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Post by phil on Jan 13, 2011 16:47:42 GMT 3
Guys, It is time to mark you diaries, start campaigning, start lobbying the delegates and for some like rebels and defectors who have no guts to defect and seek a fresh mandate, it time to start praying. ODM grassroots polls set for March BY JUDIE KABERIA
NAIROBI, Kenya, Jan 13 - The Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) elections board on Thursday announced that its grassroots polls will start on March 5 and run for four days.
Deputy Party leader Musalia Mudavadi who read out the board's resolutions said the sub-branch, constituency and county polls would be conducted simultaneously during the four days.
"The NDC will deliberate purely on party elections and will not at this stage tackle issues relating to nominations for positions for the 2012 elections. The NDC will not talk about positions like governors, MPs, senators and others. Those we will deal with next year," he said.
Mr Mudavadi further said polls for the youth and women organs of the party would also be conducted during the period to ensure the party structures were realigned to conform to the changes the country realised in recent times.
The meeting of the elections board further resolved that the polls would begin at the location level, then proceed to the constituency and eventually the counties.
The polling will be spread over four days to cater for religious groups who will have problems going through the exercise on Saturday and Sunday.
The grassroots elections will give way to the National Delegates Conference set for April 8 - 9 at the Bomas of Kenya in Nairobi.
The meeting was also attended by Party Leader and Prime Minister Raila Odinga and elections board chairman Philip Okundi.
Mr Odinga said the elections would run across the country and urged the board to thoroughly vet candidates for the party positions.
He also called for an end to the rivalries at party branches and urged members to avoid them especially as the party prepared for elections.
Mr Odinga used the opportunity to confirm that he will be returning to the Ivory Coast on Sunday to continue with the mediation process
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Post by okolowaka on Jan 13, 2011 17:09:12 GMT 3
...This is the mark of political organization and intent to participate in elections with the aim of assuming political leadership of the ward, constituency, county and country...it is called having an agenda and a game plan... Thumbs up ODM...
Now watch as other pretenders (Musyoka, Uhuru, Ruto, Wamalwa,... etc) start to panic and grope in the dark...
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Post by phil on Jan 13, 2011 17:32:03 GMT 3
...This is the mark of political organization and intent to participate in elections with the aim of assuming political leadership of the ward, constituency, county and country...it is called having an agenda and a game plan... Thumbs up ODM... Now watch as other pretenders (Musyoka, Uhuru, Ruto, Wamalwa,... etc) start to panic and grope in the dark... Indeed. ODM must be wary of infiltrations into its delegates. The other side have deep pockets and powerful friends. They would do anything to sabotage the process. It is in reality the beginning of the journey to taking over the leadership of this country. What's more, the Ruto faction did not attend today's meeting but you can be sure that they will be working to send their delegates to attend. They will also cry foul about having their positions abolished or taken over by other progressive forces within the membership. Another group that will be watching developments in ODM will be Gideon Moi's KANU faction. They believe ODM RV delegates are rightfully their own who were carried away by the orange euphoria in 2007. This will be interesting.
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Post by tnk on Jan 13, 2011 18:57:18 GMT 3
...This is the mark of political organization and intent to participate in elections with the aim of assuming political leadership of the ward, constituency, county and country...it is called having an agenda and a game plan... Thumbs up ODM... Now watch as other pretenders (Musyoka, Uhuru, Ruto, Wamalwa,... etc) start to panic and grope in the dark... Indeed. ODM must be wary of infiltrations into its delegates. The other side have deep pockets and powerful friends. They would do anything to sabotage the process. It is in reality the beginning of the journey to taking over the leadership of this country. What's more, the Ruto faction did not attend today's meeting but you can be sure that they will be working to send their delegates to attend. They will also cry foul about having their positions abolished or taken over by other progressive forces within the membership. Another group that will be watching developments in ODM will be Gideon Moi's KANU faction. They believe ODM RV delegates are rightfully their own who were carried away by the orange euphoria in 2007. This will be interesting. that reminds me, i thought ruto and co were launching a party last december? or are they like the other political scavengers waiting for the "fall out" from ODM processes. any word from the ground? anyhow this is good, lets see how this develops.
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Post by phil on Jan 14, 2011 11:47:17 GMT 3
Back to party politics. See what is driving Goodluck Jonathan's re-election - news-breaking is that Goodluck has already won the PDP's nomination defeating Northern muslim Atiku Abu Bakar. ODM are you reading this? In this era of feelanga free it is unimaginable that ODM's online presence is ZERO! The secretariat hardly gives updates and even the grassroot polls - NDC have not been officially advertised directly by the party. And that ODM expects to win the elections in 2012? Nigeria looks to youth, internet and Barack Obama for poll inspiration
Africa's most populous nation is facing its most important, and most unpredictable, polls in more than a decade
David Smith in Abuja guardian.co.uk, Thursday 13 January 2011 15.50 GMT
A poster encouraging Nigerians to register for the primaries. Photograph: Pius Utomi Ekpei/AFP/Getty Images
Outside Goodluck Jonathan's campaign headquarters in Abuja is a poster, showing the Nigerian president beside a grinning Barack Obama. Above Jonathan's trademark black fedora is a thought bubble. "Yes we can, sir!" it says.
Jonathan went into a crucial primary election today making no secret of his attempt to emulate Obama's revelatory 2008 election campaign. He announced his candidacy on Facebook, is the subject of an official biography, Wind of Hope, and has hired strategists who helped Obama to the White House.
Above all, the 53-year-old, who has lived a charmed political life, is seeking to capitalise on two related trends: the phenomenal growth of the internet in Nigeria and political consciousness among its ever more impatient youth.
"I have not experienced any election where the youth feel personally involved until this one," said Dalhatu Sarki Tafida , director-general of the Jonathan campaign. "These ideas of Facebook and internet access were alien to us, but young people are embracing them. On the day of the declaration, we were in contact with 20 million of them. I never thought we would be like the Americans."
Africa's most populous nation is facing its most important, and most unpredictable, polls in more than a decade. They could chart a path to reform or expose religious and ethnic fault lines in its volatile regions.
But for once, in a country with a history of military juntas and rigged elections, the incumbent cannot be certain of victory. Jonathan's candidacy disrupts a pact in the ruling People's Democratic party (PDP) – in power since 1999 when military rule ended – that the presidency should alternate between north and south every two terms.
Jonathan, a southerner, inherited the presidency when his predecessor Umaru Yar'Adua, a northerner, died last year during his first term. Many northern politicians say the north must be allowed to complete what would have been his second term.
Jonathan's main challenger in today's PDP primaries is northerner Atiku Abubakar , a former vice-president. If Jonathan wins, Abubakar could shift to an opposition party, turning the April general election into a contest between the predominantly Muslim north and largely Christian south, with fears of a violent backlash from the losing side.
With the race unusually tight, Jonathan, a former zoology lecturer and keen squash player, is targeting the 35 million Nigerians aged between 18 and 35, a group previously neglected by politicians and which often has a low rate of voter registration. He is making extensive use of Twitter and Facebook, where he has more than 375,000 followers, and has recruited two Obama veterans.
Adoga Ibrahim, 42, a Nigerian business and political consultant who was living in Illinois when Obama ran for office, worked as an organiser in US primaries including Iowa and at the Democratic convention in Denver. He has now answered Jonathan's call to return home and build a "new Nigeria".
"I see parallels between Obama and Jonathan," he said. "Both are children of destiny, share humility and think deeply about decisions before taking them. While everybody around them is losing their heads, they keep theirs."
Ibraham, who studied marketing at Luton University, is planning to repeat Obama's highly successful tactics. "Our campaign is rooted in the grassroots and reaching out to the people.
"The team has been to 32 states already. We are mobilising a bottom-up campaign which was the strategy used by Obama. We are trying to forge a new coalition."
Jonathan is hoping to tap into a demand for change by young people who, half a century after Nigeria's independence from Britain, feel frustration at unemployment, power cuts, dysfunctional transport system and extravagant corruption that has wasted the nation's potential and left 70% of citizens in poverty.
Pius Adesanmi, author of You're Not a Country, Africa!, said: "It's 50 years of atrophy, unrealised promises, potentials thrown away, corruption, military dictatorships.
"What went wrong, what are we not doing, why are we, even by African standards, lagging behind with all that potential and all the money?" But he added: "I see a lot of hope. We are seeing a generation of Nigerians who have travelled, in Britain and the US, and say no, we want what we see outside, we want it right here.
"I sense that even in the rural areas this thing is growing and spreading, it's reaching a critical segment of society. They're starting all kinds of groups for political advocacy and activism. The Obama model of house parties is spreading all over."
Among the groups that have sprung up in the past year is EnoughisEnough Nigeria (EiE), which is driving a youth voter registration campaign and aims to mobilise 10 million by 2015.
Its co-founder, Chude Jideonwo, explained: "We will wake up one morning and it will be Somalia and the pirates and we'll have no government that we can speak of.
"These things are already part of our country where the government has lost control. There are already kidnappings, the Niger delta situation, ethnic wars.
"If our country continues to drift away, and we all just content ourselves with platitudes about a 'great nation', at a point it will no longer be the case.
"EnoughisEnough was formed on the premise: look, we don't want to get to a point where we reach our threshold and there's nothing we can do. Let's do something now, while we still can."
Jideonwo, 25, praised Jonathan for prioritising young people and forcing other candidates to follow suit. "Young people are more aware of the issues, more concerned about the country and angry about the state of the nation," he said.
"There has been a sense that our leaders can act without consequence, but we've seen a renewed interest in politics and society and in young people believing they can make change happen."
Jideonwo is also editor of Y! , which claims to be Nigeria's first youth culture magazine. Its glossy colour pages range from interviews with celebrities, police and children who clean cars in traffic to features such as "50 young people who will change Nigeria," and "Meet the mosque-teers: What does it mean to be young, Nigerian and Muslim?"
The magazine has political content including a sceptical look at Jonathan's election campaign headlined: "Can we trust this man?"
But not everyone is convinced that young people will really make a difference. Shehu Sani, president of the Civil Rights Congress and a senatorial candidate, said Nigeria was far from ready for the kind of online mass movement that swept Obama into power.
"Women and local people don't know what Facebook is all about, while most of the guys on it don't register to vote," he said. "The people who do register are mainly common people: artisans, traders, peasants and farmers.
"Facebook and Twitter are most likely young, educated people chatting and expressing their opinion. Many lament Nigeria's problems but are not prepared to queue and register. Print, television and radio are still more important."
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Post by nereah on Jan 14, 2011 16:26:02 GMT 3
phil & all, citizen tv calls it, kenya's most popular political party. i think the problem is that odm has no compe and even when it is heavily bruised by scandals like we see now(when two of its top officials are hague bound;and one(joho) is mentioned in drug trafficking list etc);majority of kenyans still identify with it. one would have expected odm-kenya to rise to the occasion and cashed in on on odm's misfortunes provided alternative platform but lo! pnu? lets not even go there. back to odm, may i say that contrary to the public perception, odm is five years ahead of its nearest competition and wont be caught off guard if elections were to be called today.you don't believe me? well, read on. late last year, i listened in rapt attention as a member of my round table who attended the last odm gathering at bomas of kenya here in nairobi,as an observer, spoke of his experience as an independent observer. i was surprised that his perception of the party had changed from fierce critic of raila and odm to a grudging admirer of the party our very own kamale ;D has no time for. among the things that gave him the rude awakening was the efficiency with which the national event that brought kenyans from all corners of the republic was conceived,organized and executed; the amity; the perceptible energy and the sense of purpose on the odm's rank and file. but that was his own assessment. i dare say that odm presence in the government as a ruling party has been strategically advantageous. the party,contrary to its ill wishers, is in my view, is making full use of its vantage position for self actualization. the grassroot elections may be overdue but to me it is just a mere formality.i think raila and his team has a master plan, one that is borne out of bitter experiences and even scandalizing ones like this phase where odm was a free for all, where even land grabbers, suspected drug lords,looters and ideologically bankrupt found space. what bothers me about the party though is that its top leadership is male dominated.the top honcho i can think of is the assistant minister for nairobi metropolitan ministry pictured below. at best the party should have a woman as its chairperson and a deputy party leader at worst. elizabeth ongoro spare me the crap about competent women not being there or sally kosgey's resignation as an example. women constitute the highest percentage of odm members and its upto the male dominated odm election board not to repeat the travesty that we say in ndhiwa constituency for instance where a fellow sister was rigged out.the sister has acquitted herself well as the provincial coordinator of odm in nyanza. another issue of concern to me is that generational change talk in leadership always spoken with odm's raila in mind. in recent democratic elections,the average age of elected statesmen and women was 60.don't ask me what the discerning electorate sees in wazees like sister hellen johnson or her counterpart in germany,india and brazil. in south sudan which is on the cusp of new order,splm is largely a wazee club. i am told south african government has sponsored leadership courses for splm cadre from president to the lowest. what amazes south africans is that majority if not all of those being sent down in s.africa for training are wazees who are old school.where are the youths,is the question that abound as the future of envisaged 53rd state is pondered in south africa.you may be critical of it or find it acceptable that the veteran of struggles should be the one to midwife and oversee the change and in fred gumo's wisdom, the youths should earn their stripe and the craved leadership ditto odm. i am saying that odm bado ni gangari with or without raila and despite the obvious challenges,blight and setbacks, raila odinga and his team have(my thinking) set out an elaborate strategy that keeps the party five years ahead of its closest regional competitor. the forthcoming grassroot and national elections are therefore more of breaking the bad spell infused on it by accommodating people who are morally indebted to kenyans.\ my pesa nane
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Post by politicalmaniac on Jan 14, 2011 17:56:02 GMT 3
This is good it gives ODM ample time to dump the ones with baggage and re-energize with fresh blood at the grassroots.
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Post by mzee on Jan 14, 2011 18:10:56 GMT 3
Now some of the bad eggs don’t have to be dumped. The rotten are preparing to drop off by themselves. www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000026703&cid=4&ttl=Kalenjin%20MPs%20ready%20to%20ditch%20Raila%20partyIt’s the right time for these guys to go. We will then have party without moles and trouble makers. This is the greatest move by ODM so far. We know that ODM enemies are not fighting to gain power but rather to stop RAO. If this is their strategy then they have another thing coming. Let’s see how these enemies of ODM transform themselves into a national party.
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Post by job on Jan 15, 2011 4:22:34 GMT 3
I'M RELIABLY INFORMED THAT ODM HAS PROMISED TO:
1) Be proactive in the party recruitment drive – which has already started. It will establish how many card carrying members exist in each branch before assigning appropriate numbers of national party delegates.
2) Ensure all county offices - from now until the general elections - are well set up (minus saboteurs) and maintain good standing.
3) Screen delegates allied to defectors (eg in South Mugirango, Mvita, & parts of the former Rift Valley) to ensure commitment to party ideals and goals for 2012 & beyond.
4) Establish a professional screening and vetting mechanism for party candidates immediately.
5) Decentralize the National Election Board (NEB) to the county level.
6) Ensure that women and youth are represented in all party organs, boards and committees.
AND MORE
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Post by kipfirimbi on Jan 15, 2011 8:58:00 GMT 3
Its Time ODM cleaned up her house! Hopefully this exercise will see it rid of belligerency that is made it almost fall on her knees. Great that they are leading by example from the front lets see how democratic this will go. Hopefully the other parties will follow suite its good for the country.
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Post by kamalet on Jan 15, 2011 9:03:42 GMT 3
Is ODM really clever going into elections when it is in internal turmoil? Shouldn't the mandarins of the ODM NEC have considering sorting out the internal differences first before calling for these elections?
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Post by tom on Jan 15, 2011 11:20:57 GMT 3
I disagree with Kamale. I am of the view that this is actually the right time for ODM to conducts its Intra-polls. In my view, it is the time when one is most begrime that they take a bath/shower.
This will help the party cleanse itself. It can then begin working on other issues like trying to win back support in places it has lost out,i.e. RV, as well making incursions into new territories like Mt Kenya and Ukambani while at the same time maintaining a firm grip on the regions it continues to enjoy support.
ODM must create a competent committee that is soaked with exceptional Think-Tanks to come up with sound strategies for executing the above.
Nereah has made some good points. We need to have more posts in the party alloted to women members. I nominate Nereah herself for consideration.
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Post by roughrider on Jan 15, 2011 11:23:38 GMT 3
There is no turmoil in ODM – it is rock solid.
Actually the party with mega problems is PNU. We are in a new constitutional dispensation and nothing is really as it has been. we now have counties and resources will be devolved. There is a new game in town.
PNU is stuck in an ugly vortex of tribal politics. ODM will be stronger and rock solid with internal democracy. We have zero intention of playing tribal siasa such as KKK or GEMA. We will play national progressive politics and we will NEVER apologize for that. We will sell our policies and build a party for the future and for 47 counties. That is it. Take it or leave it.
Further, we look forward to getting rid of riff and raff who do not believe in party policies. ODM is better of as a tiny plural party of progressive individuals than a seemingly large, amorphous movement peopled with folks who do not really believe in it. Hopefully those who talk ODM, Raila, Amollo and Odinga 24/7 can find other things to talk about after they leave.
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Post by nereah on Jan 15, 2011 17:27:53 GMT 3
kamale, i said odm is five years ahead of its nearest competitor.that one you can cash in the nearest bank. you will probably be reading more next week in my thread, siasa moto moto on why the ruto nuisance remains the biggest favour to odm. the bad press that the nairobi media is giving odm and raila of late including today's the star exclusive of plan to topple raila and replace him with mudavadi are all good. those of us who are raila's card carrying followers needs this because (a) we are used to this kind of media constructs and (b) it distract out detractor's attention while enabling us to plan ahead. as i said odm is gangagri. and as rr counsels above, it is pnu that should be of utmost worry.
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Post by tnk on Jan 15, 2011 21:15:34 GMT 3
There is no turmoil in ODM – it is rock solid. Actually the party with mega problems is PNU. We are in a new constitutional dispensation and nothing is really as it has been. we now have counties and resources will be devolved. There is a new game in town. PNU is stuck in an ugly vortex of tribal politics. ODM will be stronger and rock solid with internal democracy. We have zero intention of playing tribal siasa such as KKK or GEMA. We will play national progressive politics and we will NEVER apologize for that. We will sell our policies and build a party for the future and for 47 counties. That is it. Take it or leave it. Further, we look forward to getting rid of riff and raff who do not believe in party policies. ODM is better of as a tiny plural party of progressive individuals than a seemingly large, amorphous movement peopled with folks who do not really believe in it. Hopefully those who talk ODM, Raila, Amollo and Odinga 24/7 can find other things to talk about after they leave. awesome dude exactly my viewpoint and why am anxiously waiting for ruto and group to finalise their move over and decamp. == ODM is better of as a tiny plural party of progressive individuals than a seemingly large, amorphous movement peopled with folks who do not really believe in it. == and there is even more adongo still waiting on that feedback
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Post by politicalmaniac on Jan 16, 2011 1:40:56 GMT 3
ODM is better of as a tiny plural party of progressive individuals than a seemingly large, amorphous movement peopled with folks who do not really believe in it Indeed that is my view too At the moment the purported jomo for P.O.R.K ruto as VP may look a very potent alliance now. But what will be in the bill of sale? For what purpose should the RV folks vote for jomo jnr? That ruto as veep will do exactly what for them that kipkorios did not do for 24yrs? Did kipkorios solve the land issue? NO he was a grabber just like ruto. So the people think that ruto will actually solve the land issue from whence all our divisions lie? And the jomo jnr base will pinch their nose and vote for the duo believing that he will 'protect their interests? Are those interests the same as rutos base's interests? Really?
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Post by kipfirimbi on Jan 16, 2011 5:29:48 GMT 3
And the fanatics naively claim and want us to believe that things are intact in the ODM party. Yap, No internal turmoil its just business as usual. The chairman is supposedly headed to hague , the other party leader is as belligerent as ever with his foot soldiers yessing every crap he rumbles all the way and an impending mass defection back to nyayo in the offing or whatever low life regional party. NO INTERNAL TURMOIL INDEED as long as the Nyanza MPs are intact i suppose. Rock solid lol!!!.... Seriously guys !? www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000026820&cid=4&ttl=Pondering next move for ODM Every political party in kenya is in dissarray ODM cannot be spared the flak. The bleating sheep are going to wait for cannan for eternity if this is the way to it. Note: Bleating sheep = blind followers ( no tribe please... spare me any labelling and the sighs!!!)
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Post by owuor on Jan 16, 2011 11:55:33 GMT 3
The bleating sheep are going to wait for cannan for eternity if this is the way to it. Note: Bleating sheep = blind followers ( no tribe please... spare me any labelling and the sighs!!!) Come on kipfirimbi, this is seriously below the belt ;D ;D ;D. What a hilarious comment. Owuor
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Post by kamalet on Jan 16, 2011 12:32:04 GMT 3
kamale, i said odm is five years ahead of its nearest competitor.that one you can cash in the nearest bank. you will probably be reading more next week in my thread, siasa moto moto on why the ruto nuisance remains the biggest favour to odm. the bad press that the nairobi media is giving odm and raila of late including today's the star exclusive of plan to topple raila and replace him with mudavadi are all good. those of us who are raila's card carrying followers needs this because (a) we are used to this kind of media constructs and (b) it distract out detractor's attention while enabling us to plan ahead. as i said odm is gangagri. and as rr counsels above, it is pnu that should be of utmost worry. Nereah Is this not what you call burying your head in the sand?
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Post by nereah on Jan 16, 2011 13:05:30 GMT 3
kamale,you seems convinced that odm is not five years ahead of the nearest competitor. before i respond, kindly illustrate in way you can why you believe odm is(a) worse than or equal to pnu or odm-k for that matter and (b) why,from where you sit, you are convinced that raila led odm cannot form the government if elections were called today. i am waiting
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Post by gemagema on Jan 16, 2011 15:34:59 GMT 3
@ Roughrider, jamani, with all due respect, ulisinziya hapo ama was that an intentional writing of a man wishing things were no so bad as they look, yet they are! Ati,
Yani to put it clearly, ODM is in great turmoil. As for Tinga, hata usiseme.
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Post by gemagema on Jan 16, 2011 15:54:07 GMT 3
@ Kipfirimbi
Ni kweli, every party is in deep shit. However, do not forget that the political parties are not what matters to Kenyans, its the personalities. If Raila, for example, forms a new party today, even the 'bleating sheep' of ODM, that are herein claiming ODM is 5yrs ahead of any party (forgetting there is KANU), bwana, watahama na Raila. In fact, forget about Raila forming another party, if he goes to shirikisho, or ODM-K, watafuata. Ehe, the same is the case with Ruto apologetics.
Sasa, wacheni siasa ya party kwanza, talk about them personalities.
Uhuru - maybe Hague come 2012 Ruto - maybe Hague come 2012 Raila - ako pabaya 2012 Kalonzo - untrusted 2012 Eugene wamalwa - should not be written off come 2012
So, who is going to be the president come 2012?
The president will be that leader (any powerful leader, not new nyangarika's) who will firmly stand and support the ICC process and join the fight against corruption, for that is what Kenyans want.
I don't care who is gonna be the president come 2012, all I want, is impunity and corruption to stop. Tosha Gari. Bcos once impunity and corruption has been halted, no president in 2012 can turn it around.
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Post by merlin on Jan 16, 2011 16:50:32 GMT 3
@ Kipfirimbi Ni kweli, every party is in deep shit. However, do not forget that the political parties are not what matters to Kenyans, its the personalities. If Raila, for example, forms a new party today, even the ' bleating sheep' of ODM, that are herein claiming ODM is 5yrs ahead of any party (forgetting there is KANU), bwana, watahama na Raila. In fact, forget about Raila forming another party, if he goes to shirikisho, or ODM-K, watafuata. Ehe, the same is the case with Ruto apologetics. Sasa, wacheni siasa ya party kwanza, talk about them personalities. Uhuru - maybe Hague come 2012 Ruto - maybe Hague come 2012 Raila - ako pabaya 2012 Kalonzo - untrusted 2012 Eugene wamalwa - should not be written off come 2012 So, who is going to be the president come 2012? The president will be that leader (any powerful leader, not new nyangarika's) who will firmly stand and support the ICC process and join the fight against corruption, for that is what Kenyans want. I don't care who is gonna be the president come 2012, all I want, is impunity and corruption to stop. Tosha Gari. Bcos once impunity and corruption has been halted, no president in 2012 can turn it around. Martha Wangari Karua ?
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Post by nereah on Jan 16, 2011 16:54:53 GMT 3
If Raila, for example, forms a new party today, even the 'bleating sheep' of ODM, that are herein claiming ODM is 5yrs ahead of any party (forgetting there is KANU), bwana, watahama na Raila.gema gema, i guess this is our first encounter. as you may have noticed, i am very circumspect in my indulgence here in jukwaa. i don't pull punches, at least to numbers here in jukwaa.i dare say with respect, i am bound by the time honoured tradition here in jukwaa where a member exercises care when choosing the thread he or she wana contribute or generate, motive or motivation note-withstanding. i think i am the only jukwaa member who is on record as stating that i am a raila's follower.no apologies. it is also a fact that i am the one who is on record stating that odm is 5 years ahead.this does not warrant the mashadaish tripe that you are throwing on my face. my senior in jukwaa,whom i respect,called me out immediately i made the emphatic statement and i gladly took him on and even before i could exclaim kamale ! your moniker pops up in the thread and to my astonishment you disdainfully pick fr up from where he left. my challenge to anyone out there who think odm is not five years ahead of its nearest competitor to convincingly prove otherwise instead of the ad hominens. if you have what it takes come on and attempt to prove me wrong. i will wear you out with facts!so,son, could you care to explain the insult. are you sure jukwaa member no.38 is a bleating sheep?
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Post by merlin on Jan 16, 2011 17:54:47 GMT 3
If Raila, for example, forms a new party today, even the 'bleating sheep' of ODM, that are herein claiming ODM is 5yrs ahead of any party (forgetting there is KANU), bwana, watahama na Raila.gema gema, i guess this is our first encounter. as you may have noticed, i am very circumspect in my indulgence here in jukwaa. i don't pull punches, at least to numbers here in jukwaa.i dare say with respect, i am bound by the time honoured tradition here in jukwaa where a member exercises care when choosing the thread he or she wana contribute or generate, motive or motivation note-withstanding. i think i am the only jukwaa member who is on record as stating that i am a raila's follower.no apologies. it is also a fact that i am the one who is on record stating that odm is 5 years ahead.this does not warrant the mashadaish tripe that you are throwing on my face. my senior in jukwaa,whom i respect,called me out immediately i made the emphatic statement and i gladly took him on and even before i could exclaim kamale ! your moniker pops up in the thread and to my astonishment you disdainfully pick fr up from where he left. my challenge to anyone out there who think odm is not five years ahead of its nearest competitor to convincingly prove otherwise instead of the ad hominens. if you have what it takes come on and attempt to prove me wrong. i will wear you out with facts!so,son, could you care to explain the insult. are you sure jukwaa member no.38 is a bleating sheep? Nereah, It is not unusual that people will not accept your opinion and put their own contradictory opinion against it. Airing your opinion in public has as consequence to acknowledge and accept their reactions. Your opinion to be a Raila's follower invites reactions as bleating sheep. I know you have your own opinion principles and ideals regarding how to better the society and future of Kenya. If these ideals and principles are the same as Raila proclaims than you are a follower of the same ideals and principles. However stating to be Raila's follower implies to follow the person, even when he changes of opinion or principles you will change your opinion and principles as well. Why not take the mashadaish as a challenge to sharpen your self-assurance and independency?
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