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Post by gateway on Oct 2, 2012 23:54:05 GMT 3
Now that you DRAG your father (family) into this to explain your goodness, is it okay if I ask if it's the same parents that taught you to constantly PARROT about Agwambo and rant against his opponents? I am just thinking LOUD. I tend to think deep. George Bush Jr was also brought up with christian values and just look at the width of his brain when it came to political issues. He went down in history as one of the dumbest leaders. Gateway,I am way above your type both intellectually and otherwise. Kindly find someone your level to exchange at this level of brainless discourse. Thank you. Is it your parents who also taught you to be condescending? I am just thinking LOUD again. I thought you were just praising how good they raised you. I doubt if you really returned the Mexican wallet full of money. I really doubt it. If you are not praising Raila then you are either busy praising yourself or your parents. Join the Praise and Worship team in your local church. ;D Anyway, I am just a mosquito biting the elephant's ears. I see each time I bite you flap your BIG ears. People have kept you busy today that you forgot to PARROT about your EMPTY Debe aka Agwambo. ;D I am struggling to find anything INTELLECTUAL and BRAIN-FULL in your PARROTING. That's why I keep talking to you thru videos. I honestly think you are just a STIFF-NECKED/NAKED fool ;D ;D
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Post by reporter911 on Oct 3, 2012 1:13:44 GMT 3
Gateway,I am way above your type both intellectually and otherwise. Kindly find someone your level to exchange at this level of brainless discourse. Thank you. Is it your parents who also taught you to be condescending? I am just thinking LOUD again. I thought you were just praising how good they raised you. I doubt if you really returned the Mexican wallet full of money. I really doubt it. If you are not praising Raila then you are either busy praising yourself or your parents. Join the Praise and Worship team in your local church. ;D Anyway, I am just a mosquito biting the elephant's ears. I see each time I bite you flap your BIG ears. People have kept you busy today that you forgot to PARROT about your EMPTY Debe aka Agwambo. ;D I am struggling to find anything INTELLECTUAL and BRAIN-FULL in your PARROTING. That's why I keep talking to you thru videos. I honestly think you are just a STIFF-NECKED/NAKED fool ;D ;D Omwenga.. don't bother addressing this pathetic human thing, flap it away like a fly that has nowhere to land ;D Meanwhile back to Politic's Uhuru's other protégé Wamalwa is having problems landing the so called paid for Robotic voters Ford-Kenya and New Ford-Kenya parties are digging in for a bruising battle for control of Bungoma and Trans Nzoia counties after unity talks between them collapsed.
Trade Minister Moses Wetang’ula and his Justice counterpart Eugene Wamalwa’s short-lived truce was torpedoed by what many observers say was suspicion and intense pressure from loyalists. (READ: Wamalwa questions Mudavadi's track record)Had they been successful, the talks would have seen the two parties carry out joint primaries in the elections. Mr Wetang’ula said the talks failed because their partners were only interested in public posturing. “...we realised it was an exercise in futility because the other side was not serious,’’ Mr Wetang’ula said on phone on Tuesday. Those in New Ford-K on the other hand said they were not the originators of the merger talks and that they are confident theirs was the popular party. This means the Ford siblings will approach next year’s elections as bitter rivals. And if the recent by-elections in two Trans Nzoia wards are anything to go by, this competition may be a very nasty affair. The two shared the spoils in the tightly contested Kaptega and Kapkoi wards. There are those who saw the contest ending in a draw but both parties are putting a spin to it. Ford-K points to the fact that the two seats were in Trans Nzoia, the home county of Mr Wamalwa. That Ford-K was not knocked out shows it is a major player in the region. Mr Wamalwa, on the other hand, said both seats were in the hands of Ford-K and the fact that his party clinched one shows it is on the ascend. Mr Wamalwa has New Ford-K’s influence grow, winning two consecutive civic by-elections in Bungoma and the recent one in Trans Nzoia. Mr Wamalwa’s high profile role in the G7 alliance and his promotion to the Cabinet have been instrumental in this regard. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Supremacy+battle+after+Ford+K+parties+talks+collapse/-/1064/1523632/-/v3xjbnz/-/index.htmland least people forget.... The National Alliance (TNA) presidential flag-bearer Mr Uhuru Kenyatta curiously dispatched Justice Minister Eugene Wamalwa to lead his rally despite the latter claiming he too is in the big race. The Deputy Prime Minister’s move revived speculation that the New Ford-Kenya member, who played the prominent role of master of ceremonies during Uhuru’s launch of TNA, is Kenyatta’s running mate to be unveiled at an appropriate time. So when exactly did Wamalwa move from being a vice a TNT deputy president- elect to being a New Ford-K’s presidential candidate? Luhya's are being hoodwinked!! they better wake up .. WAMALWA IS A "TNT' DEPUTY PRESIDENT ELECT IN WAITING.. IF THE RUMOURS ARE TRUE.. LET FACTS BE KNOWN.. WESTERN KENYAN BETTER BE CAREFUL OF THOSE WHO COME IN CARRYING POISONED GIFTS
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Post by gateway on Oct 3, 2012 1:30:49 GMT 3
Is it your parents who also taught you to be condescending? I am just thinking LOUD again. I thought you were just praising how good they raised you. I doubt if you really returned the Mexican wallet full of money. I really doubt it. If you are not praising Raila then you are either busy praising yourself or your parents. Join the Praise and Worship team in your local church. ;D Anyway, I am just a mosquito biting the elephant's ears. I see each time I bite you flap your BIG ears. People have kept you busy today that you forgot to PARROT about your EMPTY Debe aka Agwambo. ;D I am struggling to find anything INTELLECTUAL and BRAIN-FULL in your PARROTING. That's why I keep talking to you thru videos. I honestly think you are just a STIFF-NECKED/NAKED fool ;D ;D Omwenga.. don't bother addressing this pathetic human thing, flap it away like a fly that has nowhere to land ;D Meanwhile back to Politic's Uhuru's other protégé Wamalwa is having problems landing the so called paid for Robotic voters Ford-Kenya and New Ford-Kenya parties are digging in for a bruising battle for control of Bungoma and Trans Nzoia counties after unity talks between them collapsed.
Trade Minister Moses Wetang’ula and his Justice counterpart Eugene Wamalwa’s short-lived truce was torpedoed by what many observers say was suspicion and intense pressure from loyalists. (READ: Wamalwa questions Mudavadi's track record)Had they been successful, the talks would have seen the two parties carry out joint primaries in the elections. Mr Wetang’ula said the talks failed because their partners were only interested in public posturing. “...we realised it was an exercise in futility because the other side was not serious,’’ Mr Wetang’ula said on phone on Tuesday. Those in New Ford-K on the other hand said they were not the originators of the merger talks and that they are confident theirs was the popular party. This means the Ford siblings will approach next year’s elections as bitter rivals. And if the recent by-elections in two Trans Nzoia wards are anything to go by, this competition may be a very nasty affair. The two shared the spoils in the tightly contested Kaptega and Kapkoi wards. There are those who saw the contest ending in a draw but both parties are putting a spin to it. Ford-K points to the fact that the two seats were in Trans Nzoia, the home county of Mr Wamalwa. That Ford-K was not knocked out shows it is a major player in the region. Mr Wamalwa, on the other hand, said both seats were in the hands of Ford-K and the fact that his party clinched one shows it is on the ascend. Mr Wamalwa has New Ford-K’s influence grow, winning two consecutive civic by-elections in Bungoma and the recent one in Trans Nzoia. Mr Wamalwa’s high profile role in the G7 alliance and his promotion to the Cabinet have been instrumental in this regard. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Supremacy+battle+after+Ford+K+parties+talks+collapse/-/1064/1523632/-/v3xjbnz/-/index.htmland least people forget.... The National Alliance (TNA) presidential flag-bearer Mr Uhuru Kenyatta curiously dispatched Justice Minister Eugene Wamalwa to lead his rally despite the latter claiming he too is in the big race. The Deputy Prime Minister’s move revived speculation that the New Ford-Kenya member, who played the prominent role of master of ceremonies during Uhuru’s launch of TNA, is Kenyatta’s running mate to be unveiled at an appropriate time. So when exactly did Wamalwa move from being a vice a TNT deputy president- elect to being a New Ford-K’s presidential candidate? Luhya's are being hoodwinked!! they better wake up .. WAMALWA IS A "TNT' DEPUTY PRESIDENT ELECT IN WAITING.. IF THE RUMOURS ARE TRUE.. LET FACTS BE KNOWN.. WESTERN KENYAN BETTER BE CAREFUL OF THOSE WHO COME IN CARRYING POISONED GIFTS Agwambo aka EMPTY DEBE wins in the Opinion Polls but loses in the elections. That's really CUTE. ;D
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Post by reporter911 on Oct 3, 2012 1:54:54 GMT 3
Omwenga.. don't bother addressing this pathetic human thing, flap it away like a fly that has nowhere to land ;D Meanwhile back to Politic's Uhuru's other protégé Wamalwa is having problems landing the so called paid for Robotic voters Ford-Kenya and New Ford-Kenya parties are digging in for a bruising battle for control of Bungoma and Trans Nzoia counties after unity talks between them collapsed.
Trade Minister Moses Wetang’ula and his Justice counterpart Eugene Wamalwa’s short-lived truce was torpedoed by what many observers say was suspicion and intense pressure from loyalists. (READ: Wamalwa questions Mudavadi's track record)Had they been successful, the talks would have seen the two parties carry out joint primaries in the elections. Mr Wetang’ula said the talks failed because their partners were only interested in public posturing. “...we realised it was an exercise in futility because the other side was not serious,’’ Mr Wetang’ula said on phone on Tuesday. Those in New Ford-K on the other hand said they were not the originators of the merger talks and that they are confident theirs was the popular party. This means the Ford siblings will approach next year’s elections as bitter rivals. And if the recent by-elections in two Trans Nzoia wards are anything to go by, this competition may be a very nasty affair. The two shared the spoils in the tightly contested Kaptega and Kapkoi wards. There are those who saw the contest ending in a draw but both parties are putting a spin to it. Ford-K points to the fact that the two seats were in Trans Nzoia, the home county of Mr Wamalwa. That Ford-K was not knocked out shows it is a major player in the region. Mr Wamalwa, on the other hand, said both seats were in the hands of Ford-K and the fact that his party clinched one shows it is on the ascend. Mr Wamalwa has New Ford-K’s influence grow, winning two consecutive civic by-elections in Bungoma and the recent one in Trans Nzoia. Mr Wamalwa’s high profile role in the G7 alliance and his promotion to the Cabinet have been instrumental in this regard. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Supremacy+battle+after+Ford+K+parties+talks+collapse/-/1064/1523632/-/v3xjbnz/-/index.htmland least people forget.... The National Alliance (TNA) presidential flag-bearer Mr Uhuru Kenyatta curiously dispatched Justice Minister Eugene Wamalwa to lead his rally despite the latter claiming he too is in the big race. The Deputy Prime Minister’s move revived speculation that the New Ford-Kenya member, who played the prominent role of master of ceremonies during Uhuru’s launch of TNA, is Kenyatta’s running mate to be unveiled at an appropriate time. So when exactly did Wamalwa move from being a vice a TNT deputy president- elect to being a New Ford-K’s presidential candidate? Luhya's are being hoodwinked!! they better wake up .. WAMALWA IS A "TNT' DEPUTY PRESIDENT ELECT IN WAITING.. IF THE RUMOURS ARE TRUE.. LET FACTS BE KNOWN.. WESTERN KENYAN BETTER BE CAREFUL OF THOSE WHO COME IN CARRYING POISONED GIFTS Agwambo aka EMPTY DEBE wins in the Opinion Polls but loses in the elections. That's really CUTE. ;D Look at him! trying to shine in the colours of the ODM party that brought him back from the dead to being relevant in 2007.. Meanwhile back to Political Eulogy of Wycliff Musalia Mudavadiwhat a joker? unbelievable.. was he threatened ? No statehouse unless tow the line? this Mudavadi guy seems to be sliding deeper into nowhere.. www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000067464&story_title=Mudavadi-wants-ICC-cases-tried-locallyNo wonder Western Province people are furious.. no need to blame them having a person like Uhuru's protégé Mudavadi masquerading in their mist.. Lakini .. Mudavadi is a none starter.. why not let him enjoy the ride and $$$$$$ to nowhere
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Post by mank on Oct 3, 2012 4:17:10 GMT 3
Mudavadi, the man I have always said should personally have a case to answer on the violence, now claims that we Kenyans are the guilty party. Here. I am sure we will be hearing more soon, from the man and others.
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Post by reporter911 on Oct 3, 2012 4:45:12 GMT 3
Mudavadi, the man I have always said should personally have a case to answer on the violence, now claims that we Kenyans are the guilty party. Here. I am sure we will be hearing more soon, from the man and others. YUP!! ISN'T SHOCKING THAT NOW UHURU'S PROTÉGÉ MUDAVADI BLAMES ALL KENYA CITIZENS FOR THE "PEV"? WHICH SEWER DID THIS SALE-OUT CRAWL FROM. INSULTING KENYAN CITIZENS WON'T GET HIM INTO STATEHOUSE OR MAYBE THERE IS A STATEHOUSE IN CENTRAL PROVINCE.. BURE KABISAIF MUDAVADI WAS INVOLVED IN THE "PEV" LET HIM STAND UP..AND BE COUNTED ICC IS WAITING AMA?
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Post by kamalet on Oct 3, 2012 8:53:36 GMT 3
To Kamale:Well, how do you respond to Omwenga's complaint? Mind you, if Omwenga sues you, he MUST also sue Jukwaa (read Onyango Oloo in his capacity as the Administrator). Onyango Oloo Jukwaa Administrator To Kamale:Well, how do you respond to Omwenga's complaint? Mind you, if Omwenga sues you, he MUST also sue Jukwaa (read Onyango Oloo in his capacity as the Administrator). Onyango Oloo Jukwaa Administrator Oloo, I am surprised that one who is quick to call people idiots and morons would have the nerve to complain to the administrator about being called to his own behaviour. I once told someone that the law is written in english and if one went to school, there is nothing one cannot understand. I gave Omwenga definitions for the words defamation and crime and if he is still not able to discern what I meant, then he must go ahead and do what he wishes. What I will not accept is a foul mouthed individual who when called to account thinks he can get away by threatening that he would sue! As they say, if you cannot stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Perhaps to put it perspective here is what this saint wrote of another person. Stuff that is plainly actionable and which should have had you worried a lot more than about me!!: I will not respond to any of these morons, haters and losers anymore other than posting this auto reply but will continue with what I do best and that is discussing important issues that affect our country. For those reading from this uncouth character Mohamed Warsama, here is what you should know about the idiot and pathetic loser; new information is added at the end of the list: 1. He’s an old lonely man whose wife left him and took off with the children because he could not take care of them and now a real man is doing that with her help.2. He’s poor and destitute in old age and projects his anger and misery on virtually anyone on site. 3. He hates Raila and spends all his waking time spreading lies and hate filled posts about the PM. 4. By extension, he hates Luos and spends most of his time posting hate speech against all Luos. 5. Before flip-flopping and starting hating Raila and Luos, he was doing the same thing with Kikuyus, spreading hate filled lies and posts about them. 6. If he is not spending time posting hate-filled posts against one tribe or another or against Raila, he is busy sympathizing with Al Shabaab and trying to incite Muslims against Christians.7. He never went beyond Form 2, even though he was buslifted from Somalia to Kenya early on in his life and bribed his way from a newspaper hawker to a reporter for Daily Nation from where he was terminated for old age and now calls himself a retired journalist.8. He cherishes digging into people's personal lives in the hopes of finding things to smear them with just so he can feel better in his miserable retirement. 9. For the old man he is--at least in his late 60s, he uses foul language and hurls insults no old person his age and normal should ever use and they don't. 10. He will say and do anything for small amounts of money, even 100 bob, which is what he must be paid for every nasty, hateful post against Raila. 11. He is a man without any principles and is only driven by hate and jealousy. 12. He wears adult diapers and people who have been around him say he stinks because he doesn’t change those diapers for hours after pooping on them which is not surprising because he equally stinks on these forums as well.13. For someone who has lived in Mombasa for more than 20 years since he was terminated from DN for displaying symptoms of old age even though he was not of retirement such as accidental pooping and peeing on himself, he speaks Swahili with heavy Somali accent one can hardly understand him, not that it’s necessary for what he says is worth listening to, let alone understanding. 14. He has not friends or relatives and counts on the Mombasa City Mortuary where he worked as a mortuary attendant after retirement to pick his remains and dump on the ground never to be seen or heard again and good riddance that day shall be. 15. He is on notice I’ll soon sue him for defamation and each defamatory statement he makes about me is a count in a libel suit and each repetition is a new count as well. The moron has racked up enough counts I am sure the case will set a record in the number of counts against him for which he shall be held liable for he has no defense.16. The moron brags he can defame with impunity because he is penniless and that therefore he cannot be forced to pay anything on a judgment against him but little does the moron know the house he inherited from his mother and only asset he has will be auctioned off with proceeds going to cover the judgment. 17. The moron is also on notice proceeds from the judgment beyond expenses will be donated to charity for this lawsuit is more about teaching this moron and others a lesson you cannot defame people at will and expect to get away with it simply because you neither have a reputation nor ever will. 18. He is, in other words, a loser no one should pay any attention to what he says except for those who equally hate yours truly or Raila, in which case they can have an orgy enjoying the filth from this pathetic moron and loser for all I care, but do care about the defamation and will have the moron pay for it. Peace, Unity and Truth Omwenga. If you are worried about being sued....here is one right out of Omwenga's mouth when writing about Warsame: " ....he is busy sympathizing with Al Shabaab and trying to incite Muslims against Christians." Now under the Communications Act, this is not only criminal to associate a person with crime via the internet (and this includes SMS messages) but also actionable against you as the forum owner. Check the new rules and you might want to be having a word with Omenga rather than me! I am frankly surprised that you would let him get away with the filth that has had people previously banished without any defence! Kamale's crime (oh! that word again!) was to do this for the sake of decorum in Jukwaa: Omwenga Many people who google your name have seen your picture and know that you are not a young man considering when you graduated from Rutgers. When you degenerate into talking of grown men in their sixties wearing diapers and not even changing them, you quickly rule yourself out of the decorum of Jukwaa. You asked Joblesscorner to leave out the "trash" written about you outside of Jukwaa and you quickly join the mud fight by bringing your own trash here. Unless you can back up your comments about Warsama however despicable you think he is, you owe Jukwaa and it's members an apology for the rubbish you brought here. We all know that you do not have a practising licence for the simple reason you were disbarred in the US from practicing for whatever wrong you did to your clients. The only thing you are granted is that disbarment does not take away your brains and allows you to continue thinking and writing as a rational man. You leave yourself very little credit I am afraid. As I am not sure Omwenga even cared to tell you what he considered actionable in his complaint to you, here is what I told him: Omwenga Please do not attempt a spin on your unfortunate life history. You were disbarred for crimes you committed against your clients and not because you run off from practise. We know why you run off.....your clients literary run you out of practising!I seriously thought you would see the fault of your ways on the Warsama saga, but you are such a dimwit you could hardly ever see any help coming your way! I hope you feel quite grown up after that diatribe....... His threats of suing me for defamation arise from that statement highlighted above, and despite my best efforts to help the man from himself, i.e. helping him with the meaning of the word defamation or even crime, I would have thought that he will see the folly of his ways and let the matter be as I did. If Omwenga wishes to sue, all I can say is that a fool and his money are soon parted, and I shall defend myself.
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Post by reporter911 on Oct 3, 2012 9:15:35 GMT 3
To Kamale:Well, how do you respond to Omwenga's complaint? Mind you, if Omwenga sues you, he MUST also sue Jukwaa (read Onyango Oloo in his capacity as the Administrator). Onyango Oloo Jukwaa Administrator Oloo, I am surprised that one who is quick to call people idiots and morons would have the nerve to complain to the administrator about being called to his own behaviour. I once told someone that the law is written in english and if one went to school, there is nothing one cannot understand. I gave Omwenga definitions for the words defamation and crime and if he is still not able to discern what I meant, then he must go ahead and do what he wishes. What I will not accept is a foul mouthed individual who when called to account thinks he can get away by threatening that he would sue! As they say, if you cannot stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Perhaps to put it perspective here is what this saint wrote of another person. Stuff that is plainly actionable and which should have had you worried a lot more than about me!!: If you are worried about being sued....here is one right out of Omwenga's mouth when writing about Warsame: " ....he is busy sympathizing with Al Shabaab and trying to incite Muslims against Christians." Now under the Communications Act, this is not only criminal to associate a person with crime via the internet (and this includes SMS messages) but also actionable against you as the forum owner. Check the new rules and you might want to be having a word with Omenga rather than me! I am frankly surprised that you would let him get away with the filth that has had people previously banished without any defence! Kamale's crime (oh! that word again!) was to do this for the sake of decorum in Jukwaa: As I am not sure Omwenga even cared to tell you what he considered actionable in his complaint to you, here is what I told him: Omwenga Please do not attempt a spin on your unfortunate life history. You were disbarred for crimes you committed against your clients and not because you run off from practise. We know why you run off.....your clients literary run you out of practising!I seriously thought you would see the fault of your ways on the Warsama saga, but you are such a dimwit you could hardly ever see any help coming your way! I hope you feel quite grown up after that diatribe....... His threats of suing me for defamation arise from that statement highlighted above, and despite my best efforts to help the man from himself, i.e. helping him with the meaning of the word defamation or even crime, I would have thought that he will see the folly of his ways and let the matter be as I did. If Omwenga wishes to sue, all I can say is that a fool and his money are soon parted, and I shall defend myself. ;D ;D Let the best man win.. the courts in Kenya are on stand by.. I guess if warsama wanted to Sue Omwenga I guess he can take all information posted on Jukwaa and sue Omwenga by himself.. if indeed what Omwenga posted about him is untrue.. that is his right.
But if Kamalet Defamed Omwenga then Omwenga has a right to sue him for defamation of his character.. Kamalet is not Warsame so he can't speak for Warsama.. let each individual stand alone on what they have said about the other and defend or sue each other individually ama?
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Post by kamalet on Oct 3, 2012 9:23:53 GMT 3
Kamale, go easy on Omwenga. The way he is adamant about the criminality (or lack thereof) of his deeds I am beginning to imagine you are walking into a legalese trap. The fact is, in the eyes of the law misappropriation of (clients) funds may not be a criminal offence but may be an ethical one. This is why a lawyer who dabbles in the habit of "eating" out of his client accounts can be disbarred, for say 5 years, re-apply to the bar, & after having paid a fine or two be re-admitted. An embarrassing slap on the wrist for sure, but nothing permanent. Unless Omwange's disbarment is of the permanent kind a la Otieno Kajwang, you may find yourself indeed paying for it as you have been warned. Here is a layman's definition of misappropriation: "A dictionary definition of misappropriation of funds is the intentional, illegal use of the property or funds of another person for one's own use or other unauthorized purpose, particularly by a public official, a trustee of a trust, an executor or administrator of a dead person's estate, or by any person with a responsibility to care for and protect another's assets (a fiduciary duty). In short, misappropriation of funds is defined as fraudulent use of funds - money - by a person, persons, entity or entities, other than their legal or rightful owner. The quick synonym is theft." wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_definition_of_misappropriation_of_funds B6k If you read all I have written, I have not suggested that Omwenga misappropriated any of his clients' money. I have actually read extensively about his cases and if anything his problem was a lot more to do with client neglect in some immigration case than anything else and for that crime he was disbarred. That is why I said that he was run out of practising by his clients! For now I will leave the dufus to himself. He has too many problems!
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Post by kamalet on Oct 3, 2012 9:30:23 GMT 3
;D ;D Let the best man win.. the courts in Kenya are on stand by.. I guess if warsama wanted to Sue Omwenga I guess he can take all information posted on Jukwaa and sue Omwenga by himself.. if indeed what Omwenga posted about him is untrue.. that is his right.
But if Kamalet Defamed Omwenga then Omwenga has a right to sue him for defamation of his character.. Kamalet is not Warsame so he can't speak for Warsama.. let each individual stand alone on what they have said about the other and defend or sue each other individually ama? If I were you, and at this time of the night where you are, I would find something more interesting to do.....
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Post by reporter911 on Oct 3, 2012 9:44:47 GMT 3
;D ;D Let the best man win.. the courts in Kenya are on stand by.. I guess if warsama wanted to Sue Omwenga I guess he can take all information posted on Jukwaa and sue Omwenga by himself.. if indeed what Omwenga posted about him is untrue.. that is his right.
But if Kamalet Defamed Omwenga then Omwenga has a right to sue him for defamation of his character.. Kamalet is not Warsame so he can't speak for Warsama.. let each individual stand alone on what they have said about the other and defend or sue each other individually ama? If I were you, and at this time of the night where you are, I would find something more interesting to do..... Ha!ha! you are weird.. Now you want to know which part of the world I'm this moment? why not ask those you keep asking where jukwaa members reside? bure kabisa.. Let the Kenya courts rule on the defamation of character ama ;D ;D or are you going to copy and paste more references from Wikipedia or google yani you are a briefcase lawyer.. ;D
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Post by kamalet on Oct 3, 2012 9:46:36 GMT 3
If I were you, and at this time of the night where you are, I would find something more interesting to do..... Ha!ha! you are weird.. Now you want to know which part of the world I'm this moment? why not ask those you keep asking where jukwaa members reside? bure kabisa.. Let the Kenya courts rule on the defamation of character ama ;D ;D or are you going to copy and paste more references from Wikipedia or google yani you are a briefcase lawyer.. ;D I am not trying to find out where you are....I know where you are and what time it is. Scared?
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Post by Omwenga on Oct 3, 2012 9:46:41 GMT 3
Kamale, go easy on Omwenga. The way he is adamant about the criminality (or lack thereof) of his deeds I am beginning to imagine you are walking into a legalese trap. The fact is, in the eyes of the law misappropriation of (clients) funds may not be a criminal offence but may be an ethical one. This is why a lawyer who dabbles in the habit of "eating" out of his client accounts can be disbarred, for say 5 years, re-apply to the bar, & after having paid a fine or two be re-admitted. An embarrassing slap on the wrist for sure, but nothing permanent. Unless Omwange's disbarment is of the permanent kind a la Otieno Kajwang, you may find yourself indeed paying for it as you have been warned. Here is a layman's definition of misappropriation: "A dictionary definition of misappropriation of funds is the intentional, illegal use of the property or funds of another person for one's own use or other unauthorized purpose, particularly by a public official, a trustee of a trust, an executor or administrator of a dead person's estate, or by any person with a responsibility to care for and protect another's assets (a fiduciary duty). In short, misappropriation of funds is defined as fraudulent use of funds - money - by a person, persons, entity or entities, other than their legal or rightful owner. The quick synonym is theft." wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_definition_of_misappropriation_of_funds B6k If you read all I have written, I have not suggested that Omwenga misappropriated any of his clients' money. I have actually read extensively about his cases and if anything his problem was a lot more to do with client neglect in some immigration case than anything else and for that crime he was disbarred. That is why I said that he was run out of practising by his clients! For now I will leave the dufus to himself. He has too many problems! You moron Kamale client neglect is not a crime therefore this is yet another defamation statement about me and an independent count in a defamation suit. Keep racking them and each time you repeat the defamatory statement is an independent count. At the rate you're going, I will sue you and easily prevail because all I need to do is id your behind, which I can with ease as well and file these statements as proof of your defamation. You have no defense for any as any lawyer who knows anything about defamation law will tell you. I am sure you think hiding behind a handle will shield you but you're sadly mistaken and neither are you if you think you're judgement-proof, meaning too poor to worry about any judgment; I'll garnish whatever miserable wages you earn and enforce the judgment to the tilt. As I have told a couple of other defamers you'll likely be co-defendants with when I file the case, other than actual costs of litigating the cases, all monies from the judgment I'll donate to charity for this is not about money for me but vindicating my right and protecting my reputation. I know morons like you have none, meaning no reputation that's why you defame but you shall pay the price your arrogantly thinking you're untouchable or somehow immune notwithstanding. My last communication from me on this here.
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Post by reporter911 on Oct 3, 2012 9:53:25 GMT 3
Ha!ha! you are weird.. Now you want to know which part of the world I'm this moment? why not ask those you keep asking where jukwaa members reside? bure kabisa.. Let the Kenya courts rule on the defamation of character ama ;D ;D or are you going to copy and paste more references from Wikipedia or google yani you are a briefcase lawyer.. ;D I am not trying to find out where you are....I know where you are and what time it is. Scared? You wish.. Keep searching .. Most Kenyans now know who you are and what kind of work you do.. that is the beauty of Jukwaa members who are not scared of your big mouth and insults.. do you really sincerely think you scare anyone on Jukwaa? a bully is what you are and most bullies are known to be weaklings trying to be noticed pole sana.. go look for a lawyer.. Keep defaming Omwenga then trying to spin it for B6K won't work..too arrogant to apologize ama? bure Kabisa..
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Post by b6k on Oct 3, 2012 10:02:24 GMT 3
Kamale, go easy on Omwenga. The way he is adamant about the criminality (or lack thereof) of his deeds I am beginning to imagine you are walking into a legalese trap. The fact is, in the eyes of the law misappropriation of (clients) funds may not be a criminal offence but may be an ethical one. This is why a lawyer who dabbles in the habit of "eating" out of his client accounts can be disbarred, for say 5 years, re-apply to the bar, & after having paid a fine or two be re-admitted. An embarrassing slap on the wrist for sure, but nothing permanent. Unless Omwange's disbarment is of the permanent kind a la Otieno Kajwang, you may find yourself indeed paying for it as you have been warned. Here is a layman's definition of misappropriation: "A dictionary definition of misappropriation of funds is the intentional, illegal use of the property or funds of another person for one's own use or other unauthorized purpose, particularly by a public official, a trustee of a trust, an executor or administrator of a dead person's estate, or by any person with a responsibility to care for and protect another's assets (a fiduciary duty). In short, misappropriation of funds is defined as fraudulent use of funds - money - by a person, persons, entity or entities, other than their legal or rightful owner. The quick synonym is theft." wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_definition_of_misappropriation_of_funds B6k If you read all I have written, I have not suggested that Omwenga misappropriated any of his clients' money. I have actually read extensively about his cases and if anything his problem was a lot more to do with client neglect in some immigration case than anything else and for that crime he was disbarred. That is why I said that he was run out of practising by his clients! For now I will leave the dufus to himself. He has too many problems! Kamale, For the record I brought up the misappropriation having also taken the time to read the charges against him that led to his being disbarred. Omwenga has since given a lengthy explanation for the alleged misappropriation. That line of defense did not fly with the ABA but as he explained, he is still appealing it. I wish him well... The slippery slope you potentially risk sliding into is when you said his acts or omissions were criminal. I am not a lawyer & although I would agree it is wrong to dip your hands in the cookie jar (the clients kitty) or to neglect their cases, I don't think those are criminal matters per se. They are ethical blunders/oversights which he is already paying for by having his Bar Card revoked.
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Post by Omwenga on Oct 3, 2012 10:07:47 GMT 3
To Kamale:Well, how do you respond to Omwenga's complaint? Mind you, if Omwenga sues you, he MUST also sue Jukwaa (read Onyango Oloo in his capacity as the Administrator). Onyango Oloo Jukwaa Administrator Oloo, I am surprised that one who is quick to call people idiots and morons would have the nerve to complain to the administrator about being called to his own behaviour. I once told someone that the law is written in english and if one went to school, there is nothing one cannot understand. I gave Omwenga definitions for the words defamation and crime and if he is still not able to discern what I meant, then he must go ahead and do what he wishes. What I will not accept is a foul mouthed individual who when called to account thinks he can get away by threatening that he would sue! As they say, if you cannot stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Perhaps to put it perspective here is what this saint wrote of another person. Stuff that is plainly actionable and which should have had you worried a lot more than about me!!: If you are worried about being sued....here is one right out of Omwenga's mouth when writing about Warsame: " ....he is busy sympathizing with Al Shabaab and trying to incite Muslims against Christians." Now under the Communications Act, this is not only criminal to associate a person with crime via the internet (and this includes SMS messages) but also actionable against you as the forum owner. Check the new rules and you might want to be having a word with Omenga rather than me! I am frankly surprised that you would let him get away with the filth that has had people previously banished without any defence! Kamale's crime (oh! that word again!) was to do this for the sake of decorum in Jukwaa: As I am not sure Omwenga even cared to tell you what he considered actionable in his complaint to you, here is what I told him: Omwenga Please do not attempt a spin on your unfortunate life history. You were disbarred for crimes you committed against your clients and not because you run off from practise. We know why you run off.....your clients literary run you out of practising!I seriously thought you would see the fault of your ways on the Warsama saga, but you are such a dimwit you could hardly ever see any help coming your way! I hope you feel quite grown up after that diatribe....... His threats of suing me for defamation arise from that statement highlighted above, and despite my best efforts to help the man from himself, i.e. helping him with the meaning of the word defamation or even crime, I would have thought that he will see the folly of his ways and let the matter be as I did. If Omwenga wishes to sue, all I can say is that a fool and his money are soon parted, and I shall defend myself. You moron Kamale I have previously told others if you see me call you or anyone a moron, then that's precisely because you are and if there was any doubt in any one's mind, here is proof when you moronically think you can tell me, a lawyer who has both successfully sued and defended defamation cases, what the meaning of defamation is. That's not only laughable, it's classic moronic thinking. It's doubly moronic to think it's a defense in a defamation suit to claim that the victim has defamed others. Totally irrelevant. You defame, you pay; simple as that. OO, because this moron has refused to withdraw his defamatory statement and is instead moronically doubling down and has actually committed new defamation as he does so, I assume you'll do the necessary.
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Post by Omwenga on Oct 3, 2012 10:20:25 GMT 3
;D ;D Let the best man win.. the courts in Kenya are on stand by.. I guess if warsama wanted to Sue Omwenga I guess he can take all information posted on Jukwaa and sue Omwenga by himself.. if indeed what Omwenga posted about him is untrue.. that is his right.
But if Kamalet Defamed Omwenga then Omwenga has a right to sue him for defamation of his character.. Kamalet is not Warsame so he can't speak for Warsama.. let each individual stand alone on what they have said about the other and defend or sue each other individually ama? R911,You're right on. The only thing is, Warsame himself has never denied any of what I have said other than saying I should correct the amount of money he gets paid he now claims is Kshs 10,000 for his smears, not 100 bob as I noted. He also seemed to deny he wears a diaper so I have withdrawn that entry but everything else is factual. As I have told this moron Kamale, however, it's no defense in a defamation case to say the victim of the defamation has also defamed others. Anyway, now that he has said he is ready to be sued, let that be and to paraphrase what you have said, may the one with the best case win. I know exactly who that is between I and this moron. Please note I am no longer responding to this. The thread has had enough distraction as it is even though as you said earlier this is part of these people's campaign but they shall never succeed for we won't let them.
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Post by kamalet on Oct 3, 2012 10:47:58 GMT 3
B6k If you read all I have written, I have not suggested that Omwenga misappropriated any of his clients' money. I have actually read extensively about his cases and if anything his problem was a lot more to do with client neglect in some immigration case than anything else and for that crime he was disbarred. That is why I said that he was run out of practising by his clients! For now I will leave the dufus to himself. He has too many problems! Kamale, For the record I brought up the misappropriation having also taken the time to read the charges against him that led to his being disbarred. Omwenga has since given a lengthy explanation for the alleged misappropriation. That line of defense did not fly with the ABA but as he explained, he is still appealing it. I wish him well... The slippery slope you potentially risk sliding into is when you said his acts or omissions were criminal. I am not a lawyer & although I would agree it is wrong to dip your hands in the cookie jar (the clients kitty) or to neglect their cases, I don't think those are criminal matters per se. They are ethical blunders/oversights which he is already paying for by having his Bar Card revoked. B6k Perhaps you will have noted that I tend to choose my words very carefully. I did not call the idiot a criminal and you can check that again. I made reference to "his crime" with regard to his case and definitely did not even raise an issue on misappropriation which I could have used but did not! Please have a look at this: docs.google.com/gview?url=http://www.dcbar.org/for_lawyers/ethics/discipline/pdf/bpr_report/SamuelNOmwenga20405etal.pdf&chrome=trueFrankly if he thinks am shaken by cheap terrorism, I am happy for him to proceed with his threats!
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Post by b6k on Oct 3, 2012 11:33:45 GMT 3
Kamale, For the record I brought up the misappropriation having also taken the time to read the charges against him that led to his being disbarred. Omwenga has since given a lengthy explanation for the alleged misappropriation. That line of defense did not fly with the ABA but as he explained, he is still appealing it. I wish him well... The slippery slope you potentially risk sliding into is when you said his acts or omissions were criminal. I am not a lawyer & although I would agree it is wrong to dip your hands in the cookie jar (the clients kitty) or to neglect their cases, I don't think those are criminal matters per se. They are ethical blunders/oversights which he is already paying for by having his Bar Card revoked. B6k Perhaps you will have noted that I tend to choose my words very carefully. I did not call the idiot a criminal and you can check that again. I made reference to "his crime" with regard to his case and definitely did not even raise an issue on misappropriation which I could have used but did not! Please have a look at this: docs.google.com/gview?url=http://www.dcbar.org/for_lawyers/ethics/discipline/pdf/bpr_report/SamuelNOmwenga20405etal.pdf&chrome=trueFrankly if he thinks am shaken by cheap terrorism, I am happy for him to proceed with his threats! Kamale, for now can I suggest a cease fire? I believe Omwenga has pulled out of discussing this further so it would only be fair to let it go....
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Post by kamalet on Oct 3, 2012 11:52:34 GMT 3
Kamale, for now can I suggest a cease fire? I believe Omwenga has pulled out of discussing this further so it would only be fair to let it go.... B6k I am only on this matter because you and Oloo asked. I signed off talking to Omwenga ages ago. He is not worth my time.
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Post by moesha on Oct 6, 2012 1:53:48 GMT 3
I am an avid blog reader, and today I thought that maybe I should catch up on this long thread only to be disappointed.... half way through my head started to hurt actually as the mudslinging and insults piled. What started as an innocent thread had quickly degenerated into personal attacks etc. At this rate I am wondering if there is any thread that people can debate in without always resulting in ad hominem attacks. OmwengaThat is the price you pay for being that good. Haters will always exist, most of them are not even your match, that may explain their fascination and hatred at the same time, or maybe they have nothing else interesting going on in their lives. I wouldnt let that deter me if Iwas you. Keep doing what you do. fyi: What do you think of the recent developments of Mudavadis UDF alliance with Uhuru's TNA? You can discuss it on another Mudavadi thread if you wish.
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Post by kamalet on Oct 6, 2012 8:40:30 GMT 3
I am an avid blog reader, and today I thought that maybe I should catch up on this long thread only to be disappointed.... half way through my head started to hurt actually as the mudslinging and insults piled. What started as an innocent thread had quickly degenerated into personal attacks etc. At this rate I am wondering if there is any thread that people can debate in without always resulting in ad hominem attacks. OmwengaThat is the price you pay for being that good. Haters will always exist, most of them are not even your match, that may explain their fascination and hatred at the same time, or maybe they have nothing else interesting going on in their lives. I wouldnt let that deter me if Iwas you. Keep doing what you do. fyi: What do you think of the recent developments of Mudavadis UDF alliance with Uhuru's TNA? You can discuss it on another Mudavadi thread if you wish. I can see that this victim mentality of ODM has found its way in Jukwaa!
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Post by Omwenga on Oct 6, 2012 18:53:51 GMT 3
I am an avid blog reader, and today I thought that maybe I should catch up on this long thread only to be disappointed.... half way through my head started to hurt actually as the mudslinging and insults piled. What started as an innocent thread had quickly degenerated into personal attacks etc. At this rate I am wondering if there is any thread that people can debate in without always resulting in ad hominem attacks. OmwengaThat is the price you pay for being that good. Haters will always exist, most of them are not even your match, that may explain their fascination and hatred at the same time, or maybe they have nothing else interesting going on in their lives. I wouldnt let that deter me if Iwas you. Keep doing what you do. fyi: What do you think of the recent developments of Mudavadis UDF alliance with Uhuru's TNA? You can discuss it on another Mudavadi thread if you wish. Thanks MoeshaIt's comments like yours that make it worthwhile to take the abuse and insults the way I do because I know you're in the super-majority viz these haters. Rest assured I'll never quit doing what I do no matter how hard these haters and losers try but thanks for the encouragement nonetheless. As to the question you have posed, the short answer is Mudavadi is doomed either way but I'll more fully analyze that question in a future blog. Meanwhile, this one was published by the Star as "Mudavadi's Fate Is Finally Sealed," www.the-star.co.ke/weekend/siasa/97075-mudavadis-fate-is-finally-sealed, a title which actually answers your question ;D
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Oct 7, 2012 16:34:15 GMT 3
I am an avid blog reader, and today I thought that maybe I should catch up on this long thread only to be disappointed.... half way through my head started to hurt actually as the mudslinging and insults piled. What started as an innocent thread had quickly degenerated into personal attacks etc. At this rate I am wondering if there is any thread that people can debate in without always resulting in ad hominem attacks. OmwengaThat is the price you pay for being that good. Haters will always exist, most of them are not even your match, that may explain their fascination and hatred at the same time, or maybe they have nothing else interesting going on in their lives. I wouldnt let that deter me if Iwas you. Keep doing what you do. fyi: What do you think of the recent developments of Mudavadis UDF alliance with Uhuru's TNA? You can discuss it on another Mudavadi thread if you wish. Thanks MoeshaIt's comments like yours that make it worthwhile to take the abuse and insults the way I do because I know you're in the super-majority viz these haters. Rest assured I'll never quit doing what I do no matter how hard these haters and losers try but thanks for the encouragement nonetheless. As to the question you have posed, the short answer is Mudavadi is doomed either way but I'll more fully analyze that question in a future blog. Meanwhile, this one was published by the Star as "Mudavadi's Fate Is Finally Sealed," www.the-star.co.ke/weekend/siasa/97075-mudavadis-fate-is-finally-sealed, a title which actually answers your question ;D Omwenga, You are one of Raila's worst enemies. The only and surest way for Raila and the ODM can remain relevant in Kenya's politics is for Raila to accept to be Mudavadi's majority leader. Such a single and simple move, will ensure that he demonstrates his selflessness, while remaining very powerful in the next government. Instead of writing nonessential political eulogies of Mudavadi, you should be approaching him with a very solid deal for your own survival. The problem with ODM is that, there is a cable of sycophants in the party, whose word unfortunately is law, that see Raila as a messiah of some sorts and cannot contemplate life without him. It is times like this when a leader must demonstrate his/her leadership skill, and Raila must now lead and stop listening to job seekers like Omwenga and Namwamba.
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Post by kamalet on Oct 7, 2012 17:02:00 GMT 3
Thanks MoeshaIt's comments like yours that make it worthwhile to take the abuse and insults the way I do because I know you're in the super-majority viz these haters. Rest assured I'll never quit doing what I do no matter how hard these haters and losers try but thanks for the encouragement nonetheless. As to the question you have posed, the short answer is Mudavadi is doomed either way but I'll more fully analyze that question in a future blog. Meanwhile, this one was published by the Star as "Mudavadi's Fate Is Finally Sealed," www.the-star.co.ke/weekend/siasa/97075-mudavadis-fate-is-finally-sealed, a title which actually answers your question ;D Omwenga, You are one of Raila's worst enemies. The only and surest way for Raila and the ODM can remain relevant in Kenya's politics is for Raila to accept to be Mudavadi's majority leader. Such a single and simple move, will ensure that he demonstrates his selflessness, while remaining very powerful in the next government. Instead of writing nonessential political eulogies of Mudavadi, you should be approaching him with a very solid deal for your own survival. The problem with ODM is that, there is a cable of sycophants in the party, whose word unfortunately is law, that see Raila as a messiah of some sorts and cannot contemplate life without him. It is times like this when a leader must demonstrate his/her leadership skill, and Raila must now lead and stop listening to job seekers like Omwenga and Namwamba. Mmkuu I think the problem is that the cabal convinced Raila of his presumed deity status and then it got into his head. This could explain why he never seems to listen to sane and wise people when they tell him the truth.....much preferring the court poets and jesters that only sing his praised.
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