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Post by Omwenga on Sept 29, 2012 22:41:04 GMT 3
In Political Eulogy of Musalia Mudavadi, www.the-star.co.ke/weekend/siasa/96055-political-eulogy-of-musalia-mudavadi, I make the case Musalia Mudavadi is all but politically finished. I differ greatly with those who take the view Mudavadi will be installed as president tupende tusipende simply because a section of the former Central prefers him to Uhuru and Raila or, alternatively, on grounds Uhuru prefers him to anyone else including Raila given his (UK's) unlikely contest, let alone winning the presidency. This is true also notwithstanding the fact that Mudavadi is the only politician in the country who can easily be remote controlled--a charge which is not far off from reality but winning the presidency in 2013 shall be more than who is going to be whose puppet. |
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Post by abdulmote on Sept 29, 2012 23:02:56 GMT 3
Omwenga,
A very obvious and natural question that arises then; why did Raila choose to have Musalia, the "remote controlled" failure, as his DPM, and the ODMers literally begging him him to stay, when someone else presumably had pressed the remote control button? Why?
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Sept 29, 2012 23:07:12 GMT 3
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Post by Omwenga on Sept 29, 2012 23:15:20 GMT 3
Omwenga, A very obvious and natural question that arises then; why did Raila choose to have Musalia, the "remote controlled" failure, as his DPM, and the ODMers literally begging him him to stay, when someone else presumably had pressed the remote control button? Why? I have a long answer and a short one; which one do you prefer? I'll give you a short one ;D Raila took Mudavadi from the political dead for both practical and humane reasons; the practical reason was Raila and ODM started a movement to reclaim our country from the masters of corruption and impunity and in this respect, they had decided they'll bring along anyone who as they were was prepared to carry the torch for the forces of reform, which Mudavadi promised. The humane reason was Raila simply felt sorry for Mudavadi and was willing to take him warts and all but, with the prospect in due time Mudavadi would learn from the master and hopefully take over the reins of power from him. You'll think Mudavadi would have been wise to have this fact alone if anything guide him in making the right decisions about his career but he instead opted for the path to yet again self-extinction from political life. Please note I am not saying the KSG schemers are off in picking Mudavadi as their choice because he can be easily manipulated and controlled; that may as well been a brilliant decision except its dumb in not figuring he is also a weak and ineffective politician for the same reasons that make him easily manipulated and controlled. The question you should ask is, why or how come Raila did not control or manipulate Mudavadi and stop him from jumping over the cliff and there I have an answer I can give you, if you're interested. |
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Post by Omwenga on Sept 29, 2012 23:23:00 GMT 3
Mwalimumkuu, The good professor rightly characterizes his piece as an hypothesis, which anyone with any brains should be able to pen one. At the end of his hypothesis, however, he states something I think is more likely than his entire hypothesis he equally dismisses by this insightful conclusion: This hypothesis assumes that Kenyans will vote in their ethnic cocoons. They may not. But even more significantly, this scenario assumes that Kenyans don’t want real change, but the status quo.
This is where Mr Mudavadi could run into trouble. The man has no reformist history. He can’t make a case to be more reformist than Mr Odinga. Nor can he make the case that he’s ever been his own man.
If Kenyans come to believe that he’s been orchestrated by a secret cabal, then his goose will be cooked. He won’t win the presidency on ethnic math alone. |
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Post by b6k on Sept 29, 2012 23:44:19 GMT 3
Comparing between the Omwenga hypothesis & the Makau Mutua one I would say Mutua has it. Even Robot 911 knows Mudavadi is the man to watch come 2013. Talking of eulogies at this stage of the game is premature to say the least. Omwenga, just a point of clarification regarding your sign off on The Star piece. You once said you left the law profession to pursue a business career in something ICT related, yet you sign off as a lawyer. What gives?  |
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Post by reporter911 on Sept 29, 2012 23:55:01 GMT 3
Comparing between the Omwenga hypothesis & the Makau Mutua one I would say Mutua has it. Even Robot 911 knows Mudavadi is the man to watch come 2013. Talking of eulogies at this stage of the game is premature to say the least. Omwenga, just a point of clarification regarding your sign off on The Star piece. You once said you left the law profession to pursue a business career in something ICT related, yet you sign off as a lawyer. What gives? Quote me with truth not lies Kamalet robo B6K ;D Mudavadi is not the man to watch, wrong.. He is the man they plan to RIG IN.. but they won't be able to.. because central vote will not be enough to get him into statehouse.. Western, Rift Valley and Coast votes are all divided.. he can never get more than 1% even with Uhuru & TNT millions being poured in all this provinces.. WASTE OF MONEY ON MUDAVADI i should add.. but why not make him rich while at it.. rumours are he had many debts to pay. then viola Uhuru's master-card arrived from the thin air ;D let Uhuru use some of the money his father took illegally from Kenyan citizens ama.. before ICC freezes all his accounts.. ama |
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Post by b6k on Sept 30, 2012 0:10:50 GMT 3
Comparing between the Omwenga hypothesis & the Makau Mutua one I would say Mutua has it. Even Robot 911 knows Mudavadi is the man to watch come 2013. Talking of eulogies at this stage of the game is premature to say the least. Omwenga, just a point of clarification regarding your sign off on The Star piece. You once said you left the law profession to pursue a business career in something ICT related, yet you sign off as a lawyer. What gives? Quote me with truth not lies Kamalet robo B6K ;D Mudavadi is not the man to watch, wrong.. He is the man they plan to RIG IN.. but they won't be able to.. because central vote will not be enough to get him into statehouse.. Western, Rift Valley and Coast votes are all divided.. he can never get more than 1% even with Uhuru & TNT millions being poured in all this provinces.. WASTE OF MONEY ON MUDAVADI i should add.. but why not make him rich while at it.. rumours are he had many debts to pay. then viola Uhuru's master-card arrived from the thin air ;D let Uhuru use some of the money his father took illegally from Kenyan citizens ama.. before ICC freezes all his accounts.. ama obot 911, unfortunately you disappoint after I was beginning to keenly follow your posts on Mudavadi. Time will tell whether his state hose bid will pan out or not. I suspect he may come closer than many expect. Assuming he would clinch the Central vote, that on it's own right would put him well past the 1% mark, n'est pas? Either you are wrong & he lacks the backing from Central or you're right & he will be more than a 1% candidate. You can't have it both ways, I'm afraid. On to other matters. A viola is a musical instrument. You most likely meant to say the French word voila when you alluded to the sudden arrival of Uhuru's mastercard. Yet another reason, if your hypothesis is right, that Mudavadi will fare a lot better than the mere 1% you project ;D |
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Post by Omwenga on Sept 30, 2012 0:20:43 GMT 3
Comparing between the Omwenga hypothesis & the Makau Mutua one I would say Mutua has it. Even Robot 911 knows Mudavadi is the man to watch come 2013. Talking of eulogies at this stage of the game is premature to say the least. Omwenga, just a point of clarification regarding your sign off on The Star piece. You once said you left the law profession to pursue a business career in something ICT related, yet you sign off as a lawyer. What gives? You can add to the debate by providing your own reasons why you think the good professor "has it" in his piece than yours truly. As for your point of clarification, I sign of as a Kenyan lawyer and political commentator because I am. It make no difference that I no longer actively practice and haven't for years. Would it make the likes of you if I simply signed off as Samuel Omwenga? Do you think that will make the content of what I say less or more analytically accurate or persuasive? You see, these are the irrelevancies people constantly bring up I will never in my life understand why but would appreciate if you can give me an honest answer because I have never put you in the category of those who hate the fact that I am who I am or am as good as I am in what I do. That's not by accident those who hate the fact are better off learning and replicating the same for their own causes and pursuits. Blogging about my beloved country is something I do with passion because it's the least I can do to shape its future; whether I am a lawyer or not, active or not is irrelevant in that equation even though being one is an advantage over many dimwits who can't even debate a comatose toad and I need not mention names here.  |
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Post by Omwenga on Sept 30, 2012 0:30:11 GMT 3
Comparing between the Omwenga hypothesis & the Makau Mutua one I would say Mutua has it. Even Robot 911 knows Mudavadi is the man to watch come 2013. Talking of eulogies at this stage of the game is premature to say the least. Omwenga, just a point of clarification regarding your sign off on The Star piece. You once said you left the law profession to pursue a business career in something ICT related, yet you sign off as a lawyer. What gives? Quote me with truth not lies Kamalet robo B6K ;D Mudavadi is not the man to watch, wrong.. He is the man they plan to RIG IN.. but they won't be able to.. because central vote will not be enough to get him into statehouse.. Western, Rift Valley and Coast votes are all divided.. he can never get more than 1% even with Uhuru & TNT millions being poured in all this provinces.. WASTE OF MONEY ON MUDAVADI i should add.. but why not make him rich while at it.. rumours are he had many debts to pay. then viola Uhuru's master-card arrived from the thin air ;D let Uhuru use some of the money his father took illegally from Kenyan citizens ama.. before ICC freezes all his accounts.. ama b6k does not know that Omwenga's cows are grazing in Luhyaland courtesy of my brother and their daughter and neither does he know I have many friends from the area, including a couple who are very close to Mudavadi so I don't post things here or anywhere payukaring and neither do I have to check with anyone about their accuracy once I have made up my mind that's what they are. In other words, what I post is informed by what I pick from conversations and information I glean or learn from this network of friends or family in addition to what is publicly available and observable and that applies not just in the case of Mudavadi and Luhyaland but everywhere else in the country for that matter. You have obviously and needless to say stated what the facts are and no need to add anything more than to simply say right on! |
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Post by gateway on Sept 30, 2012 0:54:18 GMT 3
All the current Presidential candidates are the SAME to me and I never understand why educated people like you MISUSE your brains in trying to find a better one. Why don't you just be like me. Get a pipe, fill it up and smoke away the stress. Nothing will change in Kenya until all these con-men leave the scene. They are playing us. What i find laughable are the many paragraphs you guys write day in day out about these con-men.
Use that intellectual muscle to PEN a BOOK. One man praising another man daily is to me a sign of MENTAL DISEASE. I do not care whether one is a lawyer or a farmer.
Raila of all the people SHOULD retire. He has nothing new to offer Kenyans other than constant KELELE. If you love him that much, tell him to go home and rest with Kibaki. He has played ball with the so called "status quo" politicians that there in no longer any difference.
Can we retire all these phuquers?
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Post by b6k on Sept 30, 2012 2:05:56 GMT 3
Comparing between the Omwenga hypothesis & the Makau Mutua one I would say Mutua has it. Even Robot 911 knows Mudavadi is the man to watch come 2013. Talking of eulogies at this stage of the game is premature to say the least. Omwenga, just a point of clarification regarding your sign off on The Star piece. You once said you left the law profession to pursue a business career in something ICT related, yet you sign off as a lawyer. What gives? You can add to the debate by providing your own reasons why you think the good professor "has it" in his piece than yours truly. As for your point of clarification, I sign of as a Kenyan lawyer and political commentator because I am. It make no difference that I no longer actively practice and haven't for years. Would it make the likes of you if I simply signed off as Samuel Omwenga? Do you think that will make the content of what I say less or more analytically accurate or persuasive? You see, these are the irrelevancies people constantly bring up I will never in my life understand why but would appreciate if you can give me an honest answer because I have never put you in the category of those who hate the fact that I am who I am or am as good as I am in what I do. That's not by accident those who hate the fact are better off learning and replicating the same for their own causes and pursuits. Blogging about my beloved country is something I do with passion because it's the least I can do to shape its future; whether I am a lawyer or not, active or not is irrelevant in that equation even though being one is an advantage over many dimwits who can't even debate a comatose toad and I need not mention names here. , as to why the prof is right & you are less so in my view is it effectively encapsulates the current conditions & gives a more realistic analysis of the potential outcomes come election day while tying in a bit of history as well. I like the way he downplays the possibility of Raila's much touted two horse race; a scenario that Raila only forecasts as being between him & Uhuru. Everything points to the very real possibility that both Uhuru & Ruto will not be on the ballot. You do not address this at all, probably due to the fact that you are so close to Raila that you can only tell it as he sees it....aka you are singing the party line. Methinks, however, that you underestimate Musalia at your own peril. (Although the constant tune about Mudavadi being a project is a backhanded way of affirming that he remains a threat even when you say he is not) ;D I also agree that Raila has burned his bridges when it comes to the Kikuyu vote. Although Mutua doesn't mention it in this piece, Raila's dalliance with Maina Njenga's Mungiki has cost him more than he will ever know. Indeed as Mutua states Uhuru needs to be given an honourable exit strategy from the powers that be at state house to encourage him to support Mudavadi's bid for the presidency. If that delicate matter is handled well it is highly likely the TNA vehicle will deliver its support to UDF. When he brings in Ruto & Moi in the piece & alludes to how both may indeed throw their support behind Mudavadi, & not Raila...that ties in with what I hear on the ground. Ditto with Musyoka not standing any real chance in the whole process. Now the bits that you highlighted in your post linking the article probably sound like music to your ears. However, in an election that is said to be one that pits the forces of impunity against the forces of change, is there really an option for change when the big 4 (Raila, Uhuru, Ruto, Mudavadi) are for all intents & purposes just different shades of the status quo? It's just interesting to see how two writers in the diaspora (who both lean towards Raila) can read into what's happening here so differently. Could it be because one is telling it as it is while the other is harping Orange House yarns? Those rides in the PM's limo come at a cost, it seems...the cost of one's objectivity. Over to your signing off. Would it be any less of a description if you said you are a businessman & political commentator residing in the US? Just curious... |
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Post by b6k on Sept 30, 2012 2:13:41 GMT 3
b6k does not know that Omwenga's cows are grazing in Luhyaland courtesy of my brother and their daughter and neither does he know I have many friends from the area, including a couple who are very close to Mudavadi so I don't post things here or anywhere payukaring and neither do I have to check with anyone about their accuracy once I have made up my mind that's what they are. , there was a very interesting article OO wrote in another blog that talked of the interesting ethnic cleavages (or something to that effect) that cut across the middle class in KE. Do not assume you are the only one who has cows grazing in Luhyaland. I have some there as well as RVP, as well as Central, & even in Luo Nyanza by virtue of how KE has become a massive melting pot (the more reason why PEV was the tragedy it was). I know very few people who are not enjoying the fruits of Mzee's ethnic diversity ;D |
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Post by b6k on Sept 30, 2012 2:20:06 GMT 3
All the current Presidential candidates are the SAME to me and I never understand why educated people like you MISUSE your brains in trying to find a better one. Why don't you just be like me. Get a pipe, fill it up and smoke away the stress. Nothing will change in Kenya until all these con-men leave the scene. They are playing us. What i find laughable are the many paragraphs you guys write day in day out about these con-men. Use that intellectual muscle to PEN a BOOK. One man praising another man daily is to me a sign of MENTAL DISEASE. I do not care whether one is a lawyer or a farmer. Raila of all the people SHOULD retire. He has nothing new to offer Kenyans other than constant KELELE. If you love him that much, tell him to go home and rest with Kibaki. He has played ball with the so called "status quo" politicians that there in no longer any difference. Can we retire all these phuquers? Well penned Gateway. If only it were legal I would DHL you a dozen dime bags of the highlands finest. At least you have seen the light & cut through all the BS that is KE politics today. With the options we have out there (save for maybe PK who doesn't stand a chance) we are being set up for a pseudo contest of the highest order. Only the political class will win... |
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Post by OtishOtish on Sept 30, 2012 2:27:43 GMT 3
b6k does not know that Omwenga's cows are grazing in Luhyaland courtesy of my brother and their daughter and neither does he know I have many friends from the area, including a couple who are very close to Mudavadi so I don't post things here or anywhere payukaring and neither do I have to check with anyone about their accuracy once I have made up my mind that's what they are. , there was a very interesting article OO wrote in another blog that talked of the interesting ethnic cleavages (or something to that effect) that cut across the middle class in KE. Do not assume you are the only one who has cows grazing in Luhyaland. I have some there as well as RVP, as well as Central, & even in Luo Nyanza by virtue of how KE has become a massive melting pot (the more reason why PEV was the tragedy it was). I know very few people who are not enjoying the fruits of Mzee's ethnic diversity ;D Is Kenya really a "massive melting pot"? Do a bit of travelling in provinces other that RV ("historical land-issues") and Coast (tourism). In particular, take a very hard look at Central. |
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Post by Omwenga on Sept 30, 2012 2:34:36 GMT 3
All the current Presidential candidates are the SAME to me and I never understand why educated people like you MISUSE your brains in trying to find a better one. Gateway, It's called freedom of choice and association. It's none of your business and it never should be who people choose to support or why; that's their individual God given right. That being the case, it goes without saying it's irrelevant whether people are educated or not in exercising that right. You're assuming people are stressed in discussing their preferred or least liked of the presidential candidates; it may be some are but equally the case others are not and even those who are stressed about it, your preferred manner of dealing with stress may not be theirs. Again, this is called freedom of choice. The fact is our next president is going to be someone who's a household name today and that shall be the case for at least the next 5 election circles, so either get used to it or have a steady supply of tobacco to deal with the stress and reality for these "conmen" are not going anywhere for awhile. It may be laughable today but that could easily turn to tears when the person you least like or most hate among the "con-men" assumes office as our next president. You have no way of knowing whether anyone here or anywhere else is using their intellectual muscle to pen a book; in any-case some people are quite capable of doing both and more, namely, blogging here while penning their books. Praising another man daily may be a mental disease but have you paused to wonder whether being concerned about who others praise or don't praise or how frequent when its none of your business whether they do or not is equally a mental disease and in fact, the only one of the two scenarios? See my immediately above comment. That's for the voters to decide as he has made it abundantly clear he's not interested in retiring. Others disagree, including yours truly but you're entitled to your own opinion. Again, this is none of our business; if someone wishes to work to the day they drop dead or wish to pursue politics to that time, its up-to them and the voters. Again, your opinion, which you are entitled to; others have a different one about the man. The law is very clear as to who is qualified to run for president and the drafters removed the only age requirement (minimum age of 35) leaving it wide open for anyone even at the age of 90 or even 100 to vie and it'll be up-to the people to decide. So, if Moi decides to vie again in 2017 at 93, nothing stops him from doing so--and yes that's correct notwithstanding Article 142. |
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Post by Omwenga on Sept 30, 2012 3:00:35 GMT 3
b6k,You can add to the debate by providing your own reasons why you think the good professor "has it" in his piece than yours truly. As for your point of clarification, I sign of as a Kenyan lawyer and political commentator because I am. It make no difference that I no longer actively practice and haven't for years. Would it make the likes of you if I simply signed off as Samuel Omwenga? Do you think that will make the content of what I say less or more analytically accurate or persuasive? You see, these are the irrelevancies people constantly bring up I will never in my life understand why but would appreciate if you can give me an honest answer because I have never put you in the category of those who hate the fact that I am who I am or am as good as I am in what I do. That's not by accident those who hate the fact are better off learning and replicating the same for their own causes and pursuits. Blogging about my beloved country is something I do with passion because it's the least I can do to shape its future; whether I am a lawyer or not, active or not is irrelevant in that equation even though being one is an advantage over many dimwits who can't even debate a comatose toad and I need not mention names here. , as to why the prof is right & you are less so in my view is it effectively encapsulates the current conditions & gives a more realistic analysis of the potential outcomes come election day while tying in a bit of history as well. I like the way he downplays the possibility of Raila's much touted two horse race; a scenario that Raila only forecasts as being between him & Uhuru. Everything points to the very real possibility that both Uhuru & Ruto will not be on the ballot. You do not address this at all, probably due to the fact that you are so close to Raila that you can only tell it as he sees it....aka you are singing the party line. Methinks, however, that you underestimate Musalia at your own peril. (Although the constant tune about Mudavadi being a project is a backhanded way of affirming that he remains a threat even when you say he is not) ;D I also agree that Raila has burned his bridges when it comes to the Kikuyu vote. Although Mutua doesn't mention it in this piece, Raila's dalliance with Maina Njenga's Mungiki has cost him more than he will ever know. Indeed as Mutua states Uhuru needs to be given an honourable exit strategy from the powers that be at state house to encourage him to support Mudavadi's bid for the presidency. If that delicate matter is handled well it is highly likely the TNA vehicle will deliver its support to UDF. When he brings in Ruto & Moi in the piece & alludes to how both may indeed throw their support behind Mudavadi, & not Raila...that ties in with what I hear on the ground. Ditto with Musyoka not standing any real chance in the whole process. Now the bits that you highlighted in your post linking the article probably sound like music to your ears. However, in an election that is said to be one that pits the forces of impunity against the forces of change, is there really an option for change when the big 4 (Raila, Uhuru, Ruto, Mudavadi) are for all intents & purposes just different shades of the status quo? It's just interesting to see how two writers in the diaspora (who both lean towards Raila) can read into what's happening here so differently. Could it be because one is telling it as it is while the other is harping Orange House yarns? Those rides in the PM's limo come at a cost, it seems...the cost of one's objectivity. Over to your signing off. Would it be any less of a description if you said you are a businessman & political commentator residing in the US? Just curious... b6k, I am signing off to enjoy the evening with my clan but would certainly like to respond to your rejoinder at some point if time allows, which I can can say in sum is a well thought out one except for your jab in the end about my objectivity and riding cars. I am actually very objective but the definition of objectivity is an elusive concept even though everyone thinks they know when someone is being objective or not. As for riding in presidential limos, in my memoir--yes, I am in Chapter 3 so far covering my "exploratory" days in Texas when I first landed there through the time I left for Maryland in 1992--anyway, I'll pen when I get to that chapter something about an unknown but extremely key person in the current administration on the PNU side--and by unknown I mean to those who don't know him--anyway this individual is visiting the US and as I often do with certain visitors from Kenya, I have him hope in a stretch limo with a few friends and we go out for an evening of relaxation. I would later meet this individual in Nairobi and he tells me then for the first time how much he really enjoyed the New York evening out and adds that much as he regularly rides with so and so and so and so in their posh cars in Kenya, he never thought there was anything more posh until that time in New York. What was my point...oh, riding in cars... no big deal unless it is. |
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Post by reporter911 on Sept 30, 2012 6:55:07 GMT 3
Quote me with truth not lies Kamalet robo B6K ;D Mudavadi is not the man to watch, wrong.. He is the man they plan to RIG IN.. but they won't be able to.. because central vote will not be enough to get him into statehouse.. Western, Rift Valley and Coast votes are all divided.. he can never get more than 1% even with Uhuru & TNT millions being poured in all this provinces.. WASTE OF MONEY ON MUDAVADI i should add.. but why not make him rich while at it.. rumours are he had many debts to pay. then viola Uhuru's master-card arrived from the thin air ;D let Uhuru use some of the money his father took illegally from Kenyan citizens ama.. before ICC freezes all his accounts.. ama obot 911, unfortunately you disappoint after I was beginning to keenly follow your posts on Mudavadi. Time will tell whether his state hose bid will pan out or not. I suspect he may come closer than many expect. Assuming he would clinch the Central vote, that on it's own right would put him well past the 1% mark, n'est pas? Either you are wrong & he lacks the backing from Central or you're right & he will be more than a 1% candidate. You can't have it both ways, I'm afraid. On to other matters. A viola is a musical instrument. You most likely meant to say the French word voila when you alluded to the sudden arrival of Uhuru's mastercard. Yet another reason, if your hypothesis is right, that Mudavadi will fare a lot better than the mere 1% you project ;D Kamalet Robo foo soldi b6k.. I guess you are trying too hard to count Robot votes from central province for your Uhuru's Protégé which won't pan out.. yes the Uhuru central Robot voters will be counted for Mudavadi I presume one of those votes will be yours truly, but Central province iko na wenyewe .. Martha Karua, Peter Kenneth are not going to be sitting ducks to allow Uhuru's protégé to collect all the central province votes.. they have voters who will not turn Robotic .. bought and paid for by Uhuru & TNT.. yup that is where the the problem lays.. As for the rest of the country.. Uhuru might as well pour his money into a BLACK SINKING HOLE.. no such chance of gunning for his protégé more than 1% in Western Province, Rift Valley & coast province.. Unless he produces some Millions of Dollars previous illegally acquired by his father and pay out some of the presidential candidates Like Ruto, Wamalwa, Peter Kenneth, Martha Karua e.t.c .. It has to be in Millions of $$$$ not Kenya shillings, maybe some of them will agree to be bought ..just maybe His protégé Mudavadi might get 2% here and there but that will not get him a leg into Statehouse.. WHY? because Kenyans don't vote for losers or openly paid for and bought politicians who are controlled by remote control from central province.. Kenyans citizens are not Robot voters.. it seems that trend will start from central province ;D ;D Who could have ever thought that central province in 2013 would produce Robot voters curtsy of Uhuru Kenyatta  ati they are voting for a Luhya guy? wapi.. that is how desperate central province has become..
" THE ROBOCALL'S MAKING ROUNDS IN CENTRAL PROVINCE INCLUDING IN THE DIASPORA WITH THE MESSAGE VOTE FOR MUDAVADI UHURU'S PROTÉGÉ IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN HAVE CONTROL OF STATEHOUSE" has taken flight.. But Most Kenyans in other parts of the country are already away of the plan.. but now a new Robocall is out.. "HOLD YOUR HORSES.. IT IS BETWEEN WAMALWA & MUDAVADI" central province ROBOT VOTERS will be informed who to vote for between the two guys.. No such luck ;D.... none of these two individuals have a chance to get into STATEHOUSE seeing their history unless they are RIGGED IN!!!  I guess Kamale robo foo soldi b6k robot vote will be wasted.. |
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Post by b6k on Sept 30, 2012 8:45:13 GMT 3
Omwenga, there was a very interesting article OO wrote in another blog that talked of the interesting ethnic cleavages (or something to that effect) that cut across the middle class in KE. Do not assume you are the only one who has cows grazing in Luhyaland. I have some there as well as RVP, as well as Central, & even in Luo Nyanza by virtue of how KE has become a massive melting pot (the more reason why PEV was the tragedy it was). I know very few people who are not enjoying the fruits of Mzee's ethnic diversity ;D Is Kenya really a "massive melting pot"? Do a bit of travelling in provinces other that RV ("historical land-issues") and Coast (tourism). In particular, take a very hard look at Central. , kindly read my post again. I never said all of KE is a melting pot but a particular class has been experiencing the melting pot phenomena for many a year. Here the bank balance is more important than the mother tongue or county of origin. |
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Post by b6k on Sept 30, 2012 8:50:30 GMT 3
Robot 911, unfortunately you disappoint after I was beginning to keenly follow your posts on Mudavadi. Time will tell whether his state hose bid will pan out or not. I suspect he may come closer than many expect. Assuming he would clinch the Central vote, that on it's own right would put him well past the 1% mark, n'est pas? Either you are wrong & he lacks the backing from Central or you're right & he will be more than a 1% candidate. You can't have it both ways, I'm afraid. On to other matters. A viola is a musical instrument. You most likely meant to say the French word voila when you alluded to the sudden arrival of Uhuru's mastercard. Yet another reason, if your hypothesis is right, that Mudavadi will fare a lot better than the mere 1% you project ;D Kamalet Robo foo soldi b6k.. I guess you are trying too hard to count Robot votes from central province for your Uhuru's Protégé which won't pan out.. yes the Uhuru central Robot voters will be counted for Mudavadi I presume one of those votes will be yours truly, but Central province iko na wenyewe .. Martha Karua, Peter Kenneth are not going to be sitting ducks to allow Uhuru's protégé to collect all the central province votes.. they have voters who will not turn Robotic .. bought and paid for by Uhuru & TNT.. yup that is where the the problem lays.. As for the rest of the country.. Uhuru might as well pour his money into a BLACK SINKING HOLE.. no such chance of gunning for his protégé more than 1% in Western Province, Rift Valley & coast province.. Unless he produces some Millions of Dollars previous illegally acquired by his father and pay out some of the presidential candidates Like Ruto, Wamalwa, Peter Kenneth, Martha Karua e.t.c .. It has to be in Millions of $$$$ not Kenya shillings, maybe some of them will agree to be bought ..just maybe His protégé Mudavadi might get 2% here and there but that will not get him a leg into Statehouse.. WHY? because Kenyans don't vote for losers or openly paid for and bought politicians who are controlled by remote control from central province.. Kenyans citizens are not Robot voters.. it seems that trend will start from central province ;D ;D Who could have ever thought that central province in 2013 would produce Robot voters curtsy of Uhuru Kenyatta ati they are voting for a Luhya guy? wapi.. that is how desperate central province has become..
" THE ROBOCALL'S MAKING ROUNDS IN CENTRAL PROVINCE INCLUDING IN THE DIASPORA WITH THE MESSAGE VOTE FOR MUDAVADI UHURU'S PROTÉGÉ IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN HAVE CONTROL OF STATEHOUSE" has taken flight.. But Most Kenyans in other parts of the country are already away of the plan.. but now a new Robocall is out.. "HOLD YOUR HORSES.. IT IS BETWEEN WAMALWA & MUDAVADI" central province ROBOT VOTERS will be informed who to vote for between the two guys.. No such luck ;D.... none of these two individuals have a chance to get into STATEHOUSE seeing their history unless they are RIGGED IN!!! I guess Kamale robo foo soldi b6k robot vote will be wasted.. obot 911, if Mudavadi's bid is as doomed as you say then why do you feel the need to sing about it day in & day out? Omwenga, I look forward to hearing your rejoinder... |
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Post by reporter911 on Sept 30, 2012 10:39:18 GMT 3
Kamalet Robo foo soldi b6k.. I guess you are trying too hard to count Robot votes from central province for your Uhuru's Protégé which won't pan out.. yes the Uhuru central Robot voters will be counted for Mudavadi I presume one of those votes will be yours truly, but Central province iko na wenyewe .. Martha Karua, Peter Kenneth are not going to be sitting ducks to allow Uhuru's protégé to collect all the central province votes.. they have voters who will not turn Robotic .. bought and paid for by Uhuru & TNT.. yup that is where the the problem lays.. As for the rest of the country.. Uhuru might as well pour his money into a BLACK SINKING HOLE.. no such chance of gunning for his protégé more than 1% in Western Province, Rift Valley & coast province.. Unless he produces some Millions of Dollars previous illegally acquired by his father and pay out some of the presidential candidates Like Ruto, Wamalwa, Peter Kenneth, Martha Karua e.t.c .. It has to be in Millions of $$$$ not Kenya shillings, maybe some of them will agree to be bought ..just maybe His protégé Mudavadi might get 2% here and there but that will not get him a leg into Statehouse.. WHY? because Kenyans don't vote for losers or openly paid for and bought politicians who are controlled by remote control from central province.. Kenyans citizens are not Robot voters.. it seems that trend will start from central province ;D ;D Who could have ever thought that central province in 2013 would produce Robot voters curtsy of Uhuru Kenyatta ati they are voting for a Luhya guy? wapi.. that is how desperate central province has become..
" THE ROBOCALL'S MAKING ROUNDS IN CENTRAL PROVINCE INCLUDING IN THE DIASPORA WITH THE MESSAGE VOTE FOR MUDAVADI UHURU'S PROTÉGÉ IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN HAVE CONTROL OF STATEHOUSE" has taken flight.. But Most Kenyans in other parts of the country are already away of the plan.. but now a new Robocall is out.. "HOLD YOUR HORSES.. IT IS BETWEEN WAMALWA & MUDAVADI" central province ROBOT VOTERS will be informed who to vote for between the two guys.. No such luck ;D.... none of these two individuals have a chance to get into STATEHOUSE seeing their history unless they are RIGGED IN!!! I guess Kamale robo foo soldi b6k robot vote will be wasted.. obot 911, if Mudavadi's bid is as doomed as you say then why do you feel the need to sing about it day in & day out? Omwenga, I look forward to hearing your rejoinder... Kamalet's robotic foot soldier b6k Why not? isn't it what politics is all about? pointing out where politicians are getting it right or wrong? corrupt politicians, politicians engaged or caught in criminal acts.. or those who bribe or buy votes e.t.c why the hell are you shouting about Raila & IDA day and night? you seem to be having sleepless nights imagining them in STATEHOUSE ama.. ;D Like I indicated.. Robot votes from central province won't get Mudavadi or Wamalwa into Statehouse.. Only rigging could have done the trick .. that is if Kibaki hadn't shown Kenyans that rigging can be done openly and the rigger sworn in the night now that Kenyans know this tricks they won't allow it to happen the second time round.. NO REPEAT OF 2007 BLOODSHED!! |
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Post by Omwenga on Sept 30, 2012 16:14:05 GMT 3
Omwenga, as to why the prof is right & you are less so in my view is it effectively encapsulates the current conditions & gives a more realistic analysis of the potential outcomes come election day while tying in a bit of history as well. My piece is narrowly focused on why Mudavadi is political history, not scenarios under which he may win, which is Makau's piece. Both positions are analytically realistic and if you're talking about which is more realistic than the other, then your political persuasion or leaning would have a bearing on the answer: If you're inclined to believe Raila is the man, you'll find mine to be more realistic, if Mudavadi or someone else is your man or woman, then you'll find Makau's piece more realistic. . I don't know anyone who keenly follows our politics I talk to who doesn't agree this is a race between Raila and Uhuru or Raila and whoever Uhuru fancies to support, if he doesn't go for it himself. And believe me I talk to even well known Raila haters. This remains to be seen but my take is, it's more likely than not that UK will, in fact, run unless Mudavadi comes from the politically dead and becomes competitive enough for Uhuru to support him. Uhuru cannot support anyone else for reasons I need not get into now and even if he did, such an alliance will not be significant enough to derail Raila. Indeed, and oddly but truly so, the only other candidate other than Mudavadi Uhuru can support and make sense is none other than Raila. Again, my piece was narrowly focused on why Mudavadi is politically dead, not scenarios under which he may win and UK was only relevant in my analysis precisely in the manner I have discussed it. Your assertion about I being close to Raila and that somehow because of that I can only tell things as he sees them only goes to tell me you don't understand how politics works. Go through my thousands of blogs and you'll find many instances I have taken a different line of thinking than Raila or ODM. For example, I was the lone wolf on the ICC issue until a few months ago when both Raila and ODM came around to the position I have maintained about ICC and UK and Ruto vying for the presidency. All of you will actually be surprised and even Miguna himself will confirm for you I never take instructions from anyone on what I write or positions I take on anything. As I have said before, Raila and ODM happen to line with my political philosophy and where I find very little I disagree with him. Mudavadi is politically dead for the reasons I stated in the blog. That's not underestimating him; it's merely stating a fact. Does that mean KSG schemers will not try their best, even recklessly or dangerously so to try and have him shoved down our throats? No it doesn't but, as I stated in the blog, Kenyans are wiser this time around they can try that at their own peril. Sooner or later, common sense is going to prevail on everyone that in the new Kenya, there won't be the kind of massive rigging and abuse of the electoral process and government resources to install in office someone the vast majority of voters have rejected--and certainly not anywhere close to what we witnessed and experienced in 2007. That, I am confident, shall come to pass. The person sworn to office in 2013 as our next president shall be one elected in an open and transparent election and, if that is Mudavadi or someone other than Raila, then so be it. All I am saying Raila is the man to beat and will go down in history as the only politician beaten by someone now politically dead and one he previously revived from another political death. Surely, how unlucky and unfortunate can one be were that to be the case? I seriously doubt; in fact, I just don't think that happens unless we are talking about massive rigging and/or a regression to voting entirely based on tribalism, which I doubt for Kenya is and must be less tribal this time around more than ever before. In other words, Kenya will see more split voting in all communities beyond what the constitution minimally requires and it's Raila among all those vying who mostly stands to benefit from that shift in voting pattern. You're here parroting a false narrative created by Raila enemies. Raila has not burned bridges with any community, let alone the Kikuyu community he has significant support in pockets in the area that he is steadily increasing his reach. Just because Ruto and UK lied about Raila and ICC doesn't make it "burning bridges" from any objective viewpoint. Fortunately, the lies have stopped--at least openly and it shouldn't surprise anyone that Ruto and yes, even UK see light and decide to work with Raila. . This is a complex issue not amenable to a rejoinder here. I have been saying this but am soon penning a blog to address it comprehensively. I am soon updating my KSG series to address new information recently learned about what's going on between UK and State House and viz ABR, now being held by the politically dead Mudavadi--again, he may as yet be revived by KSG but that will mean an all-out war hold no hostages decision, given his utter failure to take off as formidable ABR candidate. That may as well be the case but in no way does it stop the Raila train to State House. One thing I like about politics is the fact that one can conjure endless possibilities about anything, including what you have here but, what distinguishes rank amateur from pros when it comes to strategy, is not that one side is wiser and more intelligent than the other, its simply because the winning side always has something the losing side doesn't and that's a knack for making the right calls and moves based on the same information. I agree Musyoka does not stand any chance. The more appropriate metaphor would be listening to my own music as I have been saying the same thing all along. Yes. His name is Raila Amolo Odinga because he does not represent status quo. This is an unnecessary dig. Riding in the PM's limo doesn't influence what I write; get it? Let me re-state this: I will be saying precisely the same thing whether or not I ride with Raila in his limos. You remind me of some old man in somewhere I think Nakuru who was being interviewed by a reporter. The reporter asked the old man how is it possible he's still siring children at his old age to which the old man retorted, "have I asked for your help in this matter?" In the same vein, I have not asked for your help in this matter, namely, how to sign-off on my articles so thanks but no thanks and besides, this is a non-issue I have already actually addressed and need not spend any more time on. |
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Post by gateway on Oct 1, 2012 7:22:52 GMT 3
All the current Presidential candidates are the SAME to me and I never understand why educated people like you MISUSE your brains in trying to find a better one. Gateway, It's called freedom of choice and association. It's none of your business and it never should be who people choose to support or why; that's their individual God given right. That being the case, it goes without saying it's irrelevant whether people are educated or not in exercising that right. You're assuming people are stressed in discussing their preferred or least liked of the presidential candidates; it may be some are but equally the case others are not and even those who are stressed about it, your preferred manner of dealing with stress may not be theirs. Again, this is called freedom of choice. The fact is our next president is going to be someone who's a household name today and that shall be the case for at least the next 5 election circles, so either get used to it or have a steady supply of tobacco to deal with the stress and reality for these "conmen" are not going anywhere for awhile. It may be laughable today but that could easily turn to tears when the person you least like or most hate among the "con-men" assumes office as our next president. You have no way of knowing whether anyone here or anywhere else is using their intellectual muscle to pen a book; in any-case some people are quite capable of doing both and more, namely, blogging here while penning their books. Praising another man daily may be a mental disease but have you paused to wonder whether being concerned about who others praise or don't praise or how frequent when its none of your business whether they do or not is equally a mental disease and in fact, the only one of the two scenarios? See my immediately above comment. That's for the voters to decide as he has made it abundantly clear he's not interested in retiring. Others disagree, including yours truly but you're entitled to your own opinion. Again, this is none of our business; if someone wishes to work to the day they drop dead or wish to pursue politics to that time, its up-to them and the voters. Again, your opinion, which you are entitled to; others have a different one about the man. The law is very clear as to who is qualified to run for president and the drafters removed the only age requirement (minimum age of 35) leaving it wide open for anyone even at the age of 90 or even 100 to vie and it'll be up-to the people to decide. So, if Moi decides to vie again in 2017 at 93, nothing stops him from doing so--and yes that's correct notwithstanding Article 142. Itemo Ndi. (You have really tried). However, I still do not get what you are saying. I guess my IQ is higher/lower than most lawyers. I will fill up my pipe and puff away your desperate reply. Agwambo is a STEAM Engine. We need electric trains in these desperate times. Can we stop the pollution?? Food for thought: Do we want to leave a better planet for our children or do we want to leave better children for our planet? If it's the first one, then we should retire the steam engines. If it's the latter then we MUST stop this unhealthy "people worship". And by the way I do not believe in GOD. I believe in science. I will leave religion to the simple and symbol minded as my "buddy" George Carlin would say. The rights I have are not God-given. Unless God is the Higgs Boson then I may attempt a belief. If it is based on the Fairy-Tale book (The Bible) where snakes talked and people walked on water, then NO. ;D |
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Post by b6k on Oct 1, 2012 8:25:45 GMT 3
My piece is narrowly focused on why Mudavadi is political history, not scenarios under which he may win, which is Makau's piece. Both positions are analytically realistic and if you're talking about which is more realistic than the other, then your political persuasion or leaning would have a bearing on the answer: If you're inclined to believe Raila is the man, you'll find mine to be more realistic, if Mudavadi or someone else is your man or woman, then you'll find Makau's piece more realistic. , that just about sums up why in our case, never the twain (your perspective & mine) shall meet. ;D Regarding your sign off, knock yourself out. In your opinion it's fine to refer to yourself as a lawyer when you are not. In mine that is masquerading. TEHOs oyominto  |
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Post by b6k on Oct 1, 2012 8:29:07 GMT 3
Gateway, It's called freedom of choice and association. It's none of your business and it never should be who people choose to support or why; that's their individual God given right. That being the case, it goes without saying it's irrelevant whether people are educated or not in exercising that right. You're assuming people are stressed in discussing their preferred or least liked of the presidential candidates; it may be some are but equally the case others are not and even those who are stressed about it, your preferred manner of dealing with stress may not be theirs. Again, this is called freedom of choice. The fact is our next president is going to be someone who's a household name today and that shall be the case for at least the next 5 election circles, so either get used to it or have a steady supply of tobacco to deal with the stress and reality for these "conmen" are not going anywhere for awhile. It may be laughable today but that could easily turn to tears when the person you least like or most hate among the "con-men" assumes office as our next president. You have no way of knowing whether anyone here or anywhere else is using their intellectual muscle to pen a book; in any-case some people are quite capable of doing both and more, namely, blogging here while penning their books. Praising another man daily may be a mental disease but have you paused to wonder whether being concerned about who others praise or don't praise or how frequent when its none of your business whether they do or not is equally a mental disease and in fact, the only one of the two scenarios? See my immediately above comment. That's for the voters to decide as he has made it abundantly clear he's not interested in retiring. Others disagree, including yours truly but you're entitled to your own opinion. Again, this is none of our business; if someone wishes to work to the day they drop dead or wish to pursue politics to that time, its up-to them and the voters. Again, your opinion, which you are entitled to; others have a different one about the man. The law is very clear as to who is qualified to run for president and the drafters removed the only age requirement (minimum age of 35) leaving it wide open for anyone even at the age of 90 or even 100 to vie and it'll be up-to the people to decide. So, if Moi decides to vie again in 2017 at 93, nothing stops him from doing so--and yes that's correct notwithstanding Article 142. Itemo Ndi. (You have really tried). However, I still do not get what you are saying. I guess my IQ is higher/lower than most lawyers. I will fill up my pipe and puff away your desperate reply. Agwambo is a STEAM Engine. We need electric trains in these desperate times. Can we stop the pollution?? Food for thought: Do we want to leave a better planet for our children or do we want to leave better children for our planet? If it's the first one, then we should retire the steam engines. If it's the latter then we MUST stop this unhealthy "people worship". And by the way I do not believe in GOD. I believe in science. I will leave religion to the simple and symbol minded as my "buddy" George Carlin would say. The rights I have are not God-given. Unless God is the Higgs Boson then I may attempt a belief. If it is based on the Fairy-Tale book (The Bible) where snakes talked and people walked on water, then NO. ;D Agwambo is a steam engine when we need electric trains. ;D ;D ;D WOW!!! QED bwana Gateway |
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