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Post by adongo23456 on May 27, 2012 21:39:25 GMT 3
ruto and mudavadi are (still) members of ODM, so ODM can choose whoever it so wishes. adongo said this already, if ruto and mudavadi want slots for URP and UDF, they and their supporters need to come back to parliament with their respective parties Precisely why Ruto and Mudavadi must be consulted, they are shareholders and their input must be taken into consideration. Not unless you both mean that ODM is Raila and Raila alone. ODM has nominated 12 candidates for their 5 spots. Those candidates seem to be from every part of the country including the Kalenjin community which Ruto claims to be the sole representative of. Should all those candidates go to bow at the alter of Ruto to be acceptable? I don't think so. This is a losing battle for Ruto. But then again what else is new. This has been Ruto's drama for over four years now. Whine, whine and whine some more about Raila. Look how far that got him. Nowhere. He is now in the jungle fighting for crumbs. Good for him. Kibaki doesn't give a shit about him anymore. That is a far cry from the days Ruto was being invited at State House by Kibaki. Uhuru has better plans than waste time with him (Ruto). The only person laughing is Moi seeing Ruto go down so terribly. We warned him, didn't we? He thought he was smarter. Now he has to deal with himself. Not an easy thing if you ask me.
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Post by tnk on May 28, 2012 3:41:12 GMT 3
Precisely why Ruto and Mudavadi must be consulted, they are shareholders and their input must be taken into consideration. Not unless you both mean that ODM is Raila and Raila alone. oh please, you are not talking to 3 year olds
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Post by nereah on May 29, 2012 15:08:31 GMT 3
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Post by mwalimumkuu on May 30, 2012 7:02:56 GMT 3
Nereah, Ruto is very much in order to demand consultations on this issue, not just as ODM deputy party leader but also as a member and MP. I am sure you know the meaning of consultation dont you? There must be concurrence.
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Post by raiswakesho on May 30, 2012 18:57:55 GMT 3
I've advised Bill to focus his energy in selling his new party rather engaging in unnecessary squabbles. ODM list was approved by its PG and if Bill needed any consulatation as a "member" of ODM then he ought to have attended the the PG meeting.
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Post by boyengo on May 31, 2012 15:34:52 GMT 3
Uncorfirmed report indicate that odm's nancy,kiangoi,ngaru,judith pareno,zeni abubakar have sailed through and elected to eala. Please someone to confirm.
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Post by mintos on May 31, 2012 15:40:05 GMT 3
yep, thats correct
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Post by adongo23456 on May 31, 2012 16:20:48 GMT 3
Uncorfirmed report indicate that odm's nancy,kiangoi,ngaru,judith pareno,zeni abubakar have sailed through and elected to eala. Please someone to confirm. What happened to all the chest thumping by Ruto and co. These guys are going to break their own ribs with their fists for nothing. Bure kabisa.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on May 31, 2012 16:38:22 GMT 3
Uncorfirmed report indicate that odm's nancy,kiangoi,ngaru,judith pareno,zeni abubakar have sailed through and elected to eala. Please someone to confirm. What happened to all the chest thumping by Ruto and co. These guys are going to break their own ribs with their fists for nothing. Bure kabisa. What happened is, after marshalling more than 40 MPs to a meeting late last evening, Mudavadi and Ruto agreed on the other nominees safe for Raila's cousin and former MP Odoyo. He was subsequently replaced by Judy Pareno whom Mudavadi and Ruto were both comfortable with. That was a big statement that shows how the balance of power has shifted in ODM.
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Post by adongo23456 on May 31, 2012 17:03:28 GMT 3
What happened to all the chest thumping by Ruto and co. These guys are going to break their own ribs with their fists for nothing. Bure kabisa. What happened is, after marshalling more than 40 MPs to a meeting late last evening, Mudavadi and Ruto agreed on the other nominees safe for Raila's cousin and former MP Odoyo. He was subsequently replaced by Judy Pareno whom Mudavadi and Ruto were both comfortable with. That was a big statement that shows how the balance of power has shifted in ODM. hehehehehehe. So they didn't want anybody whose name starts with O. Is that it? This is the big shift of power? Ruto and Mudavadi shared one nominee whom they are "comfortable with". These guys need help big time. We said this was a waste of air by Ruto and indeed it was worse than farting in the air. Next please. And by the way before you try to mislead people, below is the list of Ruto and Mudavadi which went nowhere except for Kiangoi who was already endorsed by ODM. www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000059080&story_title=MPs-allied-to-Ruto,-Musalia-meet-ahead-of-EALA-vote
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Post by raiswakesho on May 31, 2012 17:31:22 GMT 3
mwalimumkuu,
Politicians must know which battles to fight because tactically, it makes a lot of difference. Another lose for Bill...soon he'll be taking my advice!!
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Post by mwalimumkuu on May 31, 2012 18:37:25 GMT 3
Adongo,From face value yes, they had a problem with the 'O' name and this is why. One of the seeming silent policies of ODM (read Raila) is that nepotism is a qualifier for all appointive positions. That, if you are the PM's relative you stand a very high chance of getting a job that comes the ODM way. With this move, these guys managed to put a stop to that by kicking that Odoyo man out. Secondly, the two (Mudavadi and Ruto) managed to hammer out a working formula on how to deal with parliamentary issues especially where ODM is concerned. They now have the numbers, many enough to push their agenda through just as they did with this one. Thirdly, a statement has been made that, it will no longer be business as usual in the ODM party. And by the way, it is you who is misleading this board, the article you quote above, clearly states that the MPs did not divulge their preferred nominees but you and that standard writer still go ahead and throw around some names. UDF and URP did not have any problem with the four names as presented, Abisai staying away from sabatia is just as gainful for Musalia as it maybe for Odinga. Kiangoi is a very neutral guy maybe with even a longer history of working with Ruto and Mudavadi than with Raila. Ngeny whereas an Odinga ally, getting a stamp of approval from Ruto serves him (Ruto) just fine given that he has no value really in RV politics. Plus Judy was sneaked in too. That is where we are my friend. www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2012/05/four-women-chosen-for-9-eala-slots/
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Post by mwalimumkuu on May 31, 2012 18:41:31 GMT 3
mwalimumkuu, Politicians must know which battles to fight because tactically, it makes a lot of difference. Another lose for Bill...soon he'll be taking my advice!! My friend, by your own admission, whomever you refer to as Bill is what s/he is today without your advise and you are what you are with that thinking. If at all s/he will need your advice now on, that is between the two of you and has nothing to do with us.
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Post by adongo23456 on May 31, 2012 19:28:23 GMT 3
Adongo,From face value yes, they had a problem with the 'O' name and this is why. One of the seeming silent policies of ODM (read Raila) is that nepotism is a qualifier for all appointive positions. That, if you are the PM's relative you stand a very high chance of getting a job that comes the ODM way. With this move, these guys managed to put a stop to that by kicking that Odoyo man out. Secondly, the two (Mudavadi and Ruto) managed to hammer out a working formula on how to deal with parliamentary issues especially where ODM is concerned. They now have the numbers, many enough to push their agenda through just as they did with this one. Thirdly, a statement has been made that, it will no longer be business as usual in the ODM party. And by the way, it is you who is misleading this board, the article you quote above, clearly states that the MPs did not divulge their preferred nominees but you and that standard writer still go ahead and throw around some names. UDF and URP did not have any problem with the four names as presented, Abisai staying away from sabatia is just as gainful for Musalia as it maybe for Odinga. Kiangoi is a very neutral guy maybe with even a longer history of working with Ruto and Mudavadi than with Raila. Ngeny whereas an Odinga ally, getting a stamp of approval from Ruto serves him (Ruto) just fine given that he has no value really in RV politics. Plus Judy was sneaked in too. That is where we are my friend. www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2012/05/four-women-chosen-for-9-eala-slots/ mwalimumkuu,I see you are having a bad day so I am not going to waste too much time. In this battle your boys walked away empty handed. They just didn't have the vote. There is nothing to quibble endlessly about here. As to the new parliamentary agenda of Mudavadi and Ruto regarding ODM we have heard that before. We have been told about " we have numbers" syndrome a million times. It was those numbers that they promised Kibaki will help them coronate Visram as the CJ and Ruto became a fixture at State House briefly. I wonder what happened there. Anything? So chill out, take the defeat for what it is and move on. There will be another day for chest thumping. Just go slow on the chest next time. We don't want you break your ribs now on lost causes. Better luck next time.
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Post by raiswakesho on Jun 1, 2012 4:52:47 GMT 3
Ruto & his group had promised to block the ODM nominations unless they were consulted but at the end of the day, they failed!! Spinning the results to suit their ego isn't enough to fool those who are smart but I guess quite delicious for those on the other side of the aisle.
Five ODmers were elected and no one should have any doubt whose side they lean on!!
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Post by tnk on Jun 1, 2012 6:02:21 GMT 3
Ruto & his group had promised to block the ODM nominations unless they were consulted but at the end of the day, they failed!! Spinning the results to suit their ego isn't enough to fool those who are smart but I guess quite delicious for those on the other side of the aisle. Five ODmers were elected and no one should have any doubt whose side they lean on!! spot on exactly how i read it also smart advice to ruto to focus on building his party and stop engaging in frivolous issues
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Jun 1, 2012 7:13:06 GMT 3
Adongo,From face value yes, they had a problem with the 'O' name and this is why. One of the seeming silent policies of ODM (read Raila) is that nepotism is a qualifier for all appointive positions. That, if you are the PM's relative you stand a very high chance of getting a job that comes the ODM way. With this move, these guys managed to put a stop to that by kicking that Odoyo man out. Secondly, the two (Mudavadi and Ruto) managed to hammer out a working formula on how to deal with parliamentary issues especially where ODM is concerned. They now have the numbers, many enough to push their agenda through just as they did with this one. Thirdly, a statement has been made that, it will no longer be business as usual in the ODM party. And by the way, it is you who is misleading this board, the article you quote above, clearly states that the MPs did not divulge their preferred nominees but you and that standard writer still go ahead and throw around some names. UDF and URP did not have any problem with the four names as presented, Abisai staying away from sabatia is just as gainful for Musalia as it maybe for Odinga. Kiangoi is a very neutral guy maybe with even a longer history of working with Ruto and Mudavadi than with Raila. Ngeny whereas an Odinga ally, getting a stamp of approval from Ruto serves him (Ruto) just fine given that he has no value really in RV politics. Plus Judy was sneaked in too. That is where we are my friend. www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2012/05/four-women-chosen-for-9-eala-slots/ mwalimumkuu,I see you are having a bad day so I am not going to waste too much time. In this battle your boys walked away empty handed. They just didn't have the vote. There is nothing to quibble endlessly about here. As to the new parliamentary agenda of Mudavadi and Ruto regarding ODM we have heard that before. We have been told about " we have numbers" syndrome a million times. It was those numbers that they promised Kibaki will help them coronate Visram as the CJ and Ruto became a fixture at State House briefly. I wonder what happened there. Anything? So chill out, take the defeat for what it is and move on. There will be another day for chest thumping. Just go slow on the chest next time. We don't want you break your ribs now on lost causes. Better luck next time. Adongo,My friend, you are a very interesting character and very good at twisting and turning everything on its head. Soma hapa, it may help you understand what is going on. www.standardmedia.co.ke/index.php?articleID=2000059118&story_title=%E2%80%98Operation-Stop-Raila%E2%80%99www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/ODM+rivalry+plays+out+in+Eala+elections/-/1064/1417568/-/gl14jn/-/index.htmland please read in between the lines, see for example the number of votes that went to Abisai and figure out why. Meanwhile, here is your brother Midowo crying wolf: But Midiwo’s described the matter as unfortunate; “when people meet in terms of tribe to bring the so called one-of-our-own because he is a Raila man or a Raila woman (it is unfortunate). We need to look at Kenyans as Kenyans, because if you make it through a list of 117 to 65 then to nine you must have something to offer as a Kenyan.”
Midiwo added; “We will live to fight for our friend another day.”Now people do not say such things when they are winning, do they?
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Post by morimax on Jun 1, 2012 8:58:48 GMT 3
mwalimumkuu,I see you are having a bad day so I am not going to waste too much time. In this battle your boys walked away empty handed. They just didn't have the vote. There is nothing to quibble endlessly about here. As to the new parliamentary agenda of Mudavadi and Ruto regarding ODM we have heard that before. We have been told about " we have numbers" syndrome a million times. It was those numbers that they promised Kibaki will help them coronate Visram as the CJ and Ruto became a fixture at State House briefly. I wonder what happened there. Anything? So chill out, take the defeat for what it is and move on. There will be another day for chest thumping. Just go slow on the chest next time. We don't want you break your ribs now on lost causes. Better luck next time. Adongo,My friend, you are a very interesting character and very good at twisting and turning everything on its head. Soma hapa, it may help you understand what is going on. www.standardmedia.co.ke/index.php?articleID=2000059118&story_title=%E2%80%98Operation-Stop-Raila%E2%80%99www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/ODM+rivalry+plays+out+in+Eala+elections/-/1064/1417568/-/gl14jn/-/index.htmland please read in between the lines, see for example the number of votes that went to Abisai and figure out why. Meanwhile, here is your brother Midowo crying wolf: But Midiwo’s described the matter as unfortunate; “when people meet in terms of tribe to bring the so called one-of-our-own because he is a Raila man or a Raila woman (it is unfortunate). We need to look at Kenyans as Kenyans, because if you make it through a list of 117 to 65 then to nine you must have something to offer as a Kenyan.”
Midiwo added; “We will live to fight for our friend another day.”Now people do not say such things when they are winning, do they? MwalimuWere there any names outside the nine nominees from ODM? were there any declared URP or UDF member elected from ODM side? Or is it just the Headlines that make giggle? Want to a drum of hot pepper salad over Midiwo's comments? common wake up to your senses.
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Post by mzee on Jun 1, 2012 10:07:33 GMT 3
mwalimumkuu,I see you are having a bad day so I am not going to waste too much time. In this battle your boys walked away empty handed. They just didn't have the vote. There is nothing to quibble endlessly about here. As to the new parliamentary agenda of Mudavadi and Ruto regarding ODM we have heard that before. We have been told about " we have numbers" syndrome a million times. It was those numbers that they promised Kibaki will help them coronate Visram as the CJ and Ruto became a fixture at State House briefly. I wonder what happened there. Anything? So chill out, take the defeat for what it is and move on. There will be another day for chest thumping. Just go slow on the chest next time. We don't want you break your ribs now on lost causes. Better luck next time. Adongo,My friend, you are a very interesting character and very good at twisting and turning everything on its head. Soma hapa, it may help you understand what is going on. www.standardmedia.co.ke/index.php?articleID=2000059118&story_title=%E2%80%98Operation-Stop-Raila%E2%80%99www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/ODM+rivalry+plays+out+in+Eala+elections/-/1064/1417568/-/gl14jn/-/index.htmland please read in between the lines, see for example the number of votes that went to Abisai and figure out why. Meanwhile, here is your brother Midowo crying wolf: But Midiwo�s described the matter as unfortunate; �when people meet in terms of tribe to bring the so called one-of-our-own because he is a Raila man or a Raila woman (it is unfortunate). We need to look at Kenyans as Kenyans, because if you make it through a list of 117 to 65 then to nine you must have something to offer as a Kenyan.�
Midiwo added; �We will live to fight for our friend another day.�Now people do not say such things when they are winning, do they? Mwalimu, Your guys voted for a list already proposed by ODM. I don't see any win for your mob
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Post by falafulani on Jun 1, 2012 14:30:43 GMT 3
When was the last time any political scheme hatched by Ruto et al worked? I remember there was similar chest thumping and threats to the effect that they would reject the IEBC nominees. It would have been an ODM loss if their nominees were rejected, forcing them to re-introduce a new list accommodating Ruto/Musalia interests. As usual, our incompetent compromised journalists are attempting to spin the story with no success. If anything, UDF/URP have been badly exposed as being all hat and no cattle....i.e HOT AIR
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Post by nowayhaha on Jun 1, 2012 16:17:29 GMT 3
How do you win and cry foul later ? See Midiwo accepting that ODM gave in to the demands of URP/UDF . www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/ODM+rivalry+plays+out+in+Eala+elections/-/1064/1417568/-/item/0/-/aed34f/-/index.htmlThe bitter rivalry in ODM played out on Thursday as MPs elected nine members to the regional parliament. The party’s rebel MPs, together with their allies in PNU, lived up to their promise to reject nominees to the East African Legislative Assembly said to be allied to Prime Minister Raila Odinga. Gem MP Jakoyo Midiwo, the party Chief Whip, accused the MPs of practising tribal politics and setting a bad precedent ahead of the next elections. It was the first time the MPs were directly electing their counterparts to the Arusha-based Parliament. The elections were supervised by Speaker Kenneth Marende with National Assembly Clerk Patrick Gichohi as the Returning Officer. Government Chief Whips Midiwo and Johnstone Muthama (PNU), acted as agents. he MPs allied to former ODM deputy leaders William Ruto (Eldoret North) and Deputy Prime Minister Musalia Mudavadi, had met on the eve of Thursday's elections to strategise on how to vote. Although they are technically out of ODM, they had complained that they were not consulted when the party picked its nine nominees. The MPs allied to the United Republican Party (URP) of Mr Ruto and Mr Mudavadi’s United Democratic Forum (UDF) and their friends were accused of plotting the rejection of Mr Ronald Ng’eny, a nominated councillor from Bomet and Mr Odinga’s ally. They were also accused of scheming to reject the nomination of Mr Peter Odoyo, a former Nyakach MP. “There is no need to vote down somebody just because he is presumed to be a Raila person,” said Mr Midiwo soon after the results were announced.
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Post by nowayhaha on Jun 1, 2012 16:28:22 GMT 3
More in the corridors of power the-star.co.ke/national/corridors-of-power/78283-corridors-of-powerThe rift between Prime Minister Raila Odinga and MPs from the Rift Valley was yesterday at play in the discussions for the nominees to the East Africa Legislative Assembly. The MPs ganged up to reject a nominee from the region claiming that if he was accepted, Prime Minister Raila Odinga would take the credit and it would gain him some support in the region.
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Post by adongo23456 on Jun 1, 2012 16:47:50 GMT 3
More in the corridors of power the-star.co.ke/national/corridors-of-power/78283-corridors-of-powerThe rift between Prime Minister Raila Odinga and MPs from the Rift Valley was yesterday at play in the discussions for the nominees to the East Africa Legislative Assembly. The MPs ganged up to reject a nominee from the region claiming that if he was accepted, Prime Minister Raila Odinga would take the credit and it would gain him some support in the region. hehehehehhe. Let me try to get this. So Ruto who claims to be the chief of Kalenjins gangs up with Mudavadi to make sure that a Kalenjin does not get elected to the EALA because if a Kalenjin is elected then Raila will gain some support among the Kalenjins. Is this really how to lead Kalenjins? Make sure they do not get anything because if they do others will gain support? Really? And how do Kalenjins feel about that? How does it feel to have a leader who would rather see you dead than get anything because that will make other people popular among Kalenjins. If this is not a retarded form of leadership, I don't know what is. Some of these things can really backfire badly. Let's wait and see. Why did Uhuru and his motley crew not stop the election of Mumbi Ngaru who is a close Raila ally? Because they know it is stupid and counter productive to kick your own folks in the teeth for fun to try to hurt Raila. But Ruto's tantrums know no bounds. That is what is bringing him down before our very eyes. Aendelee ivyo ivyo.
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Post by tnk on Jun 1, 2012 18:06:57 GMT 3
More in the corridors of power the-star.co.ke/national/corridors-of-power/78283-corridors-of-powerThe rift between Prime Minister Raila Odinga and MPs from the Rift Valley was yesterday at play in the discussions for the nominees to the East Africa Legislative Assembly. The MPs ganged up to reject a nominee from the region claiming that if he was accepted, Prime Minister Raila Odinga would take the credit and it would gain him some support in the region. hehehehehhe. Let me try to get this. So Ruto who claims to be the chief of Kalenjins gangs up with Mudavadi to make sure that a Kalenjin does not get elected to the EALA because if a Kalenjin is elected then Raila will gain some support among the Kalenjins. Is this really how to lead Kalenjins? Make sure they do not get anything because if they do others will gain support? Really? And how do Kalenjins feel about that? How does it feel to have a leader who would rather see you dead than get anything because that will make other people popular among Kalenjins. If this is not a retarded form of leadership, I don't know what is. Some of these things can really backfire badly. Let's wait and see. Why did Uhuru and his motley crew not stop the election of Mumbi Ngaru who is a close Raila ally? Because they know it is stupid and counter productive to kick your own folks in the teeth for fun to try to hurt Raila. But Ruto's tantrums know no bounds. That is what is bringing him down before our very eyes. Aendelee ivyo ivyo. you nailed it. also called juve behaviour and amazingly there are those cheering this from what i read, ruto and mudavadi could not alter that list without ruffling feathers in their own backyards put another way, the ODM list was all inclusive and well thought out, everything else is just chatter but for dramatic effect they picked on one name to make noise about. tut tut children ......
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Jun 1, 2012 18:29:39 GMT 3
hehehehehhe. Let me try to get this. So Ruto who claims to be the chief of Kalenjins gangs up with Mudavadi to make sure that a Kalenjin does not get elected to the EALA because if a Kalenjin is elected then Raila will gain some support among the Kalenjins. Is this really how to lead Kalenjins? Make sure they do not get anything because if they do others will gain support? Really? And how do Kalenjins feel about that? How does it feel to have a leader who would rather see you dead than get anything because that will make other people popular among Kalenjins. If this is not a retarded form of leadership, I don't know what is. Some of these things can really backfire badly. Let's wait and see. Why did Uhuru and his motley crew not stop the election of Mumbi Ngaru who is a close Raila ally? Because they know it is stupid and counter productive to kick your own folks in the teeth for fun to try to hurt Raila. But Ruto's tantrums know no bounds. That is what is bringing him down before our very eyes. Aendelee ivyo ivyo. you nailed it. also called juve behaviour and amazingly there are those cheering this from what i read, ruto and mudavadi could not alter that list without ruffling feathers in their own backyards put another way, the ODM list was all inclusive and well thought out, everything else is just chatter but for dramatic effect they picked on one name to make noise about. tut tut children ...... That was a good race, well run and won. Next on, the NHIF thieves.
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