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Post by reporter911 on Oct 2, 2012 18:53:38 GMT 3
Omwenga: I hope and would like to believe that you did not eat clients' money or engage in other gross misconduct. If you have done any wrong, then I trust that you will make or have made apologies and amends to the people involved. That being so, I sincerely wish you the best outcome in the pending federal-court case and hope both your reputation and the right to practice your chosen profession will be restored. A couple of other things: * Go to any gathering of Kenyans in your Abroad city. There, over nyama choma and beer, you will compatriots sucking up to the person who has done well and taking delight of the new woes of the person they were sucking up to last week. It seems to be human nature, made worse in close-knit communities (as as those of immigrants), that people take delight in seeing another "cut down at the knees". Even here on Jukwaa, you might notice that "X has been thrown out of Jukwaa" announcements get a lot of hits. So expect some Jukwaaists to keep milking this one, and my advice is that you just let it go. * Regardless of your issues with this Warsama guy, what you have written here about him consists of astonishing filth and ugliness. I was embarrassed to read it, and I don't even know they guy; never even heard of him until this thread. That's sort of thing keeps some Kenyan forums going 24/7, but here? Considering your normally reasoned or well-written posts, I was disappointed that you stooped so low. BUT IF OMWENGA STATED FACTS? WHAT IS THE BEEF? UNLESS SOME MEMBERS HERE ARE CONNECTED TO WARSAMA AND ARE INVOLVED IN SOME SINISTER HIDDEN MOTIVES? WHY SCREAM WHEN HIS NAME IS MENTIONED? KWANI?
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Post by OtishOtish on Oct 2, 2012 19:00:15 GMT 3
BUT IF OMWENGA STATED FACTS? WHAT IS THE BEEF? UNLESS SOME MEMBERS HERE ARE CONNECTED TO WARSAMA AND ARE INVOLVED IN SOME SINISTER HIDDEN MOTIVES? WHY SCREAM WHEN HIS NAME IS MENTIONED? KWANI? That was one adult writing to another adult. Please go play outside.
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Post by Omwenga on Oct 2, 2012 19:00:55 GMT 3
Omwenga: I hope and would like to believe that you did not eat clients' money or engage in other gross misconduct. If you have done any wrong, then I trust that you will make or have made apologies and amends to the people involved. That being so, I sincerely wish you the best outcome in the pending federal-court case and hope both your reputation and the right to practice your chosen profession will be restored. A couple of other things: * Go to any gathering of Kenyans in your Abroad city. There, over nyama choma and beer, you will compatriots sucking up to the person who has done well and taking delight of the new woes of the person they were sucking up to last week. It seems to be human nature, made worse in close-knit communities (as as those of immigrants), that people take delight in seeing another "cut down at the knees". Even here on Jukwaa, you might notice that "X has been thrown out of Jukwaa" announcements get a lot of hits. So expect some Jukwaaists to keep milking this one, and my advice is that you just let it go. * Regardless of your issues with this Warsama guy, what you have written here about him consists of astonishing filth and ugliness. I was embarrassed to read it, and I don't even know they guy; never even heard of him until this thread. That's sort of thing keeps some Kenyan forums going 24/7, but here? Considering your normally reasoned or well-written posts, I was disappointed that you stooped so low. Otishotish,With all due respect, and I must say I have always had a lot for you, you have either not read or read but don't understand what I have said, which is surprising, given the level of intellect I assume you possess. There is no way you can read what I have said and then come back to post the nonsense that you hope I have not "eaten" client's money. I have not, never have and you have no basis to assume that I have unless you're trying to join the bandwagon of those defaming me or trying to. Anyone who knows me and there are hundreds on the Internet will tell you people stand and bow when I enter a joint because they know they need not spend money and often that's everyone there, including total strangers. I have a record of settling a USD35,000 bill between yours truly and two other individuals who brought Dany Engobo to the US and footed the whole bill guaranteed to the hotel when people who were supposed to show up for a conference on the same weekend did not show up and when they showed up, they did not want to buy drinks so we just decided to foot the bill and have them a good party, which they did the classic suckers they are. So I know something about suckers and need not be told about what to do with them. Anyone expecting to "milk" this issue will be sadly disappointed but your counsel is well taken. Finally, regarding the moron Warsama, I stand by what I have posted even though it was dragged here by his fellow hater. Everything I have stated is fact even he has never denied. The only thing he complained about after reading this is that I should say he gets paid Kshs10,000, not 100 bob and I so stand corrected. Everything else is fact and if you think you know more than he does; he who has conceded every one of the facts, then this tells us more about you than what you have pontificated here.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Oct 2, 2012 19:02:33 GMT 3
Omwenga: * Regardless of your issues with this Warsama guy, what you have written here about him consists of astonishing filth and ugliness. I was embarrassed to read it, and I don't even know they guy; never even heard of him until this thread. That's sort of thing keeps some Kenyan forums going 24/7, but here? Considering your normally reasoned or well-written posts, I was disappointed that you stooped so low. Although not very far from Omwenga in very many respects, you have been candid enough to remind him of what we expect of him. Hongera.
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Post by reporter911 on Oct 2, 2012 19:03:35 GMT 3
BUT IF OMWENGA STATED FACTS? WHAT IS THE BEEF? UNLESS SOME MEMBERS HERE ARE CONNECTED TO WARSAMA AND ARE INVOLVED IN SOME SINISTER HIDDEN MOTIVES? WHY SCREAM WHEN HIS NAME IS MENTIONED? KWANI? That was one adult writing to another adult. Please go play outside. a simple question comes back with a back handed insult? and you call this adult? maybe adult still in diapers.. go change.. I didn't insult you I asked a valid question what the beef is all about in regards to what Owenga penned about Warsama.. so if you want to come back with matusi so be it..
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Post by reporter911 on Oct 2, 2012 19:05:38 GMT 3
Omwenga: * Regardless of your issues with this Warsama guy, what you have written here about him consists of astonishing filth and ugliness. I was embarrassed to read it, and I don't even know they guy; never even heard of him until this thread. That's sort of thing keeps some Kenyan forums going 24/7, but here? Considering your normally reasoned or well-written posts, I was disappointed that you stooped so low. Although not very far from Omwenga in very many respects, you have been candid enough to remind him of what we expect of him. Hongera. Waaow! what utter nonsense a misplaced praise ;D ;D what a joke.. lets see more praises for people who are trying to hit hard at Omwenga .. back handed attacks are still back handed from some hiding behind polite masks..
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Post by OtishOtish on Oct 2, 2012 19:12:27 GMT 3
There is no way you can read what I have said and then come back to post the nonsense that you hope I have not "eaten" client's money. I have not, never have and you have no basis to assume that I have unless you're trying to join the bandwagon of those defaming me or trying to. Omwenga: You misunderstand me. There no doubt exist relevant paperwork that I could look up in relation to these allegations, but I simply don't care to, nor do I have the time to. Did you eat cleints' money? I don't know. What's more, I don't care to know one way or another. That being so, all I can say is that I hope you didn't, which is very different from assuming that you did. Regarding Warsama: even if everything you wrote is factual, it is still filthy, ugly, and probably doesn't belong here. Pooping in his diapers?
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Post by Omwenga on Oct 2, 2012 19:14:19 GMT 3
Although not very far from Omwenga in very many respects, you have been candid enough to remind him of what we expect of him. Hongera. Waaow! what utter nonsense a misplaced praise ;D ;D what a joke.. lets see more praises for people who are trying to hit hard at Omwenga .. back handed attacks are still back handed from some hiding behind polite masks.. Thanks R911 for coming to my defense. It's times like this you count your friends, enemies and those in between which you are better off assuming they are not on your side or don't give a hoot if you're skinned to the wall. I exclude here those like Nereah, Moesha, Phil and others who have come to my corner in the past and assume the others haven't seen these ad hominem attacks unleashed on yours truly by the masters of these characters. Watashindwa.
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Post by Omwenga on Oct 2, 2012 19:19:15 GMT 3
Omwenga: * Regardless of your issues with this Warsama guy, what you have written here about him consists of astonishing filth and ugliness. I was embarrassed to read it, and I don't even know they guy; never even heard of him until this thread. That's sort of thing keeps some Kenyan forums going 24/7, but here? Considering your normally reasoned or well-written posts, I was disappointed that you stooped so low. Although not very far from Omwenga in very many respects, you have been candid enough to remind him of what we expect of him. Hongera. Mwalimumkuu,
You can't handle what you expect of me but I dish it out anyway.
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Post by Omwenga on Oct 2, 2012 19:27:51 GMT 3
There is no way you can read what I have said and then come back to post the nonsense that you hope I have not "eaten" client's money. I have not, never have and you have no basis to assume that I have unless you're trying to join the bandwagon of those defaming me or trying to. Omwenga: You misunderstand me. There no doubt exist relevant paperwork that I could look up in relation to these allegations, but I simply don't care to, nor do I have the time to. Did you eat cleints' money? I don't know. What's more, I don't care to know one way or another. That being so, all I can say is that I hope you didn't, which is very different from assuming that you did. Regarding Warsama: even if everything you wrote is factual, it is still filthy, ugly, and probably doesn't belong here. Otishotish, Your assertion that you don't have the time or care to read about facts is symptomatic of what is actually wrong with our society; people would rather not be bothered with facts as long as their beliefs and whatever they have heard suffices. The more we all learn to learn and deal with facts, the better. Otherwise, fell free to wallow in the world of beliefs removed from facts and reality its really none of anyone's business. I also find comical when you say don't care one way or another about this yet you go on to say you wish it was the other. That logic escapes me.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Oct 2, 2012 19:30:17 GMT 3
Although not very far from Omwenga in very many respects, you have been candid enough to remind him of what we expect of him. Hongera. Mwalimumkuu,
You can't handle what you expect of me but I dish it out anyway. Omwenga,You are right, I do not belong to the dungeon that you and that Warsame guy belong. Keep dishing it out to them but not here, that is all we are asking of you. There is a reason why some of us chose to belong here and not there.
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Post by Omwenga on Oct 2, 2012 19:38:29 GMT 3
Mwalimumkuu,
You can't handle what you expect of me but I dish it out anyway. Omwenga,You are right, I do not belong to the dungeon that you and that Warsame guy belong. Keep dishing it out to them but not here, that is all we are asking of you. There is a reason why some of us chose to belong here and not there. Mwalimumkuu,I am sure Joblesscorner who dragged the moron's thread here from another forum for whatever pathetic reason other than the obvious has heard you loud and clear. As for yours truly, the content of my work here speaks for itself. That's what I refer to you when I dish it out the likes of you can't handle it; defending my honor and integrity or returning fire with fire which morons like this have been mistaken I am incapable, they are now finding out, yes even yours truly who is the model for decency and civility in all the than 20 years he has been blogging does and will defend his honor and integrity and return fire with fire when he deems it appropriate.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Oct 2, 2012 19:48:57 GMT 3
Omwenga,You are right, I do not belong to the dungeon that you and that Warsame guy belong. Keep dishing it out to them but not here, that is all we are asking of you. There is a reason why some of us chose to belong here and not there. Mwalimumkuu,I am sure Joblesscorner who dragged the moron's thread here from another forum for whatever pathetic reason other than the obvious has heard you loud and clear. As for yours truly, the content of my work here speaks for itself. That's what I refer to you when I dish it out the likes of you can't handle it; defending my honor and integrity or returning fire with fire which morons like this have been mistaken I am incapable, they are now finding out, yes even yours truly who is the model for decency and civility in all the than 20 years he has been blogging does and will defend his honor and integrity and return fire with fire when he deems it appropriate. Omwenga,You are actually worse than I thought. The impression I have had of you was made solely based on what you post here, and I am sure you know what I have been thinking about you, because I have said it many, many times. Then Jobless pulls this, I do not know where from, and voila, my worst fears are confirmed. How can you then turn around and blame him for that? The fact that you belong to such a dungeon and can write such things, speaks more about you than anything else and you should hold your head in shame.
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Post by OtishOtish on Oct 2, 2012 19:53:51 GMT 3
Otishotish, Your assertion that you don't have the time or care to read about facts is symptomatic of what is actually wrong with our society; people would rather not be bothered with facts as long as their beliefs and whatever they have heard suffices. The more we all learn to learn and deal with facts, the better. Otherwise, fell free to wallow in the world of beliefs removed from facts and reality its really none of anyone's business. I also find comical when you say don't care one way or another about this yet you go on to say you wish it was the other. That logic escapes me. Omwenga: This will be my last word on this, after which I will leave to to continue at it with your friends. First: We are all very important people, each and every one of us here on Jukwaa. People should take time to find out all about us, read all about us, what affects us affects society and the nation, etc. Unfortunately, there is a lot of stuff out there to read but only so much time. Second: It is true that a failure to read and get the facts is one of the symptoms of what is wrong with our society. In my defense, I should like to say that I do try to read and get the facts. But---see the last sentence in the preceding paragraph---the facts of legal cases involving Omwenga are rather low on my priority-scale, and I'm afraid nobody has given me a convincing reason to move them up. Simply too many facts out there, with new ones being created every second. Third: I have not taken a position on either side, for the simple reason that I don't have all the facts. My expression of hope, on your side, is actually somewhat neutral. RE: "I also find comical when you say don't care one way or another about this yet you go on to say you wish it was the other. That logic escapes me."What I stated is that I don't particularly care to know the nitty-gritty details of your legal cases. That is quite different from stating that I don't care about the outcome of your federal case. As regards the latter, I do care and hope that things will work out in your favour. I don't know you personally, but, from your writing, you seem to me to be a person with a great deal to contribute, and it would be a pity if such blemishes got in the way. If I still haven't made myself clear, please send me a personal message so that I can send you a direct clarification.
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Post by joblesscorner on Oct 2, 2012 20:16:09 GMT 3
Omwenga,
After reading you response of Warsama, I actually stayed away from this issue; it was disturbing even to read it. Nevertheless why do you have to go back and forth with this issue, when you know the truth and you seem confident you might be getting your license soon? I’m not inquiring for a response.
In your posts, which are all about personalities not relevant issues, record, initiatives, how we need to move forward from what occurred in 2008 et cetera. You try to shove us with your own beliefs, with no facts.
What is the propaganda about, that you are looking for a job in the next government in the making?
On a personal question
Out of curiosity, Is it true When anyone studies law in the US, you have to study another one year in Kenya to be admitted? Is there a way around this?
Diaspora conference in DC is this weekend, will you be there?
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Post by b6k on Oct 2, 2012 20:29:44 GMT 3
Kamale, go easy on Omwenga. The way he is adamant about the criminality (or lack thereof) of his deeds I am beginning to imagine you are walking into a legalese trap. The fact is, in the eyes of the law misappropriation of (clients) funds may not be a criminal offence but may be an ethical one. This is why a lawyer who dabbles in the habit of "eating" out of his client accounts can be disbarred, for say 5 years, re-apply to the bar, & after having paid a fine or two be re-admitted. An embarrassing slap on the wrist for sure, but nothing permanent. Unless Omwange's disbarment is of the permanent kind a la Otieno Kajwang, you may find yourself indeed paying for it as you have been warned. Here is a layman's definition of misappropriation: "A dictionary definition of misappropriation of funds is the intentional, illegal use of the property or funds of another person for one's own use or other unauthorized purpose, particularly by a public official, a trustee of a trust, an executor or administrator of a dead person's estate, or by any person with a responsibility to care for and protect another's assets (a fiduciary duty). In short, misappropriation of funds is defined as fraudulent use of funds - money - by a person, persons, entity or entities, other than their legal or rightful owner. The quick synonym is theft." wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_definition_of_misappropriation_of_funds Kamale, go easy on Omwenga. The way he is adamant about the criminality (or lack thereof) of his deeds I am beginning to imagine you are walking into a legalese trap. The fact is, in the eyes of the law misappropriation of (clients) funds may not be a criminal offence but may be an ethical one. This is why a lawyer who dabbles in the habit of "eating" out of his client accounts can be disbarred, for say 5 years, re-apply to the bar, & after having paid a fine or two be re-admitted. An embarrassing slap on the wrist for sure, but nothing permanent. Unless Omwange's disbarment is of the permanent kind a la Otieno Kajwang, you may find yourself indeed paying for it as you have been warned. Here is a layman's definition of misappropriation: "A dictionary definition of misappropriation of funds is the intentional, illegal use of the property or funds of another person for one's own use or other unauthorized purpose, particularly by a public official, a trustee of a trust, an executor or administrator of a dead person's estate, or by any person with a responsibility to care for and protect another's assets (a fiduciary duty). In short, misappropriation of funds is defined as fraudulent use of funds - money - by a person, persons, entity or entities, other than their legal or rightful owner. The quick synonym is theft." wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_definition_of_misappropriation_of_funds b6k,
Because I don't put you in the column where this moron Kamale and the like belong, let me by way of edification tell you and others equally stationed what's is actually going on here. You can read the brief on this at www.scribd.com/doc/106155542/Brief-in-in-Re-Samuel-N-Omwenga-EsqFirst, I have never misappropriated any client money and anyone who knows how to read legal opinions can readily conclude the panel that rubber stamped another panel's recommendation to disbar yours truly on this ground readily admits that simple fact. The facts are very simple on this issue. A client I essentially represented pro bono, meaning for free or otherwise at nominal fee--and this is the irony of this case, came to me to help him buy a Laundromat. The client, a very nice relatively old man from Ethiopia, who I actually decided to help pro bono because he reminded me of my own late dad and I wanted to be a part of making him realize his dream, anyway, he had already negotiated and agreed with the owner to buy the Laundromat for $60,000. When I conducted due diligence on the case, I found out that the person who was selling the Laundromat was not the legal owner of the equipment in the Laundromat; he was merely leasing and was about to con this old man out of all this money! I then informed this client about this, which he was needless to say shocked and I went on to identify and negotiate the purchase price with the legal owner, a company in Philadelphia. The company first quoted the price at somewhere around $55,000 but I applied every negotiating skill and tactic, including appealing to the emotions of the company's rep as to how this old man needed a break and all that worked for the company agreed to sell the equipment for $48,050. I then had the client obtain a banker's check in that amount in favor of the company but he mistakenly made the check out to my firm, which was fine because I decided to open an escrow account for the money and paid the company using our firm's check. Before issuing the check, though, I decided to one more time see if I could save this old man just a bit more and to my surprise, the company rep agreed to further discount the price to $46,000. I then had a check issued from our firm for that amount and immediately dispatched to the seller, followed by routine closing transactions. Meanwhile, I informed my client of the additional savings and he was thrilled beyond believe and said I had so far save him so much I should keep the money as my legal fees. I told him I was happy to do this for him but couldn't keep the additional money because I had initially agreed to represent him at the nominal fee of $1000, which he had already paid. He nonetheless insisted so I told him fine, I will keep $500 but must return the balance of $1500 to him, which I did. Client was happy beyond belief. Fast forward to a few months later I am in Kenya and after failing to reach me (he refused to deal with staff at my firm), this same client went to a moron of a lawyer, who wrongly and incompetently advised him that he had no legal title of the equipment. The moron of a lawyer also advises him to file a legal malpractice suit against yours truly which was thrown out because it has no legal or factual basis; I did not commit any malpractice and superbly represented the client--its the moron of a lawyer who failed to read all the documents properly to understand what he was relying on the basis for his claim the client had no legal right (a provision in the master lease for the building where the equipment was located) was expressly waived by the landowner and I made sure that was done before the purchase was concluded. The $500 is what the panel that heard the licensing board's case for sanctions brainlessly concluded is "misappropriation." To make this decision even more outlandishly stupid, there is even a clear record by way of an email from the same client asking for a receipt for the "$500 legal fees!" Not only that, as I have posted elsewhere about this, (1) not once did this client ever complain that I had misappropriated the $500 and, contrary to the panel's lie not supported by any record, the client never "demanded" that I refund the money to him! This was something the panel simply pulled out of their rare to prop up their finding of misappropriation, which they to their credit discredit in the same breadth in their opinion. Also, what kind of a moron would I have had to be to call up my client and tell him that I had saved him an additional $2050 in the transaction and then go on to misappropriate the $500? Would it not make sense to misappropriate the $2050 or, better yet, the $46,000 he initially entrusted me with? Moreover, at the time this was alleged to have happened, I was charging $250 per hour. Who in their right mind would misappropriate 2 hours worth of billing? Even a moron surely would have to agree this finding of misappropriation under these facts is moronic. The lawyer representing the licensing board added this false charge to make the case appear more serious than it actually was and the panel that initially heard the case went with her for reasons I can tell you now goes to the fact I refused to admit wrong-doing and have my license reinstated. I refused to admit to wrong doing because I did not commit any wrong doing, especially with respect to what was at the core of what the clients who filed these claims falsely charged and these are (1) I did not tell one not to go to court, her absence of which resulted in her getting ordered deported (2) I did not fail to file documents for one (3) I did not falsely file an affidavit relative to the first client offering reasons why she did not go to court; the affidavit was prepared based on information and she edited and signed the affidavit! (4) I did not misrepresent to anyone, including these panels and in the legal malpractice case that was thrown out of court and (5) I did not fail to show up for court for another client. Note all these claims are going back years the lawyer for the licensing board dusted them off the shelves in early 2008 when several clients called their office and said I had neglected their cases, which was entirely not true because there was staff in my office I just never bothered to go there for several weeks as I was helping find a solution for the crisis then engulfing our country. Our efforts paid off and what exactly that was is something I'll discuss in details in a memoir I intend to publish at some point and one whose compilation is already work in progress and what I have just written here is and will be a part of it albeit more detailed. That's why I say losing my license over this, even though under review and is likely to be reinstated, is something I wear as a badge of honor because, were it not for what I was doing for our country, none of this would have come to pass. This case is now being reviewed in a federal court and I am confident the panel will be reversed if anything because the decision rubber stamping another panel's decision is wrong on its face because it says the other panel unanimously recommended the sanction of disbarment when, in fact, two members dissented. One need not be a lawyer or know anything about law to know that's simply in error and in law, an error like that goes to show denial of due process, which is exactly what happened here. The sanction of disbarment is also excessive, given many lawyers who have committed far worse ethical violations than those claimed here have routinely received far less sanctions than was in this case. I know precisely why but need not say so here other than what I have mentioned and add were I still been interested in actively practicing law (by the time these cases arose I had since decided to pursue other interests) I would have had the license reinstated a long time ago. Here is one interesting anecdote: one of the clients who file a complaint against yours truly--the one about I not filing his documents, made the hearing panel and everyone in the room when I asked him on cross examination why after he filed the complaint he would still insist on buying me a drink at a Kenyan joint (he is Tanzanian) where we occasionally run into each other and his response was, "I don't know; maybe I was drunk!) I consider him a friend and he and I still run into each other on occasion and laugh about this. He did what he did because it was the only way to save his behind from being deported and I understand that and hold nothing against him. You can read the brief in this case at www.scribd.com/doc/106155542/Brief-in-in-Re-Samuel-N-Omwenga-Esq[Unedited] [/quote] Omwenga, it sounds to me like your staff let you & your clients down. I don't know what kind of organizational structure you had but this is why many a one-(wo)man-law-firm end up in trouble or over-stretched. Para-legals & clerks can only take you so far. You probably could've done with a reliable full partner or two to hold brief when you were otherwise indisposed. When the cat's away, the mice will play...& in the long term, the lawyer will pay...
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Post by reporter911 on Oct 2, 2012 20:46:44 GMT 3
Mwalimumkuu,I am sure Joblesscorner who dragged the moron's thread here from another forum for whatever pathetic reason other than the obvious has heard you loud and clear. As for yours truly, the content of my work here speaks for itself. That's what I refer to you when I dish it out the likes of you can't handle it; defending my honor and integrity or returning fire with fire which morons like this have been mistaken I am incapable, they are now finding out, yes even yours truly who is the model for decency and civility in all the than 20 years he has been blogging does and will defend his honor and integrity and return fire with fire when he deems it appropriate. Omwenga,You are actually worse than I thought. The impression I have had of you was made solely based on what you post here, and I am sure you know what I have been thinking about you, because I have said it many, many times. Then Jobless pulls this, I do not know where from, and voila, my worst fears are confirmed. How can you then turn around and blame him for that? The fact that you belong to such a dungeon and can write such things, speaks more about you than anything else and you should hold your head in shame. Omwenga here s what is scaring the Uhuru "TNT = Mudavadi protégé followers!!The end game was busted and now they running around like headless chickens to derail your thread by through insults and abuses at you for starting it.. anyone can see why.. na watashiinwa.. UHURU "TNT" MUDAVADI GRAVY TRAIN IS GOING NOWHERE ... THE NEXT STOP WILL BE AT THE ICC IVYO TU !! ignore them and concentrate on the real politic's which are becoming juicer as rumour has it on the ground.. wach tu
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Oct 2, 2012 20:50:56 GMT 3
To Kamale:
Well, how do you respond to Omwenga's complaint?
Mind you, if Omwenga sues you, he MUST also sue Jukwaa (read Onyango Oloo in his capacity as the Administrator).
Onyango Oloo Jukwaa Administrator
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Post by reporter911 on Oct 2, 2012 20:55:26 GMT 3
Omwenga, After reading you response of Warsama, I actually stayed away from this issue; it was disturbing even to read it. Nevertheless why do you have to go back and forth with this issue, when you know the truth and you seem confident you might be getting your license soon? I’m not inquiring for a response. In your posts, which are all about personalities not relevant issues, record, initiatives, how we need to move forward from what occurred in 2008 et cetera. You try to shove us with your own beliefs, with no facts. What is the propaganda about, that you are looking for a job in the next government in the making? On a personal question Out of curiosity, Is it true When anyone studies law in the US, you have to study another one year in Kenya to be admitted? Is there a way around this? Diaspora conference in DC is this weekend, will you be there? Back to Politics instead of trying to Derailing Omwenga's the thread TITLED Political Eulogy of Wycliff Musalia Mudavadias it ain't going anywhere QUESTION FOR WESTERN PROVINCE?watch closely don't be fooled..WILL THE INTELLIGENT CITIZENS OF WESTERN KENYA ALLOW THEMSELVES TO BE CONTROLLED THROUGH MUDAVADI THROUGH CENTRAL PROVINCE CURTSY OF UHURU "TNT".... rumors on the ground actually confirm that it will never happen... maybe UHuru TNT" should place camp in Turkana
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Post by Omwenga on Oct 2, 2012 22:30:42 GMT 3
Omwenga, it sounds to me like your staff let you & your clients down. I don't know what kind of organizational structure you had but this is why many a one-(wo)man-law-firm end up in trouble or over-stretched. Para-legals & clerks can only take you so far. You probably could've done with a reliable full partner or two to hold brief when you were otherwise indisposed. When the cat's away, the mice will play...& in the long term, the lawyer will pay... b6k,That's neither here nor there now but I did sell the firm and assets for decent price but if I were to run a practice again, I would do it differently, starting from not representing immigrants from Africa who cry crocodile tears seeking free or low fee representation but will be the first ones to stab you in the back when you're not looking if that advanced their objectives. Many of them could afford normal fees but they'll haggle and plead for hours and even days and weeks telling you stories until the weak like yours truly relent and before you know it, you have cut your fees to way below anything another lawyer would charge. I figured this early on in my practice and by the time I sold it, however, I hardly had any clients from Africa. There are, of course, very fine clients from Africa who would see an African lawyer not as someone to take advantage but a professional to be paid much as the next best lawyer. The number of cases I was suckered into representing pro bono over the years I practiced, however, is staggering and this went on for years until I finally gathered the courage to say no to these characters. I have mentored many lawyers to this day and those have always benefited from our experience and hindsight while some have done so well they are in turn now mentoring others and that's the way it should be. Wait a minute!! This is not what this thread is about!!! Back to Mudavadi
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Post by gateway on Oct 2, 2012 22:43:09 GMT 3
I would love to be SUED too. I will walk into that court room with both of my middle fingers up and my red eyes gazing straight at the judge. And I will teach them LAW. ;D ;D
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Post by Omwenga on Oct 2, 2012 22:45:18 GMT 3
Mwalimumkuu,I am sure Joblesscorner who dragged the moron's thread here from another forum for whatever pathetic reason other than the obvious has heard you loud and clear. As for yours truly, the content of my work here speaks for itself. That's what I refer to you when I dish it out the likes of you can't handle it; defending my honor and integrity or returning fire with fire which morons like this have been mistaken I am incapable, they are now finding out, yes even yours truly who is the model for decency and civility in all the than 20 years he has been blogging does and will defend his honor and integrity and return fire with fire when he deems it appropriate. Omwenga,You are actually worse than I thought. The impression I have had of you was made solely based on what you post here, and I am sure you know what I have been thinking about you, because I have said it many, many times. Then Jobless pulls this, I do not know where from, and voila, my worst fears are confirmed. How can you then turn around and blame him for that? The fact that you belong to such a dungeon and can write such things, speaks more about you than anything else and you should hold your head in shame. Mwalimumkuu,
Here is news to you: what you think doesn't matter but to you and like minded. Who I am never changes and will never change because of what you or anyone thinks or says about me. I'll hold accountable those who defame me, yes, but that still is not going to change who I am. I am who I am because that's who I am.
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Post by Omwenga on Oct 2, 2012 23:03:15 GMT 3
There is no way you can read what I have said and then come back to post the nonsense that you hope I have not "eaten" client's money. I have not, never have and you have no basis to assume that I have unless you're trying to join the bandwagon of those defaming me or trying to. Omwenga: You misunderstand me. There no doubt exist relevant paperwork that I could look up in relation to these allegations, but I simply don't care to, nor do I have the time to. Did you eat cleints' money? I don't know. What's more, I don't care to know one way or another. That being so, all I can say is that I hope you didn't, which is very different from assuming that you did. Regarding Warsama: even if everything you wrote is factual, it is still filthy, ugly, and probably doesn't belong here. Pooping in his diapers? Otishotish,
This is the last thing I am going to say to you about this; I did not "eat" any client's money and neither has any client claimed that I did. That being the case and fact, you don't have to wish that I didn't "eat" a client's money. I am way above things like that. When my wife and I were dating in the early 90s, we walked by a store at a shopping mall in an areas referred to as Little Mexico in the Silver Spring, MD area because of the high number of Mexicans who live and shop around there. As my wife and I approached the store, we saw a wallet on the ground and picked it up. From its bulk, you could see it was stuffed with bills, which is not uncharacteristic because most of these guys from Mexico get paid in cash as they are undocumented and have no bank accounts for the same reason. Anyway, without any hesitation, we went inside, asked for the manager and handed him the wallet. Don't know if the owner ever got the wallet back, but we knew we had done what needed to be done. A few years later while in Law School, I walked by the Assistant Dean and Cashier's office, I found a stack of cash on the floor in a money clip. I picked it up, walked over to the Cashier's office and handed the money to the then Assistant Dean who along with staff in the office were in total disbelief I would find and hand over that much money; it was more than $1000 in 100 dollar bills. The point is this, the values I was raised with by my late father and now 94+ old mother are far more ingratiated in me and are much higher than any professional body or law can direct me. Those who know me, and there are many here, know what kind of person I am and there are a number who also know what kind of person my father was. To say the least, he was a very generous man and helped a lot of people in not just from what he did as Head of the African Tribunal Court, but as a Church elder and community leader. I am duty bound to maintain that legacy and happy that I have and always will. Anyone who knows me will attest to that. I have previously blogged that my oldest brother, who served our country and retired as a diplomat a few years ago used to be laughed at for not eating while in office but he would tell you he is most happiest in retirement and happy he served honorably and never once had the thought of enriching himself cross his mind. Mzee's values at work. I can go on but I am sure you get my point. It's also fact and truth. As I have said before, I would put my honor and integrity next to anyone, anytime and it'll shine through and through.
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Post by gateway on Oct 2, 2012 23:25:25 GMT 3
Omwenga: You misunderstand me. There no doubt exist relevant paperwork that I could look up in relation to these allegations, but I simply don't care to, nor do I have the time to. Did you eat cleints' money? I don't know. What's more, I don't care to know one way or another. That being so, all I can say is that I hope you didn't, which is very different from assuming that you did. Regarding Warsama: even if everything you wrote is factual, it is still filthy, ugly, and probably doesn't belong here. Pooping in his diapers? Otishotish,
This is the last thing I am going to say to you about this; I did not "eat" any client's money and neither has any client claimed that I did. That being the case and fact, you don't have to wish that I didn't "eat" a client's money. I am way above things like that. When my wife and I were dating in the early 90s, we walked by a store at a shopping mall in an areas referred to as Little Mexico in the Silver Spring, MD area because of the high number of Mexicans who live and shop around there. As my wife and I approached the store, we saw a wallet on the ground and picked it up. From its bulk, you could see it was stuffed with bills, which is not uncharacteristic because most of these guys from Mexico get paid in cash as they are undocumented and have no bank accounts for the same reason. Anyway, without any hesitation, we went inside, asked for the manager and handed him the wallet. Don't know if the owner ever got the wallet back, but we knew we had done what needed to be done. A few years later while in Law School, I walked by the Assistant Dean and Cashier's office, I found a stack of cash on the floor in a money clip. I picked it up, walked over to the Cashier's office and handed the money to the then Assistant Dean who along with staff in the office were in total disbelief I would find and hand over that much money; it was more than $1000 in 100 dollar bills. The point is this, the values I was raised with by my late father and now 94+ old mother are far more ingratiated in me and are much higher than any professional body or law can direct me. Those who know me, and there are many here, know what kind of person I am and there are a number who also know what kind of person my father was. To say the least, he was a very generous man and helped a lot of people in not just from what he did as Head of the African Tribunal Court, but as a Church elder and community leader. I am duty bound to maintain that legacy and happy that I have and always will. Anyone who knows me will attest to that. I have previously blogged that my oldest brother, who served our country and retired as a diplomat a few years ago used to be laughed at for not eating while in office but he would tell you he is most happiest in retirement and happy he served honorably and never once had the thought of enriching himself cross his mind. Mzee's values at work. I can go on but I am sure you get my point. It's also fact and truth. As I have said before, I would put my honor and integrity next to anyone, anytime and it'll shine through and through. Now that you DRAG your father (family) into this to explain your goodness, is it okay if I ask if it's the same parents that taught you to constantly PARROT about Agwambo and rant against his opponents? I am just thinking LOUD. I tend to think deep. George Bush Jr was also brought up with christian values and just look at the width of his brain when it came to political issues. He went down in history as one of the dumbest leaders.
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Post by Omwenga on Oct 2, 2012 23:30:41 GMT 3
Otishotish,
This is the last thing I am going to say to you about this; I did not "eat" any client's money and neither has any client claimed that I did. That being the case and fact, you don't have to wish that I didn't "eat" a client's money. I am way above things like that. When my wife and I were dating in the early 90s, we walked by a store at a shopping mall in an areas referred to as Little Mexico in the Silver Spring, MD area because of the high number of Mexicans who live and shop around there. As my wife and I approached the store, we saw a wallet on the ground and picked it up. From its bulk, you could see it was stuffed with bills, which is not uncharacteristic because most of these guys from Mexico get paid in cash as they are undocumented and have no bank accounts for the same reason. Anyway, without any hesitation, we went inside, asked for the manager and handed him the wallet. Don't know if the owner ever got the wallet back, but we knew we had done what needed to be done. A few years later while in Law School, I walked by the Assistant Dean and Cashier's office, I found a stack of cash on the floor in a money clip. I picked it up, walked over to the Cashier's office and handed the money to the then Assistant Dean who along with staff in the office were in total disbelief I would find and hand over that much money; it was more than $1000 in 100 dollar bills. The point is this, the values I was raised with by my late father and now 94+ old mother are far more ingratiated in me and are much higher than any professional body or law can direct me. Those who know me, and there are many here, know what kind of person I am and there are a number who also know what kind of person my father was. To say the least, he was a very generous man and helped a lot of people in not just from what he did as Head of the African Tribunal Court, but as a Church elder and community leader. I am duty bound to maintain that legacy and happy that I have and always will. Anyone who knows me will attest to that. I have previously blogged that my oldest brother, who served our country and retired as a diplomat a few years ago used to be laughed at for not eating while in office but he would tell you he is most happiest in retirement and happy he served honorably and never once had the thought of enriching himself cross his mind. Mzee's values at work. I can go on but I am sure you get my point. It's also fact and truth. As I have said before, I would put my honor and integrity next to anyone, anytime and it'll shine through and through. Now that you DRAG your father (family) into this to explain your goodness, is it okay if I ask if it's the same parents that taught you to constantly PARROT about Agwambo and rant against his opponents? I am just thinking LOUD. I tend to think deep. George Bush Jr was also brought up with christian values and just look at the width of his brain when it came to political issues. He went down in history as one of the dumbest leaders. Gateway,I am way above your type both intellectually and otherwise. Kindly find someone your level to exchange at this level of brainless discourse. Thank you.
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