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Post by shifta on Mar 30, 2011 5:11:56 GMT 3
What Does Uhuru Really Stand For? David Makali www.nairobistar.com/opinions/david-makali/18997-why-uhuru-cannot-be-trustedFor a long time Uhuru Kenyatta has cultivated the image of a secretive receding politician who shies from speaking out his mind on controversial issues. Whenever he was expected to take a stand on national issues, Uhuru retreated back to consult family, political godfathers and community. But more recently, he has become exceptionally vocal with his being named by Moreno Ocampo as a potential perpetrator of the 2008 post-election violence. But as he steps forward and whips up a political storm, many questions linger over his whole mission and whether the strategy will work. Uhuru is still dogged by the tag of a 'project’ many years after ex-president Daniel arap Moi introduced him to politics and tried to groom him to be his successor. Every step he makes seems reminiscent of that plot and calculated to accomplish that unfinished mission. It is either poor strategy or the nasty politics that have frustrated his climb to the top. Almost ten years since Moi installed him at the helm of the Kanu party, his imprint on it is insignificant. Although he is the blue-eyed boy of the system, he still has to elbow for room and consort with friends to keep his mission alive. The past ten years he has dabbled in this and that short-lived alliance, swung between the opposition and government but moneyed Uhuru still sounds like a frustrated politician struggling to find his footing. Although he is the chairman of Kanu, he has gravitated towards the Party of National Unity, Kibaki’s 2007 patchwork of mainly Central province outfits, with which Uhuru finds natural affinity. His strategy of inheriting Kibaki’s vehicle and reaching out to other areas for top up votes is being resisted by potential aspirants such as Martha Karua, George Saitoti and Peter Kenneth, who smell a whiff of hereditary politics at play. Uhuru has announced that he is coming our to fight and fight isn’t he, oh boy! But his forays and alliance-building outside Central Kenya are suspect and opportunistic at best. One can sympathise with his predicament being faced with the ICC, and an outgoing Kikuyu presidency. He has clearly stated in response to ICC’s summonses that all he did in 2008 was to “help his people” and vowed that he would do the same again in similar circumstances. That sounds like the stuff of a political martyr. We do not know what heroic things he did but we will hopefully know when he and Moreno Ocampo face each other in the Hague. Surely one cannot be charged with crimes against humanity for merely providing blankets, food and transport to displaced people. But isn’t it strange that Uhuru’s comrade in arms and ally now is his counterpart (at the Hague) in allegedly perpetrating attacks against Uhuru’s “people”. Kenyans may have to wait for the alliance to mature, but there is an eerie feeling that this is a partnership consecrated in the innocent blood of victims of post-election violence.I read in one weekend newspaper that Uhuru had declared in Meru that he and his allies have now ditched their offices to conduct “serious politics” and fight Raila because he is the one “who caused the chaos after he refused to concede defeat” and that he should be the “one to be arrested to ensure this does not happen again.” Uhuru further said that because Raila had confessed he took part in the attempted coup in 1982, he should be in jail. But the clincher was Uhuru’s assertion that “in 2007, Raila vied, was beaten, refused to accept defeat and called for violence.” If indeed Uhuru said these things and they are all true, then I think the ICC is doing a very shoddy job. But why has Uhuru taken so long to tell the world these 'truths’? And what are the Kenya police still investigating?Now we all know the genesis of this “serious politics” and Uhuru is but “politicking”. We need not hold him to specific proof because that is a matter for Raila to deal with. But I am keen to find out what Uhuru really thinks about the fate of those families that lost their loved ones, property and became destitute. I am keen to find out what he thinks about the people who were exterminated in Naivasha or burnt do death in Kiambaa church. There is clearly no love lost between the two politicians, and each must be itching for a duel to settle old scores, but should that be at the expense of justice to innocent people who voted for either Kibaki or Raila? Since 2002 when Raila ditched Uhuru, who went on to lose to Kibaki’s National Rainbow Coalition in which Raila was the matchmaker, he has always been broody. Through 2002-2007, Uhuru was thrust into the uncomfortable role of opposition leader in which he performed disastrously. But as fate would have it, he was forced by circumstances onto one side with Raila in opposing the 2005 draft constitution, through which Uhuru sat uneasily. Although he swam with the crowd, his heart was always with President Mwai Kibaki. Soon as the referendum over, Uhuru switched camp back home. We now know from Wikileaks what Uhuru thought about Kibaki throughout his first term. But does anyone really know what Uhuru stands for or indeed what his leadership would look like?
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Post by mank on Mar 30, 2011 5:23:49 GMT 3
danielwaweru,
Yesterday you claimed in response to Kathure's post that Uhuru's speech in kikuyu language in Meru and in Murang'a had no over tones of tribalism or ethnic hatred.
Today after people who actually speak kikuyu translated the speech it looked pretty loaded with overtures and threats against everybody who does not support Uhuru. In fact Uhuru even threatened to have any people in his own community who don't fuata his Nyayo followed to their homes. Very ominous stuff
.... ......adongo Whao. ... Uhuru actually went preaching hatred against Kikuyus because they are Kikuyus? That must be ominous stuff indeed! I would like to see those translations that people who actually speak Kikuyu made. Honesty and straightforwardness seems to be getting more and more unacceptable with every moment.
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Post by reporter911 on Mar 30, 2011 7:20:46 GMT 3
danielwaweru,
Yesterday you claimed in response to Kathure's post that Uhuru's speech in kikuyu language in Meru and in Murang'a had no over tones of tribalism or ethnic hatred.
Today after people who actually speak kikuyu translated the speech it looked pretty loaded with overtures and threats against everybody who does not support Uhuru. In fact Uhuru even threatened to have any people in his own community who don't fuata his Nyayo followed to their homes. Very ominous stuff
.... ......adongo Whao. ... Uhuru actually went preaching hatred against Kikuyus because they are Kikuyus? That must be ominous stuff indeed! I would like to see those translations that people who actually speak Kikuyu made. Honesty and straightforwardness seems to be getting more and more unacceptable with every moment. I would imagine if you don't understand Uhuru Kenyatta's language here then get someone to translate it clearly and precisely for you!! he is very clear in his plans to disrupt the country and hire more thugs to slaughter more innocent Kenyans!! while at the same time threatening other Kikuyu politicians IF THEY DON'T TOE THE LINE THEY WILL BE FINISHED! MEANING WHAT? ( read between the lines!! isn't people like martha Karua he is warning to be hunted down? if they vote ) who will not follow his nyayo....this thug called Uhuru Kenyatta belongs in a cell with other thugs/murderers like him and a Key thrown away.. shenzi sana, a spoon feed thug that doesn't care who he hires to be murdered!! his time has come.. if not Ocampo then he needs to be stopped by Kenyans, UHURU KENYATTA/RUTO AND THEIR PAID THUGS should never ever be given another chance to slaughter innocent Kenyans IN COLD BLOOD!!!!.. bure Kabisa!! UHURU MUST CHARGED! HE SHOULD BE LOCKED UP AT THE HAGUE WITH HIS BUDDY RUTO.. ISN'T IT THE SAME MURANGA THAT HE WENT TO HIRE THE MUNGIKI GANG MURDERERS AND PAID THEM TOP DOLLAR $$$$$$$$$$$$ TO SLAUGHTER INNOCENT KENYANS "LUO,LUHYA, KISII'S and OTHER TRIBES IN NAKURU & NAIVASHA ..
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Post by cheshirecat on Mar 30, 2011 13:03:12 GMT 3
Whao. ... Uhuru actually went preaching hatred against Kikuyus because they are Kikuyus? That must be ominous stuff indeed! I would like to see those translations that people who actually speak Kikuyu made. Honesty and straightforwardness seems to be getting more and more unacceptable with every moment. I would imagine if you don't understand Uhuru Kenyatta's language here then get someone to translate it clearly and precisely for you!! he is very clear in his plans to disrupt the country and hire more thugs to slaughter more innocent Kenyans!! while at the same time threatening other Kikuyu politicians IF THEY DON'T TOE THE LINE THEY WILL BE FINISHED! MEANING WHAT? ( read between the lines!! isn't people like martha Karua he is warning to be hunted down? if they vote ) who will not follow his nyayo....this thug called Uhuru Kenyatta belongs in a cell with other thugs/murderers like him and a Key thrown away.. shenzi sana, a spoon feed thug that doesn't care who he hires to be murdered!! his time has come.. if not Ocampo then he needs to be stopped by Kenyans, UHURU KENYATTA/RUTO AND THEIR PAID THUGS should never ever be given another chance to slaughter innocent Kenyans IN COLD BLOOD!!!!.. bure Kabisa!! UHURU MUST CHARGED! HE SHOULD BE LOCKED UP AT THE HAGUE WITH HIS BUDDY RUTO.. ISN'T IT THE SAME MURANGA THAT HE WENT TO HIRE THE MUNGIKI GANG MURDERERS AND PAID THEM TOP DOLLAR $$$$$$$$$$$$ TO SLAUGHTER INNOCENT KENYANS "LUO,LUHYA, KISII'S and OTHER TRIBES IN NAKURU & NAIVASHA .. The fiends over at Mashada.com would love you. Are you sure you are posting at the right forum?
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Post by reporter911 on Mar 30, 2011 16:15:21 GMT 3
I would imagine if you don't understand Uhuru Kenyatta's language here then get someone to translate it clearly and precisely for you!! he is very clear in his plans to disrupt the country and hire more thugs to slaughter more innocent Kenyans!! while at the same time threatening other Kikuyu politicians IF THEY DON'T TOE THE LINE THEY WILL BE FINISHED! MEANING WHAT? ( read between the lines!! isn't people like martha Karua he is warning to be hunted down? if they vote ) who will not follow his nyayo....this thug called Uhuru Kenyatta belongs in a cell with other thugs/murderers like him and a Key thrown away.. shenzi sana, a spoon feed thug that doesn't care who he hires to be murdered!! his time has come.. if not Ocampo then he needs to be stopped by Kenyans, UHURU KENYATTA/RUTO AND THEIR PAID THUGS should never ever be given another chance to slaughter innocent Kenyans IN COLD BLOOD!!!!.. bure Kabisa!! UHURU MUST CHARGED! HE SHOULD BE LOCKED UP AT THE HAGUE WITH HIS BUDDY RUTO.. ISN'T IT THE SAME MURANGA THAT HE WENT TO HIRE THE MUNGIKI GANG MURDERERS AND PAID THEM TOP DOLLAR $$$$$$$$$$$$ TO SLAUGHTER INNOCENT KENYANS "LUO,LUHYA, KISII'S and OTHER TRIBES IN NAKURU & NAIVASHA .. The fiends over at Mashada.com would love you. Are you sure you are posting at the right forum? cheshirecat ;D I guess you are new here and haven't read my previous posts ;D as for Mashada, since you seem to be a member there, i suggest you keep posting there, Jukwaa is where you say it as is.. why camouflage thieves or murderers? Uhuru & Ruto paid gangs to kill innocent Kenyans! why lie?
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Post by mank on Mar 30, 2011 16:21:04 GMT 3
I would imagine if you don't understand Uhuru Kenyatta's language here then get someone to translate it clearly and precisely for you!!..... [/size] [/quote] Would you please translate it clearly and precisely for me?
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Post by reporter911 on Mar 30, 2011 16:48:01 GMT 3
I would imagine if you don't understand Uhuru Kenyatta's language here then get someone to translate it clearly and precisely for you!!..... [/size] [/quote] Would you please translate it clearly and precisely for me?[/quote] Why should I? if you are really interested to listen & understand clearly what Uhuru is saying in Muranga to his foot Solders, same as he did in 2007-08 then having a well informed debate on it.. I'm sure you can find a Kikuyu translator even if you have to pay them for the translation since it is important for you to get the facts right..
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Post by phil on Mar 30, 2011 18:16:47 GMT 3
UHURU’S COMMENTS IN MURANGA COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE NGUNJIRI WAMBUGU, Convenor, KikuyusforChange
A Press Statement from the ‘KikuyusforChange’ Initiative
Issued in Nairobi on Wednesday 30th March 2011 at 1100 hrs
On Sunday 27th March 2011 the Deputy Prime Minister & Minister of Finance of Kenya, Hon. Uhuru Muigai Kenyatta, made the following statement before he was enthroned a Kikuyu Elder & ‘King’ of the Agikuyu.
‘We will not allow ourselves to be killed just because we do not follow our leaders. Those who fail to do this, we will follow them to their homes and expose them as the ones who are betraying us. We will say ‘See, this person is the one who is failing to work with us’.
We will not go into the issues of making him elder or King.
However, as a group that comprises members of the Agikuyu community we find the statements he made completely irresponsible, especially coming from a leader who also serves as Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Finance. They are not only dangerous, but they are also intra-ethnically and inter-ethnically divisive as well as detrimental to the national cohesiveness most of us are working so hard for, following the 2007 PEV.
In our opinion these comments are also a direct threat to internal and national democracy as they purport to determine, without input from elsewhere, what the stand of Kenya’s largest community is, as regards issues such as the ICC or post-2012 political leadership.
We want to inform the Deputy Prime Minister that we cannot stand aside and watch him completely ignore the benefits of the new constitution as regards sovereignty of the people, be they Kikuyus or members of other communities. We hereby remind him that we, the Kenyan people, will decide who will lead us.
In addition, we find the comment that ‘we died because of not following our leaders’ callous, false and insensitive, especially to the thousands of mainly Kenyan Kikuyus who even now find themselves out of home & hearth, as IDPs, in various parts of the country. The Deputy Prime Minister seems to have forgotten that these Kikuyus are actually in their present predicament because they did exactly what he is suggesting: voted for our leaders in 2007, literally to a man!
We want to remind the deputy prime minister that Agikuyus still live in camps as IDPs, and they have received neither justice nor compensation, 3 years on. This is after they watched their loved ones burnt to death in a church, or hacked and/or shot dead with arrows, or raped, or forcefully moved out of their houses and land and their hard-earned property taken over. We also want to remind the Deputy Prime Minister that despite his new found friendship with Hon Ruto, these victims of the 2007 post-election atrocities, and even those of the 1992 & 1997 atrocities, have still been unable to go back home. We are being forced to buy them land elsewhere, against new resistance from other communities.
We also want to remind the Deputy Prime Minister that the Agikuyu have not been charged at the Hague. On the 8th of April 2012 he will be going to the Hague to represent himself, in his own capacity. He will not be going to represent the Agikuyu as Kikuyu King or Elder. This means that his defence there, and even his defence here (which now seems to be focused on fighting the Prime Minister), are his personal wars: they are not between the Agikuyu and Ocampo, and certainly not between the Agikuyu and Raila.
Hon Uhuru Kenyatta must realize that, unlike him, most Kikuyus are more interested in preventing a re-occurrence of election-related violence next year, getting justice for the victims of the last election-related violence incidences, and getting them compensated and resettled. We know that he has the capacity, by himself, to take care of himself as regards political wars with his rivals, or the cases against him at the ICC.
We also make this statement because we have deliberately and consistently taken a stand against the ethnicization of the ICC process, and we take the comments he made as a direct threat to us. We believe they are targeted to us because we have publicly stated that the ICC is not about Kikuyus, but about 6 individuals-a position that goes against his message to Kikuyus. We repeat, again, that 6 individuals are going to answer to charges at the Hague: whilst others will be tried locally, also in their own personal capacity. This is not about Kikuyus, Kalenjins, Merus, Somalis, Kisii’s, Luos, etc.
We conclude by calling out to all our independent-minded political leaders in Central Province. Leaders like Hon. Muite, Hon. Karua, Hon. Kenneth: new aspiring leadership in every county: to take heart. We ask them not to accept to be intimidated or threatened, or forced to kow-tow to a monolithic, undemocratic brand of politics.
As this generation of Kenyan voters we ask anyone who wants to lead us not to be forced to follow a tribal political idealogy out of fear. Millions of Kenyans are independent enough: what we are looking for is independent leadership that will rally us behind them through ideas and policy: not through threats or coercion. That time has passed; we have learnt our lessons well, and we will vote only for those leaders who have policies that will do the greatest good, to the greatest number of Kenyans.
Signed
NGUNJIRI WAMBUGU Convenor, KikuyusforChange
Executive Director, Change Associates
(0724958331)
"When we, as Kenyans, start seeing the 'person' beyond the 'tribal tag', then we will start building a Kenya that goes beyond the Tribe." - Kikuyus for Change
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Post by nalinali on Mar 30, 2011 18:52:44 GMT 3
UHURU’S COMMENTS IN MURANGA COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE NGUNJIRI WAMBUGU, Convenor, KikuyusforChange
A Press Statement from the ‘KikuyusforChange’ Initiative
Issued in Nairobi on Wednesday 30th March 2011 at 1100 hrs On Sunday 27th March 2011 the Deputy Prime Minister & Minister of Finance of Kenya, Hon. Uhuru Muigai Kenyatta, made the following statement before he was enthroned a Kikuyu Elder & ‘King’ of the Agikuyu. ‘We will not allow ourselves to be killed just because we do not follow our leaders. Those who fail to do this, we will follow them to their homes and expose them as the ones who are betraying us. We will say ‘See, this person is the one who is failing to work with us’. We will not go into the issues of making him elder or King. However, as a group that comprises members of the Agikuyu community we find the statements he made completely irresponsible, especially coming from a leader who also serves as Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Finance. They are not only dangerous, but they are also intra-ethnically and inter-ethnically divisive as well as detrimental to the national cohesiveness most of us are working so hard for, following the 2007 PEV. In our opinion these comments are also a direct threat to internal and national democracy as they purport to determine, without input from elsewhere, what the stand of Kenya’s largest community is, as regards issues such as the ICC or post-2012 political leadership. We want to inform the Deputy Prime Minister that we cannot stand aside and watch him completely ignore the benefits of the new constitution as regards sovereignty of the people, be they Kikuyus or members of other communities. We hereby remind him that we, the Kenyan people, will decide who will lead us. In addition, we find the comment that ‘we died because of not following our leaders’ callous, false and insensitive, especially to the thousands of mainly Kenyan Kikuyus who even now find themselves out of home & hearth, as IDPs, in various parts of the country. The Deputy Prime Minister seems to have forgotten that these Kikuyus are actually in their present predicament because they did exactly what he is suggesting: voted for our leaders in 2007, literally to a man! We want to remind the deputy prime minister that Agikuyus still live in camps as IDPs, and they have received neither justice nor compensation, 3 years on. This is after they watched their loved ones burnt to death in a church, or hacked and/or shot dead with arrows, or raped, or forcefully moved out of their houses and land and their hard-earned property taken over. We also want to remind the Deputy Prime Minister that despite his new found friendship with Hon Ruto, these victims of the 2007 post-election atrocities, and even those of the 1992 & 1997 atrocities, have still been unable to go back home. We are being forced to buy them land elsewhere, against new resistance from other communities. We also want to remind the Deputy Prime Minister that the Agikuyu have not been charged at the Hague. On the 8th of April 2012 he will be going to the Hague to represent himself, in his own capacity. He will not be going to represent the Agikuyu as Kikuyu King or Elder. This means that his defence there, and even his defence here (which now seems to be focused on fighting the Prime Minister), are his personal wars: they are not between the Agikuyu and Ocampo, and certainly not between the Agikuyu and Raila. Hon Uhuru Kenyatta must realize that, unlike him, most Kikuyus are more interested in preventing a re-occurrence of election-related violence next year, getting justice for the victims of the last election-related violence incidences, and getting them compensated and resettled. We know that he has the capacity, by himself, to take care of himself as regards political wars with his rivals, or the cases against him at the ICC. We also make this statement because we have deliberately and consistently taken a stand against the ethnicization of the ICC process, and we take the comments he made as a direct threat to us. We believe they are targeted to us because we have publicly stated that the ICC is not about Kikuyus, but about 6 individuals-a position that goes against his message to Kikuyus. We repeat, again, that 6 individuals are going to answer to charges at the Hague: whilst others will be tried locally, also in their own personal capacity. This is not about Kikuyus, Kalenjins, Merus, Somalis, Kisii’s, Luos, etc. We conclude by calling out to all our independent-minded political leaders in Central Province. Leaders like Hon. Muite, Hon. Karua, Hon. Kenneth: new aspiring leadership in every county: to take heart. We ask them not to accept to be intimidated or threatened, or forced to kow-tow to a monolithic, undemocratic brand of politics. As this generation of Kenyan voters we ask anyone who wants to lead us not to be forced to follow a tribal political idealogy out of fear. Millions of Kenyans are independent enough: what we are looking for is independent leadership that will rally us behind them through ideas and policy: not through threats or coercion. That time has passed; we have learnt our lessons well, and we will vote only for those leaders who have policies that will do the greatest good, to the greatest number of Kenyans. Signed NGUNJIRI WAMBUGU Convenor, KikuyusforChangeExecutive Director, Change Associates (0724958331) "When we, as Kenyans, start seeing the 'person' beyond the 'tribal tag', then we will start building a Kenya that goes beyond the Tribe." - Kikuyus for Change Phil Great piece. The punch in this piece is the reference to intra-tribal dynamics. It is good that they not only point out the damage Uhuru's charade is doing to what is left of inter ethnic-cohesion, but also that they put him on the spot for threatening fellow Kikuyu leaders. Something tells me that Uhuru will have to be stopped in his tracks by the criticism of those from his assumed base alongside that by other kenyans. Finally it is beginning to make a lot more sense that Uhuru should be confronted with sealed arrest warrants (where possible) and locked at the Hague next week. He is doing a lot more to cause fear and bad blood among the populace. I will find it objectionable that he should travel to the Hague and come back home to continue this trend.
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Post by job on Mar 30, 2011 20:22:51 GMT 3
It is quite refreshing to realize that a number of pragmatic Gikuyus are not at all into this Uhuru ethnic-mobilization coolaid. Can I hear Amen!
Decent Gikuyu people are hereby rejecting their coerced lining-up behind a Gikuyu warlord accused of masterminding the massacre of fellow Kenyans of Luo, Luhya and Kalenjin ethnicities.
After the Thika, Nyeri, Meru, and Muranga rallies, this is the first eloquent answer I've read against the dedicated and relentless calls for GEMA devotion to a leadership of two warlords - Uhuru and Ruto.
I would have almost wondered, how can an entire community submit itself into endorsing mass slaughter and deadly violence.
I was beginning to fear for Kenya, because once the entire GEMA completely devouts itself to the warlord, ditto Kalenjin, then other communities might follow suit, with their own versions of warlords. Ngai fafa! It would then be all about warlordism. ... a virtual race for the baddest warlords...and we shall have no more nation.
Mr Ngunjiri and his organization have shown real leadership, offering a better alternative - away from angry populism and hateful rhetoric. Focus should be on reconciliation and tolerance of our diversity. This group needs to be met and embraced by other similar groups from other communities.
This is an organic effort to resist corruption of their Gikuyu ethnic identity. How about others too? By stating his group wont guarantee Gikuyu leadership to an ICC-bound warlord, they are resisting the adulteration of their culture. War criminals will not be given blanket community shields. Mungiki warlords wont be allowed to silence democratic rights of the Karuas, Kenneths and Muites.
It is said that in some communities today, to be a good member, one has to be a hater of ICC (& Ocampo). Communal allegiances need to be refocused on substantive issues and deeds - surely not protecting warlords.
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Post by kamalet on Mar 30, 2011 20:48:31 GMT 3
Considering the vitriol that is the gikuyu suffer in this forum, I am pleasantly surprised that some organisation calling itself Kikuyus For Change is worth cheering.
These fools do not even realise the ethnic criticism they throw at Uhuru is also bound in their organisation which is ethnic based. Just what change do they want as gikuyus that they cannot seek as Kenyans?
That is the stupidity of that statement.
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Post by tnk on Mar 30, 2011 21:25:41 GMT 3
Considering the vitriol that is the gikuyu suffer in this forum, I am pleasantly surprised that some organisation calling itself Kikuyus For Change is worth cheering. These fools do not even realise the ethnic criticism they throw at Uhuru is also bound in their organisation which is ethnic based. Just what change do they want as gikuyus that they cannot seek as Kenyans? That is the stupidity of that statement. FYI these guys have a very rich agenda that is kenya focused and not tribal despite the name ngunjiri has a very interesting and solid philosophy very good chap. reminds me and cant quite find it but at one time moses kuria attempted to hijack this KFC platform with a cheap bribe of some choma and drink at sagret and was severely reprimanded. i think he got 1 or 2 people to turn up if ever any turned up.
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Post by commes on Mar 30, 2011 21:43:12 GMT 3
Considering the vitriol that is the gikuyu suffer in this forum, I am pleasantly surprised that some organisation calling itself Kikuyus For Change is worth cheering. These fools do not even realise the ethnic criticism they throw at Uhuru is also bound in their organisation which is ethnic based. Just what change do they want as gikuyus that they cannot seek as Kenyans? That is the stupidity of that statement. The Great KamaleWe have had breakfast, lunch and dinner here at jukwaa though on separate tables. I wonder how I missed this post. It is a serious allegation that the gikuyu are tormented on this forum. This has never been the case. I guess it is a question of generalization or interpretation. It is never the intention to target a community. When Raila is targeted it is easy to drag luos in it with a general comment similar to when Ruto is mentioned, it is easy to add a rider the Kalenjins.
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Post by kamalet on Mar 30, 2011 21:57:43 GMT 3
Considering the vitriol that is the gikuyu suffer in this forum, I am pleasantly surprised that some organisation calling itself Kikuyus For Change is worth cheering. These fools do not even realise the ethnic criticism they throw at Uhuru is also bound in their organisation which is ethnic based. Just what change do they want as gikuyus that they cannot seek as Kenyans? That is the stupidity of that statement. The Great KamaleWe have had breakfast, lunch and dinner here at jukwaa though on separate tables. I wonder how I missed this post. It is a serious allegation that the gikuyu are tormented on this forum. This has never been the case. I guess it is a question of generalization or interpretation. It is never the intention to target a community. When Raila is targeted it is easy to drag luos in it with a general comment similar to when Ruto is mentioned, it is easy to add a rider the Kalenjins. [/quote ...238 posts and you already know this?
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Post by johnmaina on Mar 30, 2011 23:09:53 GMT 3
kamale i can assure you that kyuks are not picked on this site except for the psychotic tribal ones like you and likeminded which jukwaa should continue to castigate with pleasure and facts. i see just like the war monger, drug addict and international mass murderer uhuru kenyatta you are invoking the entire kyuk tribe to defend your insanity that they are picked on here in jukwaa.
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Post by tnk on Mar 30, 2011 23:30:32 GMT 3
kamale i can assure you that kyuks are not picked on this site except for the psychotic tribal ones like you and likeminded which jukwaa should continue to castigate with pleasure and facts. i see just like the war monger, drug addict and international mass murderer uhuru kenyatta you are invoking the entire kyuk tribe to defend your insanity that they are picked on here in jukwaa. thanks buddy, well said
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Post by reporter911 on Mar 31, 2011 0:36:37 GMT 3
;D ;D ;D ;D MARTIN NGATIA SAYS IT ALL...ON OCAMPO 6 AND THEIR CAHOOTS! MICHUKI & CO
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Post by gachquota on Mar 31, 2011 2:24:36 GMT 3
;D ;D ;D ;D MARTIN NGATIA SAYS IT ALL...ON OCAMPO 6 AND THEIR CAHOOTS! MICHUKI & CO Ngatia says da whole truth.
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Post by adongo23456 on Mar 31, 2011 6:41:34 GMT 3
hehehehehehehe Don't mess with the king of darkness
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Post by funkentelechy on Mar 31, 2011 8:25:35 GMT 3
Finally it is beginning to make a lot more sense that Uhuru should be confronted with sealed arrest warrants (where possible) and locked at the Hague next week. He is doing a lot more to cause fear and bad blood among the populace. I will find it objectionable that he should travel to the Hague and come back home to continue this trend. I second that motion. The other 5 can return. Uhuru should be detained on April 7, with restrictions on contact with the mass media and even the Internet.
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Post by dola121945 on Mar 31, 2011 12:04:36 GMT 3
Finally it is beginning to make a lot more sense that Uhuru should be confronted with sealed arrest warrants (where possible) and locked at the Hague next week. He is doing a lot more to cause fear and bad blood among the populace. I will find it objectionable that he should travel to the Hague and come back home to continue this trend. I second that motion. The other 5 can return. Uhuru should be detained on April 7, with restrictions on contact with the mass media and even the Internet. Let's all just wait and see what happens on D-day there have been some shouting matches, declaration of mass action once the cases are read out and if some actions are to be taken. We asked these people to be calm and prepare their defences well, but seems they have been busy praying for hail mary passes and at the same time disregarding Ocampo's strict terms of their summons. I am so excited(the only word I could think of at the time to express the emotions I feel with regards to this casee, finally some justice will be on the offing I believe) waiting for the day when the charges are read out and to see the faces of the accused and what gets to happen after. It will be such a sight , trust me !
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Post by gachquota on Mar 31, 2011 15:32:29 GMT 3
Mass action I thot dat waz an incitement...... P.N.U r rudderless ship.
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Post by Titchaz on Mar 31, 2011 17:27:54 GMT 3
;D ;D ;D ;D MARTIN NGATIA SAYS IT ALL...ON OCAMPO 6 AND THEIR CAHOOTS! MICHUKI & CO Ahhh!!!...Mazee I love this guy vibaya sana. He cracks me up with his hard hitting statements. I know Michuki would not wanna hear his name being called out as a betrayer of the Mau Mau alongside Kibaki, yet know they are now leading this country. Martin Ngatia wewe ni wetu aisee!!!..Love you big.... ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Titchaz on Mar 31, 2011 18:35:00 GMT 3
UHURU WARNS LEADERS WHO DIVIDE KIKUYU. THE organisers of the Muranga ceremony where Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta was installed as Kikuyu leader on Sunday say they they did not make him a king. Before the installation Uhuru had warned that leaders who divide the Kikuyu that they will be flushed out and dealt with.“We should not be afraid to be called Kikuyus. All of us should follow our muthamaki (great leader) Kibaki. None of these leaders here would have made it to Parliament in 2007 if they did not support Kibaki. Now they pretend they made it to Parliament on their own. When Kibaki says something or shows the direction to follow, they are the first ones to contradict him. The first person to betray us to others is one of us. I want to tell all the leaders here that if any one of them fails to toe the line, they should know that their politics is over." "If Kibaki tells us to go to the left, we should do so, just like Ruto tells his people to go one way and they all do so. We will noT allow ourselves to be killed just because we are not following our leaders. Those who fail to do this, we will follow them to their homes and expose them as the ones who are betraying us. We will say 'See, this person is the one who is failing to work with us'." “We have one disease, and that disease is the disease of loving ourselves, that we leaders do not listen to each other. When we vied in 2007, we stood by many parties. I even don’t know how many they were,” he said. “And that is why the ones we were competing with had the chance to claim that we stole the votes, because when votes were counted, Kibaki’s party did not have people because they had been scattered in other parties.”Speaking in Kikuyu, Fr Gitonga who presided over the ceremony told the rally , “Now we are going to make Uhuru the King of the Kikuyu community and King of the entire country. We are going to give him this stick which has nine levels which signify the clans of the Kikuyu community." He used both the words muthamaki and kingi. Yesterday Fr Gitonga told the Star, “I know I mentioned the word king during the ceremony but that was a mistake. Traditionally we did not have a king in the Kikuyu community but we made him an elder.” Retired priest Fr Joachim Gitonga is the chairman of the Kikuyu council of elders in Murang’a East district. Murang’a is the home ground of Planning assistant minister Peter Kenneth, considered a potential rival to Uhuru. He was not at the ceremony because he was in Ikolomani campaigning for Bonny Khalwale in the upcoming by-election. Gitonga told the Star why Murang'a was chosen.“It is here in Murang’a that Jomo Kenyatta was chosen by the Kikuyu Association, who were Kikuyu elders then, to go to send the memorandum of independence, the land and education to Colonial Secretary and to the Prime Minister in 1929,” said Fr Gitonga. Fr Gitonga said in 1962 when Kenyatta was released from prison, the then MP Kariuki wa Njiri stepped down in favour of Kenyatta who was declared MP for Kigumo which covered the entire Murang’a.“People had come all the way from all parts of Central including Meru to see Kenyatta declared the MP for Kigumo,” he said. “That is the history I am disclosing to Uhuru so that he remembers where President Kenyatta started,” he added. Speaking in Kikuyu, Fr Gitonga told the rally, “We will also give him a stool, which is for sitting when he is presiding over cases, guiding the people and showing them what to do in the country." Fr Gitonga was the founding Principal of the Murang'a College of Technology.Fr Gitonga said the elders picked Uhuru for his leadership qualities.“By giving him muthigi (long stick), it was very significant to the Kikuyu, I will compare it with the mace in Parliament,” said Fr Gitonga.“We gave him the cloth made from wild animal hide. This was worn by all Kikuyu elders and it is also a symbol of authority,” he said. He said the flywhisk handed to Uhuru was a traditional symbol of authority for keeping peace. www.nairobistar.com/national/national/19094-uhuru-has-not-been-made-king-warns-rivals-that-they-will-be-flushed-out
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Post by adongo23456 on Mar 31, 2011 18:43:28 GMT 3
Titchaz
We need that piece and videos of Uhuru's speech in Murang'a in Ocampo's hands mara moja. I am sure they are going to get there. What Uhuru says about Kibaki is proof positive that he will never be charged with any crimes in Kenya. And the threats Uhuru is issuing on how people who don't follow him would be dealt with. These should be music to Ocampo's ears. Talk about making blunder after blunder.
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