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Post by nok on Jul 23, 2013 12:17:08 GMT 3
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Post by Omwenga on Jul 24, 2013 1:19:44 GMT 3
Nok,This can't be true, otherwise whoever negotiated the deal must be the most obtuse and worst in corruption any country has ever seen or had. That's not to say we don't have morons who for a few bucks would think that's a good deal. Let's just assume for now it's a mistake or that it's simply not true.
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Post by nok on Jul 24, 2013 14:42:51 GMT 3
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Post by nok on Jul 24, 2013 14:52:54 GMT 3
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Post by nok on Jul 24, 2013 17:23:10 GMT 3
In Tanzania, ..... If these royalties were to be increased to 5% as recommended by the presidential commission in charge of reviewing all mining agreements,53 government revenue would have increased to US$29m a year or an extra US$145m over the five years. Tanzania is one of the ten poorest countries in the world - this funding could have swelled government coffers to pay for essential health, education and other basic services to Tanzanians. For example, the government's budget for 2007/8 envisages spending US$48 per person on education, health, infrastructure and water.54 US$145m could have paid for over 3 million people to be provided with these services.
[/quote][/quote][/b] Simply put ! those making the laws and drafting such contracts, those officials who are corrupt or were secretively collaborating with you know who, you would even make more, if only you were to have the mind of your nation or communities. Simply put; it pays more to think of your kids, neighbours, friends and countrymen. The most developed nations are the ones that are thee most protectionist. And we ! We even sell our souls for nothing ! Thats why we are cursed.
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Post by omundu on Jul 25, 2013 0:52:47 GMT 3
A sad joke indeed NOK. One that has bedeviled this mama afrika since pre-colonial days. The oxymoron where our riches, our main hope to catch up with the rest of the world economically, became our worst curse. The main reason behind all those millions dead in our continent, military coups, stolen elections, hunger, rape, gruesome manslaughter where even babies have their limbs chopped off and the only option they have is short sleeve or long sleeve. I went to school with some angolans during the savimbi era and the stories they used to recount were like horror movies. Savimbi used proceeds of his mines to educate some of his conquered people so he may have educated technocrats if or when he took over the country. So you are having drinks in varsity with a young men who have seen life. They recounted tales of savimbi burning pregnant women claiming they are witches just because their husbands or fathers or brothers absconded duty while on a unita mission abroad in belgium (education related sometimes)but ended up in the press or american senate committees spilling the beans on savimbi and the west's atrocities. Stories of the young boys being given tilly lamps and AK's to stand in parallel lines on a clearing in the forest at night so that a plane, heavily laden with weapons could land for batter trade with savimbi's diamonds. Some of the things my friends went through cannot even be repeated here. And a lot of minerals have been siphoned off to the west that way. I even have first hand tales from a son of the governor of sokoto (northern nigeria). About the clandestine yet heavy handed involvement of shell bp in the running of the country. In that era, the line between government and private sector (shell) became blurred. The presidents and governors then, even took orders from the regional ceo. Anyways, that is a long story for later. I just wanted to share a link that was originally written in pambazuka related to africa's minerals and the malevolent games conjured by the fascist coperate world. www.africafiles.org/article.asp?ID=26663All in all, africans are F++cked. The amount of money or resources leaving the continent each year far out ratios the debt we pay yearly plus the aid we get. Yet we scream vision 2030. The way the flow of resources is skewed towards the west will leave us behind the rest of the world for eons if the trend continues. Even a supposedly far developed country like SA (with an apparently the most progressive constitution in the world)is not spared this butt-f++ck. The recent marikana incident bares remarkable witness. And the miners were not protesting against just wages, they wailed against the poor conditions they were subjected to even as they broke their backs and rotted away their lungs in the deep recesses of the mines. And it is just not about the money. The scars these mines leave in the regions they operate is an issue. The environmental impacts need to be addressed. Anyone can see what shell has done to the biodiversity in regions they operate in nigeria. The coperate fascists will collude with the politicians who then turn a blind eye. We all know how nigeria has tried to deal with MEND. We saw what they did to ken saro wiwa, just for raising his voice. I always give one example to the contrary when someone says those companies are bringing jobs yada yada: in 2006 the DRC gained only 100 000 euros as opposed to 760 million euros that was taken out as proceeds from the minerals. Currently, Botswana and Libya remain the only countries in africa that have used their mineral wealth to develop into middle income countries. The rest are still in limbo with the few at the top making the money. That said, as per last year (not sure) there were only ten african countries that were EITI compliant. Kenya is not amongst them methinks. EITI (extractive industries transparency initiative) means that the Government and involved companies in the extractive industries, explain clearly and openly, the revenues flowing from its extractive sector so that the citizens and any other concerned party can scrutinize it and openly debate the pros and cons of the contracts entered. The above has several benefits as a start; presently, it has unearthed the corruption prevalent in nigerias oil industry, a lot of scrutiny on areas like environmental and human rights and it also helps with the eventual stability of the area because the locals are heavily involved in the process as opposed to feeling left out and eventually forming movements against the companies. So this initiative is also good for the companies because stability ensures smooth business and world prices stabilise. So how do we go about it ? Well, I guess we first need visionary leaders. But that is not enough. Ask the Lumumbas of days gone, ask hugo chavez what they tried to do to him in venezuela. We need a unified front. That way you can't be the sole voice in the dark. That's why I commend the current crop of south american leaders this past decade. They worked in unity and that subcontinent is taking off leaving us clutching around clueless. But a few voices have started to be raised in africa. The anc charter on mining is a good starting point and discussions are heavily underway towards equity. There is also a recent report by the africa progress panel on such matters (chaired by koffi annan)and it is raising eyebrows. I just can't seem to get my hands on it.
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Post by omundu on Jul 25, 2013 4:39:17 GMT 3
So, what does our constitution say about mineral wealth ? I managed to come across a something on the CIC website. It deals with the mining bill but I may have been overtaken by events because it is dated october 2012 and by then, CIC was yet to receive the bill from the AG for review. They were commenting based on an advanced copy they received from the ministry of environment and mineral resources. If any update, please don't hesitate. www.cickenya.org/cicoldsite/news/mining-bill-2012Key points: - the bill did not adequately address the principle of compensation as required by article 60 (1) b of the constitution. Anyone else smell a rat ? - ratification of mining licenses according to article 71 (1) (a) of the constitution: that all licenses and agreements (existing or future) to be ratified by parliament. Now here is where the debate will or should take place and where we keep our eyes and ears open. Occupy the mpigs if need be. I gather scrutiny by wananchi of the gazzette is prudent. - transparency, accountability and good governance: this is covered by article (10) 2 for good debate and dialogue to prevent confidentiality (where eating happens). A mandatory publication of anything and everything dealing with the minerals for added measure is included. So far, with the kwale mines, it is proving difficult to find (via web search) all the details relating to the minerals, agreements, shareholding etc. Or is it just me ?
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Post by OtishOtish on Jul 25, 2013 5:28:41 GMT 3
A sad joke indeed NOK. One that has bedeviled this mama afrika since pre-colonial days. The oxymoron where our riches, our main hope to catch up with the rest of the world economically, became our worst curse. The main reason behind all those millions dead in our continent, military coups, stolen elections, hunger, rape, gruesome manslaughter where even babies have their limbs chopped off and the only option they have is short sleeve or long sleeve. I went to school with some angolans during the savimbi era and the stories they used to recount were like horror movies. Savimbi used proceeds of his mines to educate some of his conquered people so he may have educated technocrats if or when he took over the country. So you are having drinks in varsity with a young men who have seen life. They recounted tales of savimbi burning pregnant women claiming they are witches just because their husbands or fathers or brothers absconded duty while on a unita mission abroad in belgium (education related sometimes)but ended up in the press or american senate committees spilling the beans on savimbi and the west's atrocities. Stories of the young boys being given tilly lamps and AK's to stand in parallel lines on a clearing in the forest at night so that a plane, heavily laden with weapons could land for batter trade with savimbi's diamonds. Some of the things my friends went through cannot even be repeated here. And a lot of minerals have been siphoned off to the west that way. I even have first hand tales from a son of the governor of sokoto (northern nigeria). About the clandestine yet heavy handed involvement of shell bp in the running of the country. In that era, the line between government and private sector (shell) became blurred. The presidents and governors then, even took orders from the regional ceo. Anyways, that is a long story for later. I just wanted to share a link that was originally written in pambazuka related to africa's minerals and the malevolent games conjured by the fascist coperate world. www.africafiles.org/article.asp?ID=26663All in all, africans are F++cked. The amount of money or resources leaving the continent each year far out ratios the debt we pay yearly plus the aid we get. Yet we scream vision 2030. The way the flow of resources is skewed towards the west will leave us behind the rest of the world for eons if the trend continues. Even a supposedly far developed country like SA (with an apparently the most progressive constitution in the world)is not spared this butt-f++ck. The recent marikana incident bares remarkable witness. And the miners were not protesting against just wages, they wailed against the poor conditions they were subjected to even as they broke their backs and rotted away their lungs in the deep recesses of the mines. And it is just not about the money. The scars these mines leave in the regions they operate is an issue. The environmental impacts need to be addressed. Anyone can see what shell has done to the biodiversity in regions they operate in nigeria. The coperate fascists will collude with the politicians who then turn a blind eye. We all know how nigeria has tried to deal with MEND. We saw what they did to ken saro wiwa, just for raising his voice. I always give one example to the contrary when someone says those companies are bringing jobs yada yada: in 2006 the DRC gained only 100 000 euros as opposed to 760 million euros that was taken out as proceeds from the minerals. Currently, Botswana and Libya remain the only countries in africa that have used their mineral wealth to develop into middle income countries. The rest are still in limbo with the few at the top making the money. That said, as per last year (not sure) there were only ten african countries that were EITI compliant. Kenya is not amongst them methinks. EITI (extractive industries transparency initiative) means that the Government and involved companies in the extractive industries, explain clearly and openly, the revenues flowing from its extractive sector so that the citizens and any other concerned party can scrutinize it and openly debate the pros and cons of the contracts entered. The above has several benefits as a start; presently, it has unearthed the corruption prevalent in nigerias oil industry, a lot of scrutiny on areas like environmental and human rights and it also helps with the eventual stability of the area because the locals are heavily involved in the process as opposed to feeling left out and eventually forming movements against the companies. So this initiative is also good for the companies because stability ensures smooth business and world prices stabilise. So how do we go about it ? Well, I guess we first need visionary leaders. But that is not enough. Ask the Lumumbas of days gone, ask hugo chavez what they tried to do to him in venezuela. We need a unified front. That way you can't be the sole voice in the dark. That's why I commend the current crop of south american leaders this past decade. They worked in unity and that subcontinent is taking off leaving us clutching around clueless. But a few voices have started to be raised in africa. The anc charter on mining is a good starting point and discussions are heavily underway towards equity. There is also a recent report by the africa progress panel on such matters (chaired by koffi annan)and it is raising eyebrows. I just can't seem to get my hands on it. Omundu: When people are willing to bend over, it should not be a surprise that others will be prepared to give them tarimbo. The only question is, from which direction? East or West? It appears that these days, we'd like a change in direction. Change will come when Africans decide they want it badly enough. In the meantime, let's focus on our man and our people and eating. Of course, if others don't accept the inherent superiority of our man and our people, as well as our divine right to eat, why then, we'll just have to rape and maim and kill them.
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Post by omundu on Jul 25, 2013 6:29:52 GMT 3
Kweli otishotish. It is very sad indeed. No sooner had we smelt a something fishy... www.equities.com/news/latest-news/newsdetail/energy/2013-07-21/1648461It is amazing that very little noise is emanating about this impending doom/scandal. The government is hiding something. They are denying the public access to documents. If people thought goldenberg was huge, then ignore the smoke signals and see what the magicians will conjure roundi hii. Even the mpigs salaries should pale in insignificance. I demand to see pigs slaughtered by the entrance of the relevant ministry and parliament. An abomination of biblical proportions.
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Post by nok on Aug 1, 2013 11:31:47 GMT 3
Kweli otishotish. It is very sad indeed. No sooner had we smelt a something fishy... www.equities.com/news/latest-news/newsdetail/energy/2013-07-21/1648461It is amazing that very little noise is emanating about this impending doom/scandal. The government is hiding something. They are denying the public access to documents. If people thought goldenberg was huge, then ignore the smoke signals and see what the magicians will conjure roundi hii. Even the mpigs salaries should pale in insignificance. I demand to see pigs slaughtered by the entrance of the relevant ministry and parliament. An abomination of biblical proportions. standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000089804&story_title=kwale-ore-worth-more-than-sh51-2-trillion-firm-saysA mining company like Cortec or Tullow usually make a double killing; 1. proceeds from selling the mineral or oil 2. proceeds from the stock markets. An african government if at all get only royalties. Now free simple advice for Balala; www.nation.co.ke/business/news/-Kenya-oil-resources-meet-commercial-target/-/1006/1932620/-/lrtb6rz/-/index.html1. Demand gov. partnership in a profitable way and have veto rights(Min. 30 % corporate ownership, or like some Asian tigers; demand for 51%) 2. negotiate royalties at 12% 3. have a clever Tax policy; without tax loopholes, and taxing should start from corporate, VAT, all the way to stock trading. 4. Include a social welfare arrangement for the local community 5. Value addition of the minerals should happen locally. i.e export end-products and not just the raw minerals or crude oil. This triggers other secondary industries, industrialisation and tertiary markets i.e positive financial market stimulation. I like the thread can Kenya go bankrupt. Free advice to Uhuruto; With one stroke of a pen and inteligent strategy pursuant to Mining and Oil industries Kenya digital, you could solve a lot of issues like 1. public wage bill 2. Public debt 3. Vision 2030 4. Laptops for kids and elders 5. Welfare for University graduates 6. buy and not just lease or pay for a couple of hustlers jets e.tc e.t.c and bild a legacy that will drown ICC
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Post by omundu on Aug 5, 2013 15:14:05 GMT 3
NOK, OtishOtish, Omwenga and others: it seems the government is listening. Balala just today raised levies from goldmining to five percent and rare earth mining to ten percent as this reuters article says; mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSL6N0G61T520130805?irpc=932A step in the right direction I think. Now to the tax issues, ownership, transparency issues most of you folk have raised above.
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Post by nok on Aug 5, 2013 15:19:04 GMT 3
www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000089880&story_title=Kenya-secrecy-over-deals-sours-good-news-on-oil-production"Under the deal, capital expenditure on mining equipment is fully tax deductible during the mining following the categorisation of the rutile, ilmenite and zircon as “special” minerals in regard to the Income Tax Act last September. A working model developed by the International Monetary Fund ( IMF) suggests that the National Treasury will forfeit a whooping Sh8.7 billion due to the tax concessions, but introduction of other taxes could increase the public purse from the project, while the operator would still make more than a decent profit." "While the proposed Mining Bill 2013 and the Energy Bill may seal some, or all, of the loopholes, the secrecy surrounding the already signed deals does nothing to make Kenyans believe the Government is behaving in their best interests. After all, Section 71 of the Constitution requires that the management of natural resource wealth be in the interests of all Kenyans. This clearly demonstrates that the continued refusal to make public information on these deals goes against the letter and the spirit of the Constitution. It could be argued as well that a public disclosure of these deals would reduce the suspicions around these agreements. Kenyans in Kwale, Lokichar and Mui Basin — where Fenxi Coal Mining Company Ltd of China was awarded a contract to mine coal — are opposed to the three international firms. The Constitution requires ratification by the National Assembly of future agreements granting rights to natural resources, which would turn both into public documents. One hopes the Government would borrow a leaf from countries like Guinea, which has made its agreements with foreign firms public by posting them online, albeit after losing much of its natural wealth through lopsided deals with international mining firms. "" www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/-/1064/1937788/-/c3w9qc/-/index.htmlWhy not audit all Mining contracts and have them ratified by our parliament and the respective county assemblies. Dealing with briefcase companies is one issue in the right direction. Let has have sanity by following the constitution lest we be cursed like the other mineral rich african countries.
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Post by nok on Aug 6, 2013 9:22:36 GMT 3
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Post by podp on Aug 6, 2013 17:32:21 GMT 3
the yet to be tabled in Parliament mining bill can be obtained at www.cickenya.org/index.php/legislation/item/329-the-mining-bill-2013if you check out 'Functions of the Director of Mines' you will see among them (l) grant export permits, import permits, mineral dealer’s licences and diamond dealer's licences in accordance with this Act;. if the Bill were passed as it is, since the current Act is of 1947, section 22 would result in (1) There is established the National Mining Corporation which shall serve as the investment arm of the national government in respect of minerals. somehow what happenned in 2008 is repeating itself....step 1 suspend Commissioner of Mines and all granted licences....step 2 go back on the Mining Bill and continue using the 1947 Act as it gives the Minister (and now Cabinet Secretary) those archaic powers ....wait for the next election, say in 2017! and to think 50 years after flag independence we can manage our own affairs
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Post by nok on Aug 7, 2013 10:03:29 GMT 3
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Post by nok on Aug 9, 2013 12:11:01 GMT 3
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Post by jakaswanga on Aug 9, 2013 20:05:36 GMT 3
IMF experts ? This institute has been doing mea-culpas just about anywhere --Russia, Greece, Argentina, Brazil, for having gotten it wrong everywhere! At its head now is Cristine Lagarde. A former 'turbo-Zarko-babe' in french politics and that is how she got the job after the pervert DSK, now facing jail for running a prostitution ring. ---yes, that is the guy of the New York hotel rape drama with the Guinea girl Nafassitiou.jukwaa.proboards.com/thread/5447/why-dsks-ouster-relevant-kenyaif these fellows could save any country, the first country they would save would be their own, France. Currently, because of Sarkozy's incompetence and that of his successor Hollande, the fifth republic is referred to as THE SHRINKING REPUBLIC OF FRANCE. Beside the ever-rising incredible hunk , Germany. My rule is simple: if you can not save your country, you can not save mine. Lagarde can no save her dear France, she wont save Kenya. --Oh? the experts are not all French? That is definitely news to me! [Some come from such dungeons as Senegal --if you remember the WB representative who was the tenant of Lucy Kibaki in Muthaiga! and others come from Scandinavia? the Kings of tax and spend on education, health and public services come to advise you to live it all to the free market? and others come from the USA, which uses her espionage powers to give her multinational concerns competitive advantage even over her European allies? O No! they are all French to me! Even if they come from India, whose chief ideologue once said: Ours is self-interest first, then later we will listen to the other experts from afar, even if they are god-sends! That Rotich and his boss Ouru are sucking Christine Lagarde's dry teats dry, just shows the depths of the duos mental depravity, how starved of ideas they are! ---economic saboteurs! And on minerals great companies, anybody ever heard of 'apartheid' South Africa's bad-boy De Beers? O, I forgot, that is diamonds, which is a special kind of mineral! www.brettonwoodsproject.org/art-565940 Sit baaaaak and wait for the IMF mea-culpa on Kenya, a decade later!
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Post by OtishOtish on Aug 9, 2013 20:27:55 GMT 3
Sit baaaaak and wait for the IMF mea-culpa on Kenya, a decade later! Jakaswanga: It appears that you are still enjoying that salary that just arrived.*** Underlying your statement is the assumption that those in charge in Kenya would do their own thinking and take action on their own. Evidence suggests that they are happy to outsource everything as they focus on eating. *** A musical dedication to the noble teachers:
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Post by jakaswanga on Aug 9, 2013 20:41:50 GMT 3
Sit baaaaak and wait for the IMF mea-culpa on Kenya, a decade later! Jakaswanga: It appears that you are still enjoying that salary that just arrived.*** Underlying your statement is the assumption that those in charge in Kenya would do their own thinking and take action on their own. Evidence suggests that they are happy to outsource everything as they focus on eating. *** A musical dedication to the noble teachers: The salary that just arrived: would you believe it! At mama mbogas, after more rounds that we could count, we were singing: THE CHORAL SONG OF THE DRUNKEN TEACHERS IN LUOLAND! An naneno Ouru, ne ae amor! ---Sossion baba! ---An naneno Ouru, ne ae amor! Onyatto wang'e-kwar ong'eyo ni kong'o nyaka nyiew! An naneno Ouru ne ae amer! Ondiek wuod Okuyo oolo pesa e gwenge! Kaimenyi gi Kazungu Kambi dhogi donge omoko nono! --Guogi!Special translation for Milady Fahari! And I saw Uhuru, and burst into delightful song! ---OO Sossion the Messiah! The red-eyed son of Kenyatta knows teachers can not drink on credit! And I saw Uhuru, and wrecklessy drunk I got! The Gikuyu top-predator has showered the Ksh in all counties of the land! Kaimenyi and Kazungu Kambi are reduced to idiots in broad daylight! ---Goons!
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Post by podp on Aug 9, 2013 22:14:43 GMT 3
www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2013/08/balala-denies-cortec-bribery-claims/one FB stated that the rejected politicians turned to Cabinet Secretaries have a role of collecting rent for the men on the house up the hill. so the papers need to turn the heat on the accuser instead of questioning the author of mayhem www.nation.co.ke/News/Man-at-the-centre-of-Sh500m-maize-case/-/1056/1941786/-/item/2/-/f8v8eiz/-/index.htmlMuzalendoobash • 17 hours ago − I think this man Jacob is not different from other men from other regions who became too rich and they are not mentioned. Just because he comes from a region where people are supposed to be watchmen,he is being exposed.Expose those from central and some parts of Rift valley and you say Jacob Juma is as clean as snow,very innocent compared to those who have looted the whole economy of Kenya and they are not mentioned.They preach water and drink wine. www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2013/08/balala-undermined-us-in-revoking-licences-traders/if the 'experts' or rather 'shareholders' are ignored by a Cabinet Secretary whose interests are being served by the latter? National or personal (vested)! www.nation.co.ke/oped/Editorial/Probe-Balala-graft-claims-/-/440804/1942602/-/c2wg0y/-/index.htmlFriday, Mr Juma accused Mr Balala of demanding Sh80 million from Cortec Mining Kenya in exchange for the licence to mine multi-trillion-shilling minerals in Mrima Hill, Kwale County. Cortec has also written to the anti-corruption agency requesting that the allegations be investigated. The turn of events, on what looked like a well-informed government step to safeguard the state’s natural resources by demanding transparency in licensing of mining, calls for urgent action. The truth must be established by a detailed and impartial investigation. If it is true, President Uhuru Kenyatta must act by sacking Mr Balala and ensuring that the full force of the law is applied. The message must be clear. State resources must never be used for rent seeking and unjust enrichment.
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