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Post by kamalet on Mar 28, 2011 18:46:54 GMT 3
Kathure Are not a tard bit getting obsessed with what language a person speaks? Perhaps you should have addressed us here in kimeru to make your point. But as usual, you keep losing the plot! When Raila criticises Raila, he is not criticising the Luo as a tribe, but then it is quite convenient that you cannot see it any differently considering you are not on the roll of those that condemned the calling of a communty madoadoa before their slaughter. It is convenient depending on which bed you want to sleep in to condemn some and either cheer or ignore the others. All we ask is some consistency when you want to see tribalist. kamalet, I almost addressed you when I put my post up because I knew that you'd thump me over the head soon as I finished writing. Kamalet, I don't take principled positions based on which 'bed" I'm sleeping in. I have criticized Raila right here when I've deemed it necessary. Unlike people with your world outlook, I'm actually yearning for a country not a tribal enclave. When I look at Kenyans I see beauty all around me. I love my country and all of it's peoples. Can you grasp that? Sorry, but you dug the tribal hole and only you can cover it! If you wish to know - this mantra of "I also criticise Raila" does nto wash with me! You have a bit more to do to show "principled positions" in my little world.
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Post by roughrider on Mar 28, 2011 18:48:20 GMT 3
kamalet, I almost addressed you when I put my post up because I knew that you'd thump me over the head soon as I finished writing. Kamalet, I don't take principled positions based on which 'bed" I'm sleeping in. I have criticized Raila right here when I've deemed it necessary. Unlike people with your world outlook, I'm actually yearning for a country not a tribal enclave. When I look at Kenyans I see beauty all around me. I love my country and all of it's peoples. Can you grasp that? Amen to that!
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Post by reporter911 on Mar 28, 2011 18:49:57 GMT 3
Kathure Are not a tard bit getting obsessed with what language a person speaks? Perhaps you should have addressed us here in kimeru to make your point. But as usual, you keep losing the plot! When Raila criticises Raila, he is not criticising the Luo as a tribe, but then it is quite convenient that you cannot see it any differently considering you are not on the roll of those that condemned the calling of a communty madoadoa before their slaughter. It is convenient depending on which bed you want to sleep in to condemn some and either cheer or ignore the others. All we ask is some consistency when you want to see tribalist. kamalet, I almost addressed you when I put my post up because I knew that you'd thump me over the head soon as I finished writing. Kamalet, I don't take principled positions based on which 'bed" I'm sleeping in. I have criticized Raila right here when I've deemed it necessary. Unlike people with your world outlook, I'm actually yearning for a country not a tribal enclave. When I look at Kenyans I see beauty all around me. I love my country and all of it's peoples. Can you grasp that? Well said kathurekebaara41 it is about our country and it's people, Most Kenyans want PEACE & STABILITY and if any leaders from whichever party want to bring tribalism and bloodshed such as the one which occurred in 2007-2008 then Kenyans must and I repeat must stop them on their tracks before it happens.. KENYANS HATE TRIBALISM & IMPUNITY!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2011 18:53:19 GMT 3
In the video below Uhuru was in Meru over the weekend inciting people against those luos with his most hated being my favorite one Raila Odinga! As a meru I'd like to state that Uhuru should either speak kimeru, kiswahili or even english which we learn in school. Coming to meru turf and addressing people in kikuyu displays a particular arrogance. later in the video Francis Muthaura was speaking in Embu and you didn't hear him using kimeru in embu turf. The Embu, Kikuyu and Meru languages are similar but different. I guess Uhuru being the king that he thinks he is, can go anywhere and speak him mother tongue because we should all know it ama? in this same video, you'll see Ester Murgugi doing her crazy rant about taking clothes off and twisting history to suite her ends. What is up with her and taking cloths off? The last time she was telling Ruto that he is so hot and that she wouldn't mind "going there" with him. Can she not make passes at people privately? KIKUYU, MERU,EMBU KAMBA KING UHURU KENYATTA HE IS PLACING HIMSELF LIKE GADDAFI KING OF AFRICA ;D ;D "SO GADDAFI THOUGHT BUT THE LIBYANS THOUGHT DIFFERENTLY! actually here is the video of Mirugi talking nonsense but at least charming Ruto. and here is Bull's-Eye: Kalozo's blah blah blah..., Raila looking fine and Mirugi's blah, blah, blah...
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Post by reporter911 on Mar 28, 2011 18:55:32 GMT 3
Interesting to see when the reality hits the fan - Just the other day(yesterday ) it was Ruto and Uhuru will go after each other . After some several hours when reality sinks in its Uhuru and Ruto are tribalists . Well check the books Uhuru and Ruto have managed to end negative tribal feelings between the Kikuyus and Kalenjins unless Raila opens his old book of tricks and start selling to the nation his innuendos how Kikuyus (2005 Referendum) and Kalenjins(2010 Referendum) are the reason Kenyans are poor yada yada . Meli imeanza safari kusimamisha ningumu you must be in dream world, but i guess there many of you out there who will even strip like MP Murugi to keep King Uhuru from going to the Hague.. ati Uhuru & Ruto have brought Kikuyu's and Kalejins together? are you for real? I guess you are watching Uhuru & ruto's mad tribal ranting with tinted eye glasses..
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Post by politicalmaniac on Mar 28, 2011 19:04:05 GMT 3
What is he saying? Wapi transcript? Why is he foaming in the mouth? Why has he gone beserk? Has this man lost it kabisa? This is one angry man visiting a tirade and hate speech against Luos and the Rt Hon Prime Minister. Again what exactly did the Rt Hon Prime Minister do to him in 2008 that makes him so mad? And poor eugene, standing there like a pole, clueless. Man is this guy such a mafiya tool or what!! There will be those who will sympathize with jomo jnr and follow him to the dungeons of hell. After all insane leaders of murderous movements like the Lords Resistance Army in Uganda devotees too. But we can take these threats by jomo jnr for granted. I can bet that they are planning something to disrupt a legal victory by ODM come the next election. No way the Rt Hon Prime Minister is getting to be P.O.R.K without a bloody showdown. Now are we ready for that or what? This man jomo jnr scares the hell outta me. His eyes, his emotive speeches, his rhetoric, his gesticulations, his absolute belief in himself, all remind me of the Nazi leader. Folks we are in for a very stormy 2yrs
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2011 19:07:45 GMT 3
kamalet, I almost addressed you when I put my post up because I knew that you'd thump me over the head soon as I finished writing. Kamalet, I don't take principled positions based on which 'bed" I'm sleeping in. I have criticized Raila right here when I've deemed it necessary. Unlike people with your world outlook, I'm actually yearning for a country not a tribal enclave. When I look at Kenyans I see beauty all around me. I love my country and all of it's peoples. Can you grasp that? Sorry, but you dug the tribal hole and only you can cover it! If you wish to know - this mantra of "I also criticise Raila" does nto wash with me! You have a bit more to do to show "principled positions" in my little world. Kamalet, you are the triablist. Me, I love all of my peoples. I am a Kenyan citizen not a Meru citizen. People like you think that I should be siding with the Uhuru's of our country ati because we come from the Mt.Kenya region. Please. That is so tired and has gotten us nowhere so far.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2011 19:11:18 GMT 3
What is he saying? Wapi transcript? Why is he foaming in the mouth? Why has he gone beserk? Has this man lost it kabisa? This is one angry man visiting a tirade and hate speech against Luos and the Rt Hon Prime Minister. Again what exactly did the Rt Hon Prime Minister do to him in 2008 that makes him so mad? And poor eugene, standing there like a pole, clueless. Man is this guy such a mafiya tool or what!! There will be those who will sympathize with jomo jnr and follow him to the dungeons of hell. After all insane leaders of murderous movements like the Lords Resistance Army in Uganda devotees too. But we can take these threats by jomo jnr for granted. I can bet that they are planning something to disrupt a legal victory by ODM come the next election. No way the Rt Hon Prime Minister is getting to be P.O.R.K without a bloody showdown. Now are we ready for that or what? This man jomo jnr scares the hell outta me. His eyes, his emotive speeches, his rhetoric, his gesticulations, his absolute belief in himself, all remind me of the Nazi leader. Folks we are in for a very stormy 2yrs He is saying horrible things. Maybe kamalet can translate for us. As for Eugene, no poor him. He is a piece of work. Maybe he thinks that because he is circumcised he will be welcomed into the fold. He is just kidding himself and should stand on the right side of history.
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Post by gachquota on Mar 28, 2011 19:16:41 GMT 3
Two years iz a long time in politics ma pple am just eating ma popcorns koz wat am seeing iz a great movie.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2011 19:19:41 GMT 3
kamalet, I almost addressed you when I put my post up because I knew that you'd thump me over the head soon as I finished writing. Kamalet, I don't take principled positions based on which 'bed" I'm sleeping in. I have criticized Raila right here when I've deemed it necessary. Unlike people with your world outlook, I'm actually yearning for a country not a tribal enclave. When I look at Kenyans I see beauty all around me. I love my country and all of it's peoples. Can you grasp that? Amen to that! Roughrider the last time you replied to me you were insulting me because I called out patriarchy. Please don't think that I believe in a country that is anti-tribalism but will not challenge men and the ways they engage women. If I can state my views about tribalism here in a public forum; don't think that I can accept men who shut me down every time I raise issues of the patriarchal oppression of women and girls. If you can only hear me when I criticize people like Uhuru but can't hear me on issues sexism, then your kind of solidarity I can do without.
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Post by reporter911 on Mar 28, 2011 19:46:44 GMT 3
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Post by roughrider on Mar 28, 2011 20:10:26 GMT 3
Roughrider the last time you replied to me you were insulting me because I called out patriarchy. Please don't think that I believe in a country that is anti-tribalism but will not challenge men and the ways they engage women. If I can state my views about tribalism here in a public forum; don't think that I can accept men who shut me down every time I raise issues of the patriarchal oppression of women and girls. If you can only hear me when I criticize people like Uhuru but can't hear me on issues sexism, then your kind of solidarity I can do without. kathure, As far as I can recall, I have never insulted you. I merely disagree with your predilection of seeing the world through solely feminist lenses. As I recall, in that particular altercation I was actually quite chivalrous.... and joked liberally even trying to set you up on a date. I now see that you haboured a grudge! If in your world a different opinion equals an insult then we have bigger problems than we can imagine. I have a different, and in my opinion, better view of women and their place in society. It is an Africans view that cherishes women and outs them on a pedestal. It is not a Western view that stripes women of their woman-hood and makes the ascetic and tasteless. If to hear you is to agree with you then i wonder what on earth you are even doing on Jukwaa!
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Post by kamalet on Mar 28, 2011 20:20:04 GMT 3
Kamalet, you are the triablist. Me, I love all of my peoples. I am a Kenyan citizen not a Meru citizen. People like you think that I should be siding with the Uhuru's of our country ati because we come from the Mt.Kenya region. Please. That is so tired and has gotten us nowhere so far. KK Now Kamale is a tribalist!!! Oh you citizen of Meru why do want Uhuru to speak in kimeru to the people? Let me tell you one thing - so that you know. I do not give a rats ass who you want to support or not want to support. Your type is known, I can assure you. Secondly, I do not even come from Mount Kenya and labeling people by where they come is what OI see in some dodgy blogs. But then I realise I should not even be arguing with you...something I realised some time back when I knew a bit about where you normally come from. But if being a gikuyu I am a tribalist - so be it, and let us move on!
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Post by politicalmaniac on Mar 28, 2011 20:32:14 GMT 3
APRIL 7 COMING SOON! D-DAYTHESE GUYS WILL EITHER GO TO HAGUE OR BECOME WANTED CRIMINALS IN KENYA/internationally... PLEASE LOOK CLOSELY AT THEIR FACES.. YOU MIGHT JUST GET LUCKY TO CLAIM $$$$$$$ placed on them like in the case of BASHIR OF SUDAN... hey Saddam Husein hide in a HOLE.. but they found him ;D Sources say he hasn't decided whether to face Hague or not curently still looking at his optionssources say he hasn't decided whether to face ICC or not currently still viewing his options sources say he has decided to face Hague "ICC", he believes he took and followed orders from above... " just like police & soldiers do" he maintains that he is innocent!!
repota I thought (for public consumption) that they have all agreed to go to the wa nina of all courts in the Hague? But will they go? I doubt it.
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Post by danielwaweru on Mar 28, 2011 20:52:53 GMT 3
UHURU AND HIS PARTNERS IN CRIME RUTO & CO HAVE GONE CRAZY AND WILD -THIS RALLY SEEMS TO BE A WAR CRY! IN PRETENSE.. THIS GUYS HAVE NASTY PLANS WITH MUNGIKI GOING ON SOURCES SAY! THEY MUST BE STOPPED.. OCAMPO MUST KEEP THEM AT THE HAGUE!!NAIROBI, Kenya, Mar 28 - With only a few days before traveling to the International Criminal Court (ICC) at The Hague, Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta held a massive public rally in Muranga on Sunday where he declared that he was firmly in the 2012 Presidential race. Mr Kenyatta’s tour of Mt Kenya has been seen as his bid to consolidate the region’s vote. He used the well attended rallies to rally residents to stay behind him in his plan to succeed President Mwai Kibaki.
;D ;D SO HE THINKS MARTHA KARUA IS IRRELEVANT OR ANY OTHER KIKUYU PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE? ONLY THE KENYATTA FAMILY SPEAK FOR THE KIKUYU'S... ;D The Finance Minister was accompanied by over 10 Members of Parliament among them Eldoret North MP William Ruto who is also bound for The Hague. “We are ready even to unite with people of Nyanza in this race (to State House). We have no problem with them; we only have a problem with one person,” he said amid jeers from the crowd of Prime Minister Raila Odinga. " BULL SH-----T WHAT UTTER NONSENSE, DOES UHURU THINK HE IS PREACHING TO KIDS? KENYANS ARE NOT STUPID.. HE IS A DISGRACE...LET HIM GO ANSWER TO WHY HE PAID FOR THE SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENT KENYANS 2007-2008Mr Kenyatta and Mr Ruto on Saturday heightened their war against Mr Odinga vowing to fight him politically to the end. Speaking in Meru, the two leaders accused the PM of fighting for their political downfall and swore they were all out for "political war." "Since 2008, we went to work until Raila became too much. Now we are doing politics and we will push him to the end," said Mr Kenyatta. While issuing a statement in Parliament last week the PM hit out at the two and told them to go plead their innocence at The Hague. The Finance Minister and Mr Ruto have been summoned to appear at the ICC next week on Thursday to answer accusations that they were part of the masterminds of the deadly 2008 post election violence. Mr Kenyatta has been accused by Prosecutor Luis Moreno Ocampo of leading counter-attacks in Naivasha and Nakuru on ODM supports through the Mungiki sect. Others named by Mr Ocampo and required to appear at the Hague are ODM Chairman Henry Kosgey, Head of Civil Service Francis Muthaura, former Police Commission Major Hussein Ali and journalist Joshua arap Sang. Mr Kenyatta continued to plead his innocence against accusations that he was part of the masterminds of the post election violence. He said it was Mr Odinga who should be facing trial after refusing to concede defeat in the 2007 election and calling for mass action which led to the violence. The son of Kenya’s first President Jomo Kenyatta was installed as a Kikuyu elder in Murang’a, a signal of endorsement for the region’s leadership. ;D ;D
Mr Kenyatta called on leaders in the region to unite as the country prepares for the polls next year and exuded confidence that he would come back from the International Criminal Court unscathed.
“We plead with you people of Murang’a that we shall all stand together and work in unity,” he urged calling this the Murang’a declaration. WARNING SAME DECLARATION WAS ISSUED IN 2007-2008 AND THEN MUNGIKI GANGS HAPPENED!! WENT ON A RAMPAGE AND MURDERED THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT KENYANS...
Read more: www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/Kenyanews/Uhuru-spoils-for-a-fight-with-Raila-12199.html#ixzz1HtmCHUWq Under Creative Commons License: Attribution Non-Commercial No Derivatives
Sources on the ground say Uhuru & Ruto prefer seeing Kenya go Libya way "Civil War" if indeed they are guilty of Crimes against humanity at the Hague, rather than see Kenya prosper!!
Kenyans must inform this blood thirsty "DUO" that they do not own Kenya, or Central or Rift Valley.. they may bribe some to attend their Kumkunji's or bribe some to slaughter innocent Kenyans.. but their day of reckoning has come.. UHURU, RUTO, KIBAKI & CO ARE A DANGER TO KENYA!! THEY WANT CIVIL WAR!!!AND THEY MUST BE STOPPED BEFORE THEY CAUSE MORE INNOCENT DEATHS IN KENYA!!!In the video below Uhuru was in Meru over the weekend inciting people against those luos with his most hated being my favorite one Raila Odinga! As a meru I'd like to state that Uhuru should either speak kimeru, kiswahili or even english which we learn in school. Coming to meru turf and addressing people in kikuyu displays a particular arrogance. later in the video Francis Muthaura was speaking in Embu and you didn't hear him using kimeru in embu turf. The Embu, Kikuyu and Meru languages are similar but different. I guess Uhuru being the king that he thinks he is, can go anywhere and speak him mother tongue because we should all know it ama? in this same video, you'll see Ester Murgugi doing her crazy rant about taking clothes off and twisting history to suite her ends. What is up with her and taking cloths off? The last time she was telling Ruto that he is so hot and that she wouldn't mind "going there" with him. Can she not make passes at people privately? Kathure, this is just false. In neither video is there anything that looks even remotely like incitement to hatred against Luo. In the Meru video, there is no mention whatsoever of Luo. In the Muranga video, Uhuru very explicitly says that he would be willing to ally with people in Nyanza: his one and only problem is with Raila.
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Post by danielwaweru on Mar 28, 2011 21:15:33 GMT 3
What is he saying? Wapi transcript? Why is he foaming in the mouth? Why has he gone beserk? Has this man lost it kabisa? This is one angry man visiting a tirade and hate speech against Luos and the Rt Hon Prime Minister. Again what exactly did the Rt Hon Prime Minister do to him in 2008 that makes him so mad? And poor eugene, standing there like a pole, clueless. Man is this guy such a mafiya tool or what!! There will be those who will sympathize with jomo jnr and follow him to the dungeons of hell. After all insane leaders of murderous movements like the Lords Resistance Army in Uganda devotees too. But we can take these threats by jomo jnr for granted. I can bet that they are planning something to disrupt a legal victory by ODM come the next election. No way the Rt Hon Prime Minister is getting to be P.O.R.K without a bloody showdown. Now are we ready for that or what? This man jomo jnr scares the hell outta me. His eyes, his emotive speeches, his rhetoric, his gesticulations, his absolute belief in himself, all remind me of the Nazi leader. Folks we are in for a very stormy 2yrs Respectfully, you're nuts. You don't know what the guy has said, which is why you're asking for a transcript, and yet you're willing to conclude that this is hate speech against Luo. The guy actually says that his only problem is with Raila; he says, in fact, that he'd be willing to work with people from Nyanza. Second, the fact is that no one is buying the ODM strategy any longer. Whipping up anti-Gikuyu hatred, and then accusing Gikuyu of tribalism has worked pretty well for you in the past. But I think the point of no return came with Christian Science Monitor's reporting of the Kalenjin plans for genocide. Not one single ODM leader spoke out. When Uhuru gives a rally in which he says that Gikuyu should unite; that the lesson of the last general election, when they were the primary victims of the mass violence, is that they should find a way to prevent it from happening again, he's the tribalist. This just isn't going to fly, I'm afraid. We can't have a country in which planning for genocide (complete with minutes!) passes without comment, whereas ethnonationalist appeals for solidarity in the face of unpunished mass murder are not acceptable. Uhuru is toast, but this new strain in Gikuyu politics is not going away.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2011 21:47:18 GMT 3
In the video below Uhuru was in Meru over the weekend inciting people against those luos with his most hated being my favorite one Raila Odinga! As a meru I'd like to state that Uhuru should either speak kimeru, kiswahili or even english which we learn in school. Coming to meru turf and addressing people in kikuyu displays a particular arrogance. later in the video Francis Muthaura was speaking in Embu and you didn't hear him using kimeru in embu turf. The Embu, Kikuyu and Meru languages are similar but different. I guess Uhuru being the king that he thinks he is, can go anywhere and speak him mother tongue because we should all know it ama? in this same video, you'll see Ester Murgugi doing her crazy rant about taking clothes off and twisting history to suite her ends. What is up with her and taking cloths off? The last time she was telling Ruto that he is so hot and that she wouldn't mind "going there" with him. Can she not make passes at people privately? Kathure, this is just false. In neither video is there anything that looks even remotely like incitement to hatred against Luo. In the Meru video, there is no mention whatsoever of Luo. In the Muranga video, Uhuru very explicitly says that he would be willing to ally with people in Nyanza: his one and only problem is with Raila. Waweru in the video above even when Uhuru speaks in kiswahili he is inciting and shoring up tribalism. our only problem is Raila blah blah blah. In kikuyu its all about we Kikuyus (i know he thinks all GEMA are Kikuyu). to paraphrase some of the stuff; ...only our people can help us right? the crowd responds right. ...we'll see who is out of line. we'll follow them home and say this is the one who is betraying us.... Those are threats to Karua, Imanyara or any other GEMA who doesn't toe the line. Uhuru should be telling kikuyus that we are all Kenyans and we should vote for people based on what they have to offer rather than their tribe. I can't wait to see that bravado come next week where nobody cares about his macho rants.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2011 21:50:32 GMT 3
Kamalet, you are the triablist. Me, I love all of my peoples. I am a Kenyan citizen not a Meru citizen. People like you think that I should be siding with the Uhuru's of our country ati because we come from the Mt.Kenya region. Please. That is so tired and has gotten us nowhere so far. KK Now Kamale is a tribalist!!! Oh you citizen of Meru why do want Uhuru to speak in kimeru to the people? Let me tell you one thing - so that you know. I do not give a rats ass who you want to support or not want to support. Your type is known, I can assure you. Secondly, I do not even come from Mount Kenya and labeling people by where they come is what OI see in some dodgy blogs. But then I realise I should not even be arguing with you...something I realised some time back when I knew a bit about where you normally come from. But if being a gikuyu I am a tribalist - so be it, and let us move on!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2011 21:53:59 GMT 3
Kamalet, you are the triablist. Me, I love all of my peoples. I am a Kenyan citizen not a Meru citizen. People like you think that I should be siding with the Uhuru's of our country ati because we come from the Mt.Kenya region. Please. That is so tired and has gotten us nowhere so far. KK Now Kamale is a tribalist!!! Oh you citizen of Meru why do want Uhuru to speak in kimeru to the people? Let me tell you one thing - so that you know. I do not give a rats ass who you want to support or not want to support. Your type is known, I can assure you. Secondly, I do not even come from Mount Kenya and labeling people by where they come is what OI see in some dodgy blogs. But then I realise I should not even be arguing with you...something I realised some time back when I knew a bit about where you normally come from. But if being a gikuyu I am a tribalist - so be it, and let us move on! After the stolen election you proceeded to insult and threaten me in all manner. we know who you are and so on. glad to know that you are still keeping tabs on me. By all means spare me and don't bother responding to anything I say. Ok? And stop lying you are a strait up Kikuyu.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Mar 28, 2011 21:55:36 GMT 3
Respectfully, you're nuts. You don't know what the guy has said, which is why you're asking for a transcript, and yet you're willing to conclude that this is hate speech against Luo. The guy actually says that his only problem is with Raila; he says, in fact, that he'd be willing to work with people from Nyanza. Second, the fact is that no one is buying the ODM strategy any longer. Whipping up anti-Gikuyu hatred, and then accusing Gikuyu of tribalism has worked pretty well for you in the past. But I think the point of no return came with Christian Science Monitor's reporting of the Kalenjin plans for genocide. Not one single ODM leader spoke out. When Uhuru gives a rally in which he says that Gikuyu should unite; that the lesson of the last general election, when they were the primary victims of the mass violence, is that they should find a way to prevent it from happening again, he's the tribalist. This just isn't going to fly, I'm afraid. We can't have a country in which planning for genocide (complete with minutes!) passes without comment, whereas ethnonationalist appeals for solidarity in the face of unpunished mass murder are not acceptable. Uhuru is toast, but this new strain in Gikuyu politics is not going away. I really dont care about jomo jnrs haughty attitude of extending an olive branch to Luos and then qualifying the invite with a rider eti he has issues with only one jaluo - Rt Hon Prime Minister. What a palinesque bromide that is. If he has no issues with Luos, just where are the Luos in his entourage? What has he done for Luos? When his jomo snr was calling Luos "insects" that needed to be crushed, after jomo snr was chased away from Kisumu, where were you? Please dont give me some weak reason about sperm not meeting egg, and therefore no embryo. Stand up now and condemn that statement. And dont give me the ignorance defense either, eti you did not know! In fact where were the Gema leaders THEN? Werent they rubbing their hands in glee calling them kehees? And why has jomo jnr not made an effort to distance himself substantively from the dark era of his father reign, when being a Luo was equated with pariah status - equivalent to being a leper or an Indian untouchable? Its laughable for him to now say eti he has no issues with Luos. Prove it, dam.n it! Where were the Gema leaders when Luos were systematically ostracized and excluded from the National pie by jomo snr? Where were they when Luo leaders were being detained and assassinated? Where were the same Gema leaders when kipkorios did the same to Luos? In fact even in Western, it was taabu tupu during jomo snr's era. That was a dark era indeed, the era that gave rise to the kipkorios era. The dark ages of jomo snr is what has led to the rift between the wana Gema and wana RV. Lets talk about the magazine you have linked. Now lets go ahead and talk about planning of violence in RV as retribution to ruto's possible indictment. I dont know under which cave you have been hiding considering who the folks are, that are talking about violence and instability if the ICC6 go to the Hague. Who exactly is sabre rattling? Is not the lame duck P.O.R.K? What did he say in his letter to the UNSC? Did he not say that the ICC6 case is politically driven and that if it goes on it will result in mayhem and anarchy? The same was repeated by Kenya's UN ambassador. He also claims that violence will result if the case goes to the Hague. Now its clear the PNU folks know about the possibility of violence. Why havent you POINTED A FINGER at jomo jnr and asked him to comment about the plot to defend his side kick ruto by creating mayhem and violence against wana Gema there? Why havent you pointed a finger at the lame duck P.O.R.K, after all, his primary duty is to safe guard life and property!! Which ODM leader are you waiting for to hear him/her condemn the planning of the violence? The Hon Prime Minister has already said he wants the ICC6 to attend sessions at the Hague!! Wacha upuzi!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2011 22:11:00 GMT 3
Roughrider the last time you replied to me you were insulting me because I called out patriarchy. Please don't think that I believe in a country that is anti-tribalism but will not challenge men and the ways they engage women. If I can state my views about tribalism here in a public forum; don't think that I can accept men who shut me down every time I raise issues of the patriarchal oppression of women and girls. If you can only hear me when I criticize people like Uhuru but can't hear me on issues sexism, then your kind of solidarity I can do without. kathure, As far as I can recall, I have never insulted you. I merely disagree with your predilection of seeing the world through solely feminist lenses. As I recall, in that particular altercation I was actually quite chivalrous.... and joked liberally even trying to set you up on a date. I now see that you haboured a grudge! If in your world a different opinion equals an insult then we have bigger problems than we can imagine. I have a different, and in my opinion, better view of women and their place in society. It is an Africans view that cherishes women and outs them on a pedestal. It is not a Western view that stripes women of their woman-hood and makes the ascetic and tasteless. If to hear you is to agree with you then i wonder what on earth you are even doing on Jukwaa! There is a difference between disagreeing and insulting people. When Uhuru disagrees with Raila he calls him a kehee. That is not disagreeing but insulting. Pull up that thread RR and we'll see if you were not insulting. Let me make it simple for you. When Black women in the USA fought with their brothers to topple legalized racism, they were not doing so only for the black men to turn around and start tormenting them via their patriarchal privileges. Is that easy enough for you? And here are some examples of your exalted African womanhood. www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rape+in+kenya&aq=f
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Post by adongo23456 on Mar 28, 2011 22:41:36 GMT 3
In the video below Uhuru was in Meru over the weekend inciting people against those luos with his most hated being my favorite one Raila Odinga! As a meru I'd like to state that Uhuru should either speak kimeru, kiswahili or even english which we learn in school. Coming to meru turf and addressing people in kikuyu displays a particular arrogance. later in the video Francis Muthaura was speaking in Embu and you didn't hear him using kimeru in embu turf. The Embu, Kikuyu and Meru languages are similar but different. I guess Uhuru being the king that he thinks he is, can go anywhere and speak him mother tongue because we should all know it ama? in this same video, you'll see Ester Murgugi doing her crazy rant about taking clothes off and twisting history to suite her ends. What is up with her and taking cloths off? The last time she was telling Ruto that he is so hot and that she wouldn't mind "going there" with him. Can she not make passes at people privately? Kathure, this is just false. In neither video is there anything that looks even remotely like incitement to hatred against Luo. In the Meru video, there is no mention whatsoever of Luo. In the Muranga video, Uhuru very explicitly says that he would be willing to ally with people in Nyanza: his one and only problem is with Raila. danielwaweru & othersI see this debate over Uhuru's declared war with the Luos has been dragged on forever. It may very well be that Uhuru has not gone out point blank to tell Luos how much he hates them and may be Uhuru only hates Raila. In fact many other leaders have been accused of saying tribalist things against communities and tribes. To tell you the truth most Luos would care less what Uhuru thinks of them. But here is Uhuru's real problem which a lot of people here have refused to address and it is the elephant in the tent. Uhuru has been charged with burning Luo children to death in their homes in Naivasha. It is in indeed a fact that Luo families were roasted in their locked homes by Mungiki gangs who Kenya have sinced learnt were mobilized and funded by Uhuru. As I have said Uhuru has maintained all along that he was doing whatever he did to protect his people. My conclusion is Uhuru is saying he had to burn a few Luo families to "protect" his people that is just colateral. Uhuru is still innocent until proven guilty, but if I was Uhuru the last thing I want to get into is a fight with Luos, calling people names as if anybody cares what Uhuru's mmm looks like and carrying wholesale incitement against the very community you have been accused of committing crimes against. At least Ruto has had the descency after he has been accused of mobilizing the violenece against Kikuyu folks not to start another series of wars with Kikuyu folk. He knows at some point he will need their forgiveness whether he goes to jail or not. On Uhuru's part killing Luos seem to be the best thing he ever did to "protect his people". That attitude is going to catch up with him. Uhuru is not dealing with hypothetical issues when it comes to Luos. He is dealing with the real thing and from his attitude I have no doubt he does not give a shit about dead Luo kids even if his boys did it. That is the horror of it all. At some point the Luos whose families he bbqued will have a face to face confrontation with him, may be at The Hague. It seems he is looking forward to it. I am sure the families and victims feel the same way. People will talk. That is inevitable. It may not be the kind of discussion the Uhurus are used to. Shauri zao. adongo
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Post by politicalmaniac on Mar 28, 2011 23:14:16 GMT 3
Infact jomo jnr is quoted as saying that "two wrongs dont make a right" in one of those videos captured when he was in Central on a tour recently, defending himself of the ICC Charges.
So how come he thought it was right back then when he authorized and funded mungiki to murder innocent kids and their families in Naivasha, yet the epicenter of violence was hundreds of miles away?
How is that dastardly act, against defense-less families far away, qualify as "protecting" wana Gema?
Lets call it for what it really is, revenge and retribution!!
jomo jnr missed a golden opportunity to acquire a Mandela halo over his head.
He should have instead called for calm, gone to RV to comfort his people, gone with a contingent of APs/GSUs to actually impose peace and secure his folks.
That would have made him a real njamba, not the mentally unstable, obstreperous, fire breathing tribalistic hack he now has become.
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Post by adongo23456 on Mar 28, 2011 23:35:09 GMT 3
PM,
I said at the beginning of this thread that if people like Uhuru were mature politicians at this very time he would have been having very serious discussions with Luo communities and reaching out to the very people he is accused of committing heinous crimes against.
Go to Kisumu meet with local leaders, talk to community elders and explain yourself. Tell them things could have gotten out of hand but you did not do what you are being accused of if that is the angle he wants to take. Express sympathy and remorse towards what happened and promise to work side by side with the community and other Kenyan communities to make sure no such thing ever happens.
Instead Uhuru is addressing mobs in his mother tongue talking about whose mmm is circumcised and all that primitive tribal chest thumping. What the heck does Uhuru want with other men's mmmes for crying out loud?
Uhuru is at least grown enough to know that when you introduce the politics of the mmm with regard to people like Raila, Luos and indeed all Kenyans know what you are saying. You are pouring filth, as primitive as it may be, on the whole community. You are indeed insulting the whole community. It is absurd that some people can't even aknowledge that. They are waiting for Uhuru to actually say how much he hates Luos. Really? Let them wait and read the SCIENCE MONITORS. Kenyans do not have that luxury.
So what Luos are hearing is Uhuru telling them only a few kihi.i kids were killed, why should it matter. They are less than human anyways. That is the dangerous path this people are taking the country.
The vicious hatred Uhuru has for the Luos is visible and palpable. You can almost smell it and right now it is the only gas in Uhuru's tank. Come to think of it, what really is the reason Uhuru is spending months now talking about nothing else but Raila. Well according to Uhuru himself, he is doing that because Raila wants to send him to The Hague.
Is it Raila who asked him to hold meetings with Mungiki? Was it Raila who asked him to send Mungiki to Naivasha to choma kids? Was it Raila who gave him money to pay Mungiki? And has it been Raila who has failed to establish credible court in the country to deal with the crimes kina Uhuru committed. NO, NO, NO and NO to all those questions.
So why the hatred and lies about Raila? What will Uhuru do when the facts start coming out and Kenyans can see for themselves why he is at The Hague. Why drag the entire Luo communities in their fight to avoid justice? Why does Uhuru has to tell Luos he has no problem with them? What makes him think that Luos think Uhuru is tribalistic against them. Simple. Because of Uhuru's actions and words.
All these brouhaha is about people like Uhuru still being in denial that they have to answer for what they did in the PEV. Well they can insult the Luos all they want. They can take their circumcised mmmes to the ICC and show it to Ocampo see if he cares. Let them ask Charles Taylor and Bemba if they are circumcised. They can have that discussion in the cells over there. This upuzi has gone too far. If kina Uhuru want a fight with the Luos he will be disappointed. Nobody really has time for him. Let's meet at The Hague. That is where the discussion will take place.
What we are seeing is that the Ocampo six think the election is On April 7, and now it is full steam ahead. Nope the elections will he held in August 2012 and Kenyans will elect whoever they so decide. Right now the Ocampo twins are engaged in a complete irrelevant warpath. That is their problem.
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Post by mzee on Mar 29, 2011 1:41:44 GMT 3
Wanjukwaa, You have done the right thing by condemning Uhuru. You have named and fingered him as a tribal madman. It wont matter how much he wants to insults the Luos. It does not even matter that he hates the luos. It wond save him from Ocampos grip.
But my request goes to the guy who rushed the Muthaura tapes to the Hague to do the same with this Uhuru nonsense. They might further strengthen Ocampos case. This is the kind of hate that led to the Naivasha slaughters.
Thats all I request for.
OBS! Wamalwa the drug lord is standing there with a wide smile really enjoying the insults.
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