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Post by boyengo on May 21, 2012 16:26:17 GMT 3
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Post by adongo23456 on May 21, 2012 17:08:24 GMT 3
Ruto knows exactly what he shouldl do to get URP members nominated. Resign your seats and go to by-elections and if you win 50 seats as URP legislators you are entitled to your slots you don't to make noise and issue empty threats. Folks do not want to go for elections but they want to be recognised as URP M.Ps. That is rubbish.
Ruto's threat of shooting down the list is an empty threat. PNU will get their nominations and Ruto telling them to help him block the process unless ODM bribes Ruto is going to fall on deaf ears. The slots are not voted on individually. If majority of the M.Ps accept the list, Ruto cannot block using only URP M.Ps.
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Post by tactician on May 21, 2012 17:48:09 GMT 3
Ruto knows exactly what he shouldl do to get URP members nominated. Resign your seats and go to by-elections and if you win 50 seats as URP legislators you are entitled to your slots you don't to make noise and issue empty threats. Folks do not want to go for elections but they want to be recognised as URP M.Ps. That is rubbish. Ruto's threat of shooting down the list is an empty threat. PNU will get their nominations and Ruto telling them to help him block the process unless ODM bribes Ruto is going to fall on deaf ears. The slots are not voted on individually. If majority of the M.Ps accept the list, Ruto cannot block using only URP M.Ps. Isn't this the same argument that we had in 2007 when appointing members to ECK? ODM wanted to be consulted in the appointment of commissioners yet they had not resigned from NARC. Just as LDP was demanding consultation on appointment of ministers yet they had been elected on NARC. The world does truly go round |
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Post by mzee on May 21, 2012 17:51:20 GMT 3
Ruto just wants to pick up a fight with ODM. Perhaps they don't have any ideas to sell to wanainchi
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Post by mintos on May 21, 2012 18:13:31 GMT 3
Ruto knows exactly what he shouldl do to get URP members nominated. Resign your seats and go to by-elections and if you win 50 seats as URP legislators you are entitled to your slots you don't to make noise and issue empty threats. Folks do not want to go for elections but they want to be recognised as URP M.Ps. That is rubbish. Ruto's threat of shooting down the list is an empty threat. PNU will get their nominations and Ruto telling them to help him block the process unless ODM bribes Ruto is going to fall on deaf ears. The slots are not voted on individually. If majority of the M.Ps accept the list, Ruto cannot block using only URP M.Ps. Isn't this the same argument that we had in 2007 when appointing members to ECK? ODM wanted to be consulted in the appointment of commissioners yet they had not resigned from NARC. Just as LDP was demanding consultation on appointment of ministers yet they had been elected on NARC. The world does truly go round Nope, its a different scenario now. URP is not recognized in parliament. Speaker knows only PNU, Kaddu, and ODM. By law(though yet to be enforced) the URP brigade have already defected from ODM. They've declared as much. As for ECK in 2007, at that time Martha told Obako to ignore the 1997 IPPG agreement as prezident at that time had sole powers to appoint electoral comissioners and that is what he did. Here we talking of EALA, and it is only parties in current parliaments in the EAC that will decide who will be their reps in EALA. |
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Post by tactician on May 21, 2012 19:44:53 GMT 3
Isn't this the same argument that we had in 2007 when appointing members to ECK? ODM wanted to be consulted in the appointment of commissioners yet they had not resigned from NARC. Just as LDP was demanding consultation on appointment of ministers yet they had been elected on NARC. The world does truly go round Nope, its a different scenario now. URP is not recognized in parliament. Speaker knows only PNU, Kaddu, and ODM. By law(though yet to be enforced) the URP brigade have already defected from ODM. They've declared as much. As for ECK in 2007, at that time Martha told Obako to ignore the 1997 IPPG agreement as prezident at that time had sole powers to appoint electoral comissioners and that is what he did. Here we talking of EALA, and it is only parties in current parliaments in the EAC that will decide who will be their reps in EALA. Using your own words, by law, there was no IPPG agreement. It was non-existent. and what about LDP complaining that they were short changed in cabinet? |
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Post by nowayhaha on May 21, 2012 20:04:37 GMT 3
Tactitian,
Lets see how this will transpire - Let URP test the waters and see if they will get support from UDF ,TNA ,Narc-Kenya New Fork Kenya- This actually could lead to a vote of no confidence of PM just for the shows and just like in 2002 could bring unity to the disgruntled parties and trounce Raila in the upcoming G.E. just like MOI in 2002.
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Post by kamalet on May 21, 2012 20:26:52 GMT 3
For all intents and purposes, Ruto and his gang sit in parliament as ODM members and they are within their rights to make noise about how the party finally nominates members from its side of the coalition. Will not be any different to the anticipated noise by Karua and her NARC!
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Post by boyengo on May 21, 2012 21:19:29 GMT 3
If my memory serves me well,Ruto and his c ronies claimed that they left the ODM house many years ago and according to him "tulibeba virago zetu zote".I wait to see also the Musalia wing making similiar demands!!Interesting times ahead indeed!!
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Post by subsaharanite on May 21, 2012 22:48:34 GMT 3
Ruto has run out of issues to talk on.
Raila, you are at liberty to nominate anybody you so wish. After all these are political appointments. You should appoint people who only articulate your agenda no matter how mundane it is. Apparently, Ruto and his clique do not fall in this category.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on May 21, 2012 23:30:04 GMT 3
This is long overdue. The PM has been living on borrowed time and now is the time to remind him just that. For too long, Ruto and co have allowed the PM a free ride despite the fact that the nusu mkia thing was a shared venture, and his shares were no more than those of the other investors.
Like the mzee kobe who traveled for a party up in the skies on borrowed feathers, Raila forget himself and became too selfish and arrogant, now is the time for each bird to demand their feathers and fly back home to wait for the painful and heavy fall of the mzee. What a sad ending for this man?
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Post by adongo23456 on May 22, 2012 0:09:11 GMT 3
This is long overdue. The PM has been living on borrowed time and now is the time to remind him just that. For too long, Ruto and co have allowed the PM a free ride despite the fact that the nusu mkia thing was a shared venture, and his shares were no more than those of the other investors. Like the mzee kobe who traveled for a party up in the skies on borrowed feathers, Raila forget himself and became too selfish and arrogant, now is the time for each bird to demand their feathers and fly back home to wait for the painful and heavy fall of the mzee. What a sad ending for this man? hehehehehee. Another demise for Raila is in the offing. Really? This time there will be a vote of no confidence on the PM. There is delusional and then there is this kind of stuff. Oh dear! |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on May 22, 2012 0:35:51 GMT 3
This is long overdue. The PM has been living on borrowed time and now is the time to remind him just that. For too long, Ruto and co have allowed the PM a free ride despite the fact that the nusu mkia thing was a shared venture, and his shares were no more than those of the other investors. Like the mzee kobe who traveled for a party up in the skies on borrowed feathers, Raila forget himself and became too selfish and arrogant, now is the time for each bird to demand their feathers and fly back home to wait for the painful and heavy fall of the mzee. What a sad ending for this man? hehehehehee. Another demise for Raila is in the offing. Really? This time there will be a vote of no confidence on the PM. There is delusional and then there is this kind of stuff. Oh dear! No Adongo, no one is interested in your man's job, that's not what Ruto is saying. When a man is down, you don't need to keep kicking him. What these guys are saying is that each one of them will have their fair share and there are no two ways to it. |
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Post by adongo23456 on May 22, 2012 0:54:51 GMT 3
hehehehehee. Another demise for Raila is in the offing. Really? This time there will be a vote of no confidence on the PM. There is delusional and then there is this kind of stuff. Oh dear! No Adongo, no one is interested in your man's job, that's not what Ruto is saying. When a man is down, you don't need to keep kicking him. What these guys are saying is that each one of them will have their fair share and there are no two ways to it. Seriously I think Ruto has more important things to deal with rather these EALA petty fights. If Ruto wants his party recognized he needs to get a little courage and face the voters so that they can actually have URP legislators in parliament. Since he has no guts to do that he is wasting his time. Ruto is coming to terms with the fact that just like Mudavadi he is out of the big picture. The G7 nonsense is now formally dead. Ruto's ticket in the presidential race will not make it anywhere meaning Ruto will face retirement and face The Hague as raia. An Uhuru Ruto ticket is nowhere in the cards. It is just too toxic. Where exactly does Ruto go from here? These side shows are useless for him. If my house is on fire, I am not wasting time sitting under a tree trying to remove a thorn from my foot. I am running to go save the house first then I can think about the thorn. |
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Post by OtishOtish on May 22, 2012 3:30:27 GMT 3
No Adongo, no one is interested in your man's job, that's not what Ruto is saying. When a man is down, you don't need to keep kicking him. What these guys are saying is that each one of them will have their fair share and there are no two ways to it. As a matter of fact, the best time to kick a man is when he's down---the simple reason being that he is not in a position to do much about it. ODM is not a coalition that includes URP as partner. So, on what basis are they demanding a fair share? If they are in ODM, then they are just kawaida members of ODM, and nothing special needs to be done. If they are asking as members of URP, then, again, nothing needs to be done about it, because it is an ODM matter. |
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Post by morimax on May 22, 2012 8:05:44 GMT 3
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Post by jakaswanga on May 22, 2012 22:34:49 GMT 3
If my memory serves me well,Ruto and his c ronies claimed that they left the ODM house many years ago and according to him "tulibeba virago zetu zote".I wait to see also the Musalia wing making similiar demands!!Interesting times ahead indeed!! Boyengo, You are right when you quote those words of Ruto and his cronies, but then again like in the world where there are as many truths as lies ... Technically speaking, I am informed William Ruto is still the ODM MP for Eldoret North! and is registered as such in Parliament! Practically speaking, in his own words as you quote, he left ages ago. That difference is a confusion where teams of lawyers can make a lot of money out of, when one side wants to resolve it once and for all. But I think push wont come to shove. This is ritualized combat.. ---------I muse ... There used to be a series called stranger than fiction in the standard newspaper. And the antics of our politicians do mostly remind me of this title. What is most stranger than fiction to me, is that there does not seem to be consequences to any action a politician takes. That is quite a world. The problem is, it is a neo natal unit --an artificial disease free environment only possible in the intensive care department. A breath of natural fresh air, and the baby is lost! More than 100 Mpigs have {somehow} abandoned the parties that sponsored them to parliament. Most have worked tirelessly in the open to undermine the mother party. Breaking statutory rules. They have registered new parties and sworn loyalty to them and their new patrons, sometimes with the bible in hand! [Does not mean much in Kenya, but still a good piece of evidence]. But here are the ex ODM crowd especially, still demanding perks associated with the jilted party [which they are still officially in!] --When the law has no meaning a country enters such mazes. It is a situation not easy to explain to external observers ---if so many parliamentarians change loyalty mid course, the sensible thing could be to seek a new mandate for the whole parliament-- other than by the customary silliness of African politicians. The silliness which also explains the bottom positions African countries monopolize on every modern indicator, even sports! But a new mandate is not the whole story. This thing called NARA is the dead weight. I can see the sense in the reasoning that if Raila is PM by virtue of official ODM seats in parliament, then the declaration of those seats empty needs a re-think of his position, and too, that of that of Kibaki with whom he is is effectively a conjoined twin. He goes Kibaki goes. Of course Kibaki could and would try to stay, even by bribery, but the backlash would be horrible. [See him limp toward organizing the next elections ALONE! The nation would go down!]. So behind the scenes, regardless of our going east in public, some very old hands from around the globe are forcing the duo to make do until the elections. But in that stalemate between the parents, the kids will be rowdy, unruly and have fun terrorizing the neighbourhood! But is is a script which is not their own. The parties, owned by others and having no mechanism to enforce discipline, must meet in the dark and share the spoils. Otherwise the intelligent thing to do is wait for the next elections before filling those EALA seats. |
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Post by nowayhaha on May 27, 2012 14:22:56 GMT 3
www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/ODM+on+the+spot+over+EALA+nominees/-/1064/1414364/-/ia35djz/-/index.htmlODM on the spot over EALA nominees Eldoret North MP William Ruto has dared the Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) to debate in Parliament the list of its East African Legislative Assembly (EALA) nominees. Mr Ruto said the list will be shot down at the floor of the House if ODM presents it in its current state. “We want to solve the situation amicably. We don’t want controversies but if they don’t correct that list, then we will meet in Parliament,” Mr Ruto said. Speaking at a public rally in Mauche, Molo Constituency, Mr Ruto said that ODM benefited from the original list, therefore, his group should have been consulted. Accompanied by 10 MPs, Ruto said that it was their Constitutional right to nominate Legislators to EALA. "The law is very clear and we want what belongs to us," he said. “They kicked us out but they are now using our names because they will benefit. We left that party but they should know that we have our rights there because we built it,” he added. Ruto, who addressed a series of public rallies in Nakuru County over the weekend accused PM Raila Odinga of double standards. He said that the PM should be prepared for defeat noting that G-7 will win the General Election. Share This Story Share Moyale MP Mohammed Ali said PM Odinga no longer held majority in Parliament following the departures of Deputy Prime Minister Musalia Mudavadi and Mr William Ruto from the party. “He is now a minority but we are giving him until Tuesday to bring the correct list,” he said. ODM, which has five slots in the regional assembly, submitted nine names. Those nominated are allies of Mr Odinga. On its part, PNU submitted 12 names. Mr Ali further claimed that Mau forest evictees had been dumped at Chemusian Farm in Eldoret where the government acquired alternative land for them. He urged Lands Minister James Orengo to remove the caveat placed on title deeds in Mau saying that it was illegal and unfair. “The title deeds are legal documents and these people have a right to it,” he said.
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Post by adongo23456 on May 27, 2012 15:30:28 GMT 3
www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/ODM+on+the+spot+over+EALA+nominees/-/1064/1414364/-/ia35djz/-/index.htmlODM on the spot over EALA nominees Eldoret North MP William Ruto has dared the Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) to debate in Parliament the list of its East African Legislative Assembly (EALA) nominees. Mr Ruto said the list will be shot down at the floor of the House if ODM presents it in its current state. “We want to solve the situation amicably. We don’t want controversies but if they don’t correct that list, then we will meet in Parliament,” Mr Ruto said. Speaking at a public rally in Mauche, Molo Constituency, Mr Ruto said that ODM benefited from the original list, therefore, his group should have been consulted. Accompanied by 10 MPs, Ruto said that it was their Constitutional right to nominate Legislators to EALA. "The law is very clear and we want what belongs to us," he said. “They kicked us out but they are now using our names because they will benefit. We left that party but they should know that we have our rights there because we built it,” he added. Ruto, who addressed a series of public rallies in Nakuru County over the weekend accused PM Raila Odinga of double standards. He said that the PM should be prepared for defeat noting that G-7 will win the General Election. Share This Story Share Moyale MP Mohammed Ali said PM Odinga no longer held majority in Parliament following the departures of Deputy Prime Minister Musalia Mudavadi and Mr William Ruto from the party. “He is now a minority but we are giving him until Tuesday to bring the correct list,” he said. ODM, which has five slots in the regional assembly, submitted nine names. Those nominated are allies of Mr Odinga. On its part, PNU submitted 12 names. Mr Ali further claimed that Mau forest evictees had been dumped at Chemusian Farm in Eldoret where the government acquired alternative land for them. He urged Lands Minister James Orengo to remove the caveat placed on title deeds in Mau saying that it was illegal and unfair. “The title deeds are legal documents and these people have a right to it,” he said. Ruto is still holding rallies to talk about Raila? Isn't that getting a little tired now. Kenya has 9 seats in EALA. Even in the best of circumstances Ruto and his toys gets one seat. What difference does that make? Of course for Ruto anything to talk about Raila and throw a few tantrums about the man is all that is left for him. How useless is that! |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on May 27, 2012 15:59:16 GMT 3
ODM is being very selfish andl insincere here. At best, Raila has only 50 MPs if not less, why would he want to take all the five slots allocated to the party. If you do your math, Raila wing of ODM should get 2 slots, Ruto 2 and Mudavadi 1. That is the only and most mature way to solve this problem.
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Post by OtishOtish on May 27, 2012 16:46:30 GMT 3
ODM is being very selfish andl insincere here. At best, Raila has only 50 MPs if not less, why would he want to take all the five slots allocated to the party. If you do your math, Raila wing of ODM should get 2 slots, Ruto 2 and Mudavadi 1. That is the only and most mature way to solve this problem. And what would be the rationale for allocating according to "wings"? If ODM gets a certain number of seats on a "party" basis, then it makes sense that those who have shown their worth to the party should be given priority. Why should those who are working hard to undermine the party be given seats on the basis that they belong to the same party? |
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Post by nereah on May 27, 2012 17:02:36 GMT 3
ODM is being very selfish andl insincere here. At best, Raila has only 50 MPs if not less, why would he want to take all the five slots allocated to the party. If you do your math, Raila wing of ODM should get 2 slots, Ruto 2 and Mudavadi 1. That is the only and most mature way to solve this problem. ;D i wont let you get away with this one.yes i am pricked to the quick and....tell you what? i, nereah of amadi, take a break from jukwaa for as long as you declare if you can authoritatively prove here and right now that ODM is a minority party.
lets go a little deeper, provide jukwaa with a credible/legitimate breakdown of 99 ODM members of parliament and their loyalties with a rider of proven allegiance(source).
if you are right then i am out of jukwaa for your desired duration and if you wont/cant prove, then you have to eat those words up there.
are you game? |
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Post by tnk on May 27, 2012 19:35:25 GMT 3
ODM is being very selfish andl insincere here. At best, Raila has only 50 MPs if not less, why would he want to take all the five slots allocated to the party. If you do your math, Raila wing of ODM should get 2 slots, Ruto 2 and Mudavadi 1. That is the only and most mature way to solve this problem. ruto and mudavadi are (still) members of ODM, so ODM can choose whoever it so wishes. adongo said this already, if ruto and mudavadi want slots for URP and UDF, they and their supporters need to come back to parliament with their respective parties |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on May 27, 2012 21:28:15 GMT 3
ODM is being very selfish andl insincere here. At best, Raila has only 50 MPs if not less, why would he want to take all the five slots allocated to the party. If you do your math, Raila wing of ODM should get 2 slots, Ruto 2 and Mudavadi 1. That is the only and most mature way to solve this problem. so ODM can choose whoever it so wishes. adongo said this already, if ruto and mudavadi want slots for URP and UDF, they and their supporters need to come back to parliament with their respective parties Precisely why Ruto and Mudavadi must be consulted, they are shareholders and their input must be taken into consideration. Not unless you both mean that ODM is Raila and Raila alone. |
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Post by OtishOtish on May 27, 2012 21:38:50 GMT 3
ruto and mudavadi are (still) members of ODM, so ODM can choose whoever it so wishes. adongo said this already, if ruto and mudavadi want slots for URP and UDF, they and their supporters need to come back to parliament with their respective parties Precisely why Ruto and Mudavadi must be consulted, they are shareholders and their input must be taken into consideration. Not unless you both mean that ODM is Raila and Raila alone. They are members of ODM but have clearly shown that they do not have that party's interests at heart; they are in fact putting all their energies into other parties and doing what they can to attack and undermine the leadership of ODM. (One of them is even claiming that ODM's seats be given to another party that he is working with!) That is precisely why they must not be consulted on any ODM matters, regardless of their nominal membership of ODM. And ignoring them is exactly what will happen. Case closed. NEXT! |
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