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Post by umoja on Jan 20, 2013 23:51:08 GMT 3
Reporter911,
I was not going to answer your question on why Central Province violence is not being covered. However I will assuming it's a legitimate question and not bait for further insults.
In my opinion, there are two issues here in respect to the difference in media coverage. First, is what I said previously that newspapers are in the business of selling newspapers to make money. Negative coverage on Raila sells more newspapers that any other personality in Kenya. Second, yes, major media houses support the UhurRto ticket, and the shambles n ODM will be used to gain political milage and justify heavy security presence in Luo Nyanza between now and elections.
Due of the above, would you not think it's in the best interest of ODM totake steps to mitigate the violelence on the ground to ensure a peaceful election environment ? Also, Luo Nyanza can not go around behaving as if they have no control over their political destiny.
In their small way, the boda boda folks and most unemployed youth in Siaya County are saying that by deciding who to elect, they are taking steps to define their destiny.
So Reporter911, I would like your critical response to issues I have raised here and in my first posting. Please no sweeping statements about propaganda and anti-Raila bandwagon because that will not cut it with me.
Umoja2013.
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Post by jakaswanga on Jan 20, 2013 23:53:17 GMT 3
Very weird claims and yet you support former PNU/KARUA? now NARC_K I guess those foolish enough to believe your luo claim can do so.. hey there are many Luo's from uganda who also claim they are Jakaswanga: The lady has a fair point here. How can you claim to be a Luo and yet at the same time suggest that you are not firmly embedded in Raila's ... I forget what I was going to write there. Anyway, if you are a Luo, who gave you permission to have a mind of your own? We'll have to test your "authenticity", starting with the Stone-Throwing Examination, Part I. haha! this is an interesting one! here I always fail the test! the late handle Job spoke it out aloud! since then I answer to be fake Jaluos! ---But this is a bad weekend! The whole Nyanza seems awash with fake Luos! imported from central no doubt to disturb peaceful coronations in Siaya, Migori, Kisumu, Homa Bay, as per the wishes of Jakom, albeit as interpreted by local readers!
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Post by jakaswanga on Jan 20, 2013 23:59:03 GMT 3
[ what is stopping you to post on Jukwaa your presidential candidate from CENTRAL PROVINCE? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D MR. LUO MAN!!! That would merely be an elementary party propaganda post. What thinking do you think is involved in posting a photograph? So some of you think by posting photos you advance an argument? for your candidate? The only photo I want to post, to close an argument, is Serena Williams showing assets. But Oloo insists on abstention! --Thoo, en a woman with yawa! ;D
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Post by reporter911 on Jan 20, 2013 23:59:49 GMT 3
Very weird claims and yet you support former PNU/KARUA? now NARC_K I guess those foolish enough to believe your luo claim can do so.. hey there are many Luo's from uganda who also claim they are from Kenya ama? Call me a groupies or whatever insults you want to through at me.. you on the other hand have no musimamo? you go with the wind? Having read your post on Uganda and Rwanda? your involvement and work in those two countries.. one can't be surprised on where your political leaning are centered... Martha Karua former PNU/ now Narc-K = central province.. Poker game ain't working Mr. ... I'm on stand by waiting for more Raila bashing from you and your groupies from central province Let us just agree the postings I have done of Apondi nyar Mumbi have passe through your head. Otherwise you would have noticed what a critical assessment is. of the whole lot, I think Martha would make the best PORK, because she is not beholden to establishment economic interests. Raila like Uhuru is too vested in the present, and have too many debts to repay. Debts that doom them to betraying the popular asp rations. Yes there are many Luos from anywhere who claim they are Kenyans. But when they are asked which one are you most? trouble starts My msimamo? aa, death to all riggers!. MR. LUO CENTRAL PROVINCE MAN. i guess.. Martha Karua? former PNU in your opinion is best presidential aspirant to lead the country? my question to you mr. Luo man out of all the luo's men and women in your luo land backyard Nyanza so you claim, you couldn't identify any other individual place Riala aside for now.. just anyone else who was suitable for presidency of Kenya in Nyanza , they didn't have to be well known or rich or powerful? just by the fact they have no baggage or blood on their hands? I bet you there are many potential presidential material individuals in Nyanza..support & encouragement is what they need.. you Mr. Luo man had to cross the rivers to go seek one in central province? it does not add up ;D ;D
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Post by reporter911 on Jan 21, 2013 0:02:19 GMT 3
[ what is stopping you to post on Jukwaa your presidential candidate from CENTRAL PROVINCE? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D MR. LUO MAN!!! That would merely be an elementary party propaganda post. What thinking do you think is involved in posting a photograph? So some of you think by posting photos you advance an argument? for your candidate? The only photo I want to post, to close an argument, is Serena Williams showing assets. But Oloo insists on abstention! --Thoo, en a woman with yawa! ;D No I doubt it.. when one pretends to support a particular candidate when infact they are in support of other in the same province, then they shy away from Exposing themselves.. ;D ;D ivyu too...
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Post by umoja on Jan 21, 2013 0:03:51 GMT 3
Reporter911,
I am not sure if you actually read what people write are you are have some form of chilhood reading disorder.
I suggested you to check with ODM leadership on intelligence reports from the regions. As the PM, Raila is entitled to some form of briefings which he can pass on to ODM leadership. I do not know anyone at ODM HQ and want to keep it that way since I have no interest in electoral politics. I think my first instincts were right and I should just ignore your postings !
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Post by jakaswanga on Jan 21, 2013 0:04:24 GMT 3
Let us just agree the postings I have done of Apondi nyar Mumbi have passe through your head. Otherwise you would have noticed what a critical assessment is. of the whole lot, I think Martha would make the best PORK, because she is not beholden to establishment economic interests. Raila like Uhuru is too vested in the present, and have too many debts to repay. Debts that doom them to betraying the popular asp rations. Yes there are many Luos from anywhere who claim they are Kenyans. But when they are asked which one are you most? trouble starts My msimamo? aa, death to all riggers!. MR. LUO CENTRAL PROVINCE MAN. i guess.. Martha Karua? former PNU in your opinion is best presidential aspirant to lead the country? my question to you mr. Luo man out of all the luo's men and women in your luo land backyard Nyanza so you claim, you couldn't identify any other individual place Riala aside for now.. just anyone else who was suitable for presidency of Kenya in Nyanza , they didn't have to be well known or rich or powerful? just by the fact they have no baggage or blood on their hands? I bet you there are many potential presidential material individuals in Nyanza..support & encouragement is what they need.. you Mr. Luo man had to cross the rivers to go seek one in central province? it does not add up ;D ;D all others are beholden to establishment interests and would be weighed down by the ballast of the economic status quo. Kenya needs a radical pitch at economic reform. My thinking is, only Karua is not encumbered enough, and is ideologically open enough, to cut to the bone. ---I am not sure you can understand this argument.
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Post by reporter911 on Jan 21, 2013 0:23:07 GMT 3
Reporter911, I was not going to answer your question on why Central Province violence is not being covered. However I will assuming it's a legitimate question and not bait for further insults. In my opinion, there are two issues here in respect to the difference in media coverage. First, is what I said previously that newspapers are in the business of selling newspapers to make money. Negative coverage on Raila sells more newspapers that any other personality in Kenya. Second, yes, major media houses support the UhurRto ticket, and the shambles n ODM will be used to gain political milage and justify heavy security presence in Luo Nyanza between now and elections. Due of the above, would you not think it's in the best interest of ODM totake steps to mitigate the violelence on the ground to ensure a peaceful election environment ? Also, Luo Nyanza can not go around behaving as if they have no control over their political destiny. In their small way, the boda boda folks and most unemployed youth in Siaya County are saying that by deciding who to elect, they are taking steps to define their destiny. So Reporter911, I would like your critical response to issues I have raised here and in my first posting. Please no sweeping statements about propaganda and anti-Raila bandwagon because that will not cut it with me. Umoja2013. Post some example of revolt in Central province on here? and make your points without preaching about only Nyanza.. what examples do you have of revolts in central province or Rift Valley in comperasion with Nyanzaa? a voter was killed at a URP polling station and many injured? is that comparable to ODM/ Nyanza? what I mean.. there is worse happening within other parties across the country.. Zeroing in on ODM/Nyanza is a desperate move for those who have been trying to bring down Raila/ODM/Cord.. but it is still not working.. you see Kenyans on the ground are busy reporting independently and posting & haring news of what is happening in other parts of the country polling.. IReproter are changing how the news is received in Kenya today.. 2007 repeat of Media biased reporting is not going to be a repeat in 2013.. Kenyans are alert and have the mechanism to debunk any propaganda and lies posted by media and bloggers!! I think Noc started a thread pointing out the same can be said of what is happening int he Rift Valley Penning it as a REVOLT AGAINST RUTO...the same is happening in central province I expect soon a thread saying " REVOLT AGAINST UHURU IN CENTRAL" on jukwaa because just like in nyanza there have been fights and skirmishes both in Ruto's URP and Uhuru'sTNA.. I would imagine here on jukwaa members want facts unbiased reports.. and debate on facts instead of following what the pro-jubilee Kenya papers biased reports.. ivyu tu
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Post by reporter911 on Jan 21, 2013 0:25:44 GMT 3
MR. LUO CENTRAL PROVINCE MAN. i guess.. Martha Karua? former PNU in your opinion is best presidential aspirant to lead the country? my question to you mr. Luo man out of all the luo's men and women in your luo land backyard Nyanza so you claim, you couldn't identify any other individual place Riala aside for now.. just anyone else who was suitable for presidency of Kenya in Nyanza , they didn't have to be well known or rich or powerful? just by the fact they have no baggage or blood on their hands? I bet you there are many potential presidential material individuals in Nyanza..support & encouragement is what they need.. you Mr. Luo man had to cross the rivers to go seek one in central province? it does not add up ;D ;D all others are beholden to establishment interests and would be weighed down by the ballast of the economic status quo. Kenya needs a radical pitch at economic reform. My thinking is, only Karua is not encumbered enough, and is ideologically open enough, to cut to the bone. ---I am not sure you can understand this argument. No! I can see through it.. ;D ;D you did not answer my questions.. Mr. Luo land keep up with your central province presidential candidate, I wish you Luck.. maybe she is the one you need to advise
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Post by afrigun on Jan 21, 2013 1:55:00 GMT 3
I probably have no idea what it it takes to moderate a blog, however, has to wonder why a thread with such a specific subject heading becomes polluted with irrelevant and highly intolerant, tribalist trash talk, hateful trolling and stalking of posters!
Renders a meaningful thread almost useless!
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Post by patriotism101 on Jan 21, 2013 2:09:16 GMT 3
[ what is stopping you to post on Jukwaa your presidential candidate from CENTRAL PROVINCE? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D MR. LUO MAN!!! That would merely be an elementary party propaganda post. What thinking do you think is involved in posting a photograph? So some of you think by posting photos you advance an argument? for your candidate? The only photo I want to post, to close an argument, is Serena Williams showing assets. But Oloo insists on abstention! --Thoo, en a woman with yawa! ;D Jakaswanga, I agree on Serena but disagree on your presidential pick. Martha comes with the 2007 baggage which she has yet to fully dislodge. In any case she was the stumbling block, the hardliner during the Serena negotiations. This is a woman who was ready to see Kenya down the abyss for her own selfish ends. If she had been appointed DPM she would have been OK with it and given the Kenyan people the middle finger. Worst of all- she has not come out to explain to the Kenyan people why she is now the f-Savior. So yea, Serena's sweaty back looks more appealing than this Martha's you know what. I am leaning more towards Kiyiapi than the hatuwesmake duo. Senti 5
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jan 21, 2013 14:56:55 GMT 3
I probably have no idea what it it takes to moderate a blog, however, has to wonder why a thread with such a specific subject heading becomes polluted with irrelevant and highly intolerant, tribalist trash talk, hateful trolling and stalking of posters! Renders a meaningful thread almost useless! Afrigun:You echo my own thoughts, and I am the Administrator. Can we please stick to ISSUES and avoid personalities, tribes and other ad hominem forays? Onyango Oloo Jukwaa Administrator
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jan 21, 2013 14:59:30 GMT 3
I understand that a press conference is supposed to take place at Orange House from 3 pm, Monday January 21, 2013.
That is technically in about two minutes from the time I am posting this on Jukwaa.
Onyango Oloo
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jan 21, 2013 15:06:33 GMT 3
From my Twitter account:3m The Standard Digital The Standard Digital @standardkenyaRuth #Odinga abandons #Kisumu Governor bid for the sake of peace bitly.com/XQz97e Swahili Hub @swahilihubRUTH ODINGA ajiondoa kutoka kinyang’anyiro cha kusaka ugavana #Kisumu kupitia #ODM. Asema anathamini amani na kuwa atawania 2017.
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Post by kamalet on Jan 21, 2013 15:12:31 GMT 3
I understand that a press conference is supposed to take place at Orange House from 3 pm, Monday January 21, 2013. That is technically in about two minutes from the time I am posting this on Jukwaa. Onyango OlooWas for 2 o'clock....moved to 3...still not happening!
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Post by kamalet on Jan 21, 2013 15:12:52 GMT 3
From my Twitter account:3m The Standard Digital The Standard Digital @standardkenyaRuth #Odinga abandons #Kisumu Governor bid for the sake of peace bitly.com/XQz97e Swahili Hub @swahilihubRUTH ODINGA ajiondoa kutoka kinyang’anyiro cha kusaka ugavana #Kisumu kupitia #ODM. Asema anathamini amani na kuwa atawania 2017. one down....two to go!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 15:27:40 GMT 3
From my Twitter account:3m The Standard Digital The Standard Digital @standardkenyaRuth #Odinga abandons #Kisumu Governor bid for the sake of peace bitly.com/XQz97e Swahili Hub @swahilihub RUTH ODINGA ajiondoa kutoka kinyang’anyiro cha kusaka ugavana #Kisumu kupitia #ODM. Asema anathamini amani na kuwa atawania 2017. one down....two to go! don't be too happy kamalet. how's TNA doing? with the international community breathing down their candidate's necks. one way or the other, your guys are going down and they will not take Kenya with them.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Jan 21, 2013 16:12:33 GMT 3
don't be too happy kamalet. how's TNA doing? with the international community breathing down their candidate's necks. one way or the other, your guys are going down and they will not take Kenya with them. Sasa, how does TNA get into this conversation? This was a fight against domination of the people of Nyanza and by extension Kenya by the Odinga family, and the people are winning, see @robertalai for more. Then from nowhere, you come in with your TNA irrelevancies, the international community will not vote in Kenya, Kenyans will and their will shall prevail.
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Post by mongobeti on Jan 21, 2013 16:13:49 GMT 3
I hope that Ruth's withdrawal is not about sacrificing her for Oburu's probable nomination for the Siaya ticket!
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Post by mzee on Jan 21, 2013 16:15:03 GMT 3
I have a feeling that Oburu Odinga will carry the flag for Siaya governor.
OBS! This is just a feeling as I don't have a "source" inside Orange House.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 16:49:58 GMT 3
don't be too happy kamalet. how's TNA doing? with the international community breathing down their candidate's necks. one way or the other, your guys are going down and they will not take Kenya with them. Sasa, how does TNA get into this conversation? This was a fight against domination of the people of Nyanza and by extension Kenya by the Odinga family, and the people are winning, see @robertalai for more. Then from nowhere, you come in with your TNA irrelevancies, the international community will not vote in Kenya, Kenyans will and their will shall prevail. kamalet's twin kamalet said the Odingas are finished. and i asked how his peeps in TNA were doing? that is the relevance! Kenyans will vote for whomever. but Kenyans do not exist in the world alone. there is no planet called Kenya. It will be a sad day for our country if Kenyans foolishly vote in ICC babies. the fallout will be massive. pretty much everyone knows that except TNA and their spinners of fantasy. man, Europe never did anything good for Kenya, but this time they will help us get rid of some of the crooks that have been destroying that country.
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jan 21, 2013 17:42:46 GMT 3
From my Twitter Account:
Capital FM Kenya @capitalfm_kenya
ODM now cancels eagerly awaited press conference that was to announce the fate of Oburu Odinga and Jakoyo Midiwo.
James Smart @jamessmat
ODM has agreed on #Siayagovernors row- decision to be announced in a presser
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Post by nok on Jan 21, 2013 18:24:37 GMT 3
From my Twitter Account:Capital FM Kenya @capitalfm_kenya ODM now cancels eagerly awaited press conference that was to announce the fate of Oburu Odinga and Jakoyo Midiwo. James Smart @jamessmat ODM has agreed on #Siayagovernors row- decision to be announced in a presser Causes unnecessary anxiety and tensions ! I salute madam Odinga ! Hv a look . This is what i would term as an example of good leadership; !
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Post by phil on Jan 21, 2013 19:18:34 GMT 3
From my Twitter Account:Capital FM Kenya @capitalfm_kenya ODM now cancels eagerly awaited press conference that was to announce the fate of Oburu Odinga and Jakoyo Midiwo. James Smart @jamessmat ODM has agreed on #Siayagovernors row- decision to be announced in a presser We want to avoid being part of social media propaganda. It was formally announced earlier today that the Chairman of the ODM National Elections Appeals Board, Hon. Joseph Kiangoi will today address a press conference on the Board’s report following various appeals that were presented to them. As far as we know, that announcement has not been formally withdrawn. TNA promised a press conference on Friday last week at 6pm at SilverSprings hotel wherein they were to embark on a process of hourly releases of TNA nominees. The promises was postponed to Saturday then Sunday, and up to Monday no one really knows who the TNA nominees are. Those releases have not happened and I dont see anyone asking any questions or giving persistent tweets on this pending matter especially on Nairobi County in which Jimnah Mbaru has formally submitted a strong appeal for Clifford Waititu to be disqualified. In electoral reporting, each side deserves equal and fair coverage.
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jan 21, 2013 20:16:34 GMT 3
Phil:
If I am not mistaken, you are one of Kenya's most persistent tweeters and social media aficionados.
The Rest of Jukwaa:
It is a quarter past eight on Monday, January 21, 2013 as I prepare to log out of cyberspace for the day here in Nairobi.
I have been up since Sunday night working my contacts throughout the last twenty four hours.
I spoke to a Nairobi-based ODM aspirant at around 5:30 pm and he was in a meeting. I sent a text to another one, without a response.
At around 7:30 pm spoke to one person in the thick of the meetings, but they REFUSED to divulge any information.
Tuesday is another day...
Onyango Oloo Nairobi
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