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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 19, 2011 19:18:57 GMT 3
eputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta and Eldoret North MP William Ruto roared into Bungoma County Saturday amid cheers from the local residents.
The two leaders had been invited by Saboti MP Eugene Wamalwa to galvanize their working relationship as they gear up for the general election next year.
This was in defiance of an earlier protestation by some human rights activists who had objected the rally being held in Bungoma even as 800 families still remained in the camps since 1992.
Ruto praised Eugene for stepping forward to lead the Luhya Community even as the likes of Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Local Government, Musalia Mudavadi faltered in his political standing.
Ruto criticized Mudavadi saying the Luhya community was not united hence it could not lead terming the position held by Mudavadi as "the gospel of Satan".
Ruto asked the region to form a democratic party that would ensure that one of their own is elected to the top most office in the land. "Only hard work and unity will help you realize success," said Ruto.
He wondered how a party like ODM which he had supported and tirelessly worked for could turn around and write to the International Criminal Court asking the ICC to jail him.
"We shall go to The Hague and we shall return," declared Ruto. Former Funyula MP Dr Julia Ojiambo who handed over the Labour Party of Kenya - LPK to Saboti MP Eugene Wamalwa congratulated Uhuru and Ruto for keeping together and their union with Eugene Wamalwa saying its now their chance and time to lead the country.
Nominated MP Musikari Kombo is backing Eugene Wamalwa in his efforts to go for the top office as a representative of the Luhya community.
He accused Sirisia MP Moses Wetangula of dividing the community.
Kombo who garlanded Uhuru, Ruto and Eugene with spears as a sign of handing over leadership to the younger generation, urged Uhuru and Ruto to support Eugene, Kombo said the Luhya community will identify the party through which Eugene will use in his quest to ascend to the top most office in the land.
Former MP and Assistant Minister for Trade Omingo Magara lashed at ODM for mistreating him. Magara who attended the Bungoma rally called by Saboti MP Eugene Wamalwa called on Wamalwa, Ruto and Uhuru to be honest to one another and work together.
Water Assistant Minister Ferdindand Waititu questioned how people who had been calling for violence for over 30 years were left out of the Ocampo list.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Mar 19, 2011 20:00:25 GMT 3
kie kie kie
And when will ruto make a "roaring entry into say Nyeri? or Muranga?
When Soita toured the US a few months ago, he told us about the pressure being put on this 1st term legislator Eugene to act as a mafiyan tool.
Eugene is one of those youngsters being propped up by the west too, to act as a pliant tool. Fed by drug money and Western funds, and dinner dates by the Western plotters he has gotten used to the good life rather quick.
Eugene is now nothing but a mafiyan lickspittle. His rather huge head ballooned out by the constant attention will be soon pierced, and the inert gas filling it will be let out. He will soon land with a thud. Eti he is now targeting a Senator seat, after he makes a "fake" attempt to be the P.O.R.K nominee for the jomo jnr/ruto soon to be named party.
Where was Judas KM by the way?
So they came, and they went but did they conquer?
A date with Ocampo still looms large, its the sword of Damocles, taking huge swings with a wide arc!!
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Post by nalinali on Mar 19, 2011 21:03:21 GMT 3
I have watched Eugene for a while now and he seems to me posses that elusive presidential gait. Listening to him however, I get the impression that he is deep into his political salad days. It is hard to take his claims to represent a generational change in leadership seriously when he relishes regaling the likes of Uhuru and Ruto who are facing serious charges of crimes against humanity, which crimes disqualifies them from consideration as representatives of that desirable youthful change. The idiom "a chip off the old block" is really appropriate in discussing Wamalwa's political vision and strategies if any.
Eugene will be hard pressed to explain his vision for the youth of Kenya, when he is busy iterating divisive utterances of others.
I also see his posture and claims to "Luyia leadership" to be in sync with the Ruto-Uhuru(PNU) long cherished desire to get large sections of Western Kenya away from ODM-this being part of the larger strategy to encircle Agwambo..
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Post by akinyi2005 on Mar 19, 2011 21:28:23 GMT 3
one minute eugene is a flower girl in the uhuru/ruto wedding, the next minute he is the unpresidential candidate in the kkk + others alliance waxing lyrical about youth leadership. with great granny ojiambo hoping to be his running mate that must be some change to look forward to.
where exactly does kalonzo and the mungiki guy feature in the equation?
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Post by gemagema on Mar 19, 2011 21:43:03 GMT 3
I do not think Eugene was clear on which party he was joining. if anything, word on the ground is he might prefer Shitanda's party, New Ford kenya, to the labour party. Anyways, only time will tell as no politician wants to announce any new political party affiliations for fear of facing the ballot box sooner than supposed.
Raila was the name in all politicians mouths at the Bungoma rally today. Kuttuny, again in fear of openly fighting his chairman, 'had to qoute Orengo, in saying that Raila has no managerial techniques. This IPPG or new clause regarding party membership is really scaring the shit out of many prostituting MPs. Notwithstanding, Raila was seriously maligned. They were even claims that he is Hague bound just like PORK.
Now, while many may quickly write off Eugene, they may be totally misguided. As an individual, he has extensive support of the Bukusu in particular. Weta cannot match at all and Mudavadi cant touch. Today, Eugene had the support of other key luhya leaders such as Mukhisa Kituyi, Musikari Kombo, shitanda, raphael wanjala, shikuku, wamangoli, etc. meanwhile, Weta's FORD K party nomination at Bomas was very low key.
However, what is tricky for Eugene is the wider Luhya community. It is clear that the Luhya political party following is divided into two - ODM and Eugene (whatever his party will be). Its my take that if Eugene should want to be seen as a luhya leader, he is better off working with ODM. Working with ODM would mean bringing the other Luhyas on board. if he makes such a move, RO will quickly ditch Mudavadi for Eugene, knowing that Muda is just maziwa baridi.
Unfortunately, Eugene does not, at least for now, seem to want to work with Raila. He prefers the KK allliance, which unfortunately will cost him in the future. The Luhyas are more inclined to support RO other than Ruto or Uhuru. Eugene's camp are aware that the Uhuru - Maina Njenga claim of support will not come to bear. However, they are confident that Ruto may be helpful, rather the Kalenjin. In fact, after todays rally, Eugene's camp believe that he will be the man in state house come 2012. Ofcourse, this is after hearing from the others, in particular Ruto, that he would support Eugene's presidential bid
But all said and done, is Eugene playing a Kalonzo trick? Is he hoping to reap from the Hague basket? With Ruto and Uhuru tacked away in the Hague, their followers will be feed for everyone.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Mar 19, 2011 21:51:42 GMT 3
Now, while many may quickly write off Eugene, they may be totally misguided. As an individual, he has extensive support of the Bukusu in particular. Weta cannot match at all and Mudavadi cant touch. Today, Eugene had the support of other key luhya leaders such as Mukhisa Kituyi, Musikari Kombo, shitanda, raphael wanjala, shikuku, wamangoli, etc. meanwhile, Weta's FORD K party nomination at Bomas was very low key. gema Look at those names again. Look at them carefully. Do they really send a shiver down your spine? ha h aha ;D ;D Let eugene take them, |
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Post by gemagema on Mar 19, 2011 22:15:54 GMT 3
Now, while many may quickly write off Eugene, they may be totally misguided. As an individual, he has extensive support of the Bukusu in particular. Weta cannot match at all and Mudavadi cant touch. Today, Eugene had the support of other key luhya leaders such as Mukhisa Kituyi, Musikari Kombo, shitanda, raphael wanjala, shikuku, wamangoli, etc. meanwhile, Weta's FORD K party nomination at Bomas was very low key. gema Look at those names again. Look at them carefully. Do they really send a shiver down your spine? ha h aha ;D ;D Let eugene take them, PM, The names may not send a shiver down my spine, from the point of view of national politics. But regarding Western (Luhya) politics, such names are representative of the political class in Western kenya. Essentially, all politicians in Western Kenya stand on the same pedestal. Maybe a bit on the higher platform are Eugene and Mudavadi. Trust me, Eugene is a force to reckon with in Western. And truth be told, RO has on a few occasions tried to reach out to him. For example during the launch of the Butali sugar plant, thou Eugene turned it down. If RO recognises that this young man is a force to deal with, surely he is. Let us acknowledge that. |
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Post by job on Mar 19, 2011 22:21:58 GMT 3
I have watched Eugene for a while now and he seems to me posses that elusive presidential gait. Listening to him however, I get the impression that he is deep into his political salad days. It is hard to take his claims to represent a generational change in leadership seriously when he relishes regaling the likes of Uhuru and Ruto who are facing serious charges of crimes against humanity, which crimes disqualifies them from consideration as representatives of that desirable youthful change. The idiom "a chip off the old block" is really appropriate in discussing Wamalwa's political vision and strategies if any. Eugene will be hard pressed to explain his vision for the youth of Kenya, when he is busy iterating divisive utterances of others. I also see his posture and claims to "Luyia leadership" to be in sync with the Ruto-Uhuru(PNU) long cherished desire to get large sections of Western Kenya away from ODM-this being part of the larger strategy to encircle Agwambo.. The snake-oil dream is to also rope in non-ethnically-rigid youthful voters into that column as well. That is why Mungiki supremo (mobilizer of poor youth) Maina Njenga accompanies the green-ear Eugene. This was an assignment initially reserved for Moses Wetangula, but State House later felt Wetangula lacked gravitas, youthfulness and the wherewithal to deliver the mission...or rather assumed that Eugene was a better sell for that spoiler role. I need not rehash how Wetangula was sacrificed - unleashed into the shark-infested waters choreographed through PLO Lumumba's KACC. The Chief Accounting Officer (PS) who oversaw the Tokyo Embassy scam is currently seen daily operating from the OP, begging the question - was PS Thuita Mwangi really suspended? State House/PNU/NSIS has handily found the KACC quite a useful political tool - to either fix, contain or poach political rivals. By in-feeding PLO Lumumba's tray, they are set to fix Raila's key allies like Ngilu and Mudavadi...they've already used a KACC probed court case to fix ODM Chair Henry Kosgey & nabbed him into their side, intimidated William Ruto into their corner, and silenced Sally Kosgey, Sambili et al., ....as they remote-control PLO. That was the same route used to conveniently drop Moses Wetangula.Thus the way has been paved for Eugene Wamalwa to START sabber-rattling the Bukusu-Tachoni voters away from ODM. This is the typical use of state resources to perpetuate divide-and-rule tactics that retain conservative forces in power for perpetuity. A lot of resources are being poured to 'introduce' Eugene to the national arena. An expensive and sophisticated media campaign (bankrolled by Wambui wa Kibaki) is on course to market Eugene as a real possibility. It is aimed to capture the attention and imagination of none other than the local Bukusu voter. "If others are supporting Eugene, why shouldn't I, a fellow Bukusu rally behind him? Anything is possible!"...That is the script that has been written for the local Bukusu voter by the Mt. Kenya plotters in State House. It is part of a strategy to keep someone (so feared and loathed) away from that same House. The big question is - will the Bukusu and Tachoni voter inadvertently fall for this trap yet again? ...where their homeboys are perennially used and quickly dumped after delivering the usual Status Quoist back to Canaan? Can anyone remember Mukhisa Kituyi loudly carrying the water can for Kibaki? What about Wetangula? Now where are they? Eugene will soon join them... same fate. Eugene has already started paying the political price for associating with the inner-core of PNU. The not-so-secret financing of his political rallies by the flamboyant spouse of the President...and his naive lending of his Hon. Wamalwa Title & official letter-heads for use on errands that he has little clue about, has already landed him in the international watch-list for global narcotic traffickers. He is damaged goods politically. Wait for the silly season of presidential campaign politics to begin. That dirty linen will be aired not by Kabogo this time, but by folks from closer home. The House of Ford-K that he is running away from has one or two on him - courtesy of his rivals' research teams. The biggest elements coming from this Uhuru-Ruto-Wamalwa roadshow include; (a) the anti-climax of low turn-up (b) Ruto's unwarranted anti-Mudavadi rhetoric that turned off most in the audience (c) an impending implosion with the Kalonzo Musyoka ODM-K axis - to play out later (d) the suspicion it is being received with in Bungoma. A dear friend of mine from that neck-of-the-woods can't come to terms with the development ..."what is Eugene doing with ICC-bound criminals?"..."why is he bringing them here"...are her ringing questions. In Ruto's fantasy world, he believes he can magically wave a wand and change the entire trajectory of Western voting patterns....by simply invoking the Mudavadi is a coward meme....forgeting that a lot of folks in Trans Nzoia - actual victims of PEV can't wait for the day Justice will be served. Eugene's deep immersion into the House of Impunity (including inadvertent dabbling into narco-trafficking) is seen with sympathy rather than excitement. It is a dud, whether seen through the aborted lenses of Jimmy's Simama Kenya or through Mama Flamboyant's hoodwink. Dead on arrival! |
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Post by tnk on Mar 19, 2011 22:30:26 GMT 3
one minute eugene is a flower girl in the uhuru/ruto wedding, the next minute he is the unpresidential candidate in the kkk + others alliance waxing lyrical about youth leadership. with great granny ojiambo hoping to be his running mate that must be some change to look forward to. where exactly does kalonzo and the mungiki guy feature in the equation? these guys ruto, eugene, kalonzo, uhuru are engaging a really simple but also risky strategy its the principle of "bait and switch" ... bring the crowd from your background into the fold pretending its one of your own gunning for the big flag, once they are in, lock the door and show them who you will really be backing. by then its too late/foolish/reckless and risky to back out. apart from ruto who has openly declared that if any of the others in their shaky alliance win nominations he will back them, have you heard this from kalonzo? no. whereas uhuru has said he wants not to divide his community and would prefer only one of them uhuru, karua, kenneth make the presidential bid which simply means all the community votes will be to that candidate no matter what (so much of an alliance). i guess the alliance only works if they support uhuru otherwise forget it. i also don't see how say karua and kenneth agree to support uhuru and then uhuru passes this support on to say wamalwa. unrealistic reality here is that uhuru's name will be on that ballot paper 2012 no matter what. period. anybody thinking otherwise is delusional ruto may be a presidential candidate or just maybe step down to running mate of say uhuru, but not kalonzo or wamalwa the only thing that will stop this is the ICC. but otherwise these two guys will not play 2nd fiddle to anyone but because ruto is permanently scarred in the eyes of uhuru's community he can agree to win his way back by supporting uhuru's bid. the reverse however cannot happen, no way his community will support ruto wamalwa? well? what is there to say so kibaki has to fight all he can to ensure the ocampo 6 are shielded. to give these two a chance to engage in 2012 (plus of course cover his backside in case the heat at ICC starts over-reaching) one worrying trend however, and not surprising at all is that tribal tensions are building up all over once again its important that debaters call out on these leaders to spell out issues they are planning to address and engage them fiercely on these otherwise the tribal baits/traits will permanently lock in and then there will be no more reasoning or reversal. the time to engage these guys on issues is now. can anyone find any presidential theme in these video clips other than tribe/community. i cannot. that kibunja commission is a waste of time. they should already have communicated with these leaders and told them to focus on specific issues |
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Post by tnk on Mar 19, 2011 22:44:54 GMT 3
meanwhile back here on planet earth www.nairobistar.com/local/coast/17904-court-to-rule-whether-uhuru-fit-to-lead-kanu== Abdalla, Edward Oluchiri, Mwachanje Kilelu and Paul Kibet have moved to court saying that under the new constitution, if an official holds a government office, he cannot be chairman of a political party. They have further said a letter was written by the registrar saying the party will be deregistered within 90 days in compliance with the new constitution. The group wants Uhuru to resign as the party chairman and that the registrar of political parties be restrained from cancelling the party. In the suit, Uhuru has been sued for failing to hold elections or calling an annual general meeting for the last two years which is against party rules. == |
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Post by politicalmaniac on Mar 19, 2011 23:01:58 GMT 3
PM,
The names may not send a shiver down my spine, from the point of view of national politics. But regarding Western (Luhya) politics, such names are representative of the political class in Western kenya. Essentially, all politicians in Western Kenya stand on the same pedestal. Maybe a bit on the higher platform are Eugene and Mudavadi.
Trust me, Eugene is a force to reckon with in Western. And truth be told, RO has on a few occasions tried to reach out to him. For example during the launch of the Butali sugar plant, thou Eugene turned it down. If RO recognises that this young man is a force to deal with, surely he is. Let us acknowledge that. [/size] gemagema I will not trust you, as far as your claims on eugene are concerned. Read Jobs piece above to perhaps get an understanding of why I derisively laughed at those names. You see, NOT A SINGLE BUKUSU so called leader, has gotten anything under the mafiya led regime, not mukisha, nor the geriatric discombobulated kombo (Politically, the guy is the daftest of the bunch and I have met all of them personally) or even the one rigged in 2002- Wetangula. We have been talking about eugene for a long time here, maybe you missed some of those posts. We saw through his bravura, his hubris and his misplaced uncalled for anger towards the Rt Hon Prime Minister. It was jimmy the ridiculously gravitationally challenged 1st son who co opted eugene in the simama movement, or whatever that outfit was called for, and from there eugene found his way to the 2nd lady's bosom and suddenly eugene was like livondo, raining jirongos at harambee after harambee, funeral after funeral, and casting himself as a serious candidate for P.O.R.K. Of course folks laughed at him while he thought they were laughing with him. Just what has this upstart got to offer they asked? ruto's continued attacks on mudamba jnr, while in Western of all places, just annoys folks. Mudmaba jnr happens to be the senior most pol in this Govt who hails from Western, and here comes the loud mouthed, ruto just saying the most unkind words against mudamba jnr whilst camping in mudamba's own backyard!!. Kweli huyu jamaa kichwa yake ni mbaya! The Rt Hon Prime Minister has his own vast network in Western, not beholden to the names you place amongst the "political class". These guys are the least of my worries. Even Soita, a cabinet Minister whose not a fan of the Rt Hon Prime Minister acknowledged to us that eugene is just a mafiya toy, to be used and them dumped. My own MP just laughs aloud whenever I mention eugene, he doesnt even want to talk about him |
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Post by tnk on Mar 19, 2011 23:18:41 GMT 3
any update on the bungoma rally
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Post by akinyi2005 on Mar 20, 2011 1:36:26 GMT 3
any update on the bungoma rally i think what we have heard is all that there is to it - wasn't the mother of all rallies as envisaged. job captures the political games at play so well all i can say is that i feel sorry for wamalwa whose head is burried deep in the endless pit of money he doesn't realize his behind is exposed. did he just tell ford-k to keep the 1 million sh registration fee which is small change to him? no wonder a mzee like kombo treats eugene like the 'mzee' . like others before him eugene will soon realize the kichinjio is the destination and it may be too late to salvage his political career which is still in its infancy. |
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Post by politicalmaniac on Mar 20, 2011 1:52:38 GMT 3
any update on the bungoma rally i think what we have heard is all that there is to it - wasn't the mother of all rallies as envisaged. job captures the political games at play so well all i can say is that i feel sorry for wamalwa whose head is burried deep in the endless pit of money he doesn't realize his behind is exposed. did he just tell ford-k to keep the 1 million sh registration fee which is small change to him? no wonder a mzee like kombo treats eugene like the 'mzee' . like others before him eugene will soon realize the kichinjio is the destination and it may be too late to salvage his political career which is still in its infancy. While eugene deserts the Party that made his late brother, Wetangula takes control of a moribund F-K, courtesy of its ex chairman, the discombobulated Kombo. And guess what Kombo is now busy doing ---- licking eugene's behind!!. I mean is there a funnier image than that ? Does this make any sense to you? These fellows are nothing but a"" rent - pol - crowd, with their services going to the highest bidder. Sad sad sad. Thats why in Western we are having a nitemare getting quality candidates to go for the Senator and Governorships. The ones campaigning are the same ol- same ol fellows, kina mukhisa etc. |
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Post by politicalmaniac on Mar 20, 2011 2:00:38 GMT 3
The Bungoma rally was yet another series of luck luster punches. Kina rutos obstreperous shrill noise will end with a series of puppy likewhimps when they realize they peaked too early but had no message to sustain their ambitions Indeed it seems the sh!t has just hit the bleeping fan!
jomo jnr very public meltdown was quite astonishing. His cool facade has shown cracks hitherto hidden by well applied filler material.
The universal blow-back, save for a few select MPs, against this act of impunity by the lame duck P.O.R.K, is very very significant.
Mark it down as a reference peg to indicate where the tide against the merchants of impunity finally turned, and their nefarious schemes outed and exposed for all to see.
As usual they are blaming all and everything against the Hon Prime Minister. I betcha if these chaps wont be able to consummate their intimate acts tonight with their spouses, it will be all on capitalFM tomorrow - blaming who else - but the Hon Prime Minister again, for their physical malfunction!
But all this is good as they say.
Its a tempest in a tea cup.
My advice to the Hon Prime Minister is to ride out these temper tantrums, the braggadocio and misplaced hubris of ruto, and continue to do the sterling job he has been doing all along, maintain his fidelity to the Law, and not shy away from any issue that damages the country in the long term, but benefits the mafiya in the short term.
To me its deja vu all over again.
I really resented the pugnacious tribalistic attitude of the green horns around the lame duck guy sitting in SH, in the immediate aftermath of the 2002 elections. Kina kiriatu prancing around telling kipkorios - wait and see how a Govt is run. Is this ineptness and gross dereliction of duty, what they were referring to then?
And thats is what folks voted against in 2007.
And that is what folks will vote against in the next GE!!
Let me leave you with this very funny quote from the 'baddest' stand up comedian around, Chris Rock, about how the Tea Party folks (he equates them to kids) heads are exploding a la ruto/jomo, and how futile their acts will be in the long run.
Chris Rock:
"...........I actually like it, in the sense that — you got kids? Kids always act up the most before they go to sleep. And when I see the Tea Party and all this stuff, it actually feels like racism’s almost over. Because this is the last — this is the act up before they sleep. They’re going crazy. They’re insane. You want to get rid of them — and the next thing you know, they’re *ing knocked out. And that’s what’s going on in the country right now....."
So kina ruto/jomo jnr will be knocked out pretty soon. Those talking about how sijui RV is lost blah blah blah, political nadirs, need to chill out kidogo and let this thing play out.
The Hon Prime Minister is still very strong despite the multi pronged assault on him from all sides, be it from the illegal occupant in SH, be it from ruto et al, jomo jnr, ODM MPs selling out, be it from the useless 4th estate and their nonsensical columns editorializing the premature political demise of the Hon Prime Minister.
Pretty much kina ruto and jomo jnr will be all spent, running on fumes, when they no longer have an issue to blame the Hon Prime Minister for, but are called to offer REAL solutions, to REAL EXISTING problems, like Mau, IDPs, tackling Grand corruption, Jobs, Eduction, Health care etc.
No one will be interested in their personal travail anymore.
I like the cool way the Hon Prime Minister is playing this.
The Muhammad Ali 'rope a dope' tactic is working wonderfully. Kina ruto and jomo jnr have spent gazillions of KsH and many man hrs trying to tear him down, throwing crushing body punch, one after another. But the Hon Prime Minister is still standing. I hear they complained that his persona is so big - Elephantine in size, that they need to gang tackle him to bring him down. One would love ask ame kula mbuzi yao? Why the animus?
So, Mara one day you hear so and so RV MP has defected. The next day its this one. The following day its that one. Crushing negative PR fallout then follow.
If it was a lesser individual, they could have thrown in the towel already.
But NOT the Hon Prime Minister.
He is still standing folks.
Still standing.
And going strong.
He did his part with the unconstitutional nominations by spelling out in a letter to the Speaker what was wrong and he would not accept.
The Speaker agreed with him. Not only did the Speaker agree with him but the people too, including other bodies - Parliamentary, legal and Civil, agreed with the Hon Prime Minister.
Now he is chilling.
Watching the rutos and jomos run on fumes.
The Muhammad Ali Rope a dope tactic works well in the hands of an experienced practitioner, like the Hon Prime Minister. let them punch themselves to exhaustion, then watch them fall!
And they will fall.
They are cornered, its only a matter of time.
Just look at their eyes, and all you see is fear and desperation
Listen to their voices and all you hear is fatigue and resignation.
Indeed impunity is fighting to its death it seems!
Na hiyo yote ni sawa sawa!!
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 20, 2011 11:02:07 GMT 3
Another massive rally to be held in Coast Province - Just but a confirmation that 2012 elections will be about regional parties . The presidential hopefuls should expect regional parties to offer support during the presidential elections run-off .
As it is now ,seems ODM-Raila's wing has not learned something about the shifting political calculations .Could this be the reason the UKs and Rutos made sure the Prime Ministers office was scrapped from the constitution ? in Naivasha .
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Post by mzee on Mar 20, 2011 13:33:52 GMT 3
i think what we have heard is all that there is to it - wasn't the mother of all rallies as envisaged. job captures the political games at play so well all i can say is that i feel sorry for wamalwa whose head is burried deep in the endless pit of money he doesn't realize his behind is exposed. did he just tell ford-k to keep the 1 million sh registration fee which is small change to him? no wonder a mzee like kombo treats eugene like the 'mzee' . like others before him eugene will soon realize the kichinjio is the destination and it may be too late to salvage his political career which is still in its infancy. While eugene deserts the Party that made his late brother, Wetangula takes control of a moribund F-K, courtesy of its ex chairman, the discombobulated Kombo. And guess what Kombo is now busy doing ---- licking eugene's behind!!. I mean is there a funnier image than that ? Does this make any sense to you? These fellows are nothing but a"" rent - pol - crowd, with their services going to the highest bidder. Sad sad sad. Thats why in Western we are having a nitemare getting quality candidates to go for the Senator and Governorships. The ones campaigning are the same ol- same ol fellows, kina mukhisa etc. Give it to Ruto William, he has managed to corrupt the head of Eugene to such an extent that the later does not know what he is doing. These guys calculations are easy to break down. What they are aiming to do is to have regional parties that are to deny ODM the majority in the various regions. Julia Ojiambo having been dumped by Kajudas is now at it again, selling her party to the highest bidder. This time Ruto/Uhuru/Eugene axis. I don't know how this will work out because Eugene combined with Kombo and Kituyi are not strong enough to face an ODM onslaught. Tribal parties have never been successful in Kenya. Parties that have done well in Kenyan politics are FORD (before it broke into splinter groups), NARC and ODM. These are parties that were national in outlook. So I don't see how akina Ruto will face and defeat a revamped ODM with a national outlook. But the greatest reason why the Ruto/Uhuru axis in bound to fail is the personal character of the two. I believe that when campaigns kick off and we start calling them out and saying things as they are and fingering their murderous activities, game will be up for them. A few kenyans would be willing to touch them with 18 inch pole. Imagine having criminals as PORK and V.PORK. We wont allow impunity in kenya. The bottom line is that nobody should care about these fellows for now. Let them enjoy the limelight before facing Hague and possible imprisonment. I pity the two musketeers. |
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Post by omundu on Mar 20, 2011 13:37:13 GMT 3
Bungoma/ Bukusu politics is murkier than many here tend to think. The last Bukusu politician to be voted almost to a tee by Bukusus was Eugenes brother. People loved him, not just because he was Bukusu but his apparent mature approach to politics. He also grew into those shoes over time.
People on the ground are finding it hard to identify, in Eugene, the qualities they saw in Wamalwa snr.
Job also raises an important point, and that is clanisim amongst the Luhya, Eugene is Tachoni and they have close ties (intermarriages ect) with the kalenjin neighbours but that did not help in the post election violence when there were pockets of attacks by kalenjin militia amongst their luhya neighbours mostly the Tachoni (it is still a big thing amongst the luhya where even three years later elders are finding it hard reconciling families). There are various other clans amongst the Bukusu e.g the baserema, bakimweyi e.t.c and the tachonis comprise of roughly ten percent of Bukusus. The other clans have their representatives like Wetangula, even Bifwoli holds a bit of clout.
The point i am trying to arrive at is, with the (in my opinion) demise of Ford Kenya or defrangmented nature it is in, exercebeted also by clanism, Bukusus lack a proper tool (party) they had in 2007.There are even talks of many politicians we are mentioning here defecting to ODM pre 2012. There is no clear leader amongst the Bukusu but in the hierachy, Eugene is not number one. (that i guarrantee you).
The only way, Eugene will rise to prominance amongst the Bukusus is if the KK give him the mantle as presidential candidate. Bukusus on the ground are very very tired of being used and dumped while their neighbours e.g the Samia, wanga, teso vote almost to a tee for one party. You may not be hearing the noises in the media but Mudavadi's clout has increased amongst the Bukusu. Were it not for the rigging by amongst others, wetangula (who is one of the people likely to defect using Ford K) 2007 would have shown a clearer picture of what is going on in the ground.
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Post by enigma on Mar 20, 2011 17:51:57 GMT 3
gema Look at those names again. Look at them carefully. Do they really send a shiver down your spine? ha h aha ;D ;D Let eugene take them, PM, The names may not send a shiver down my spine, from the point of view of national politics. But regarding Western (Luhya) politics, such names are representative of the political class in Western kenya. Essentially, all politicians in Western Kenya stand on the same pedestal. Maybe a bit on the higher platform are Eugene and Mudavadi. Trust me, Eugene is a force to reckon with in Western. And truth be told, RO has on a few occasions tried to reach out to him. For example during the launch of the Butali sugar plant, thou Eugene turned it down. If RO recognises that this young man is a force to deal with, surely he is. Let us acknowledge that. Which Western are you talking about? Tembea kidogo ujionee. |
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Post by Titchaz on Mar 20, 2011 19:53:56 GMT 3
Bungoma/ Bukusu politics is murkier than many here tend to think. The last Bukusu politician to be voted almost to a tee by Bukusus was Eugenes brother. People loved him, not just because he was Bukusu but his apparent mature approach to politics. He also grew into those shoes over time. People on the ground are finding it hard to identify, in Eugene, the qualities they saw in Wamalwa snr. Job also raises an important point, and that is clanisim amongst the Luhya, Eugene is Tachoni and they have close ties (intermarriages ect) with the kalenjin neighbours but that did not help in the post election violence when there were pockets of attacks by kalenjin militia amongst their luhya neighbours mostly the Tachoni (it is still a big thing amongst the luhya where even three years later elders are finding it hard reconciling families). There are various other clans amongst the Bukusu e.g the baserema, bakimweyi e.t.c and the tachonis comprise of roughly ten percent of Bukusus. The other clans have their representatives like Wetangula, even Bifwoli holds a bit of clout. The point i am trying to arrive at is, with the (in my opinion) demise of Ford Kenya or defrangmented nature it is in, exercebeted also by clanism, Bukusus lack a proper tool (party) they had in 2007.There are even talks of many politicians we are mentioning here defecting to ODM pre 2012. There is no clear leader amongst the Bukusu but in the hierachy, Eugene is not number one. (that i guarrantee you). The only way, Eugene will rise to prominance amongst the Bukusus is if the KK give him the mantle as presidential candidate. Bukusus on the ground are very very tired of being used and dumped while their neighbours e.g the Samia, wanga, teso vote almost to a tee for one party. You may not be hearing the noises in the media but Mudavadi's clout has increased amongst the Bukusu. Were it not for the rigging by amongst others, wetangula (who is one of the people likely to defect using Ford K) 2007 would have shown a clearer picture of what is going on in the ground. Heshima natanguliza kwako kakangu. This is a very sober statement from you on this subject apart from what Mkuu Job also said. I wish gemagema has read it. Wewe lazima ni 'weingo'... ;D I just had to say thank you for your understanding of the luhya politics. Eugene Wamalwa ni huko kwao tu, otherwise huku kwengine hamna kitu. I believe he is using his 'academics' to create awe amongst his people huku akisahau kua watu wamesoma na hii siasa ya pesa nane hawataki kusikia siku hizi. The luhya community stretches all the way from Busia to Kisumu and upto the borders of the Rift Valley. Hii siasa ya pesa nane ya kukubali kina Ruto kutukana viongozi wa kiluhya is having a counterproductive effect to say the least. He is just being used to break the unity of the Luhya Nation lakini sidhani kama atatoboa. Thank you for your sober input mkuu mwenzangu.Tuzidi. Swadaktaa. |
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Post by mzee on Mar 20, 2011 20:07:43 GMT 3
Bungoma/ Bukusu politics is murkier than many here tend to think. The last Bukusu politician to be voted almost to a tee by Bukusus was Eugenes brother. People loved him, not just because he was Bukusu but his apparent mature approach to politics. He also grew into those shoes over time. People on the ground are finding it hard to identify, in Eugene, the qualities they saw in Wamalwa snr. Job also raises an important point, and that is clanisim amongst the Luhya, Eugene is Tachoni and they have close ties (intermarriages ect) with the kalenjin neighbours but that did not help in the post election violence when there were pockets of attacks by kalenjin militia amongst their luhya neighbours mostly the Tachoni (it is still a big thing amongst the luhya where even three years later elders are finding it hard reconciling families). There are various other clans amongst the Bukusu e.g the baserema, bakimweyi e.t.c and the tachonis comprise of roughly ten percent of Bukusus. The other clans have their representatives like Wetangula, even Bifwoli holds a bit of clout. The point i am trying to arrive at is, with the (in my opinion) demise of Ford Kenya or defrangmented nature it is in, exercebeted also by clanism, Bukusus lack a proper tool (party) they had in 2007.There are even talks of many politicians we are mentioning here defecting to ODM pre 2012. There is no clear leader amongst the Bukusu but in the hierachy, Eugene is not number one. (that i guarrantee you). The only way, Eugene will rise to prominance amongst the Bukusus is if the KK give him the mantle as presidential candidate. Bukusus on the ground are very very tired of being used and dumped while their neighbours e.g the Samia, wanga, teso vote almost to a tee for one party. You may not be hearing the noises in the media but Mudavadi's clout has increased amongst the Bukusu. Were it not for the rigging by amongst others, wetangula (who is one of the people likely to defect using Ford K) 2007 would have shown a clearer picture of what is going on in the ground. Thanks for breaking it down. Now we know where to put Eugene. But even before that I did not think he had any serious clout. The reason why everybody is talking about the evil exis (Uhuru/Ruto) is that they are the only ones campaigning. When ODM throws itself in the ring and start campaigning, akina Wamalwa will simply disappear in the abyss. I cant understand why Eugene is always in the wrong crowd, from drug barons to murderers and rapists. Kenya will soon show these chaps a lesson. 2012 is going to be interesting. |
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Post by gemagema on Mar 20, 2011 20:41:47 GMT 3
Yes, it is true that Eugene is receiving some funds from the Kikuyu mafia to cater for his rallies and mobilisation of people. But who doesn’t get funding...and i mean particularly those who are financially constrained? On his own, it is clear that Eugene is not rich enough to pull off such massive logistical big rally. So yes, the Uhurus and Ruto are definitely using him in their ‘finish Raila’ project. And he is aware of that. He knows that the Kikuyu would never rally behind him. This Maina Njenga youth project is a defeated one. You saw the rally in Kamukunji...after Maina talked, and that was before Eugene, the Mungiki youths walked away, even before Eugene could speak. So he knows that this guys aint gonna vote for one outside theirs. The only thing Eugene can reap out of that is national exposure and attention...he is getting noticed in the national public spaces and discourses.
Let us not forget that most of the Kenyan politicians have been made. Somebody somewhere invests in you, or gives you a chance to shine. And then, it’s how you take off from there. Raila is a beneficiary of such processes, Uhuru, Ruto, Muda, etc, too. And then you have those who are used and as they get dumped, they actually loose relevance. Martha Karua served and was dumped too. Is she relevant now than before? Of course power has been stricken off her, but she is one of the political leaders that might have names on the ballot paper. So, this argument that Eugene is a kikuyu project to disrupt the Luhya vote and deny RO some bone in Western is nothing new. So, Eugene being trashed will not be novel, Tuju, Mukhisa, Weta, have come gone and are coming back. . Ruto is also one of them.
Actually, I wonder if it is a scenario of being used and dumped or is it that of a stupid folk not knowing that they are being used hence not hatching their own plan B
Now, if i may indulge you in some politics of belonging, from the point of view of ‘Tribe/Ethnic group’. Very few politicians from communities outside central have ever benefited from working with or collaborating with a kikuyu..in particular now, in the era after Moi. The Kikuyus have always gone into a cooperation knowing what they want out of it. However, the other communities, while they may have been duped into thinking that they are being made, they were actually being used. And i give the Kikuyus marks for such astuteness.
Again, I think, there seems to exist a confusing, if not substitution of financial clout with political clout in Western (Luhya) politics. Truth be said and in hindsight, it would be right to say that Luhya leadership has on many occasions been in the hands of those without money, besides Mudamba snr during Moi times. The closest guys, who have come close to unifying the Luhya community politically have all been more about political than financial clout. Look at Masinde Muliro or Wamalwa Kijana.
But if we may just hypothesize that financial clout does really matter...then why is Wetangula with a meagre followership. Definitely, his money is what made possible his snatching away of Ford Kenya party. Eugene understood that he was unable to fight Weta in regard to Ford Kenya, simply bcos he has not such amounts of money to fight him. He left the party to Weta who was unappossed for the party chair. Weta paid all the delegates. But that is it...that is all his money could do. Does he hope to win the Luhyas because he is chair...he can try. All i know is the bukusus do not look at him as their leader, in fact most of them despise him
The other is Muda....he has some money, lakini wapi political influence in Western...minimal. The Luhyas in ODM are not ODMers because of Muda rather because of Raila.
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Post by gemagema on Mar 20, 2011 21:23:54 GMT 3
Bungoma/ Bukusu politics is murkier than many here tend to think. The last Bukusu politician to be voted almost to a tee by Bukusus was Eugenes brother. People loved him, not just because he was Bukusu but his apparent mature approach to politics. He also grew into those shoes over time. People on the ground are finding it hard to identify, in Eugene, the qualities they saw in Wamalwa snr. Job also raises an important point, and that is clanisim amongst the Luhya, Eugene is Tachoni and they have close ties (intermarriages ect) with the kalenjin neighbours but that did not help in the post election violence when there were pockets of attacks by kalenjin militia amongst their luhya neighbours mostly the Tachoni (it is still a big thing amongst the luhya where even three years later elders are finding it hard reconciling families). There are various other clans amongst the Bukusu e.g the baserema, bakimweyi e.t.c and the tachonis comprise of roughly ten percent of Bukusus. The other clans have their representatives like Wetangula, even Bifwoli holds a bit of clout. The point i am trying to arrive at is, with the (in my opinion) demise of Ford Kenya or defrangmented nature it is in, exercebeted also by clanism, Bukusus lack a proper tool (party) they had in 2007.There are even talks of many politicians we are mentioning here defecting to ODM pre 2012. There is no clear leader amongst the Bukusu but in the hierachy, Eugene is not number one. (that i guarrantee you). The only way, Eugene will rise to prominance amongst the Bukusus is if the KK give him the mantle as presidential candidate. Bukusus on the ground are very very tired of being used and dumped while their neighbours e.g the Samia, wanga, teso vote almost to a tee for one party. You may not be hearing the noises in the media but Mudavadi's clout has increased amongst the Bukusu. Were it not for the rigging by amongst others, wetangula (who is one of the people likely to defect using Ford K) 2007 would have shown a clearer picture of what is going on in the ground. Thanks for breaking it down. Now we know where to put Eugene. But even before that I did not think he had any serious clout. The reason why everybody is talking about the evil exis (Uhuru/Ruto) is that they are the only ones campaigning. When ODM throws itself in the ring and start campaigning, akina Wamalwa will simply disappear in the abyss. I cant understand why Eugene is always in the wrong crowd, from drug barons to murderers and rapists. Kenya will soon show these chaps a lesson. 2012 is going to be interesting. You start your comment with such authority about Western politics, I was hell bent on reading each written word. Then I realised, your arguments seem based on hear say. For starters, Eugene is not a Tachoni at all. If anything, Eugene's father, who was called Ngeiwa (a typical sebei name) had some blood from the Sabaot (Sebei) people. Otherwise, Eugene is Omubukusu And then, the Tachoni are not Bukusu and they are not a clan. Of course they have been assimilated into the Bukusu but that doesnt mean they are Bukusus. Again, Clanism has not been really an issue in the Bukusu's vote. I hope you know that Bukusus are one of the Luhya community who on several occasions have stood united as one. True, there is no Bukusu leader now..and that is why i have hypothesized that because Eugene is the only one having a larger following amongst the Bukusus, he is capable of rising to the position of a Bukusu leader if he worked with RO. Working with RO will meaning uniting the 'divided in half' follower-ship hence creating a more solid Luhya front. And definitely, Eugene cannot fit in Kijana Wamalwa's shoes. He still has a long way to go. Now, I will laugh at your statement...that Mudavadi's clout has increased amongst the Bukusu??? If you really understand Luhya politics...then you know what Maragoli - Bukusu relationships are like. They are the biggest and united of communities amongst the Luhya. Historically, they have had strong political leaderships too. And on most occasions, they have stood apart from one another PM, Am interested in knowing who your MP is. |
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Post by omundu on Mar 21, 2011 0:18:27 GMT 3
Ashante sana bwana Titchaz na Mzee.
And indeed, I am Kenyan and if pushed, would not deny my Bukusu heritage and maybe even relation to some people mentioned here in Jukwaa.
I am sorry gema gema, They are actually Ba sabaoti(who are Nilotes and actually Kales or Elgon massai but coz of intermarriages we have refered to them as ‘Baengele’ or basakha as a clan(my mistake, writing in a rush, I had to make a few phone calls) What I earlier reffered to as Tachonis are what I thought of as a name they are given to because of the way they do their circumcision rites(the whole fighting with leopards etc) circumcision group that they also belong to (its hard translating it in English but the name still escapes me, will post it after a few phone calls) But still I am 100% sure that the Basabaoti (baengele)are a clan of Bukusus that have intermarried with the Kales. (note that I am translating some words from the Bukusu language) Very sorry on that.
Before I proceed, I wish to reiterate that by my post here does not mean that I follow the tribal semantics in politics .I am of issue based politics and I just state what I see and hear happening within the region I write about, which will surprise many who think its about “because he stems from our tribe,thus he has our votes”
Gema gema, I will not deny that you raise some valid points but in the same vein you miss out on a few points that may help you get a better judgement of the scenario on the ground in Luhya land, especially amongst the Bukusus.
The most important is that the Luhyas consist of subtribes. Amongst the subtribes e.g Maragoli (mudavadi) you get various clans. One of the subtribes are the Bukusus. The Bukusus comprise of close to fourty percent of the Luhyas (not entirely sure of the proper figures but they are the majority)
The Bukusus normally feel (rightly or wrongly) that their cultural inclinations and practices define the proper way a Luhya should be (In layman’s terms, they feel they are the true Luhyas ). If you are versed in social sciences, you will see how this translates in the political field. The point above is actually the origin of the Bukusus (being the biggest subtribe of the Luhyas) tendency to vote differently from their neighbouring brother and sister subtribes.
With the above background, I wish to engage gemagema and state that indeed, you do raise some valid points but you still have to revisit and research more on other points you raised:
- You state that Eugene is receiving funds from the KK alliance which is true and he also has received even a greater chunk from some western powers, though some sources have dried up because of some current developments.
- The Maina Njenga angle you raised is true but tied to the point above, that angle has also gone quiet because the funders realised they made a mistake because of some current developments and also they realised that the project would actually take longer than they thought (I suspect due to their little understanding of Kenyan politics) . Also, on Eugenes part, the Maina Njenga angle is DOA in Bukusu land. It failed before it started and he knew that but hey, money is money.
- Tied to the above is a point you raised about politicians being funded but reading between your lines you will realise that time is a factor. The politician has to grind the annals of time and “make his name” before he even becomes a household name amongst his community. Now that’s where the problem comes, Eugene, like Ruto is at one of those crossroads where he had to pick left (the easy way) or right (the hard way). We all know the rest and where the roads they picked are leading. Trust me, the elders and people in the rural areas also read papers, listen to the radios and talk to each other while sipping on kamalwa with the lusekhe so they know what’s happening.
- In light of the above, people can already see where the Bukusu politicians have brought us from and where they are taking us. They can see through the smokescreen of selfishness and personal gain espoused by our politicians. They are talks and actions relating to the practices of washing off the sins created by associating with people who have shed blood (ford K and PNU 2007). They call it kumusambwa.
- Like political maniac always says, the overtone window has shifted. People have realised that it is about what they can gain from policies that a party espouses. We have Nzoia sugar company that if not being run down and farmers not getting paid for their sugar harvests, the profits are taken elsewhere. They have Trans Nzoia and the schemes (the bread basket of the country) whose profits get channelled elsewhere. They have milk producing cows with proceeds heading elsewhere. They have the fact that they are a district with close proximity to the Ugandan border but no politician or government sees any direction on how to better enhance the situation to their gain. They have seen the airstrip by the junction approaching Bungoma town run down with potholes without a single plane landing for years while agricultural produce goes to waste in the farms.
- I remember during the referendum campaigns when everywhere Eugene stopped by, be it Bungoma town, Kanduyi , Kibabii or Kitale, he had people telling him that its in their interests that the new constitution comes through with the main reason being devolution. He had elders even coming to his homestead explaining to him how the constitution will help the people. Now Bungoma is a county in itself and the people have a chance to chart their furtures and their childrens futures. Now you tell us that the same people are unable to see the game being played by the No group and watermelons Uhuru and Ruto?
- Another point where you need more research is the fact that people voted for wetangula coz of his financial clout. I will ask you a question; mention any Bukusu politician with money to the extent of the Rutos et al? Weatngula has money yes, but just to the level of several Bukusu businessmen and professionals. He doesn’t have that much money to throw around. Another point you fail to realise is that with the bukusus, money does not really get you the vote. People may eat your money and go vote elsewhere. Case in point Bifwoli who came from a P2 teacher to an MP. We have campaigned in Bungoma and thrown money around and seen kina Kombo in Ewebuye throw around PNU money but still get defeated. Research on the Bungoma professional club and therein lies the channel of Wetangulas election as chairman.
To pen off. I am not entirely sure about Railas popularity in Bungoma in relation to Mudamba junior (havent researched yet)but he is quite popular. I can bet you its not because he is Raila but because of the ideals he and the party espouses.
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Ok, you still state that Maragolis are the largest. Just reseach on that and trust me i will admit it when you prove me wrong.
On your question, My Mp is Bifwoli wakoli. It is something i am often embarrased to say but hey, he got the votes. Our clan spans from Sirisia down the road through Kanduyi all the way to Bumula.
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Post by tnk on Mar 21, 2011 1:10:50 GMT 3
omundu, gemagema
like your insight, very informative
also am sure you've seen the update, wamalwa has joined new ford kenya as the flag bearer. looks like gemagema got it right on that point
so now they have to fight to get khalwale's seat and eugenes since he has now officially defected to new ford k from ford k so that seat will shortly be declared vacant
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