mwalimumkuu,May be you want to read what job wrote before responding. It is a pretty mature look at the dynamics. It is a pity that some people are badly imprisoned by their tribal cocoons they just can't get out of it. And they want to condemn the entire board to the same. Just ridiculous. Adongo,How do you mean? I just told Job that none of these things he pens here in my view pushed Mudavadi out. Mudavadi actually pushed a very progressive and mature agenda, it is a very well documented fact and well discussed issue here on Jukwaa and in the country at large. But since the party is beholden to a tribal cocoon, they could not see beyond what Mudavadi was saying. They instead got entangled in stupid games to protect and save the party leader at all costs. The rest is now fast becoming history. What is wrong with that take but AO? Or is it only mature when it is painting Mudavadi in bad light contrary to what the rest of us know?
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Post by mzee on Apr 16, 2012 18:06:12 GMT 3
mwalimumkuu,May be you want to read what job wrote before responding. It is a pretty mature look at the dynamics. It is a pity that some people are badly imprisoned by their tribal cocoons they just can't get out of it. And they want to condemn the entire board to the same. Just ridiculous. Adongo,How do you mean? I just told Job that none of these things he pens here in my view pushed Mudavadi out. Mudavadi actually pushed a very progressive and mature agenda, it is a very well documented fact and well discussed issue here on Jukwaa and in the country at large. But since the party is beholden to a tribal cocoon, they could not see beyond what Mudavadi was saying. They instead got entangled in stupid games to protect and save the party leader at all costs. The rest is now fast becoming history. What is wrong with that take but AO? Or is it only mature when it is painting Mudavadi in bad light contrary to what the rest of us know? What is Mudavadis agenda? Or are u confusing vendetta for agenda?
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Apr 16, 2012 18:23:08 GMT 3
Adongo,How do you mean? I just told Job that none of these things he pens here in my view pushed Mudavadi out. Mudavadi actually pushed a very progressive and mature agenda, it is a very well documented fact and well discussed issue here on Jukwaa and in the country at large. But since the party is beholden to a tribal cocoon, they could not see beyond what Mudavadi was saying. They instead got entangled in stupid games to protect and save the party leader at all costs. The rest is now fast becoming history. What is wrong with that take but AO? Or is it only mature when it is painting Mudavadi in bad light contrary to what the rest of us know? What is Mudavadis agenda? Or are u confusing vendetta for agenda? No, Mzee, we shall not allow lies, not this soon. Mudavadi had two main items on his agenda: i). Devolve the system of nominations within the party, and;
ii). Allow competition and more participation in the nominations.
They were just two, not many. Now tell me, how does this become vendetta, especially now that we are talking about enhanced participation and transparency in our parties and system as a whole?
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 16, 2012 18:30:52 GMT 3
What is Mudavadis agenda? Or are u confusing vendetta for agenda? No, Mzee, we shall not allow lies, not this soon. Mudavadi had two main items on his agenda: i). Devolve the system of nominations within the party, and;
ii). Allow competition and more participation in the nominations.
They were just two, not many. Now tell me, how does this become vendetta, especially now that we are talking about enhanced participation and transparency in our parties and system as a whole? My friend, Mudavadi has already left ODM which is what he wanted to do. I am more interested in what happens after that not the backward stuff. Mudavadi can take his party democracy to New Ford Kenya or whatever. The ODM story is over. The issue for Mudavadi is what do do now and the issue for ODM is how to move forward. I think that is where people need to invest their plans and thinking. Mudavadi thought the grass was greener the other side. Let him find out. Odm should eish him luck and he should wish ODM luck. Now they become competitors. End of story.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Apr 16, 2012 18:38:19 GMT 3
No, Mzee, we shall not allow lies, not this soon. Mudavadi had two main items on his agenda: i). Devolve the system of nominations within the party, and;
ii). Allow competition and more participation in the nominations.
They were just two, not many. Now tell me, how does this become vendetta, especially now that we are talking about enhanced participation and transparency in our parties and system as a whole? My friend, Mudavadi has already left ODM which is what he wanted to do. I am more interested in what happens after that not the backward stuff. Mudavadi can take his party democracy to New Ford Kenya or whatever. The ODM story is over. The issue for Mudavadi is what do do now and the issue for ODM is how to move forward. I think that is where people need to invest their plans and thinking. Mudavadi thought the grass was greener the other side. Let him find out. Odm should eish him luck and he should wish ODM luck. Now they become competitors. End of story. You are now talking. And that is why I told you up there that, Mudavadi will be fine. He is now free to chart his own path free of patronage and condescension, and that ODM will soon realize how they have actually squandered all the options and opportunities they ever had. But we shall still call out lies and cheap propaganda, if and when we see them here.
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Post by tnk on Apr 16, 2012 21:17:42 GMT 3
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Post by morimax on Apr 17, 2012 8:16:59 GMT 3
tnkseems like mudavadi has hit a jackpot and don't be surprised if and when he becomes the next pork. The numbers will be on his side if he quits and positions himself conveniently.
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Post by tnk on Apr 17, 2012 10:01:06 GMT 3
tnkseems like mudavadi has hit a jackpot and don't be surprised if and when he becomes the next pork. The numbers will be on his side if he quits and positions himself conveniently. maybe you're right, and maybe not myself i take it one day at a time right now, the players are just gearing up, next phase is when the teams are formed, after that comes the slogans and campaign themes etc etc. there is still a very long way to go.
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Post by roughrider on Apr 17, 2012 11:09:10 GMT 3
..............and now the whole jaluo community have turned on him as the 'traitor'............ ....... proves is that ODM is simply a Raila/Nyongo Luo outfit masquerading as a political party..................... Goodness me. Here we go again. Solid brains give way to runny slurry.
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 18, 2012 0:00:46 GMT 3
RR & Others,Just like many folks here speculated this whole Mudavadi grand march to State House is beginning to look more and more confused by the day. That is typical with grand marches. Starting them is the easy part. Beyond that you might end nowhere. www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000056509&cid=4¤tPage=1A few things are now relatively clear. 1. Mudavadi was in such a rush to bolt from ODM that once they jumped on the registration phony excuse they really never thought things through. It was like run and run and never look back with very little idea where to go. It seems the only certain thing is that Mudavadi wants his name in the ballot box. It does not matter to them how that happens. 2. Mudavadi has adopted the exact same script like Uhuru and Ruto. Get your tribal chiefs behind you and declare you a presidential candidate and then go fishing for some kind of party to support you. That route has its pit falls. For one thing building alliances when you are already pronounced the tribal king of any particular tribe begs the question, what role do you expect those allies to play other than be your spanner boys and girls? What if those other parties are also led by tribal kings who have promised their tribes the presidency? Which king gives way to the other king. 3. All the media hype about Ford Kenya etc were just make believe stories it seems. I was baffled how Wamalwa would fold for Mudavadi and surrender his meal ticket. Mudavadi has one huge problem he absolutely has no whiff of a party to join. At least Uhuru had Kanu and some PNU connections and have grabbed some other parties now to sit on. Mudavadi has no such thing. Unless he wants to buy TIP from Kalembe most other parties are meal tickets which may require more than just cash and there is no time to create a new party. Mudavadi will have less than two weeks to work with if he wanted to mint his own party. Strangely Mudavadi left ODM allegedly because he wanted democratic nominations held in the counties etc and yet all we hear now is Mudavadi wants to be annointed by a party, any party so that his name ends in the ballot. 4. The fantasy that Mudavadi will be the preferred alternative to Kikuyus and Kalenjins is loaded with infinite risks. Ask Kalonzo. Mudavadi cannot go out there and sell himself as the guy who will inherit Uhuru and Ruto votes without having to tell the chaps that their goose is cooked and they are destined to the Hague and should gracefully handed over their so called votes to him. That will send the ICC chaps into endless tantrums. They don't want to hear anything like that. That is a taboo topic if you want to ally yourself with Uhuru and Ruto. You must pretend that they are viable candidates and must contest for the presidency. Now how do you do that if you want to grab their votes? Strangely enough, even the Uhuru and Ruto supporters who have been salivating about Mudavadi cannot fathom the thought that their boys are damaged goods. They prefer to live in denial. So in their world Uhuru will run for the presidency. Ruto will run for the presidency. In fact Uhuru may run with Ruto as his deputy and somehow in the midst of all these Mudavadi is still supposed to win with the help of Uhuru and Ruto supporters. Something just doesn't add up in that picture. Assuming there is any logic in that line of thinking, Mudavadi leaving ODM leaves Raila vulnerable for them to defeat. Has anybody tried to figure out what happens in round two of the vote because Raila will go to round two. Mudavadi has been told by some that he can win in round one. None of his close confidants seem to have considered what happens if he loses in round one. May be they don't have to since they will be simply out of work. People being paid to think for politicians, need to help them cover all bases. Mercifully I am not one such person. It is one job with very little job security if any. 5. Assuming Uhuru and Ruto see sense and decide to let Mudavadi be their proxy and therefore decline to run, who has figured out what configurations will emerge in the Uhuru and Ruto strongholds. Will people just sit back and say well Uhuru has asked us to vote for Mudavadi and that is it? May be not. How about the Ruto zone? What happens. 6. I think when "pundits" get exhausted playing figures on who will be whose running mate, they may need to take a few minutes to figure out what the shifting thoughts of the Kenyan masses may be given different political configurations. There is this obsession that politicians think for Kenyans and then tell them what to do. It is actually not a very accurate understanding of the Kenyan political landscape as our recent history suggests. I see interesting times ahead.
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Post by janam80 on Apr 18, 2012 10:38:04 GMT 3
To sum it all, Mudavadi is under a spell, he's under satanic diversion; Atleast he's chosen the alternative route, which is the most terrible and effective way to destroy his potentials and amputate his political life. We were all taught in sunday school that, there is a way which seemeth right unto a man; But the end thereof are the ways of death. The way of diversion is sometimes the way of least resistance. He needs spiritual guidance.
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Post by kelly on Apr 18, 2012 11:11:27 GMT 3
To sum it all, Mudavadi is under a spell, he's under satanic diversion; Atleast he's chosen the alternative route, which is the most terrible and effective way to destroy his potentials and amputate his political life. We were all taught in sunday school that, there is a way which seemeth right unto a man; But the end thereof are the ways of death. The way of diversion is sometimes the way of least resistance. He needs spiritual guidance. We were also taught in Sunday school that Jesus is white and Satan is black. Stop being silly!
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Post by janam80 on Apr 18, 2012 11:35:46 GMT 3
To sum it all, Mudavadi is under a spell, he's under satanic diversion; Atleast he's chosen the alternative route, which is the most terrible and effective way to destroy his potentials and amputate his political life. We were all taught in sunday school that, there is a way which seemeth right unto a man; But the end thereof are the ways of death. The way of diversion is sometimes the way of least resistance. He needs spiritual guidance. We were also taught in Sunday school that Jesus is white and Satan is black. Stop being silly! Kelly, Your sunday school teacher was never mine,so, I dont know how you judge me to be foolish!...
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Post by Daktari wa makazi on Apr 18, 2012 12:00:35 GMT 3
Is this not panic?
I have counted over a handful of threads on one, Musalia Mudavadi. Some even can't spell the man names correctly. All with a view to discredit him and downplay his political 'worth'.
Mudavadi has no chance in ODM, which has no democracy. It is rule of the jungle, it seems the winner is the one who throws most stones. He will definitely walk out at one point.
My concerted view is that Musalia Mudavadi may turn out to be a blessed middleman in all this caracole when he fully makes his move.
His steadfast announcement of his presidential ambitions could reap sympathisers who are not interested in the heavy-handedness we see around. A gainer for Mudavadi, despite being in different camps with the ICC 4, is that he has been playing safe with the Hague issue.
Mudavadi knows Raila’s weakness and has exposed his 'game' for the nation to see. Raila’s allies fear Mudavadi could use county nominations in Rift Valley to sway the vote in his favour thus refuse point bank to amend their Constitution. That is why they are keen to maintain the undemocratic rule that the party leader automatically becomes the presidential nominee.
I like what I see – ODM operates in full gear, in the process, shitting themselves to oblivion.
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 18, 2012 12:24:21 GMT 3
Is this not panic? I have counted over a handful of threads on one, Musalia Mudavadi. Some even can't spell the man names correctly. All with a view to discredit him and downplay his political 'worth'. Mudavadi has no chance in ODM, which has no democracy. It is rule of the jungle, it seems the winner is the one who throws most stones. He will definitely walk out at one point. My concerted view is that Musalia Mudavadi may turn out to be a blessed middleman in all this caracole when he fully makes his move. His steadfast announcement of his presidential ambitions could reap sympathisers who are not interested in the heavy-handedness we see around. A gainer for Mudavadi, despite being in different camps with the ICC 4, is that he has been playing safe with the Hague issue. Mudavadi knows Raila’s weakness and has exposed his 'game' for the nation to see. Raila’s allies fear Mudavadi could use county nominations in Rift Valley to sway the vote in his favour thus refuse point bank to amend their Constitution. That is why they are keen to maintain the undemocratic rule that the party leader automatically becomes the presidential nominee. I like what I see – ODM operates in full gear, in the process, shitting themselves to oblivion. Sadik , As you have pointed out the tug of war between Raila and Mudavadi is actually about the ODM primaries and that is the reason Railas faction in ODM is trying to kick Mudavadi out of ODM albeit in an unorthodox manner . Once that fails the same way maintaining the undemocratic clause in ODMs constitution of the party leader automatic nomination as the presidential candidate is bound to fail the next focus by Railas faction will be with tampering of delegates i.e. some delegates will be replaced or names will go missing and also some regions(RV,Central,Eastern, N.E &Coast) will have cut in the number of delegates. In short the tug of war is long-haul and dependent on Mudavadis tactfulness it is next to impossible for Raila to beat Mudavadi in the primaries having stepped on toes of vote rich regions like RV,Central Eastern ,N.E. & Coast. From the look of things Mudavadi is doing good he has a good chance for the presidency both inside and outside of O.D.M. After the brutal in-fights in O.D.M. it might be difficult for the party to recover as JOB stated somewhere else here in Jukwaa. Funny how ODM supporters were crying out loud how G7 wont be able to hold up come 2012 and in reality it seems its O.D.M. which might break up.
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Post by mangai on Apr 18, 2012 13:03:01 GMT 3
Sadik , As you have pointed out the tug of war between Raila and Mudavadi is actually about the ODM primaries and that is the reason Railas faction in ODM is trying to kick Mudavadi out of ODM albeit in an unorthodox manner . Once that fails the same way maintaining the undemocratic clause in ODMs constitution of the party leader automatic nomination as the presidential candidate is bound to fail the next focus by Railas faction will be with tampering of delegates i.e. some delegates will be replaced or names will go missing and also some regions(RV,Central,Eastern, N.E &Coast) will have cut in the number of delegates. In short the tug of war is long-haul and dependent on Mudavadis tactfulness it is next to impossible for Raila to beat Mudavadi in the primaries having stepped on toes of vote rich regions like RV,Central Eastern ,N.E. & Coast. From the look of things Mudavadi is doing good he has a good chance for the presidency both inside and outside of O.D.M. After the brutal in-fights in O.D.M. it might be difficult for the party to recover as JOB stated somewhere else here in Jukwaa. Funny how ODM supporters were crying out loud how G7 wont be able to hold up come 2012 and in reality it seems its O.D.M. which might break up. Some correction. ODM primaries as advocated by Mudavadi were to be done by ODM DELEGATES at County level, not the general populace. The ODM delegates in Rifty Valley or Central are clearly not Ruto or Uhuru supporters to the extent that they can rebel against Raila. Those are true Raila supporters who remained in ODM when for instance Ruto walked away with his supporters. Unless they are unfairly induced, there is no guarantee that they will vote as per dictates of Uhuru or Ruto. It is akin to saying somebody like Kuguru of FORA would have voted for Mudavadi just because he happens to come from Central, an area that is pro Uhuru. Something that comes out of Mudavadi's consultations is that the man did not have a plan B. He was ready to fight it out within ODM but must have been hurriedly advised by his supporters to seek for alternative party hence his statement that he will be giving a comprehensive answer on the way forward 'very soon'. Once he had done that and the perception created that he was bolting out of ODM, he had to pursue that option lest he be seen as a coward. To ODM supporters now villifying Mudavadi, my advise to you is, do not burn bridges with this man, who knows you might need him in future. I still find him to be honest and could vote for him any day. It should also be put on record that in 2007, ODM did not have party leader position in its consitution but the chairmanship was the highest ranked post. After the NARA accord in 2008, the position of PM was reserved for Leader of party with majority members of parliament. It was in that spirit that the position was created specifically for Raila to enable him be elected PM of Kenya. Roles had to be created for that position and since there was perception that elections could be held if NARA collapsed, then it was prudent that the party leader be the automatic presidential candidate to regain what was 'unfairly robbed' of him. Two deputy leader positions were also created for Mudavadi and Ruto. The automatic presidential nomination rule was inserted and approved by the two deputies and not to lock out Ruto as some media claimed recently. If anything and until recently, Ford Kenya, one of the oldest political parties in the country had that clause of the party leader being the automatic presidential candidate until it was changed when Wetangula took over. ODM must have had good reason to insert that clause in their constitution and Mudavadi and Ruto were then agreeable to the idea.
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 18, 2012 15:14:09 GMT 3
Folks,
Let me offer a free advice. Those who were expecting a brawl and a fist fight between ODM and Mudavadi or ODM supporters "vilifying," "witch hunting" or even demonizing Mudavadi have so far been very disappointed. Even on the ground ODM leaders and members have not even bothered to talk about Mudavadi or pick fights with him. Some are busy trying to invent that fight but it is not there. So my advice is those who paid money going to the wrestling match hoping for these mother of all fights need to ask for a refund and try something else.
Mudavadi has left ODM on his own free will. End of story. That is his right. Whether it was a blunder or not only time will tell. The issue some of us are trying to dissect is how Mudavadi's hurried exit from ODM impacts on the political landscape. Where does Mudavadi fit? How does Mudavadi's arrival shift the ground for everyone including the Hague Boys? Did Mudavadi jump into a plane and take off without figuring where to land? Is that not a dangerous way of operating a plane leave alone traveling? Can Mudavadi work with or for the Hague bound characters? If so how? Those are complex scenarios which when looked at reveals the options are not as easy as some thought.
On the other hand what does ODM do now? Can they take full advantage of the opportunities presented to them by Mudavadi's exit while also dealing with the challenges of the same.
Those to me are the issues at stake. There is no need and no value in rehearsing Mudavadi ODM battles whatever they were or were made to appear. That is irrelevant.
To his credit Mudavadi has been very honest as far as his political ambition is concerned. He simply wants his name in the ballot. How that happens is now his first challenge with very little time to work with. Mudavadi has avoided the Ruto lunacy of leaving ODM and spending every single minute of his life talking about and fighting ODM and Raila for years.
In other words Ruto had no other agenda apart from fighting ODM and ODM had no choice but to give it to him and they did even here in Jukwaa. Mudavadi has chosen a different path and ODM members should respect that. I said before and I will say it again. ODM should leave Mudavadi alone. Accept his choice, wish him well and deal with him as a competitor. There are those out there wringing there hands hoping for a Mudavadi ODM fist fight. Let them wring their hands till they bleed and shame the devil. Don't give them that fight and re-organize your party. There is a lot of work to be done.
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Post by raiswakesho on Apr 18, 2012 21:32:59 GMT 3
Adongo,
It would be wise if ODMers took ua advice and wished MM well in the race to presidency however, I tempted to tell you that the likes of Midiwo & Kajwang' won't keep their mouth shut.
It maybe a little early to call it a no brawl divorce... weekend is approaching & you know what that means to some politicians. They'll do their best to attend any funeral service they can get to in order to attack their opponents! I bet u that MM's major announcement that we all expect to come over the weekend will open another round of attacks from both wings.
I knew this election period was gonna be too soiled and it would have been so hard to sell my agenda to Kenyans. I still believe I made the right choice to stay out of the race...5yrs isn't too long, the work continues!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2012 0:06:37 GMT 3
Mudavadi is really thinking ;D It's amazing to watch his mind at work. Greed can only get you so far and that's not too far. Musalia Mudavadi told the Luhya elite yesterday that his name must be on the presidential ballot if the region is to gain economic emancipation. But it seems not everyone from the community is convinced. A minister and two MPs from the region who attended an early morning parley with Mudavadi were overheard expressing doubts about his chances of success in the presidential race. They asked why he had left it so late in the day to hold his first meeting with the Luhya elites.www.the-star.co.ke/national/corridors-of-power/71798-the-corridors-of-power
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 20, 2012 16:43:54 GMT 3
When we said Mudavadi' plane took off without figuring where they were going to land may be we were right. This thing is all over the map with no plan A, B, or C. Now Mudavadi wants to work with Peter Kenneth who is a very good guy but Muthamaki hates him. Is Mudavadi not supposed to be Uhuru's back up plan? How does that work out? Never mind Balala the floater. May be they need to look for Mwakwere who seems to have missed the URP canoe. Here is what I am talking about. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Kenneth+hints+at+a+Mudavadi+alliance/-/1064/1390066/-/hsm0tvz/-/index.html
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Post by tnk on Apr 20, 2012 17:41:15 GMT 3
When we said Mudavadi' plane took off without figuring where they were going to land may be we were right. This thing is all over the map with no plan A, B, or C. Now Mudavadi wants to work with Peter Kenneth who is a very good guy but Muthamaki hates him. Is Mudavadi not supposed to be Uhuru's back up plan? How does that work out? Never mind Balala the floater. May be they need to look for Mwakwere who seems to have missed the URP canoe. Here is what I am talking about. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Kenneth+hints+at+a+Mudavadi+alliance/-/1064/1390066/-/hsm0tvz/-/index.htmladongo i think mudavadi, did not or has not thought through this thing. building alliances out there when your house is on fire doesn't sound smart. this guy is losing his home support too fast, he'll end up like nyagah and tuju, i.e recognized by a handful here and there out there but unpopular at home base when it counts very unwise considering the new dispensation has elevated counties into very powerful entities. further these people he is counting on for support, themselves have very tough battles ahead and will abandon all else mid-flight to cater to their own troubles (G7, kenneth, karua ,etc). the man is literally leaving a comfortable homestead to go wander in the wilderness. wish him all the best. hehehehe he has now also lost (thanks to his friends) the only title that endeared him to ODM and RAO and previously assured him of no.2 , "trusted and loyal deputy". now its open game.
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Post by job on Apr 20, 2012 18:21:50 GMT 3
When we said Mudavadi' plane took off without figuring where they were going to land may be we were right. This thing is all over the map with no plan A, B, or C. Now Mudavadi wants to work with Peter Kenneth who is a very good guy but Muthamaki hates him. Is Mudavadi not supposed to be Uhuru's back up plan? How does that work out? Never mind Balala the floater. May be they need to look for Mwakwere who seems to have missed the URP canoe. Here is what I am talking about. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Kenneth+hints+at+a+Mudavadi+alliance/-/1064/1390066/-/hsm0tvz/-/index.htmlWho goes on top of the ticket? Peter Kenneth or Musalia or Balala. The moment that question is answered, you begin to realize the big pores underneath the vessel. Musalia's indecisiveness is showing yet again. First he sought to play the ethnic Kingpin card - retreating to the Luhya enclave and summoning councillors from Western (remember he is the Local Government Minister) at Kakamega. Sensing the public outrage against the GEMA, KAMATUS like tribal politics, he quickly went in for a photo-op with the next leaders he could find from outside Western. That is Kenneth and Balala. What was probably a photo-op to Musalia, was indeed taken very seriously by Peter Kenneth, who has indeed already lauched his presidential campaign; with a registered party in hand. This invites yet another conundrum for Musalia - duking it out with Kenneth and the likes inside Kenneth's already built house (KNC). Ambitious national politicians need to be more artful, visionary and creative. You don't just wake up one morning and decide I'm going into Peter Kenneth's house to inherit his wife and children while he's still alive. Hellooooo!!!! Where is your house? Is it intact or the abandoned family is scattered somewhere "out there". That's the big question for Musalia. This business of trying to manga manga outside your house (ODM) into the huts of Khalwale, Shitanda, Kenneth, or Balala, assuming their take-over would be the next best thing since sliced bread needs some injection of reality. The deadline for political party submission of lists is just days away. What party (house) can be built within days? Musalia ought to be more organized than this. I don't want to start questioning his judgment - but am I already seeing him throwing away a golden shoe-in opportunity for a future Presidency; just like he did in 2002, decamping from the victory-bound Rainbow Alliance into the sinking MV Uhuru ship?
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Post by mzee on Apr 21, 2012 4:39:41 GMT 3
Job, I don’t think that Mudavadi is even sure if leaving ODM is the right thing. If it were and if he had planned this thing all along, we would have seen him heading some briefcase party just like Ruto the William (as Nereah calls him). Mudavadi dares not announce that he has deserted ODM, which is pure spinelessness. The problems are that however he looks at it, everybody sees him as a running mate and nothing else. I really wonder why he would like to be a running mate in parties that cannot win elections? If this guy wants to be Uhurus decoy, let him just go to Uhuru directly without further ado. I think that this election is getting very interesting. Some are going to cry “I wish I knew”.
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 21, 2012 17:06:22 GMT 3
Poor Moses. He is in the mountains and nobody is waiting for him downstairs. The plane is in the air and the gas is running out. Now where to land. That is the problem. Folks, it looks like Mudavadi's advisers (including the ones he pays to help him like my good buddy Kabatesi) told him he must leave ODM. They didn't tell him what to do after that. That is a dereliction of duty. Oh yes, Oh yes. And his new name is : My Name Must In the Ballot Mudavadi. I am not making this up. Here we go: www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2012/04/mudavadi-my-name-must-be-on-the-ballot/
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