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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 7, 2011 18:48:31 GMT 3
I had posted this on the Ocampo thread but has decided post it on a new thread because there has been the official response from Nyong'o. I am in a rush I will post Nyng'o's brief response later.
Folks, I have just received an e-mail from my good friend Oduor Ong'wen. Apparently the PNU busy bodies came up with a crazy idea expecting the Ocampo six to get into trouble with hate speech.
What the PNU boys did was to fake a letter allegedly written by ODM and signed by Prof. Anyang' Nyong'o addressed to Ocampo asking Ocampo to be tough on the suspects because they have been spewing hate speech.
The fakers made a few mistakes. The fake letter head they made is different from the real ODM letter head. Of course the letter is terribly written. Mr. Ongwen upon veryfying that the letter was fake turned it over to the police boss Mr. Iteere. It seems the purpose of the letter was to incite chaos under the pretext that ODM has worked with Ocampo to further make life difficult for the suspects. Also the fakers planned that should any of the suspects end up detained it will be seen as ODM's work and that could spark clashes.
I am not posting the fake letter but I have it and expect to hear about it in the news pretty soon. These people are very dangerous.
Here is what ndugu Ongwen had to say:
Dear Compatriots,
The attached has been e-mailed to me by a person completely unknown to me (one James Ongeri whose e-mail address is as shown). On keen look at the so-called Ocampo letter, I noticed that it is a forgery as the letterhead differs with the official ODM (the party just last week communicated with me on professional matters and I realised the letterheads are different).
I have copied Mr. Iteere, the Commissioner of Police, Prof. Nyong'o whose purported signature is appended and other persons concerned with national security as well as the author (Mr. Ongeri).
If indeed this is a forgery, we need not look far to understand the intentions of the author. I believe the misuse or abuse of ICT tools like e-mails, SMS, facebook etc.contributed significantly to the serious crisis of wanton violence, murders, rape and destructions of 2007/2008.
Apparently, there are Kenyans who think PEV was a picnic and are calling for another "due to great public demand" we should stop them on their tracks, regrdless of whatever political, religious, ethnic or whatever their motivations are. WE HAVE ONLY ONE KENYA
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Post by phil on Apr 7, 2011 19:32:29 GMT 3
This looks like the handiwork of state intelligence officers.
The same people who spread the false rumour last week that ODM had booked off all the open grounds in Nairobi to prevent Uhuru and Ruto holding their rally.
What is Nyongo's response. Sometimes, you may as well leave the party response to be done by the junior officers of the party.
And while at it, when is ODM starting its own propaganda wing, then we see just who between ODM and PNU has better spinners and propagandist?
ODM needs to wake up. This is politics bwana.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Apr 7, 2011 19:46:21 GMT 3
This looks like the handiwork of state intelligence officers. The same people who spread the false rumour last week that ODM had booked off all the open grounds in Nairobi to prevent Uhuru and Ruto holding their rally. What is Nyongo's response. Sometimes, you may as well leave the party response to be done by the junior officers of the party. And while at it, when is ODM starting its own propaganda wing, then we see just who between ODM and PNU has better spinners and propagandist? ODM needs to wake up. This is politics bwana. Bw. Phil, at the moment ODM is better served by keeping quiet, staying out of town and keeping their tails where they belong. No one is listening, Raila tried with his not so wise address to the nation, you know how that went. Have you read or seen it anywhere in the news? In any case Ocampo and ICC are doing the bidding for them at the moment, so why waste their time?
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Post by job on Apr 7, 2011 20:00:50 GMT 3
I believe the misuse or abuse of ICT tools like e-mails, SMS, facebook etc.contributed significantly to the serious crisis of wanton violence, murders, rape and destructions of 2007/2008. These are traceable! Obviously the NSIS is already back at their propaganda, using misappropriated taxpayer money. When the dust shall settle, Kenyans shall realize that the NSIS is right at the center of the malignancy of ethnic hate, incitement, (and even the PEV) plaguing the nation! I see this coming out in the near future.
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Post by tnk on Apr 7, 2011 20:07:58 GMT 3
== PRESS RELEASE
I would like to bring public attention to a letter circulating under my name as Secretary General of the ODM and addressed to Moreno Ocampo.
I am currently in New York, having arrived here on Sunday for a UN meeting.
At no time have I, or any other party official, written such a poorly scripted letter to Hon. Ocampo.
This forgery should be dismissed with the contempt it deserves.
Anyang’ Nyong’o Secretary General ODM ==
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 7, 2011 21:00:23 GMT 3
tnk, thanks.
Phil, I think Nyong'o responded because his name appears in the letter as the author. And his response was brief which is a good thing. You don't want to get into mud wrestling with folks who live in the mud. That is their home.
But the desperation is getting very dangerous. Something happens at the Hague, this kind of letter is distributed as leaflets and people are dashing for their pangas and arrows and heads are falling. It takes one spark to burn down a whole forest.
I did not post the letter because I do not want to give it any publicity at all but it is an ugly piece of work where the ODM are allegedly begging Ocampo to pretty much lock these guys up. It is a good thing it has been nabbed in the bud. If we had a decent police force such things would be investigated to weed out bad elements, but as job pointed out this could very well be the handiwork of the NSIS.
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Post by nalinali on Apr 8, 2011 5:17:04 GMT 3
tnk, thanks. Phil, I think Nyong'o responded because his name appears in the letter as the author. And his response was brief which is a good thing. You don't want to get into mud wrestling with folks who live in the mud. That is their home. But the desperation is getting very dangerous. Something happens at the Hague, this kind of letter is distributed as leaflets and people are dashing for their pangas and arrows and heads are falling. It takes one spark to burn down a whole forest. I did not post the letter because I do not want to give it any publicity at all but it is an ugly piece of work where the ODM are allegedly begging Ocampo to pretty much lock these guys up. It is a good thing it has been nabbed in the bud. If we had a decent police force such things would be investigated to weed out bad elements, but as job pointed out this could very well be the handiwork of the NSIS. Adongo Hard as I may, I cannot quite get the logic of outing a thief/murderer and then struggling to keep their identity discreet ostensibly to protect them while being faithful to the human inclination for moderation(not fanning the flames so to speak). The assumption being that one is dealing with normal behavior. Would that not be the strongest incentive for the thief/murderer to design a worse scheme and go ahead to actualize it. One may then say "Oh you see, I knew he was a murderer all along, but out of moderation and human bond, did not expose him". That will be fine but then murder will have occurred already. Thereafter, every explanation will be of trailing irrelevance. Such a basic analogy, admittedly, but one with which I am trying to get a rationale for ODM's assumption this is just one of the many schemes by PNU/NSIS which will come a cropper. Why not splash the letter for all to see and judge, even if it means buying space in the papers and following it up with a public demand for explanation/investigation. Would that not be the kind of deterrence and shaming that the architects of the letter need. Seems to me that the tepid approach to such propaganda by ODM is the impetus needed to do worse things by the other side. What if the ICC had actually gone ahead to confine some of the six? Please post the letter and let us have ODM shouting about it through every media available back home in Kenya. Nyongo's letter is insufficient. ODM is losing every propaganda war by a tepid, jerky and often clumsy response even to some issues that should be countered head-on (this being one of them).
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 8, 2011 5:53:27 GMT 3
tnk, thanks. Phil, I think Nyong'o responded because his name appears in the letter as the author. And his response was brief which is a good thing. You don't want to get into mud wrestling with folks who live in the mud. That is their home. But the desperation is getting very dangerous. Something happens at the Hague, this kind of letter is distributed as leaflets and people are dashing for their pangas and arrows and heads are falling. It takes one spark to burn down a whole forest. I did not post the letter because I do not want to give it any publicity at all but it is an ugly piece of work where the ODM are allegedly begging Ocampo to pretty much lock these guys up. It is a good thing it has been nabbed in the bud. If we had a decent police force such things would be investigated to weed out bad elements, but as job pointed out this could very well be the handiwork of the NSIS. Adongo Hard as I may, I cannot quite get the logic of outing a thief/murderer and then struggling to keep the their identity discreet ostensibly to protect them while being faithful to the human inclination for moderation(not fanning the flames so to speak). The assumption being that one is dealing with normal behavior. Would that not be the strongest incentive for the thief/murderer to design a worse scheme and go ahead to actualize it. One may then say "Oh you see, I knew he was a murderer all along, but out of moderation and human bond, did not expose him". That will be fine but then murder will have occurred already. Thereafter, every explanation will be of trailing irrelevance. Such a basic analogy, admittedly, but one with which I am trying to gate o rationale for ODM's assumption this is just one of the many schemes by PNU/NSIS which will come a cropper. Why not splash the letter for all even if it means buying space in the papers and following it up with a public demand for explanation/investigation. Would that not be the kind of deterrence and shaming that the architects of the letter need. Seems to me that the tepid approach to such propaganda by ODM is the impetus needed to do worse things by the other side. What if the ICC had actually gone ahead to confine some of the six? Please post the letter and let us have ODM shouting about it through every media available back home in Kenya. Nyongo's letter is insufficient. ODM is losing every propaganda war by a tepid, jerky and often clumsy response even to some issues that should be countered head-on (this being one of them). nalinali,I agree. I have read the letter again. It is so pathetic and ridiculous, it betrays itself as an act of desperate forces. I will post it right here tomorrow morning and let the Jukwaa readers judge for themselves. I was ready to err on the side of caution. Not anymore. Expect the hideous letter for all to see. thank you.
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 8, 2011 9:04:29 GMT 3
This is ODM-Raila trying to play offensive . The issue of letters died during 2007 elections even you Adongo can fake a letter and purport its P.N.U. propagandists who have made that letter. This is why we asked UhuRuto to go to the people . Hakuna mambo ya letter na press conferences - hiyo wachia Nyongo Midiwo na Kajwangs - they are not effective as they were in 2007
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Post by mzee on Apr 8, 2011 9:20:31 GMT 3
Going to the people? To do what? Remember one more tribal epithet and kaboom. So its only truth that will set them free this time round. Mambo ya kupayuka shouting Raila this or that is tired. By the way I love the rallies for they are the last nail in the gangs coffins. So let them go to the so called people.
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 8, 2011 16:30:10 GMT 3
OK folks, as I promised we have now unleashed the despicable piece of trash minted by PNU crooks. It seems the plan was that should anybody be detained they would unleash this in the streets and towns and the clear message would be that ODM and Raila have locked folks. The ressult is quite predictable. There is a pdf version complete with the letter head in full colour. But here is the piece of crap. Office Of The Prosecutor International Criminal Court Communications Post Office Box 19519 2500CM The Hague The NetherlandsAtt: Luis Moreno-OcampoRE: HATE SPEECH, REQUESTING YOUR URGENT ATTENTION Dear Sir I once again humbly write to you to intervene in a matter of pressing National Importance. This matter is of concern to the Hon Prime Minister, with whose express authority I write this letter, both in his capacity as coprincipal ofGovernment, and as the head of the majority party in the Republic of Kenya.In the past few days, as the six suspects prepare to make their maiden appearance in court, there has been a flurry of political activities by two of the suspects, specifically, William Samoei Ruto and Uhuru Kenyatta. In our opinion, and those of the majority of Kenyans, these developments are alarming and abhorrent. Inflammatory speeches have been made in vernacular, (copy enclosed) stoking memories of the 2007 violence they orchestrated. ODM as a party, under the leadership of the Right Honorable PM, Raila Odinga, EGH, wishes to condemn these speeches. We are a National party and view Kenya as acohesive society, and we do not accept that any Kenyan should make a speech on National TV in any other than a National language, of which only English and Kiswahili are recognized. ODM has always adhered to this principal of National identity. We have a National Cohesion body tasked with taking firm action against such individuals, but it has time and again shown it's impotence in confronting individuals from the PNU wing of government. In view of the lack of any other credible organization that can take remedial action, we hereby implore you, onthe behalf of the majority of Kenyans, to use your good offices to bring an end to this tribal crusade.Our legal officers have unanimously opined that you have the power to seek the detention of these suspects if you can prove that they are promoting additional violence. The tape submitted herein and the translated transcript, provide you solid evidence of this fact.Although this particular tape is now in the public domain, we submit it, plus this letter, under the same confidentiality privilege under which we have been providing evidence against our errant party members who comprise two of your suspects and whose actions in the violence we abhor.We trust that you will take up this matter with the same vigour you have consistently displayed against those who would destroy the fabric of our society, committing crimes against the innocent. It is our position that the security of Kenyans and ongoing reconciliation efforts would be compromised if these warmongers are allowed to return home immediately. Signed Anyang' Nyongo Chungwa Moja, Maisha Bora 2
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Post by t2011 on Apr 8, 2011 16:40:58 GMT 3
I had posted this on the Ocampo thread but has decided post it on a new thread because there has been the official response from Nyong'o. I am in a rush I will post Nyng'o's brief response later. Folks, I have just received an e-mail from my good friend Oduor Ong'wen. Apparently the PNU busy bodies came up with a crazy idea expecting the Ocampo six to get into trouble with hate speech. What the PNU boys did was to fake a letter allegedly written by ODM and signed by Prof. Anyang' Nyong'o addressed to Ocampo asking Ocampo to be tough on the suspects because they have been spewing hate speech. The fakers made a few mistakes. The fake letter head they made is different from the real ODM letter head. Of course the letter is terribly written. Mr. Ongwen upon veryfying that the letter was fake turned it over to the police boss Mr. Iteere. It seems the purpose of the letter was to incite chaos under the pretext that ODM has worked with Ocampo to further make life difficult for the suspects. Also the fakers planned that should any of the suspects end up detained it will be seen as ODM's work and that could spark clashes. I am not posting the fake letter but I have it and expect to hear about it in the news pretty soon. These people are very dangerous. Here is what ndugu Ongwen had to say: Dear Compatriots,The attached has been e-mailed to me by a person completely unknown to me (one James Ongeri whose e-mail address is as shown). On keen look at the so-called Ocampo letter, I noticed that it is a forgery as the letterhead differs with the official ODM (the party just last week communicated with me on professional matters and I realised the letterheads are different). I have copied Mr. Iteere, the Commissioner of Police, Prof. Nyong'o whose purported signature is appended and other persons concerned with national security as well as the author (Mr. Ongeri). If indeed this is a forgery, we need not look far to understand the intentions of the author. I believe the misuse or abuse of ICT tools like e-mails, SMS, facebook etc.contributed significantly to the serious crisis of wanton violence, murders, rape and destructions of 2007/2008. Apparently, there are Kenyans who think PEV was a picnic and are calling for another "due to great public demand" we should stop them on their tracks, regrdless of whatever political, religious, ethnic or whatever their motivations are. WE HAVE ONLY ONE KENYA ATT Adongo Do not shy bwana next time they throw the mud let us have it , some smart alecs are here we will pinpoint the exact source of email . The wars is on but this time no noise.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Apr 8, 2011 16:44:09 GMT 3
OK folks, as I promised we have now unleashed the despicable piece of trash minted by PNU crooks. It seems the plan was that should anybody be detained they would unleash this in the streets and towns and the clear message would be that ODM and Raila have locked folks. The ressult is quite predictable. There is a pdf version complete with the letter head in full colour. But here is the piece of crap. Office Of The Prosecutor International Criminal Court Communications Post Office Box 19519 2500CM The Hague The NetherlandsAtt: Luis Moreno-OcampoRE: HATE SPEECH, REQUESTING YOUR URGENT ATTENTION Dear Sir I once again humbly write to you to intervene in a matter of pressing National Importance. This matter is of concern to the Hon Prime Minister, with whose express authority I write this letter, both in his capacity as coprincipal ofGovernment, and as the head of the majority party in the Republic of Kenya. In the past few days, as the six suspects prepare to make their maiden appearance in court, there has been a flurry of political activities by two of the suspects, specifically, William Samoei Ruto and Uhuru Kenyatta. In our opinion, and those of the majority of Kenyans, these developments are alarming and abhorrent. Inflammatory speeches have been made in vernacular, (copy enclosed) stoking memories of the 2007 violence they orchestrated. ODM as a party, under the leadership of the Right Honorable PM, Raila Odinga, EGH, wishes to condemn these speeches. We are a National party and view Kenya as acohesive society, and we do not accept that any Kenyan should make a speech on National TV in any other than a National language, of which only English and Kiswahili are recognized. ODM has always adhered to this principal of National identity. We have a National Cohesion body tasked with taking firm action against such individuals, but it has time and again shown it's impotence in confronting individuals from the PNU wing of government. In view of the lack of any other credible organization that can take remedial action, we hereby implore you, onthe behalf of the majority of Kenyans, to use your good offices to bring an end to this tribal crusade.Our legal officers have unanimously opined that you have the power to seek the detention of these suspects if you can prove that they are promoting additional violence. The tape submitted herein and the translated transcript, provide you solid evidence of this fact.Although this particular tape is now in the public domain, we submit it, plus this letter, under the same confidentiality privilege under which we have been providing evidence against our errant party members who comprise two of your suspects and whose actions in the violence we abhor.We trust that you will take up this matter with the same vigour you have consistently displayed against those who would destroy the fabric of our society, committing crimes against the innocent. It is our position that the security of Kenyans and ongoing reconciliation efforts would be compromised if these warmongers are allowed to return home immediately. Signed Anyang' Nyongo Chungwa Moja, Maisha Bora 2 Surely, this reads like a true ODM letter and it in many ways corroborates the PM's views in his last address. It is also in tandem with ODMs actions and behavior over the twin issues of the ICC and deferral. Does it not surprise that Ocampo has already and immediately applied for some of those conditionalities requested in this letter to be enforced by the court?
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 8, 2011 16:47:09 GMT 3
t2011
I have just posted it up there. And I will forward the e-mail version to those who want it. I think they have pretty much figured where it came from. It takes a real low life to do what these PNU goons were trying to do. They got busted real quick.
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 8, 2011 16:52:46 GMT 3
could they have done better job:) to look legit? why do these desperate guys keep making the same mistakes of thinking that Kenyans are fools and they can play by the same dirty games with the ICC the way they do it with our corrupt system in Kenya? if there is any faked evidence it will be known.. as for Ruto.. Martha Karua the then Minister of Justice, Uhuru & Co compiled evidence against him.. now he will know the truth on who gave the mud on him and if he is indeed guilty then he should carry his own cross!!
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 8, 2011 17:04:02 GMT 3
OK folks, as I promised we have now unleashed the despicable piece of trash minted by PNU crooks. It seems the plan was that should anybody be detained they would unleash this in the streets and towns and the clear message would be that ODM and Raila have locked folks. The ressult is quite predictable. There is a pdf version complete with the letter head in full colour. But here is the piece of crap. Office Of The Prosecutor International Criminal Court Communications Post Office Box 19519 2500CM The Hague The NetherlandsAtt: Luis Moreno-OcampoRE: HATE SPEECH, REQUESTING YOUR URGENT ATTENTION Dear Sir I once again humbly write to you to intervene in a matter of pressing National Importance. This matter is of concern to the Hon Prime Minister, with whose express authority I write this letter, both in his capacity as coprincipal ofGovernment, and as the head of the majority party in the Republic of Kenya. In the past few days, as the six suspects prepare to make their maiden appearance in court, there has been a flurry of political activities by two of the suspects, specifically, William Samoei Ruto and Uhuru Kenyatta. In our opinion, and those of the majority of Kenyans, these developments are alarming and abhorrent. Inflammatory speeches have been made in vernacular, (copy enclosed) stoking memories of the 2007 violence they orchestrated. ODM as a party, under the leadership of the Right Honorable PM, Raila Odinga, EGH, wishes to condemn these speeches. We are a National party and view Kenya as acohesive society, and we do not accept that any Kenyan should make a speech on National TV in any other than a National language, of which only English and Kiswahili are recognized. ODM has always adhered to this principal of National identity. We have a National Cohesion body tasked with taking firm action against such individuals, but it has time and again shown it's impotence in confronting individuals from the PNU wing of government. In view of the lack of any other credible organization that can take remedial action, we hereby implore you, onthe behalf of the majority of Kenyans, to use your good offices to bring an end to this tribal crusade.Our legal officers have unanimously opined that you have the power to seek the detention of these suspects if you can prove that they are promoting additional violence. The tape submitted herein and the translated transcript, provide you solid evidence of this fact.Although this particular tape is now in the public domain, we submit it, plus this letter, under the same confidentiality privilege under which we have been providing evidence against our errant party members who comprise two of your suspects and whose actions in the violence we abhor.We trust that you will take up this matter with the same vigour you have consistently displayed against those who would destroy the fabric of our society, committing crimes against the innocent. It is our position that the security of Kenyans and ongoing reconciliation efforts would be compromised if these warmongers are allowed to return home immediately. Signed Anyang' Nyongo Chungwa Moja, Maisha Bora 2 Surely, this reads like a true ODM letter and it in many ways corroborates the PM's views in his last address. It is also in tandem with ODMs actions and behavior over the twin issues of the ICC and deferral. Does it not surprise that Ocampo has already and immediately applied for some of those conditionalities requested in this letter to be enforced by the court? mwalimumkuuMy friend one would have to be super dumb to think ODM wrote this. First like I said the letter head which you can't see there was messed up. They thought they were designing one then they forgot that the ODM letter had has solid letters there was completely different. At any rate, one does not need to see the letter to figure this is as fake as they come. It is terribly written to begin with. They cannot distinguish between prinpal and principle. Ayang' Nyong'o is not that daft. Then they go to pains to show that ODM has been communicating with Ocampo all along and has been passing information specifically about Ruto and Kosgey to Ocampo. That is an irrelevant piece of information. So why is it in the letter. Basically to convince the reader that ODM is the one who has been feeding Ocampo with information and they have their own confidential channels to do so. Of what value would that be to ODM with regards to this letter. So unless one has a completely dead brain it is pretty easy to see this fake for what it is. The serious matter is not that this purely written piece of crap is fake, it is the motives for which it was written. The motive was to incite immediate eruption of violence and ethnic wars should any of the Ocampo six, particularly the big warlords be detained at The Hague. That is how nasty these people are and I am sure if ODM and others are able to find who actually authored this piece of garbage it is proof positive that some people are planning real bad things for the country.As I said the e-mail of the person who sent it to Ongwen is known. The matter is in the hands of the police, don't laugh now. I think this will be unearthed. Stay tuned.
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Post by kamalet on Apr 8, 2011 17:27:18 GMT 3
Surely, this reads like a true ODM letter and it in many ways corroborates the PM's views in his last address. It is also in tandem with ODMs actions and behavior over the twin issues of the ICC and deferral. Does it not surprise that Ocampo has already and immediately applied for some of those conditionalities requested in this letter to be enforced by the court? mwalimumkuuMy friend one would have to be super dumb to think ODM wrote this. First like I said the letter head which you can't see there was messed up. They thought they were designing one then they forgot that the ODM letter had has solid letters there was completely different. At any rate, one does not need to see the letter to figure this is as fake as they come. It is terribly written to begin with. They cannot distinguish between prinpal and principle. Ayang' Nyong'o is not that daft. Then they go to pains to show that ODM has been communicating with Ocampo all along and has been passing information specifically about Ruto and Kosgey to Ocampo. That is an irrelevant piece of information. So why is it in the letter. Basically to convince the reader that ODM is the one who has been feeding Ocampo with information and they have their own confidential channels to do so. Of what value would that be to ODM with regards to this letter. So unless one has a completely dead brain it is pretty easy to see this fake for what it is. The serious matter is not that this purely written piece of crap is fake, it is the motives for which it was written. The motive was to incite immediate eruption of violence and ethnic wars should any of the Ocampo six, particularly the big warlords be detained at The Hague. That is how nasty these people are and I am sure if ODM and others are able to find who actually authored this piece of garbage it is proof positive that some people are planning real bad things for the country.As I said the e-mail of the person who sent it to Ongwen is known. The matter is in the hands of the police, don't laugh now. I think this will be unearthed. Stay tuned. AdongoEven if we were to concede that the letter is a fake and the only distinguishing feature was the discovery by your friend Oduor Ong'wen that the ODM letterhead may be different from the original, do you think if the letter ever got to Ocampo he would be able to tell that it did not come from ODM? Bottomline is that if ODM thinks it is a fake, then it should ignore it for nothing gives a rumour credibility that a denial. What is not helpful is the fact that the requests in the letter tend to align themselves with the demands by Ocampo! Can you imagine how effective in debunking the letter it would have been if you at least shown the date of the letter to be after Ocampo's request? Now ODM is left with the problem of defending something that works against it!
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 8, 2011 17:57:20 GMT 3
Kamale,
What I am concerned with and why we are going to unearth this thing is the motive? To me this was an act of direct incitement to violence and mayhem. If indeed it turns out to be from PNU they will have to answer for it. This letter may very well end up in Ocampo's hand as evidence of the extent to which some people are determined to help unleash mayhem and chaos in the country through lies and dangerous propaganda.
As far as any sensible person can tell the fakeness is actually to obvious to worry about. People have seen how the ICC court operates those lies of so and so influencing ocampo and the ICC have been exposed by people actually seeing how the court works. The Castle of sand your chaps built is being washed away by the very first waves. na bado.
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Post by kamalet on Apr 8, 2011 18:02:32 GMT 3
Kamale, What I am concerned with and why we are going to unearth this thing is the motive? To me this was an act of direct incitement to violence and mayhem. If indeed it turns out to be from PNU they will have to answer for it. This letter may very well end up in Ocampo's hand as evidence of the extent to which some people are determined to help unleash mayhem and chaos in the country through lies and dangerous propaganda. As far as any sensible person can tell the fakeness is actually to obvious to worry about. People have seen how the ICC court operates those lies of so and so influencing ocampo and the ICC have been exposed by people actually seeing how the court works. The Castle of sand your chaps built is being washed away by the very first waves. na bado. Adongo Out of curiosity, incitement to violence and mayhem to who and by whom? Are you seriously telling me that at this time and age there are people who still will get incited to violence because of a letter such as you have written? ...I will not go there, but I am sure you know what I am alluding to!
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 8, 2011 18:24:16 GMT 3
Kamale, What I am concerned with and why we are going to unearth this thing is the motive? To me this was an act of direct incitement to violence and mayhem. If indeed it turns out to be from PNU they will have to answer for it. This letter may very well end up in Ocampo's hand as evidence of the extent to which some people are determined to help unleash mayhem and chaos in the country through lies and dangerous propaganda. As far as any sensible person can tell the fakeness is actually to obvious to worry about. People have seen how the ICC court operates those lies of so and so influencing ocampo and the ICC have been exposed by people actually seeing how the court works. The Castle of sand your chaps built is being washed away by the very first waves. na bado. Adongo Out of curiosity, incitement to violence and mayhem to who and by whom? Are you seriously telling me that at this time and age there are people who still will get incited to violence because of a letter such as you have written? ...I will not go there, but I am sure you know what I am alluding to! Kamale Which letter have I written? You guys are chickening out already. We got this covered. We know the source. The fool was not very smart. He sent his email with the letter. So that is already figured out. The motive is pretty obvious. Something happens to the warlords blame Raila and provide this as proof and then you can bring out tha pangas and arrows. The good news Kamale is that these chaps are not very smart. They are they gift that keeps giving. Wacha tu.
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Apr 8, 2011 18:34:58 GMT 3
Folks:Like I said on the thread on www.ocamposix.com, I am seriously contemplating EXPOSING and DENOUNCING some of these forgers who are lurking right here in our Jukwaa midst. Onyango Oloo
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Post by kamalet on Apr 8, 2011 18:37:02 GMT 3
Folks:Like I said on the thread on www.ocamposix.com, I am seriously contemplating EXPOSING and DENOUNCING some of these forgers who are lurking right here in our Jukwaa midst. Onyango Oloo Are you sure that is a route you want to go to Oloo?
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 8, 2011 18:47:47 GMT 3
Folks:Like I said on the thread on www.ocamposix.com, I am seriously contemplating EXPOSING and DENOUNCING some of these forgers who are lurking right here in our Jukwaa midst. Onyango Oloo Thanks Oloo We need these people exposed. Why are some people already worried about that. Toboa. We are all eyes.
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Post by commes on Apr 8, 2011 18:51:39 GMT 3
Folks:Like I said on the thread on www.ocamposix.com, I am seriously contemplating EXPOSING and DENOUNCING some of these forgers who are lurking right here in our Jukwaa midst. Onyango Oloo Are you sure that is a route you want to go to Oloo? KamaleI believe that it is a figure of speech. I have never seen it happen here if we were to go by history. OO would not do that. But it is interesting how the bubble has exploded on the Fake ODM Letter and the Ocamposix.com.Ati "Martin Smith" owns about 715 other domains? I would be worried about this.
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Post by savekenya011 on Apr 8, 2011 18:53:00 GMT 3
Folks:Like I said on the thread on www.ocamposix.com, I am seriously contemplating EXPOSING and DENOUNCING some of these forgers who are lurking right here in our Jukwaa midst. Onyango Oloo Are you sure that is a route you want to go to Oloo? uuuuummhhh help a sista out here ;D did i just hear (read ) a threat right here or do i like realy need to clean the wax outta mi ears (eyes ;D )
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