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Post by nereah on Feb 15, 2013 20:53:24 GMT 3
as i have alluded in previous posts and in some instance openly stated, i am very sceptical of chief justice mutunga's ability to deliver the big expectation that kenya have placed on him. i will be back with more but as for now, the following suffice.
a chief justice who has time to publicly exchange pleasantries via twitter with a crime case, a chief justice who makes us believe he values transparency and accountability yet sneaks into a closed door meeting with moi who has over five cases pending in court and is responsible for many a mess we have, a chief justice who watched as sister nancy baraza is high up in hot water is surely not inspiring confidence in me and my type.
what bothers me most and i invite brilliant minds of jukwaa to dissect in a relevant thread is why mutunga has never publicly spoken on the urgency for his deputy yet there is compelling need for one. the cabinet directed that him and githu the mugai hastily consult and appoint an acting deputy chief justice.that was moons ago and nothing coming.
we are headed to an election that is agwambo's to lose but all indications are that mutunga who must swear the next president and more importantly oversee determination of disputed presidential election outcome.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2013 21:38:06 GMT 3
as i have alluded in previous posts and in some instance openly stated, i am very sceptical of chief justice mutunga's ability to deliver the big ex[pectation that kenya have placed on him. i will be back with more but as for now, the following suffice. a chief justice who has time to publicly exchange pleasantries with someone facing a court case, a chief justice who makes us believe he values transparency and accountability yet sneaks into a closed door meeting with moi who has over five cases pending in court and is responsible for many a mess we have, a chief justice who watched as sister nancy baraza is high up in hot water is surely not inspiring confidence in me and my type. what bothers me most and i invite brilliant minds of jukwaa to dissect in a relevant thread is why mutunga has never publicly spoken on the urgency for his deputy yet there is compelling need for one. parliament directed that him and githu the mugai hastily consult and appoint an acting deputy chief justice.that was moons ago and nothing coming. we are headed to an election that is agwambo's to lose but all indications are that mutunga who must swear the next president and more importantly handle the i'm also starting to wonder about this guy. Oh man, I hope he doesn't screw Kenyans over. So much for my let's see which way the pendulum swings. It'll be a heart break for sure if he goes along with the right wing forces in the country. But hey, Kenyans have been there and done that. We'll pick up the pieces, dust ourselves off and next...!  |
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Post by OtishOtish on Feb 15, 2013 21:44:18 GMT 3
Anything is possible with a guy who wears studs.
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Post by jakaswanga on Feb 15, 2013 22:46:04 GMT 3
Anything is possible with a guy who wears studs. I suspect this is going to be a thread of the long knives! |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Feb 16, 2013 9:00:55 GMT 3
Nereah,
I had my doubts when he took over, but apart from the night visit to baba Moi, he has so far carried himself well. Yiu need not worry.
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Post by nereah on Feb 16, 2013 14:59:20 GMT 3
Nereah, I had my doubts when he took over, but apart from the night visit to baba Moi, he has so far carried himself well. Yiu need not worry. mwalimu, two quick ones: 1. do you foresee him ruling countenancing the protestation of grandson of kingu wa magana to the outcome of the march 4 poll when an aggrieved uhuru seek mutunga/s help? 2. do you trust the cj to fly to hague for the swearing in and inauguration of president uhuru? |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Feb 16, 2013 16:13:19 GMT 3
Nereah, I had my doubts when he took over, but apart from the night visit to baba Moi, he has so far carried himself well. Yiu need not worry. mwalimu, two quick ones: 1. do you foresee him ruling countenancing the protestation of grandson of kingu wa magana to the outcome of the march 4 poll when an aggrieved uhuru seek mutunga/s help? 2. do you trust the cj to fly to hague for the swearing in and inauguration of president uhuru? Nereah, Very moot and timely questions. I am reliably informed that the ever so reliable big Miguna could have provided some very plausible leads to very good answers to your questions in his new book that was launched today. Let me appraise myself, I will come back. |
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Post by nereah on Feb 16, 2013 16:24:45 GMT 3
mwalimu, two quick ones: 1. do you foresee him ruling countenancing the protestation of grandson of kingu wa magana to the outcome of the march 4 poll when an aggrieved uhuru seek mutunga/s help? 2. do you trust the cj to fly to hague for the swearing in and inauguration of president uhuru? Nereah, Very moot and timely questions. I am reliably informed that the ever so reliable big Miguna could have provided some very plausible leads to very good answers to your questions in his new book that was launched today. Let me appraise myself, I will come back. i am being reliably informed(but yet to verify)by a knowledgeable member of my roundtable, the self styled hurlighum consensus group,that key government officials who have direct influence on the goings on in the lead up and into the elections- from the top intelligences nsis) chiefs to the iebc and cj are allegedly on a round clock electronic surveillance by a reputable foreign power(not in europe, or america) that by virtue of its sponsored firm investments in the telecommunications network in kenya,has access to key databases. kenyan economy is too crucial for this region to be left this time to the wiles of the self serving cliques |
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Post by nereah on Feb 16, 2013 17:06:37 GMT 3
as i have alluded in previous posts and in some instance openly stated, i am very skeptical of chief justice mutunga's ability to deliver the big expectation that kenya have placed on him. i will be back with more but as for now, the following suffice. a chief justice who has time to publicly exchange twitter pleasantries with someone facing a court case, a chief justice who makes us believe he values transparency and accountability yet sneaks into a closed door meeting with moi who has over five cases pending in court and is responsible for many a mess we have, a chief justice who watched as sister nancy baraza is high up in hot water is surely not inspiring confidence in me and my type. what bothers me most and i invite brilliant minds of jukwaa to dissect in a relevant thread is why mutunga has never publicly spoken on the urgency for his deputy yet there is compelling need for one. cabinet directed that him and githu the mugai hastily consult and appoint an acting deputy chief justice.that was moons ago and nothing coming. we are headed to an election that is agwambo's to lose but all indications are that mutunga who must swear the next president and more importantly handle the i'm also starting to wonder about this guy. Oh man, I hope he doesn't screw Kenyans over. So much for my let's see which way the pendulum swings. It'll be a heart break for sure if he goes along with the right wing forces in the country. But hey, Kenyans have been there and done that. We'll pick up the pieces, dust ourselves off and next...! , lets help a brother out by giving him the reality check. hope one of his trusted friends prof. makau mutua who happens to be in town will extract some reassurances.lets see what makau writes tomorrow in his column. it will be a pointer. |
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Post by kamalet on Feb 17, 2013 10:14:15 GMT 3
When some of us were critical of a civil society CJ when Mutunga was appointed we were told he was the best for Kenya. Presumably then he was deemed the ODM side of victory as the fight on appointment powers raged between Raila and Kibaki. So just like the flawed constitution we learnt to accept Dr. Stud as our CJ. He made mistakes which we criticised but were quickly reprimanded. He met some western jamaas in private which did not raise eyebrows and we were reminded of the independence of the CJ.
It is certainly clear that Mutunga was only a continuing good guy s long as he could secure the stoppage of the ICC suspects from being one ballot box. Now since the High Court passed judgement allowing the two "felons" (as Otishotish erroneously refers to them) to go for the big one, it would appear as if good Mutunga has gone rogue and abandoned the cause if you listen to Nereah and company.
If truth be told,I think Mutunga has wisened up in the management of his office and taken care to minimise gaffes. He is behaving in accordance with the law and avoiding misguided politics and his recent action on theDeputy IGs is a reflection of a good judicial mind.
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Post by jakaswanga on Feb 17, 2013 11:23:51 GMT 3
Kamalet, of good judicial minds, Kenya has never had a shortage. You certainly would not want to refer to neither Evans Gicheru nor Amos Wako as lacking in that facet. The thing here was that a national conclusion/consensus had been reached, that the Kenyan judiciary was rotten to the core, and, for instance, when the nation imploded in 2008, the judicial system became an onlooker, totally having not the credibility to arbitrate.
CJ Mutunga was a product of the need, or the recognition of the need to reconstitute the judiciary, to regain her authority as an instrument of arbitration, whatever the nature of the conflict. Judicial minds and mindsets galore, but that is not what reforms a judicial system. The whole vetting process, hunting for the new CJ, was to come up with the best who could lead and effect that process of JUDICIAL REFORM.
This process has spectacularly stagnated. Majorly because Mutunga blundered with the vetting commission of akina Rao et al. Mutunga's thinking is fuzzy, therefore he must administratively blunder. But in doing so, he derails the most needed quality of the judiciary at a time of tremendous political conflict. CREDIBILITY.
1. When Gicheru swore Kibaki in, in 2007, no doubt his judicious mind had cured it legal and constitutional. But it was more or less the end of Gicheru as CJ. Reduced himself to a mere hatchet man. He would stay in office, but Amos Wako would run both departments.
2. So now, given a dispute incase of a March 4 hitch. How much credibility will Mutunga have to hold fort? We wish him the best.
Give me an option to help me out, Kamalet, on how this word credibility is defined as an aspect of a judicial mind!
Nereah,
May be it is this Osgoode school. May be it is no good. I read the other Kenyan Osgoode, Miguna, endorsed Uhuru Kenyatta. You would first expect at least a lecture on chapter six, the integrity clause, from Miguna, and how it squares off with the candidacy of indictees, before he makes such a pun-faced public endorsement.
Mutunga too, disbanding an earlier panel of 3, appointed a new 5 bench court to look into the issue of eligibility of Uhuruto, only for those Judges to bring in a ruling that they have no jurisdiction thereon! Poor Mutunga. But no, it is poor Osgoode, Canadian lawyers have made a mess of the Hariri Tribunal [on the blowing to death of the former Lebanese real-estate developer president], stalling the whole process by stupid decisions. ---Osgoode fellas I imagine. Damn!
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Post by Daktari wa makazi on Feb 17, 2013 15:37:02 GMT 3
The logic being peddled is that Mutunga has turned 'bad' because the High Court ( specially constituted by a bench of 5) could not stop Uhuruto from seeking office.
I think it is important to understand the role of the CJ. If every time the High Court does not reach a favorable verdict, the CJ is blamed, then the working of the judiciary has not been understood.
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Post by nereah on Feb 17, 2013 15:49:58 GMT 3
Nereah,May be it is this Osgoode school. May be it is no good. I read the other Kenyan Osgoode, Miguna, endorsed Uhuru Kenyatta. You would first expect at least a lecture on chapter six, the integrity clause, from Miguna, and how it squares off with the candidacy of indictees, before he makes such a pun-faced public endorsement. Mutunga too, disbanding an earlier panel of 3, appointed a new 5 bench court to look into the issue of eligibility of Uhuruto, only for those Judges to bring in a ruling that they have no jurisdiction thereon! Poor Mutunga. But no, it is poor Osgoode, Canadian lawyers have made a mess of the Hariri Tribunal [on the blowing to death of the former Lebanese real-estate developer president], stalling the whole process by stupid decisions. ---Osgoode fellas I imagine. Damn! as i said, mutunga's buddy prof. mukua is in town and i hope he will extract assurances that willy is still pro reform and more importantly keen on on expeditiously cleaning up the judiciary. when the likes of sister judges abida aroni and mary angawa are taken down,we may be encouraged that reforms are all but what insiders tells you and what you sense from the omissions and reluctance like the replacement of the deputy chief justice tells another story. todate only one high profiled prosecution has been successfully made on local post-election killing.mutunga, i can say was headhunted or if you wish egged on by pro reformists kenyan movement to go for this job and won plaudit in the agora and the kenyan legislature. but what can we honesty quantify the traction that pro-reformist kenyans (read those who voted for new constitution)have gained in mutunga led supreme court and judiciary.back-passing,stalling and snow balling. disappointing indeed! kamalemutunga needs the exhortation and reprimand in equal measure. he has a specific assignment for which he accounts to kenyans sovereign will not the political elites or partisan interests.we wont tire in ensuring he adhere to the oath of his office and more importantly deliver as expeditiously as is expected of him. |
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Post by kamalet on Feb 17, 2013 16:04:15 GMT 3
Kamalet, of good judicial minds, Kenya has never had a shortage. You certainly would not want to refer to neither Evans Gicheru nor Amos Wako as lacking in that facet. The thing here was that a national conclusion/consensus had been reached, that the Kenyan judiciary was rotten to the core, and, for instance, when the nation imploded in 2008, the judicial system became an onlooker, totally having not the credibility to arbitrate. CJ Mutunga was a product of the need, or the recognition of the need to reconstitute the judiciary, to regain her authority as an instrument of arbitration, whatever the nature of the conflict. Judicial minds and mindsets galore, but that is not what reforms a judicial system. The whole vetting process, hunting for the new CJ, was to come up with the best who could lead and effect that process of JUDICIAL REFORM. This process has spectacularly stagnated. Majorly because Mutunga blundered with the vetting commission of akina Rao et al. Mutunga's thinking is fuzzy, therefore he must administratively blunder. But in doing so, he derails the most needed quality of the judiciary at a time of tremendous political conflict. CREDIBILITY. 1. When Gicheru swore Kibaki in, in 2007, no doubt his judicious mind had cured it legal and constitutional. But it was more or less the end of Gicheru as CJ. Reduced himself to a mere hatchet man. He would stay in office, but Amos Wako would run both departments. 2. So now, given a dispute incase of a March 4 hitch. How much credibility will Mutunga have to hold fort? We wish him the best. Give me an option to help me out, Kamalet, on how this word credibility is defined as an aspect of a judicial mind! Nereah,May be it is this Osgoode school. May be it is no good. I read the other Kenyan Osgoode, Miguna, endorsed Uhuru Kenyatta. You would first expect at least a lecture on chapter six, the integrity clause, from Miguna, and how it squares off with the candidacy of indictees, before he makes such a pun-faced public endorsement. Mutunga too, disbanding an earlier panel of 3, appointed a new 5 bench court to look into the issue of eligibility of Uhuruto, only for those Judges to bring in a ruling that they have no jurisdiction thereon! Poor Mutunga. But no, it is poor Osgoode, Canadian lawyers have made a mess of the Hariri Tribunal [on the blowing to death of the former Lebanese real-estate developer president], stalling the whole process by stupid decisions. ---Osgoode fellas I imagine. Damn! wa Amadi Perhaps you just need to listen to the words of Mutunga ....the law requires him to perform both administrative (swearing in or being present at a swearing in by the registrar) and the judicial function as let the constitution. What do you have a problem with? |
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Post by roughrider on Feb 18, 2013 11:10:30 GMT 3
I trust that Willie Mutunga will do what is right for Kenya, when and if called upon. He was and remains an excellent choice for CJ. Nothing has happened to dent my confidence in him.
But as the Soviets used to say; trust but verify. As with all other offices, the CJ will be subject to the same intense glare that we shine on every other important public office.
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Post by jakaswanga on Feb 19, 2013 20:59:31 GMT 3
wa Amadi Perhaps you just need to listen to the words of Mutunga ....the law requires him to perform both administrative (swearing in or being present at a swearing in by the registrar) and the judicial function as let the constitution. What do you have a problem with? @nairobi star. Chief Justice Willy Mutunga has contradicted Justice minister Eugene Wamalwa's remarks on whether Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta and Eldoret North MP William Ruto can vie for presidency in the 2013 general election. Mutunga said the fate of the ICC duo’s presidential bids lies squarely in the hands of the Judiciary.Mutunga was closing a three-day judiciary transformation training workshop in Mombasa on Saturday. He said it is within the mandate of the Kenyan courts to interpret Chapter Six of the constitution on leadership and integrity. “We have two cases about Chapter Six which touch on integrity pending in court and Uhuru's and Ruto’s is one and the other one is Mumo Matemu’s. The courts will interpret and give the parameters of the implementation of that chapter. That issue will be ventilated in those two cases and if people are not happy they will go to the Aourt of Appeal and the Supreme Court will have the final word on that issue,” said Mutunga. The CJ’s statement contradicts that of Wamalwa who last Wednesday declared that the ICC suspects are free to contest presidential elections next year. “My appeal to all Kenyans and leaders is that we now depoliticise the ICC process and concentrate on holding free, fair, peaceful and democratic elections," said Mutunga. “We should let the law take its course for justice to be done for both the victims and the accused.” In a speech to mark 100 days since he took over the helm at the Justice ministry, Wamalwa said Uhuru and Ruto are free to contest the presidency. Wamalwa himself has declared that he will run for the top seat in the elections set for March 4. Uhuru and Ruto face trials at The Hague over their role in the 2007-2008 post-election violence. They face charges including mass rape, murder and deportation of persons. Last Thursday, Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission chairman Issack Hassan said that Uhuru and Ruto will vie for presidency only if cleared by the Ethics and Anti Corruption Commission. “The Integrity Bill will give the Ethics Commission the powers to clear candidates and this is one of the documents that we will require candidates to present once they come to seek nomination from us,” Hassan was quoted saying at Laico Regency during the launch of IEBC’s new brand identity. Hassan added the vetting of candidates will be one of the key duties handed to the EACC once the Leadership and Integrity Bill becomes law. The ICC has set April 10 and 11 next year as the dates when Ruto's and Uhuru's trials will begin, along with those of former Cabinet Secretary Francis Muthaura and Kass FM journalist Joshua arap Sang. Mutunga, who is the Supreme Court president, said Uhuru and Ruto will be given a fair hearing by the Judiciary in the petitions filed against the duo’s bid for the top seat. “There are people who have taken that case to court and of course Uhuru and Ruto will also be heard because they have a right to be heard and then the courts will decide. But the most important thing for the country is that the courts are going to decide how that chapter will be implemented, which to me, is great,” Mutunga said. Mutunga added that he will be willing to risk stepping on the toes of some Kenyans when it comes to the matters of sticking to the constitution. “I have said it before, but I will say it again, that no decision will be too tough for me to make if that is the price we have to pay to meet the aspirations of the Kenyan people. I invite you to walk along with me,” Mutunga added. ============ Kamalet, as you now know, the CJ was talking hot air, since his judges have ruled they have no jurisdiction over the matter! ;D And Eugene Wamalwa was right after all!  |
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Post by b6k on Feb 21, 2013 7:46:27 GMT 3
Nereah,May be it is this Osgoode school. May be it is no good. I read the other Kenyan Osgoode, Miguna, endorsed Uhuru Kenyatta. You would first expect at least a lecture on chapter six, the integrity clause, from Miguna, and how it squares off with the candidacy of indictees, before he makes such a pun-faced public endorsement. Mutunga too, disbanding an earlier panel of 3, appointed a new 5 bench court to look into the issue of eligibility of Uhuruto, only for those Judges to bring in a ruling that they have no jurisdiction thereon! Poor Mutunga. But no, it is poor Osgoode, Canadian lawyers have made a mess of the Hariri Tribunal [on the blowing to death of the former Lebanese real-estate developer president], stalling the whole process by stupid decisions. ---Osgoode fellas I imagine. Damn! as i said, mutunga's buddy prof. mukua is in town and i hope he will extract assurances that willy is still pro reform and more importantly keen on on expeditiously cleaning up the judiciary. I wonder if the good prof met with Mutunga. If so, isn't it plausible that the CJ's inexplicable statement is a wink & a nod to the pro reform lobby that he is still "one of the boys"?  Aluta continua..... |
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Post by b6k on Feb 21, 2013 7:49:59 GMT 3
I trust that Willie Mutunga will do what is right for Kenya, when and if called upon. He was and remains an excellent choice for CJ. Nothing has happened to dent my confidence in him. But as the Soviets used to say; trust but verify. As with all other offices, the CJ will be subject to the same intense glare that we shine on every other important public office. "Trust but verify"was actually what Ronald Reagan used to say when dealing with the Soviets..... ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 7:55:45 GMT 3
as i said, mutunga's buddy prof. mukua is in town and i hope he will extract assurances that willy is still pro reform and more importantly keen on on expeditiously cleaning up the judiciary. I wonder if the good prof met with Mutunga. If so, isn't it plausible that the CJ's inexplicable statement is a wink & a nod to the pro reform lobby that he is still "one of the boys"? Aluta continua..... what's inexplicable about mutunga's statement? |
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Post by b6k on Feb 21, 2013 8:15:13 GMT 3
I wonder if the good prof met with Mutunga. If so, isn't it plausible that the CJ's inexplicable statement is a wink & a nod to the pro reform lobby that he is still "one of the boys"? Aluta continua..... what's inexplicable about mutunga's statement? It's all in the timing. Take the "poison pen letter" for example. It's use by date had clearly passed as Uhuruto were already given a through pass to vie for elections by the judiciary. Why air it now & not then when it was fresh off the press? Adding that to Kimemia's authority to leave the country saga seems to be an attempt to draw a link at two unrelated incidents that will have political ramifications now that he has gone public. Why is the CJ playing politics?  I would imagine any CJ anywhere in the world is someone who will have enemies....some even very powerful ones. Crying wolf or doing a Chicken Little when it's really part of one's job description to stand tough in very trying circumstances is....disturbing.... |
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Post by podp on Feb 21, 2013 9:29:00 GMT 3
what's inexplicable about mutunga's statement? It's all in the timing. Take the "poison pen letter" for example. It's use by date had clearly passed as Uhuruto were already given a through pass to vie for elections by the judiciary. Why air it now & not then when it was fresh off the press? Adding that to Kimemia's authority to leave the country saga seems to be an attempt to draw a link at two unrelated incidents that will have political ramifications now that he has gone public. Why is the CJ playing politics? I would imagine any CJ anywhere in the world is someone who will have enemies....some even very powerful ones. Crying wolf or doing a Chicken Little when it's really part of one's job description to stand tough in very trying circumstances is....disturbing....something little from 'between a shark and a crocodile' taken straight from Kidneys for the King. 'what Nyong'o lacked was "staying power" and grit. I also found him hypocritical. In as much as he was bright and focused, he seemed to lose interest too quickly. .. He was interested in theoretical discussions but not the practical side of things.' that was just to put what you say in perspective. now let us go to CJ who MM calls Willy in the same chapter. 'Willy was always focussed on what we needed to do to transform the conditions in Kenya so that we could remove the factors, including Moi, that had reduced alomost everyone to subhuman levels.' (that was way back in early 1990s when both MM and CJ were at the Osgoode Hall Law School) 'We are aware that the forces of retrogression are fighting day and night to retain and retrench themselves. Yet to succeed against these forces, the progressive forces must organize itself into a disciplined unit, with a clear agenda and program of action, not just armed with nice speeches and poetry. That is why I expected Willy to promptly and proactively facilitate the establishment of structures and cadres of transformation. To succeed in transforming the judiciary, Willy needed to hire seasoned transformative thinkers, strategists, and institutional administrators.' so why could the CJ not simply do the above and move happily forward with a new people responsive judiciary? 'Willy is also aware that there exists a conducive social and political environment for transforming the judiciary. An overwhelming majority of Kenyans support this initiative and have expressed its faith in him as a person. Even though there are powerful elements within the State uncomfortable with him, Willy knows that these forces cannot openly confront him or publicly declare a fight with the judiciary. Therefore, he should and could have taken advantage of this situation and peremptorily initiated drastic and concrete institutional "reforms".' but what has the good CJ been up-to lately? 'The office of the CJ and the Presidency of the Supreme Court are key to the administration of justice to all.' so when Daily Nation of Friday 26th 2012 in part asked "if the Judiciary under the progressive, reform - oriented Willy, cannot repossess the CJ's official residence from criminal grabber, how can we be sure that the Judiciary is ready, capable and competent to handle the land chapter in the new Constitution?" 'So why was the public being burdened with purchasing another residence for the CJ when all that was needed was for Willy to initiate a process of repossessing his official residence and the prosecution of the thief or thieves?" fast forward to the Judicial Service Commission where a 'particular individual - who is well known - together with a few other members of "the cartel" is said to have couched some very senior Supreme Court, Court of Appeal, and High Court judges during their (vetting) interviews, thus influencing their appointments.' is that not what in Pitfalls of National Consciousness results in 'a small, vicious cartel taking effective control over the judiciary not to advance or protect public interests, but to line up their pockets and advance their own petty, personal interest? why do judges and magistrates continue to record proceedings, largely in long hand, instead of paying unflinching attention to witness testimonies and advocates submissions? using business process outsourcing competent transcriptions Kenyan firms can be hired. why did CJ have to quarrel with Law Society of Kenya over the vetting of judges and magistrates using the vetting Board? remember the case of Judge Warsame? was the 'confusion, the dishonesty, the mind games, and the semantics necessary'? |
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Post by kamalet on Feb 22, 2013 17:41:13 GMT 3
Podp
Looks like you missed the Mutunga email giving wise counsel to ODM prior to his appointment as CJ!
....of course this has nothing to do with Willy the CJ as he must have dropped the advisor tag.....but then when he keeps the company of a certain fellow whom they share a mother tongue, one must worry about his views about Kenya for as we say in my mother tongue.."mucera na Mũkũndũ akũndũkaga taguo".
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Feb 22, 2013 18:49:33 GMT 3
Podp Looks like you missed the Mutunga email giving wise counsel to ODM prior to his appointment as CJ! ....of course this has nothing to do with Willy the CJ as he must have dropped the advisor tag..... but then when he keeps the company of a certain fellow whom they share a mother tongue, one must worry about his views about Kenya for as we say in my mother tongue.."mucera na Mũkũndũ akũndũkaga taguo". Rumor has it that they are actually roommates and you now their views converge on some funny issues. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2013 23:55:16 GMT 3
Podp Looks like you missed the Mutunga email giving wise counsel to ODM prior to his appointment as CJ! ....of course this has nothing to do with Willy the CJ as he must have dropped the advisor tag..... but then when he keeps the company of a certain fellow whom they share a mother tongue, one must worry about his views about Kenya for as we say in my mother tongue.."mucera na Mũkũndũ akũndũkaga taguo". Rumor has it that they are actually roommates and you now their views converge on some funny issues. whatever you said in your mother tongue, nobody cares because contrary to what you think, not every Kenyans understands your language. mwalimumku those "funny issues" in which you claim mutunga and mutua find convergence, are the same "funny issues" whose expertise is to be found securely at the helm of TNA. so there! you want to speak in codes, we will reciprocate in kind. |
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Post by OtishOtish on Feb 23, 2013 0:16:05 GMT 3
Even by their own dubious standards, these guys have hit a new low. One wonders about the mindset there.
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