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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2012 10:17:05 GMT 3
Kathure; This thread is about Miguna , his book, the launch and what people are saying about it. So what Miguna wrote, what Oloo, RR and others write and do in relation to this topic is kosher. But here we are not discussing RR and what you feel or think about him. We are also not discussing Kathure. That is why, for instance, I will avoid pointing out the contradictions we see in you daily and your dismal performance as a Jukwaa moderator. You know you could start a topic with the title: ‘Is RR Mediocre or Brilliant?’ ….and you might get some interesting views. roughriderYou go right ahead and start that thread. I'm not afraid of criticism so long as it's constructive. It would have been Ok for you to admit that those anti- Kenyan Indian comments you made were disgusting and revealed your soul. And since you're an ODM operative, I couldn't but wonder if they represent the party's take on Kenyans of Indian origin. I'm not at all off topic. Someone thought that your comments were cleaver and I didn't. So, I set out to demonstrate that your thinking on matters Kenya is generally skewed. And you know what else, I like that you like the words that I like and do pick up some new ones today my African brother!
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Post by roughrider on Jul 16, 2012 10:54:45 GMT 3
Kathure; This thread is about Miguna , his book, the launch and what people are saying about it. So what Miguna wrote, what Oloo, RR and others write and do in relation to this topic is kosher. But here we are not discussing RR and what you feel or think about him. We are also not discussing Kathure. That is why, for instance, I will avoid pointing out the contradictions we see in you daily and your dismal performance as a Jukwaa moderator. You know you could start a topic with the title: ‘Is RR Mediocre or Brilliant?’ ….and you might get some interesting views. roughriderYou go right ahead and start that thread. I'm not afraid of criticism so long as it's constructive. It would have been Ok for you to admit that those anti- Kenyan Indian comments you made were disgusting and revealed your soul. And since you're an ODM operative, I couldn't but wonder if they represent the party's take on Kenyans of Indian origin. I'm not at all off topic. Someone thought that your comments were cleaver and I didn't. So, I set out to demonstrate that your thinking on matters Kenya is generally skewed. And you know what else, I like that you like the words that I like and do pick up some new ones today my African brother! Kathure; With a lot of respect; I do not represent ODM. My views are not ODM views. I am not an 'ODM operative', whatever that means. Please stop speaking about things that you do not know. Whereas you are entitled to your views, they do not belong to this thread.... which you are now derailing. As a moderator, you should know that. You have demonstrated nothing, perhaps except the limits of your own intellect. You are backing up the wrong drive way. I suggest, very politely, that you move on. All the best, RR
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2012 19:59:04 GMT 3
roughriderYou go right ahead and start that thread. I'm not afraid of criticism so long as it's constructive. It would have been Ok for you to admit that those anti- Kenyan Indian comments you made were disgusting and revealed your soul. And since you're an ODM operative, I couldn't but wonder if they represent the party's take on Kenyans of Indian origin. I'm not at all off topic. Someone thought that your comments were cleaver and I didn't. So, I set out to demonstrate that your thinking on matters Kenya is generally skewed. And you know what else, I like that you like the words that I like and do pick up some new ones today my African brother! Kathure; With a lot of respect; I do not represent ODM. My views are not ODM views. I am not an 'ODM operative', whatever that means. Please stop speaking about things that you do not know. Whereas you are entitled to your views, they do not belong to this thread.... which you are now derailing. As a moderator, you should know that. You have demonstrated nothing, perhaps except the limits of your own intellect. You are backing up the wrong drive way. I suggest, very politely, that you move on. All the best, RR roughriderYou still haven't told us why you hate Indians so much. Or why you referred to Tessy's son as being of Indian stock. What the hell is that? The kid is African and Indian. Must be a lovely looking boy. And if you had the ability to make a human flesh of your flesh from 2 tiny winy little cells, how many would you have brought home so far? Or as long as they're not of Indian stock it's Ok? Get over your hypocrisy you guys/fellas!
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Post by Omwenga on Jul 17, 2012 1:37:50 GMT 3
Being so busy I haven’t had much time to follow Miguna’s antics in detail. However, of what I have seen and read, here are a few observations: 1. Thank you Jaber and Omwenga for your perspectives and contributions. Three quarters of what I have read that is mistakenly described by the ‘Daily Nation’ as ‘serial’ could be summarized in the following paragraph: I am a fool blah blah. I am a fool blah blah. I am a fool blah blah. I am a fool blah blah. I am a fool blah blah. I am a fool blah blah. I am a fool blah blah. I am a fool blah blah. I am a fool blah blah. I am a fool blah blah. I am a fool blah blah. I am a fool blah blah. I am a fool blah blah. I am a fool blah blah. I am a fool blah blah. I am a fool blah blah. I am a fool blah blah. I am a fool blah blah. I am a fool blah blah. I am a fool blah blah. We will say more... Quite an interesting take there RR, ;D Here is Sarah Elderkin's take on all of this: Peel back the mask Miguna wears, and get man with delusions and grandeur, www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/-/1064/1455872/-/item/0/-/misyvbz/-/index.htmlSome excepts: I have defended Miguna Miguna in the past, both in print and in private – at least, it was meant to be private, until Miguna broke an undertaking of confidence and made a private communication public. ... Many of us, including Raila Odinga – the object of Miguna’s poisonous wrath, have tried hard to save Miguna in the past. Ultimately, in the Prime Minister’s office, it became impossible to keep Miguna and to protect him from himself. ... In his judgement, [Judge] Warsame made some interesting observations about Miguna. Speaking of his own perceptions (not issues raised by lawyers), Warsame said that Miguna was a man “who exhibits mental and emotional fits in his defence of issues”. He spoke of Miguna as having a “relentless sense of fighting back”, as one “who appears unpredictable and ready to fight”. Warsame added, “He is described as a man living in mental darkroom.” Share This Story 45Share
It is from the turmoil of this “mental darkroom” and out of his “relentless sense of fighting back” that Miguna decided to do his very best to destroy the man for whom he had previously and fervently declared his “love”, and whom he revered.
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During those four-and-a-half years, Miguna was an employee of the Prime Minister’s office for just under 2½ years, having been appointed by President Mwai Kibaki on March 6, 2009.
Six years? Miguna Miguna is a master of exaggeration and fantastical ravings.
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But now an opportunity to escape all that had presented itself. Miguna must have eyed his new acquaintance with Raila Odinga as the chance of a lifetime.
Throughout the following year, while still in Canada, Miguna tried to cement this plan by bombarding Raila with unsolicited and unwanted advice.
This is what Miguna now describes as having been a political strategist for Raila during the period. Knowing Raila, I doubt he ever even read those communications, or had time to give them any of his attention.
Raila Odinga is a consummate political strategist. Why on earth would he need to depend on a man who had been out of the country for 20 years, having run away at the first hint of trouble in 1987 – at the same time as Raila Odinga and many others were undergoing the torturous conditions and life-threatening privations of Kamiti, Shimo la Tewa, Manyani and Naivasha maximum security prisons?
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Miguna vociferously defended Mr Odinga at every turn, including during the disputed 2007 election count, when Miguna was present at KICC – as a volunteer activist, like many others involved in the campaign. Because of his size, his attitude and his brashness, Miguna was always seen and heard. He was difficult to avoid.
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He was, for example, though not yet employed in the Prime Minister’s office, present at coalition talks at Kilaguni in 2008.
To the intense embarrassment of the Prime Minister and the distress of everyone else involved, Miguna took it upon himself (after rearranging the chairs to his satisfaction, as he writes in his book) to circulate an agenda that had not been agreed, and thus virtually singlehandedly drove the last nail into the coffin of the talks.
No one could contain him. People who were present can attest to the severe public dressing-down Miguna got from the Prime Minister at the time. It was only one of many occasions on which the PM would similarly have to rebuke him.
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Miguna Miguna has no brakes. He never knows when to stop. He is loud and large and pushy and intimidating. He is completely insensitive to other people’s reactions to him, and he appears unable to judge where situations require restraint and diplomacy.
Miguna only understands one language – the language of confrontation. He has no idea what it takes to keep a vulnerable political arrangement in place. He would prefer to destroy everything around him, as he has come close to doing so many times, on the excuse of “principle”.
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Miguna’s lack of political wisdom, which in his case is replaced by the equivalent of bludgeoning people over the heads with an axe, is the reason he became a dangerous loose cannon and a terrible liability to both sides of the coalition arrangement.
He arrogated to himself authority he did not have – and this is very evident in his prose. “I did this, I did that, I summoned people to a meeting” – and sometimes “we” did this or that.
Who is this “we”? Miguna’s behaviour ensured he had no friends in the PM’s office or in other arms of government. He simply inserted his unneeded and unwanted presence everywhere, going completely beyond his mandate. He had none of the authority he assumed, nor any of the leadership skills that he pretends in his overblown writing.
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Miguna made a signboard that he erected on his office door: ‘Permanent Secretary’ it declared, among other things. Miguna was nowhere near the level of permanent secretary. He was junior in rank to the PS in the PM’s office, to the PM’s chief of staff and to others. Miguna operates from behind a dense cloud of self-delusion.
He behaved as if he were in charge of everything, everywhere. From his book, if Miguna is to be believed, he was the prime mover, the chairman, the convenor, the secretary, the leader of every single department or committee touching the Prime Minister’s office. This is so far from the truth as to be completely ludicrous.
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By 2011, Miguna had become an onerous liability for the Prime Minister and an overwhelming impediment to the smooth functioning of the PM’s office and to relations with other arms of government. Miguna’s consequent suspension on August 4 came as an enormous relief to many people.
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Miguna has apparently said he detected that the Prime Minister once shed tears. Certainly, injustice can move Raila Odinga emotionally – and we say, thank God he is such a man.
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Mr Miguna’s writings must be seen in their true light. It is the sad light of vengeance – a personal, blinding, hate-filled vengeance of a kind that appears to have characterised so much of Mr Miguna’s life, and which, in his spite and malice against the man who gave him the rarest of opportunities to serve his country, was his guiding spirit in writing this book.
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Post by genius on Jul 17, 2012 10:57:37 GMT 3
Kathure; With a lot of respect; I do not represent ODM. My views are not ODM views. I am not an 'ODM operative', whatever that means. Please stop speaking about things that you do not know. Whereas you are entitled to your views, they do not belong to this thread.... which you are now derailing. As a moderator, you should know that. You have demonstrated nothing, perhaps except the limits of your own intellect. You are backing up the wrong drive way. I suggest, very politely, that you move on. All the best, RR roughriderYou still haven't told us why you hate Indians so much. Or why you referred to Tessy's son as being of Indian stock. What the hell is that? The kid is African and Indian. Must be a lovely looking boy. And if you had the ability to make a human flesh of your flesh from 2 tiny winy little cells, how many would you have brought home so far? Or as long as they're not of Indian stock it's Ok? Get over your hypocrisy you guys/fellas! I think you are being overly melodramatic and quite disingenuous here. The reason Musalia should object to having a half-Indian baby in his house are very obvious. If I had a wife and after 9 months she delivers a baby who is half Indian despite the fact that both my wife and I are very black, that would be a seruous matter. In fact, as the song by Omondi Tony goes, "Siku hiyo nitaua mtu, that day I'll kill somebody." The argument here is not on the baby being Indian, the argument here is that the baby is not his. There is a reason why a lot of men take DNA tests on the children they are supporting. To prove if they are reall ythe fathers.
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Post by Omwenga on Jul 17, 2012 13:26:02 GMT 3
We caught up with Miguna at the airport this morning as he was headed to self-imposed political exile and sought some answers to questions in people’s minds which he not surprisingly attempted to answer: . I predicted that Miguna will be headed out of Kenya the morning after the disappointing book launch to avoid any manner of backlash against him, including lawsuits but I am surprised it took him a couple of days longer. Miguna leaves Kenya amid Raila book furore, www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Miguna+leaves+Kenya+amid+Raila+book+furore/-/1064/1456294/-/b5jxfj/-/index.htmlMiguna Miguna has left the country amid a furore raised by his controversial book on Prime Minister Raila Odinga. Mr Miguna and his family left for Canada Monday night. The Kenya Airport Police Unit said Mr Miguna, his wife and three children boarded their flight around 11pm at the Jomo Kenyatta International Airport. "He (Miguna) carried a lot of luggage," an officer said. His departure comes just a day after the Director of Public Prosecutions wanted Mr Miguna questioned on claims he had evidence on Kenya’s post-election violence. Mr Miguna had on Saturday, during the launch of his book, Peeling Back the Mask, said he was privy to the ODM campaign strategies and was present when the party declared that the 2007 General Election was a contest of 41 tribes against one. “I can take every leader to The Hague, they should actually kiss my feet... They actually begged me to go back to office when they knew that I could spill the beans,” he said in Nairobi. Responding to DPP Keriako Tobiko’s order, Mr Miguna said: “Does Tobiko or Iteere (Police Commissioner) work for the ICC? How does he know I haven’t spoken with the ICC? Jokers! That’s all I can say for now!”
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Post by podp on Jul 17, 2012 19:06:30 GMT 3
reporter911,
Have little interest in books on Obama even though I know his father was Kenyan. However this Peeling Back the Mask is fascinating because it is written by a Kenyan who is telling us about people many of us know and raising issue dear to us. If Obama has a Kenyan or USA birth certificate is neither of interest to me but maybe fire to you.
I like Maina Njega and the late Wanjiru's wife because the two i.e. Maina Njenga and his new love, they both skipped the middle-class. Straight from the wretched to feudal lordship. Former Mrs. Samuel Wanjiru is still trying to figure out what hit her/how come she keeps falling into riches. Njenga is a scheming power-consolidator who managed to organize power from thousands of desperately poor youth. The powerful feudal lords schemed him out, making a millionaire out of him in exchange for use of his power-base (Mungiki). Now he's counter-scheming his way to real political power.
A lady friend wrote 'The challenge is for those with a true reformist spirit to shoosh this Miguna peacock off-stage and reload the same message over and over again until we sweep Kenya clean of all lords of impunity.'
So now I am going to Chapter 6 in Book 3 and now I fully can appreciate the mob Kamalet said elsewhere. MM has not so nice things to say about RAO and that must hurt for a worshipper of idols. Cannot blame you.
Where is b6k we continue with our better exchanges, but please focus 'The challenge is for those with a true reformist spirit to shoosh this Miguna peacock off-stage and reload the same message over and over again until we sweep Kenya clean of all lords of impunity.'
I know it is hard with a temple (country Kenya) with no god (RAO) but many satans (MM and all those others)
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Post by b6k on Jul 17, 2012 19:51:20 GMT 3
reporter911, Have little interest in books on Obama even though I know his father was Kenyan. However this Peeling Back the Mask is fascinating because it is written by a Kenyan who is telling us about people many of us know and raising issue dear to us. If Obama has a Kenyan or USA birth certificate is neither of interest to me but maybe fire to you. I like Maina Njega and the late Wanjiru's wife because the two i.e. Maina Njenga and his new love, they both skipped the middle-class. Straight from the wretched to feudal lordship. Former Mrs. Samuel Wanjiru is still trying to figure out what hit her/how come she keeps falling into riches. Njenga is a scheming power-consolidator who managed to organize power from thousands of desperately poor youth. The powerful feudal lords schemed him out, making a millionaire out of him in exchange for use of his power-base (Mungiki). Now he's counter-scheming his way to real political power. A lady friend wrote 'The challenge is for those with a true reformist spirit to shoosh this Miguna peacock off-stage and reload the same message over and over again until we sweep Kenya clean of all lords of impunity.' So now I am going to Chapter 6 in Book 3 and now I fully can appreciate the mob Kamalet said elsewhere. MM has not so nice things to say about RAO and that must hurt for a worshipper of idols. Cannot blame you. Where is b6k we continue with our better exchanges, but please focus 'The challenge is for those with a true reformist spirit to shoosh this Miguna peacock off-stage and reload the same message over and over again until we sweep Kenya clean of all lords of impunity.' I know it is hard with a temple (country Kenya) with no god (RAO) but many satans (MM and all those others) Podp, if the rantings & ravings of the Miguna peacock will rid KE of the tin god who preaches change yet embodies business as usual, so mote it be. Even our moderator has finally had the scales peeled from her eyes & can see that sometimes the change you anticipate is far from what you expect. Some of us have been alive to the fact since PEV.
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