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Post by adongo23456 on May 2, 2012 1:19:55 GMT 3
tnk,
Mudavadi has jumped into a bush fire. And right in the middle of the bush. There is inferno on all sides. Like I said this is Uhuru's party. Abdikadir and a few other names were thrown in as last minute spices to add taste. The big boys in that party are the likes of Jeremiah Kioni ( an Uhuru loud barking dog), Nderitu Muriithi, Kabando wa Kabando and Nyamweya. Abdikadir was the toast of the Uhuruto mob in Naivasha where they tried to destroty the draft katiba. Nyamweya is a perrenial sweeping guy for these folks starting with DP and PNU.
Nobody there so far has any meaningful national appeal that Mudavadi is talking about about. These is a party of regular political manambas. Now let Mudavadi go there and try to manage those boys. That is a messy mob. They are going to twist Mudavadi on their thumbs.
And don't be surprised if the mob decide that they want a joint candidate with Uhuru's new toy party (NPK) and whoever wins the nomination will be supported by both parties. They could even add New Ford Kenya in the mix? What would Mudavadi do if they make that move? Run away to another party? They are going to tell him he wanted competition in nominations and they are offering exactly that and if he wins they will support him but if he loses he has to support the winner. Oh boy. Let the games begin.
Mudavadi should have learnt from Raila's move in 2002 when he formed an alliance with Kanu and then Moi realizing that now they had Raila tried to put Raila in the rubbish heap and imposed Uhuru and who else, Mudavadi as the Kanu ticket. Raila was smart enough to go into the alliance with Kanu with his house still pretty much intact, Mudavadi has nothing at all.
When Moi started playing games with Raila I remember my good friend David Murathe (even then an Uhuru aide) arguing all the time in the news that Raila had nowhere else to go and will have no choice but to stay in Kanu and be guaranteed a cabinet position. I thought that was a highly arrogant perspective.
In the end Raila took off with a big chunk of the Moi armour from Kanu and made the historic alliance with the Kibaki forces to form Narc which swept Moi and all his alleged political magic to oblivion.
Mudavadi may be thinking of doing something similar but in reality Mudavadi is so far only attracting the attention of ODM rejects like Balala and by going to UDFP he can forget about the likes of Ngilu or any other significant ODM figures following him there. That is a house of some nasty political manambas and few people are going to try to squeeze in there.
Mudavadi in essence is now in a spot where he has no control whatsoever and has burnt his own house before becoming a guest in this new home. That is a very dangerous move and no way out.
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Post by reporter911 on May 2, 2012 2:52:36 GMT 3
tnk,Mudavadi has jumped into a bush fire. And right in the middle of the bush. There is inferno on all sides. Like I said this is Uhuru's party. Abdikadir and a few other names were thrown in as last minute spices to add taste. The big boys in that party are the likes of Jeremiah Kioni ( an Uhuru loud barking dog), Nderitu Muriithi, Kabando wa Kabando and Nyamweya. Abdikadir was the toast of the Uhuruto mob in Naivasha where they tried to destroty the draft katiba. Nyamweya is a perrenial sweeping guy for these folks starting with DP and PNU. Nobody there so far has any meaningful national appeal that Mudavadi is talking about about. These is a party of regular political manambas. Now let Mudavadi go there and try to manage those boys. That is a messy mob. They are going to twist Mudavadi on their thumbs. And don't be surprised if the mob decide that they want a joint candidate with Uhuru's new toy party (NPK) and whoever wins the nomination will be supported by both parties. They could even add New Ford Kenya in the mix? What would Mudavadi do if they make that move? Run away to another party? They are going to tell him he wanted competition in nominations and they are offering exactly that and if he wins they will support him but if he loses he has to support the winner. Oh boy. Let the games begin. Mudavadi should have learnt from Raila's move in 2002 when he formed an alliance with Kanu and then Moi realizing that now they had Raila tried to put Raila in the rubbish heap and imposed Uhuru and who else, Mudavadi as the Kanu ticket. Raila was smart enough to go into the alliance with Kanu with his house still pretty much intact, Mudavadi has nothing at all. When Moi started playing games with Raila I remember my good friend David Murathe (even then an Uhuru aide) arguing all the time in the news that Raila had nowhere else to go and will have no choice but to stay in Kanu and be guaranteed a cabinet position. I thought that was a highly arrogant perspective. In the end Raila took off with a big chunk of the Moi armour from Kanu and made the historic alliance with the Kibaki forces to form Narc which swept Moi and all his alleged political magic to oblivion. Mudavadi may be thinking of doing something similar but in reality Mudavadi is so far only attracting the attention of ODM rejects like Balala and by going to UDFP he can forget about the likes of Ngilu or any other significant ODM figures following him there. That is a house of some nasty political manambas and few people are going to try to squeeze in there. Mudavadi in essence is now in a spot where he has no control whatsoever and has burnt his own house before becoming a guest in this new home. That is a very dangerous move and no way out. you are spot on... Whispers everywhere on the ground Mudavadi had been approached earlier on by Uhuru team.. to head their Presidential Bid ( "Uhuru and his team are smart cookies" if UHURU can't get into Statehouse then with all his money he had to Buy a puppet! that he and his guys can control from Mt. Kenya !! "pay him big money and hold a blackmail card ready to unleash on him once he s in statehouse just incase he doesn't follow their nyayo!! MUDAVADI was their best bet.. "whispers on the Ground are Big $$$$$$ exchanged hands before Mudavadi agreed to make the move to Uhuru & Co UDFP party ;D ;D Those other MP's following blindly have no idea... but Kenyans citizens ain't fools The truth will come out, but the best bet is Kenyans can see through the smoke screen "Uhuru + Mudavadi = central province in STATEHOUSE ;D Mudavadi will be controlled by a Mt Kenya leash ..... (ati he is fed up of ODM?- yani this Mudavadi guy can sell his western Kenya down the tubes..just to become a puppet for Uhuru & Co? very sad) THE JOKE IS TO ALL THOSE LUHYA MP'S THAT ARE FOLLOWING BLINDLY WITHOUT KNOWING THE DETAILS OF WHAT WENT DOWN!.. western Kenyans are smart to see through the sheep in wolf's skin..
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Post by morimax on May 2, 2012 4:44:29 GMT 3
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Post by chokoraa on May 2, 2012 8:02:52 GMT 3
honestly if that is what MM wanted why did he take so long to 'make his mind'? Is that what MM can come up with after thinking for several weeks?
The era of MM is over. The aim is that he becomes a spoiler for RAO in western, but with the vehicle he has chosen nobody in western is going to follow you. MM has given RAO votes on a silver platter.
MM I hope the briefcase was heavy enough to care for you for another 5 or so years!!!
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Post by kamalet on May 2, 2012 10:35:17 GMT 3
I think we need to look at the people following MM at his re-launch today. Includes former ODM perceived candidates of the Luhyia kind now trooping to KICC.
Live on major TV channels
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Post by kamalet on May 2, 2012 10:37:15 GMT 3
Interesting arrival is Balala!
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Post by phil on May 2, 2012 10:49:05 GMT 3
I think we need to look at the people following MM at his re-launch today. Includes former ODM perceived candidates of the Luhyia kind now trooping to KICC. Live on major TV channels Of course we are watching. UDFP it is, and I can see all the vultures from KANU, New FORD-K, PNU and of course ODM. Mudavadi is obviously looking to craft a coalition but as I said int he other thread, forming pre-election coalitions is not a monopoly of any one individual or group of individuals. Most of these vultures are really there to celebrate the supposed ODM split and also angle themselves for a running mate slot. Most of these parties are briefcase outfits, albeit those that have complied with the PPA. Mudavadi does not strike me new faec Kenya is looking for.
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Post by phil on May 2, 2012 10:51:00 GMT 3
Interesting arrival is Balala! A none entity in Mombasa and a liability to any political coalition, last heard of complaining about Muslims being isolated after declaring himself a non-ODM member.
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Post by kamalet on May 2, 2012 10:55:21 GMT 3
Mudavadi resigns as Minister and does an Uhuru by staying on as DPM!
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Post by tnk on May 2, 2012 10:55:22 GMT 3
amazing
he has resigned ODM leadership and Min of local govt but not DPM
clever ruse
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Post by phil on May 2, 2012 10:55:57 GMT 3
This is a predictable circus.
Mudavadi resigns as ODM Deputy Party Leader and also as Minister for Local Government, but is remaining as Deputy Prime Minister. We said it!
He has pre-empted the mini cabinet reshuffle that was to replace him and also taken the same route as Uhuru Kenyatta. Backstabbing the ODM fraternity that made him Deputy prime minister.
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Post by kamalet on May 2, 2012 10:56:39 GMT 3
Interesting arrival is Balala! A none entity in Mombasa and a liability to any political coalition, last heard of complaining about Muslims being isolated after declaring himself a non-ODM member. Phil ...really? ....really? I think you ODM chaps have your heads too deeply buried in the sand
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Post by phil on May 2, 2012 11:03:50 GMT 3
Waving at cameras is not equitable to being an ODM member.
Of course, Mudavadi functionaries have been busy this week hiring crowds.
Another thing; Why stay on as ODM MP. Why retain ODM membership while announcing defection to a new party? Hoping that Kamale can see the dishonesty!
And also not to be forgotten, this is a direct nomination. No county elections demands.
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Post by kamalet on May 2, 2012 11:07:44 GMT 3
Waving at cameras is not equitable to being an ODM member. Of course, Mudavadi functionaries have been busy this week hiring crowds. Another thing; Why stay on as ODM MP. Why retain ODM membership while announcing defection to a new party? Hoping that Kamale can see the dishonesty! And also not to be forgotten, this is a direct nomination. No county elections demands. Phil Are you seriously asking me to see the dishonesty? I actually learnt to deal with the fraud that is the Kenyan politician so for me it is just a big joke I am seeing. What ODM can now do is go to the registrar and petition the speaker to throw him out of the house to precipitate an by-election. You and I know that such a by-election would be a referendum on ODM and as such the mandarins at Orange house know that the most they can do is sit at the corner sucking up their thumbs.
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Post by adongo23456 on May 2, 2012 14:58:37 GMT 3
hehehehehehehehe. So this is it. This is the big bombshell? Really. I don't see why some people are so excited that Balala came to the launch. What else does Balala do? Ooh. I forgot. ODM is now dead. Get real people.
Mudavadi did a good thing resigning from the ministry of local government without having to be dragged crying and wailing like kina Uhuru had to be. I personally don't give a rat's foot about the DPM position. It is a useless office. Mudavadi is basically raia. Now begins the work. I expect to hear makelele from UDF honchos very soon. Mudavadi simply walking in as the candidate of UDF defies all his pretence about internal democracy in political parties. That fraud of his is now out in the air. Expect Mudavadi to start hearing from UDF folks demanding internal democracy in their own party. It seems to me that there is a lot behind the scenes we are not hearing. Mudavadi will have to cough out millions after millions everyday to buy folks in there. Let the mud start flying around. It will. Trust me on that.
Meanwhile ODM should go on with their business. Fill the Local Ministry position with strategic smartness and get rolling. It is a brand new day for them. The Mudavadi entitlement politics is now out of the way. Make the best of it and move in with the program. I see this as a blessing to ODM but they have to be smart and work very hard.
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Post by phil on May 2, 2012 15:12:19 GMT 3
Phil Are you seriously asking me to see the dishonesty? I actually learnt to deal with the fraud that is the Kenyan politician so for me it is just a big joke I am seeing. What ODM can now do is go to the registrar and petition the speaker to throw him out of the house to precipitate an by-election. You and I know that such a by-election would be a referendum on ODM and as such the mandarins at Orange house know that the most they can do is sit at the corner sucking up their thumbs. Here are the dishonesty and violation of the law that I am talking about. Mudavadi is worse than Ruto for all I care. CAP11 of the Laws of Kenya The Political Parties Act, 2011
14. Resignation from political party. 14. (1) A member of a political party who intends to resign from the political party shall give a written notice prior to his resignation to—
(a) the political party;
(b) the Clerk of the relevant House of Parliament, if the member is a member of Parliament; or
(c) the clerk of a county assembly, if the member is a member of a county assembly.
(2) The resignation of the member of the political party shall take effect upon receipt of such notice by the political party or clerk of the relevant House or county assembly.
(3) The political party of which the person is a member, the member, or the clerk of the relevant House of Parliament or of a county assembly of which the person is a member shall notify the Registrar of such resignation.
(4) A person shall not be a member of more than one political party at the same time.
(5) A person who, while being a member of a political party—
(a) forms another political party;
(b) joins in the formation of another political party;
(c) joins another political party;
(d) in any way or manner, publicly advocates for the formation of another political party; or
(e) promotes the ideology, interests or policies of another political party;
shall, notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (1) or the provisions of any other written law, be deemed to have resigned from the previous political party.
(6) Subsection (5) (d) and (e) shall not apply to a member of a political party in relation to the common objective of a coalition.
(7) A member of a political party may only be expelled from that political party if the member has infringed the constitution of the political party and after the member has been afforded a fair opportunity to be heard in accordance with the internal party disputes resolution mechanisms as prescribed in the constitution of the party.
(8) A person who suppresses or attempts to suppress any lawful political activity of another person commits an offence and shall, on conviction be liable to a fine not exceeding one million shillings or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years or to both.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on May 2, 2012 16:36:59 GMT 3
Obviously the best thing that could ever happen to Mudavadi. ODM has become the proverbial plague, if you can run away from it, run and run and never look back. Things are looking good for Mudavadi, he is now free from the york of dictatorship and big man show that was strangling him.
He now needs to keep a level head, right attitude and good company. Talk to every mama mboga and baba baiskeli who have been let down by siasa ya mikia nusu na vitendawili, from mtwapa to nabakholo, dadab to the mara and mandera to migingo, all of them. The stakes are too high and he cannot afford any missteps.
He already comes across as a very likeable man across the board. Of course it will not be easy, he has to work hard. His first assignment, whipping the Oparanyas into submission and the rest will fall in place.
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Post by okolowaka on May 2, 2012 17:13:06 GMT 3
...So Mudavadi has been nominated by Uhuru and/or UDFP delegates at the county level, or this "democracy thing" was to apply to ODM only? ... Anyway, awaiting direct nomination too are 47 governors; 47 senators; 47 women's representative; 290 MPs; 1500 county representatives... Kazi kwako...
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Post by adongo23456 on May 2, 2012 17:32:43 GMT 3
...So Mudavadi has been nominated by Uhuru and/or UDFP delegates at the county level, or this "democracy thing" was to apply to ODM only? ... Anyway, awaiting direct nomination too are 47 governors; 47 senators; 47 women's representative; 290 MPs; 1500 county representatives... Kazi kwako... Apparently he is supposed to be "whipping Oparanya into submission" as part of the Mudavadi democracy process. Talk about convoluted thinking. Some people need serious help.
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Post by akinyi2005 on May 2, 2012 17:37:42 GMT 3
...So Mudavadi has been nominated by Uhuru and/or UDFP delegates at the county level, or this "democracy thing" was to apply to ODM only? ... Anyway, awaiting direct nomination too are 47 governors; 47 senators; 47 women's representative; 290 MPs; 1500 county representatives... Kazi kwako... Hehehe if MM gets the presidential nomination, then direct nomination it is for everyone from senator to county rep. Considering that UDF ina wenyewe he will have to negotiate with/ pay the founder members to get slots for his 'entourage' if they are indeed brave enough to decamp with him.
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Post by mangai on May 2, 2012 17:39:04 GMT 3
There was a time when Raila was known to work best when faced with difficult circumstances. Case in point, when Kalonzo 'ran away' with ODM K certificate, Raila surprised everybody by acquiring the 'original' ODM from Mugambi Imanyara. Mudavadi's exit is arguably the biggest loss so far for ODM as a party. What surprise does Raila have for us this time round? Is he capable of, for instance, reconciling with Ruto who, unlike Mudavadi, is yet to relinquish his ODM Deputy Party Leader post?
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Post by mwalimumkuu on May 2, 2012 17:41:46 GMT 3
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Post by merlin on May 2, 2012 18:09:28 GMT 3
Mudavadi resigns as Local Government minister to join UDFPBy NATION Reporter Posted Wednesday, May 2 2012 at 10:46Musalia Mudavadi resigned as Local Government minister Wednesday as he announced formally quitting ODM to join a new party. He, however, maintained that he will continue to serve as Deputy Prime Minister and Member of Parliament for Sabatia constituency. Read more: www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Mudavadi+resigns+as+Local+Government+minister+to+join+UDFP/-/1064/1397898/-/a3m2gp/-/index.htmlWhat does this mean “Formally” for honourable men of high integrity? Formal: of or following established conventions. Could this mean following the the Political Parties Act?
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Post by bob on May 2, 2012 19:06:16 GMT 3
This simply rubbish & utoto for that matter. this RAO has been through a lot since he ventured into politics & political minnows or mercenaries on hire like Khalwale who only make noise in luhya land are not going to stop him from seeking the top office of the land. If this so called deputies were worth there salt & were people of integrity they would have resigned & sort fresh mandate since the do not work for the prime minister but the people of this magnificent country Kenya.
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Post by euonyi on May 2, 2012 19:24:19 GMT 3
Can these fellows be compared to the situation brought to light here when Raila was accused of party hopping? He went for by-elections... and if not, then pulled out of gava!!
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