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Post by adongo23456 on Jan 7, 2012 9:13:41 GMT 3
Miguna Miguna is writing a book and for it to sell it he has to market it, people might think that he is ruining himself by talking a lot but the fact is the bridge was burnt long time ago when he was suspended, there was no way he could have gone back to the same job and live happily ever after. He has to look beyond Raila, this year will be the last time Raila has the chance to ascend to presidency and become relevant in Kenyan politics, if he losses then there is no 2016 and those using Raila's name for their own benefits will be like Moi's orphans, so Miguna should stand up for himself now, it might not be popular but one thing i know Miguna is as stubborn as Raila, there is something about Miguna that is characteristic of Raila and that is why Raila has fanatic followers, he doesn't fear and speaks his mind, the reason why he was detained by Moi is not that he was a YES man. Miguna has life after this, and with his five beautiful children who depends on him and looks upon him for protection, let the father take care of his family and he has my support, Miguna as done a lot for ODM and Raila and he deserves much better than Caroli, Orengo,Midiwo nor Isahakia. SELL BOOKS MR I WILL SUPPORT YOU. Just buy the book. And please Miguna was not detained by Moi as you allege. He was arrested for no reason by the Moi thugs after being elected as a SONU leader and appointed as the Tresurer of SONU under the leadership of Wafula Buke and Kaberere as the SG of SONU. That was in 1987. Miguna was among those lucky enough to be released from an obviously illegal police custody after facing torture and other forms of abuse. Miguna was among those who fled to Tanzania and were airlifted to Southern Africa and later made it to Canada. Needless to say it was it was a terrible and tormenting time for Miguna and other student leaders who were with him. That does not in any way minimize Miguna's suffering and torment under the Moi regime but he was not among those unfortunate enough to be detained under the notorious Public Security Act. Let's not distort known facts. We are not doing Miguna any favours by such exagerration. Of course Miguna has every right to promote and sell his book. On that we agree. |
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Post by nereah on Jan 7, 2012 12:06:26 GMT 3
for those who have been privately communicating over my thoughts on miguna, i have to cave in but you will have to bear with me because i am still not energetic enough to hold the big moral brush and paint characters for that long ... but with tremendous respect to all concerned,allow me however to condemn in the strongest terms possible,first mr and mrs miguna and the citizen tv for violating the right to privacy of those three beautiful innocent minors. lets have a look again at: [/quote][/center] those innocent little girls from nyando have been exposed to raw negative politics and attendant risks that comes with it.the children's act is clear on this and i take issue with all concern. more on this here tiny.cc/stb9n ... next! |
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Post by phil on Jan 7, 2012 12:40:07 GMT 3
nereahYour concerns are valid and it is no wonder Mrs. Miguna did not appear on any of the clips.
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jan 7, 2012 13:19:06 GMT 3
I have been browsing in silent amazement, stunned by the feasting festival by Jukwaa's digital cannibals gorging themselves in an orgy of voracious and ferocious chomping on Miguna; so impatient have they been that they have dispensed with the inconvenience of cooking or roasting Miguna sufficiently before digging their claws and baring their fangs on him; preferring instead, to devour him in real time, when he still medium rare, still alive, still bloodied from all the body blows he has sustained over the last three or four months.
In this surreal and macabre scenario, there are no holds barred: all that has been simmering in the innards of many a Jukwaaist is now being vomited in the open.
Oh, the stench of the putrid puke and the pungent bile being spewed on this and other threads!
Let me slide in sideways to say one or four things.
1. Let me start with the Citizen interview which has generated so much excitement- with some of our posters revealing their penchant for psychobabble and pseudo-Freudian insights into the subversive subconsciousness. Miguna did NOT solicit that interview. I was at his home to personally witness the genesis of that interview. Right after Miguna's press conference, Citizen's Evelyn Wambui politely approached Miguna and after introducing herself, requested for a full length feature. Those familiar with Citizen know about the "Newsmaker" slots where Evelyn or one of her colleagues goes into someone's home and tries to give a backgrounder to a person who is in the public limelight. They have done that with cabinet minister Murugi (who revealed her love for Mexican soaps and Nollywood pot boilers); Red Cross head honcho Gullet; Emma Kosgey's dad; on Friday night Lillian Muli Kanene was talking to Dennis Oliech's mum. Since it is more a human interest story, the cameras would hover into the subject's private and family life to show the human being behind the news headlines. Those of us who have known Miguna for some time know that he is an intensely private person. Even I, who has been Miguna's friend for many years, rarely meet Miguna at his house because he makes a clear separation between his public/political life and his family and domestic milieu. Some of you have noticed that Miguna's wife does NOT appear anywhere in the Citizen clip. Having consented to the laid back "get to know you" format of the "News Maker" format, it would have been ludicrous for Miguna to turn around and insist/demand on a BBC Hard Talk or CNN Cross Fire approach. Personally I did not see anything wrong with Miguna being portrayed as a father of beautiful daughters; I have seen Kibaki portayed as a grandfather, Raila as a family man, same with Ruto and other public personages. Not once have I witnessed the self-righteous hand wringing that I notice in this thread because one of Miguna's daughters was singing and another one revealing to whole wide world that she wants to be a doctor when she grows up.
2. My second point flows from the same Citizen clip. Eagle eyed Jukwaaists seemed to have been fixated on Miguna's genitals because they were quick to report that he was grabbing his crotch while fielding questions from Evelyn who was sitting across the living room-separated by tables and other pieces of furniture. I did NOT notice the hand on the crotch thing because I was concentrating on Miguna's face and the words which came out of his MOUTH when he answered questions posed to him by Evelyn. Since there seems to be a sexual insinuation being slyly implied here, let me also mischeviously ask those who noticed Miguna apparently grabbing his family jewels:
Kwani is there some sensual thing some of you have for Miguna? And to the men who first noticed this, are you revealing some subterranean homoerotic crush buried deep, deep under your Victorian moralizing? I mean, can some of you climb from that gutter you are wallowing in?
As for the one finger typing.. All of you know Miguna primarily from what he writes. Pass your kudos to that one finger which has not been flashed at you, but rather, employed to churn out hundreds of thousands of incendiary, provocative prose. And some of you went ballistic on the fact that it was a NIGERIAN movie which was showing on the telly. My goodness! Some of you should seriously get a freaking life for crying out loud! For anyone who has ever done this kind of TV interview (and I have done a couple), you know there are things called cut away shots where the camera person will ask you to stroll, and if you are a writer like Miguna, ask you sit in front of your computer and type (yes with one or twenty fingers), pretend you are watching television, drinking tea or eating githeri or omena so that when they finally show the clip it is not just a series of boring talking heads. And some of you have issues with that?! Ngai Fafa! Masira Kindaki!
3. The third point is general. The level of incessant personal attacks on Miguna- even from some of Jukwaa's finest minds-is simply mind boggling.
Onyango Oloo
Nairobi, Kenya
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Post by nereah on Jan 7, 2012 13:49:24 GMT 3
wuod gem ;D
i believe i am one of those jukwaaists you have in mind with those very desperate terms you have used above in fending off attack on miguna.
i do exercise a lot of restraint over this miguna issue because i have taken the trouble to get first hand info and the truth over this narrative is pretty stubborn.
i will share my thoughts in details in the other thread just before i take a break from jukwaa next week. unfortunately for miguna, there are people here like my senior and moderator adongo ;D ,who i have tremendous respect for, who can boldly call him out or expose him when he cross the line or gets his facts wrong like when he speaks of doing favours to agwambo on the minnesota trips yada yada....
note: i, nereah of amadi, still condemn in the strongest terms possible both mr and mrs miguna and especially the citizen tv editors, for failing to act in the best interest of the kenyan minors.
wambui tells us that the minors were due to report to school the next day and i wonder whether she prepared those children and their parents for the possible backlash of the publicity that comes with what to me is raw negative politics.
i expect mr miguna and especially mrs miguna to fire a protest letter to the editor at citizen tv.
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jan 7, 2012 14:04:10 GMT 3
Nyaminwa Nereah:
I agree with you in attacking the Citizen editors to the extent that they left a big chunk of the footage with Miguna in the editing suite.
The insertion of Caroli Omondi's rejoinders and ripostes into the prime time slot were jarring impositions and juxtapositions, alien to the format of the News Maker series.
There was obviously a last minute POLITICAL-possibly external- interference to skew what was originally intended to be a human interest profile meant for family viewing into a bare knuckled face off between Miguna and Caroli.
As for the backlash against the kids in school don't you think they have gone through that trauma already? Miguna drops off his kids to school every weekday during the school year and he is on telly and the papers every week. Besides, the kids of mothers and fathers going through hard times are more resilient than we give them credit for. Ask me.
Onyango Oloo
Nairobi, Kenya
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Post by phil on Jan 7, 2012 14:19:46 GMT 3
@ Oloo
There were two news segments on Miguna that night.
There was newsmaker series, in which Caroli never appeared, and another which formed part of the news with Caroli's rejoinders.
Here is the Caroli one, the other newsmaker appears elsewhere in the thread:
Oloo, do you agree or do not agree with some or all of the issues raised by Caroli?
Do you think Miguna's handling of his 'fallout' with the Prime Minister is reasonable given the status of the office of the Prime Minister and that of the previous relationship?
And lastly Oloo, can you ask Miguna to record statements with KACC and CID on the mega scams he supposedly witnessed at the OPM?
I repeat, the Prime Minister has not publicly commented on Janyando saga ever since it started. I wonder why Janyando is hell bent on burning bridges publicly through the press when he has direct access to his boss and colleague?
So long as Miguna plays politics with the matter, we too shall retain the right to counter his propaganda with our own.
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Post by nereah on Jan 7, 2012 14:20:59 GMT 3
Nyaminwa Nereah:I agree with you in attacking the Citizen editors to the extent that they left a big chunk of the footage with Miguna in the editing suite. The insertion of Caroli Omondi's rejoinders and ripostes were jarring impositions and juxtapositions, alien to the format of the News Maker series. There was obviously a last minute POLITICAL- possibly external- interference to skew what originally intended to be a human interest profile meant for family viewing into a bare knuckled face off between Miguna and Caroli. Onyango Oloo
Nairobi, Kenya well spoken big o, that's why it is incumbent upon the miguna's family and i charge the mother of the kids, to formally protest to the citizens editor( i am informed her name is faridah karoney) also a parent. as a result of someone sleeping on his/her job the innocent minors have been exposed to emotional risks that is attendant to their father's controversial public life. sister julie gichuru & co, i hope you are taking up this issue. shukran. |
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jan 7, 2012 14:34:50 GMT 3
@ Oloo
There were two news segments on Miguna that night. There was newsmaker series, in which Caroli never appeared, and another which formed part of the news with Caroli's rejoinders....Oloo, do you agree or do not agree with some or all of the issues raised by Caroli? . Good questions Phil. 1. Caroli Omondi was NOT supposed to appear on Citizen that night. He only did so because of the scheduled News Maker slot on Miguna. Notice in that segment you have shared with us, Miguna's sound bytes are lifted from the News Maker slot. 2. If I chose to engage you on the serious questions you have posed regarding the veracity or otherwise of Caroli's critique, I would end up writing another digital essay. On Tuesday, a Johannesburg based Kenyan friend of mine called me long distance to give me his take on the Miguna saga. He is a close friend of Caroli and he essentially repeated what Caroli was saying. I could go on and on about this. 3. But my question to you is this: Was Miguna PEDDLING FALSEHOODS in his press statement and letter to the Prime Minister? It boils down to that my friend. Either Miguna is lying or Caroli is telling the truth. These are mutually exclusive suppositions. Onyango Oloo
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jan 7, 2012 14:45:57 GMT 3
OO...By the way since u r so close with MM, have u bothered to ask him why he was still willing to work for RAO, yet his former boss is such a corrupt man? If he hadn't been suspended in the first place then what would have happened?.... Since you asked me a question, let me answer it. Miguna told me that he seriously contemplated resigning three times from his job and communicated these sentiments to the concerned parties. There is a prominent Jukwaa netizen who can separately confirm this-and he has been very critical of Miguna on this burning issue. Onyango Oloo
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Post by adongo23456 on Jan 7, 2012 15:06:28 GMT 3
I have been browsing in silent amazement, stunned by the feasting festival by Jukwaa's digital cannibals gorging themselves in an orgy of voracious and ferocious chomping on Miguna; so impatient have they been that they have dispensed with the inconvenience of cooking or roasting Miguna sufficiently before digging their claws and baring their fangs on him; preferring instead, to devour him in real time, when he still medium rare, still alive, still bloodied from all the body blows he has sustained over the last three or four months. In this surreal and macabre scenario, there are no holds barred: all that has been simmering in the innards of many a Jukwaaist is now being vomited in the open. Oh, the stench of the putrid puke and the pungent bile being spewed on this and other threads! Let me slide in sideways to say one or four things. 1. Let me start with the Citizen interview which has generated so much excitement- with some of our posters revealing their penchant for psychobabble and pseudo-Freudian insights into the subversive subconsciousness. Miguna did NOT solicit that interview. I was at his home to personally witness the genesis of that interview. Right after Miguna's press conference, Citizen's Evelyn Wambui politely approached Miguna and after introducing herself, requested for a full length feature. Those familiar with Citizen know about the "Newsmaker" slots where Evelyn or one of her colleagues goes into someone's home and tries to give a backgrounder to a person who is in the public limelight. They have done that with cabinet minister Murugi (who revealed her love for Mexican soaps and Nollywood pot boilers); Red Cross head honcho Gullet; Emma Kosgey's dad; on Friday night Lillian Muli Kanene was talking to Dennis Oliech's mum. Since it is more a human interest story, the cameras would hover into the subject's private and family life to show the human being behind the news headlines. Those of us who have known Miguna for some time know that he is an intensely private person. Even I, who has been Miguna's friend for many years, rarely meet Miguna at his house because he makes a clear separation between his public/political life and his family and domestic milieu. Some of you have noticed that Miguna's wife does NOT appear anywhere in the Citizen clip. Having consented to the laid back "get to know you" format of the "News Maker" format, it would have been ludicrous for Miguna to turn around and insist/demand on a BBC Hard Talk or CNN Cross Fire approach. Personally I did not see anything wrong with Miguna being portrayed as a father of beautiful daughters; I have seen Kibaki portayed as a grandfather, Raila as a family man, same with Ruto and other public personages. Not once have I witnessed the self-righteous hand wringing that I notice in this thread because one of Miguna's daughters was singing and another one revealing to whole wide world that she wants to be a doctor when she grows up. 2. My second point flows from the same Citizen clip. Eagle eyed Jukwaaists seemed to have been fixated on Miguna's genitals because they were quick to report that he was grabbing his crotch while fielding questions from Evelyn who was sitting across the living room-separated by tables and other pieces of furniture. I did NOT notice the hand on the crotch thing because I was concentrating on Miguna's face and the words which came out of his MOUTH when he answered questions posed to him by Evelyn. Since there seems to be a sexual insinuation being slyly implied here, let me also mischeviously ask those who noticed Miguna apparently grabbing his family jewels: Kwani is there some sensual thing some of you have for Miguna? And to the men who first noticed this, are you revealing some subterranean homoerotic crush buried deep, deep under your Victorian moralizing? I mean, can some of you climb from that gutter you are wallowing in?As for the one finger typing.. All of you know Miguna primarily from what he writes. Pass your kudos to that one finger which has not been flashed at you, but rather, employed to churn out hundreds of thousands of incendiary, provocative prose. And some of you went ballistic on the fact that it was a NIGERIAN movie which was showing on the telly. My goodness! Some of you should seriously get a freaking life for crying out loud! For anyone who has ever done this kind of TV interview (and I have done a couple), you know there are things called cut away shots where the camera person will ask you to stroll, and if you are a writer like Miguna, ask you sit in front of your computer and type (yes with one or twenty fingers), pretend you are watching television, drinking tea or eating githeri or omena so that when they finally show the clip it is not just a series of boring talking heads. And some of you have issues with that?! Ngai Fafa! Masira Kindaki!3. The third point is general. The level of incessant personal attacks on Miguna- even from some of Jukwaa's finest minds-is simply mind boggling. Onyango Oloo
Nairobi, KenyaIn all fairness Jukwaa folks have as much right to question criticise, praise redicule and respond in any way they so wish to Miguna's own criticism of others just as Miguna has a right to make those criticisms. Miguna is not a god or a saint beyond reproach and he will be the first one to say that. So lets get away from any thought that anybody questioning Miguna is somehow committing a sin in Jukwaa. I find your statement about issues being raised about Miguna as "petrid puke and pungent bile" quite disturbing in an atmosphere where we have promoted free speech as a conerstone of Jukwaa's core principles. As a matter of fact I find the whole statement below from you unneccessary. "In this surreal and macabre scenario, there are no holds barred: all that has been simmering in the innards of many a Jukwaaist is now being vomited in the open.
Oh, the stench of the putrid puke and the pungent bile being spewed on this and other threads!"As a friend and comrade both to you and to Miguna I feel it is necessary for me to raise those concerns and I am sure you willtake it in the spirit it has been raised. Secondly I think there are issues Miguna has raised that I felt I need to respond to and I have had done so without fear or favour. Let me take one example. Miguna accused Raila among other things of being unable and unprepared to write his own speeches and that it was Miguna who helped him with that. I will state for the record and you can ask Miguna himself to tell you that I am one of those approached by Miguna many times to help write some of those speeches. It was never a big deal. It came within the flow of work we were already doing. Raila as you know is very much a people person. For him mingling and interacting with people, listening to their concerns may have taken priority over fine speeches. That is an important context and Miguna of all people knows that. We all need to be honest in both directions. Raila was never making rounds to make speeches but now and again Miguna being one of the the closest persons to him would feel the need to have a well prepared speech ready for whatever occasion at home and abroad. It was work we did as a very minor part of the rapidly developing scenarios. Different people contributed whatever little they could and it was never to hold Raila hostage with that. If everybody who has participated in working with Raila or any other politician were to go to TV to list their contributions we might need a TV channel dedicated only to that. I was sometimes called by Miguna at 7.00 pm in the evening and the work had to be finished by midnight same night. It was pressure pact. These were really non issues and none of us even had the slightest idea that some day we will be boasting on TV about such to try to embarrass the person we were presumably helping. These things are done by many silent anonymous folks out there and I find it in bad taste for Miguna to use work which was not even done by him alone as a tool to bludgeon the PM just because they are having serious disagreements on which someone like me has supported Miguna when I felt it was the right thing. What is wrong with adongo ogony raising such concerns? When does that become "petrid puke"? On the issue of the kids I for one would trust Miguna's judgment as a father. He is a damn good father for those of us who have had the pleasure to know him and some of his kids. I am fond of talking about the 15 year old young gun, Karimi Adongo, simply because I really like the guy and we do al ot of things together including monumental wrestling matches where I am usually on the losing end of things. I trust that people would leave it to me to decide the limits to which I can expose him to my friends. Very soo I wil llose all such rights when he turns 18. My first born is now a grown adult living his own life. I think the one finger assault on the computer key board is just genuinely funny. I rpobably do the same except I have never seen it on TV. People are going to make fun of such things. It is OK to just laugh them off and have fun with them. You have seen Saturday Night Live comic stuff. They make fun of everybody. So yeah, while some people have their own agenda with Miguna and may cross the line now and again in their zeal to bludgeon Miguna, I think it is unfair todismiss and tarnish all criticism and commentaries about the Miguna story with the words you have used. Let's have a fair debate. Just as Miguna did not invite Citizen TV to his house but accepted their self invite, so did we not ask Miguna to go to Citizen TV. Once he goes there and says xyz, we should be allowed to comment on what he says without being made to feel like we are assaulting Miguna. It is fair game both ways. That is all I have to say and I do so knowing you are one of the few people I know who takes criticism very seriously. Otherwise I find your perpective from the vintage point of being on the ground and close to Miguna and to the media quite refreshing and helpful in grasping the whole picture. |
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Post by tactician on Jan 7, 2012 15:26:58 GMT 3
I have been browsing in silent amazement, stunned by the feasting festival by Jukwaa's digital cannibals gorging themselves in an orgy of voracious and ferocious chomping on Miguna; so impatient have they been that they have dispensed with the inconvenience of cooking or roasting Miguna sufficiently before digging their claws and baring their fangs on him; preferring instead, to devour him in real time, when he still medium rare, still alive, still bloodied from all the body blows he has sustained over the last three or four months. In this surreal and macabre scenario, there are no holds barred: all that has been simmering in the innards of many a Jukwaaist is now being vomited in the open. Oh, the stench of the putrid puke and the pungent bile being spewed on this and other threads! Let me slide in sideways to say one or four things. 1. Let me start with the Citizen interview which has generated so much excitement- with some of our posters revealing their penchant for psychobabble and pseudo-Freudian insights into the subversive subconsciousness. Miguna did NOT solicit that interview. I was at his home to personally witness the genesis of that interview. Right after Miguna's press conference, Citizen's Evelyn Wambui politely approached Miguna and after introducing herself, requested for a full length feature. Those familiar with Citizen know about the "Newsmaker" slots where Evelyn or one of her colleagues goes into someone's home and tries to give a backgrounder to a person who is in the public limelight. They have done that with cabinet minister Murugi (who revealed her love for Mexican soaps and Nollywood pot boilers); Red Cross head honcho Gullet; Emma Kosgey's dad; on Friday night Lillian Muli Kanene was talking to Dennis Oliech's mum. Since it is more a human interest story, the cameras would hover into the subject's private and family life to show the human being behind the news headlines. Those of us who have known Miguna for some time know that he is an intensely private person. Even I, who has been Miguna's friend for many years, rarely meet Miguna at his house because he makes a clear separation between his public/political life and his family and domestic milieu. Some of you have noticed that Miguna's wife does NOT appear anywhere in the Citizen clip. Having consented to the laid back "get to know you" format of the "News Maker" format, it would have been ludicrous for Miguna to turn around and insist/demand on a BBC Hard Talk or CNN Cross Fire approach. Personally I did not see anything wrong with Miguna being portrayed as a father of beautiful daughters; I have seen Kibaki portayed as a grandfather, Raila as a family man, same with Ruto and other public personages. Not once have I witnessed the self-righteous hand wringing that I notice in this thread because one of Miguna's daughters was singing and another one revealing to whole wide world that she wants to be a doctor when she grows up. 2. My second point flows from the same Citizen clip. Eagle eyed Jukwaaists seemed to have been fixated on Miguna's genitals because they were quick to report that he was grabbing his crotch while fielding questions from Evelyn who was sitting across the living room-separated by tables and other pieces of furniture. I did NOT notice the hand on the crotch thing because I was concentrating on Miguna's face and the words which came out of his MOUTH when he answered questions posed to him by Evelyn. Since there seems to be a sexual insinuation being slyly implied here, let me also mischeviously ask those who noticed Miguna apparently grabbing his family jewels: Kwani is there some sensual thing some of you have for Miguna? And to the men who first noticed this, are you revealing some subterranean homoerotic crush buried deep, deep under your Victorian moralizing? I mean, can some of you climb from that gutter you are wallowing in?As for the one finger typing.. All of you know Miguna primarily from what he writes. Pass your kudos to that one finger which has not been flashed at you, but rather, employed to churn out hundreds of thousands of incendiary, provocative prose. And some of you went ballistic on the fact that it was a NIGERIAN movie which was showing on the telly. My goodness! Some of you should seriously get a freaking life for crying out loud! For anyone who has ever done this kind of TV interview (and I have done a couple), you know there are things called cut away shots where the camera person will ask you to stroll, and if you are a writer like Miguna, ask you sit in front of your computer and type (yes with one or twenty fingers), pretend you are watching television, drinking tea or eating githeri or omena so that when they finally show the clip it is not just a series of boring talking heads. And some of you have issues with that?! Ngai Fafa! Masira Kindaki!3. The third point is general. The level of incessant personal attacks on Miguna- even from some of Jukwaa's finest minds-is simply mind boggling. Onyango Oloo
Nairobi, KenyaIn all fairness Jukwaa folks have as much right to question criticise, praise redicule and respond in any way they so wish to Miguna's own criticism of others just as Miguna has a right to make those criticisms. Miguna is not a god or a saint beyond reproach and he will be the first one to say that. So lets get away from any thought that anybody questioning Miguna is somehow committing a sin in Jukwaa. I find your statement about issues being raised about Miguna as "petrid puke and pungent bile" quite disturbing in an atmosphere where we have promoted free speech as a conerstone of Jukwaa's core principles. As a matter of fact I find the whole statement below from you unneccessary. "In this surreal and macabre scenario, there are no holds barred: all that has been simmering in the innards of many a Jukwaaist is now being vomited in the open.
Oh, the stench of the putrid puke and the pungent bile being spewed on this and other threads!"As a friend and comrade both to you and to Miguna I feel it is necessary for me to raise those concerns and I am sure you willtake it in the spirit it has been raised. Secondly I think there are issues Miguna has raised that I felt I need to respond to and I have had done so without fear or favour. Let me take one example. Miguna accused Raila among other things of being unable and unprepared to write his own speeches and that it was Miguna who helped him with that. I will state for the record and you can ask Miguna himself to tell you that I am one of those approached by Miguna many times to help write some of those speeches. It was never a big deal. It came within the flow of work we were already doing. raila as you know is very much a people person. For him mingling and interacting with people, listening to their concerns may have taken priority over fine speeches. That is an important context and Miguna of al people knows that. We all need to be honest. Raila was never making rounds to make speeches but now and again Miguna being one of the the closest persons to him would feel the need to have a well prepared speech ready for whatever occasion at home and abroad. It was work we did as a very minor part of the rapidlydeveloping stories.
I was sometimes called by Miguna at 7.00 pm in the evening and the work had to be finished by midnight same night. It was pressure pact[/size][/b]. These were really non issues and none of us even had the slightest idea that some day we will be boasting on TV about such to try to embarrass the person we were presumably helping. These things are done by many silent anonymous folks out there and I find it in bad taste for Miguna to use work which was not even done by him alone as a tool to bludgeon the PM just becasue they are having serious disagreements on which someone like me has supported Miguna when I felt it was the right thing. What is wrong with ad0ongo ogony raising such concerns? When does that become "petrid puke"? On the issue of the kids I for one would trust Miguna's judgment as a father. He is a damn good father for those of us who have had the pleasure to know him and some of his kids. I am fond of talking about the 15 year old young gun, Karimi Adongo, simply because I really like the guy and we do al ot of things together including monumental wrestling matches where I am usually on the losing end of things. I trust that people would leave it to me to decide the limits to which I can expose him to my friends. Very soo I wil llose all such rights when he turns 18. My first born is now a grown adult living his own life. I think the one finger assault on the computer key board is just genuinely funny. I rpobably do the same except I have never seen it on TV. People are going to make fun of such things. It is OK to just laugh them off and have fun with them. You have seen Saturday Night Live comic stuff. They make fun of everybody. So yeah, while some people have their own agenda with Miguna and may cross the line now and again in their zeal to bludgeon Miguna, I think it is unfair todismiss and tarnish all criticism and commentaries about the Miguna story with the words you have used. Let's have a fair debate. Just as Migun adid not invite Citizen TV tohis house but accepted their self invite, so did we not ask Miguna to go to Citizen TV. Once he goes there and says xyz, we should be allowed to comment on what he says. Itis fair game. That is all I have to say and I do so knowing you are one of the few people Iknow who takes criticism very seriously.[/quote] Good we now know you are in the Raila advisory team. In the future, It would be good if you signed off at the bottom of your commentary that you are a member of the Raila advisory team so that undiscerning readers can discern your bias. |
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Post by adongo23456 on Jan 7, 2012 15:51:35 GMT 3
Oloo,In all fairness Jukwaa folks have as much right to question criticise, praise redicule and respond in any way they so wish to Miguna's own criticism of others just as Miguna has a right to make those criticisms. Miguna is not a god or a saint beyond reproach and he will be the first one to say that. So lets get away from any thought that anybody questioning Miguna is somehow committing a sin in Jukwaa. I find your statement about issues being raised about Miguna as "petrid puke and pungent bile" quite disturbing in an atmosphere where we have promoted free speech as a conerstone of Jukwaa's core principles. As a matter of fact I find the whole statement below from you unneccessary. "In this surreal and macabre scenario, there are no holds barred: all that has been simmering in the innards of many a Jukwaaist is now being vomited in the open.
Oh, the stench of the putrid puke and the pungent bile being spewed on this and other threads!"As a friend and comrade both to you and to Miguna I feel it is necessary for me to raise those concerns and I am sure you willtake it in the spirit it has been raised. Secondly I think there are issues Miguna has raised that I felt I need to respond to and I have had done so without fear or favour. Let me take one example. Miguna accused Raila among other things of being unable and unprepared to write his own speeches and that it was Miguna who helped him with that. I will state for the record and you can ask Miguna himself to tell you that I am one of those approached by Miguna many times to help write some of those speeches. It was never a big deal. It came within the flow of work we were already doing. raila as you know is very much a people person. For him mingling and interacting with people, listening to their concerns may have taken priority over fine speeches. That is an important context and Miguna of al people knows that. We all need to be honest. Raila was never making rounds to make speeches but now and again Miguna being one of the the closest persons to him would feel the need to have a well prepared speech ready for whatever occasion at home and abroad. It was work we did as a very minor part of the rapidlydeveloping stories.
I was sometimes called by Miguna at 7.00 pm in the evening and the work had to be finished by midnight same night. It was pressure pact. These were really non issues and none of us even had the slightest idea that some day we will be boasting on TV about such to try to embarrass the person we were presumably helping. These things are done by many silent anonymous folks out there and I find it in bad taste for Miguna to use work which was not even done by him alone as a tool to bludgeon the PM just becasue they are having serious disagreements on which someone like me has supported Miguna when I felt it was the right thing. What is wrong with ad0ongo ogony raising such concerns? When does that become "petrid puke"? On the issue of the kids I for one would trust Miguna's judgment as a father. He is a damn good father for those of us who have had the pleasure to know him and some of his kids. I am fond of talking about the 15 year old young gun, Karimi Adongo, simply because I really like the guy and we do al ot of things together including monumental wrestling matches where I am usually on the losing end of things. I trust that people would leave it to me to decide the limits to which I can expose him to my friends. Very soo I wil llose all such rights when he turns 18. My first born is now a grown adult living his own life. I think the one finger assault on the computer key board is just genuinely funny. I rpobably do the same except I have never seen it on TV. People are going to make fun of such things. It is OK to just laugh them off and have fun with them. You have seen Saturday Night Live comic stuff. They make fun of everybody. So yeah, while some people have their own agenda with Miguna and may cross the line now and again in their zeal to bludgeon Miguna, I think it is unfair todismiss and tarnish all criticism and commentaries about the Miguna story with the words you have used. Let's have a fair debate. Just as Migun adid not invite Citizen TV tohis house but accepted their self invite, so did we not ask Miguna to go to Citizen TV. Once he goes there and says xyz, we should be allowed to comment on what he says. Itis fair game. That is all I have to say and I do so knowing you are one of the few people Iknow who takes criticism very seriously. Good we now know you are in the Raila advisory team. In the future, It would be good if you signed off at the bottom of your commentary that you are a member of the Raila advisory team so that undiscerning readers can discern your bias. I have never been in a Raila Advisory Team and I doubt there is any such group. You are free to wallow in your fictions but you cannot invent anything for me. I am sorry to disppoint me. If you can't comprehend what I am saying and the context I am doing so that is your problem. But highlighting two statements as some sort of big find just confirms what I already know, but I digress. I am a political activist and a thinker. That is how Isee part of my role in society apart from the things we all do as human beings. I take great pride in both. If people from time to time find my skills useful to them it is not exactly a sin. If people find your skills useful to them I am sure it will be up to you to offer any help you wish. Some of you take political issues in very narrow concepts. I don't. We all have skills. That is what separates human beings from goats for example. I have been an activist long before I met Raila. Some of us are more than just followers of the latest political fashion in town. I am particularly allergic to some of the later day tin gods that some here worship. I choose my political alliances based on my own history of standing up for what I believe in in even if it meant risking my freedom and life. It should not be hard to figure out that I would be more inclined to seek solidarity with people who have the same inclinations and history of battle. Don't expect me to come grovelling after Uhuru Kenyatta for example. I do not think you have the right nor even the ability to pigeon hile adongo ogony here or there. My interest in writing started when I was only 14 years old as a From One student in Chianda Secondary School. I have since been the Editor In Chief (crazy job title) of Sauti Ya Kamkunji at the U of N and together with Oloo we published the HAKI quarterly magazine (a human rights publication) here in Toronto for ages. I do similar things everyday and I believe I have thousands of pages of written material which one day I will put together. None of those were or are about Raila and the narrow politics of personalities that some people wallow in endlessly. Life and politcs is much bigger than Raila to some of us. You are out of luck ordering adongo to sign off his writing one way or the other because you have no clue what adongo ogony wants to write or likes to write about. Those are my options and I have no Personal Assistant to direct me one way or the other. If you want the job you will have to wait. If you come accross any pieces adongo writes here in Jukwaa where you have concerns feel free to respond. You know I will respond to you or anybody else if and when I feel like doing so. I do not need tobeg them tosign one way or the other. I will deal with the material before me and try no short cuts or cheap gimmicks for help. I trust Jukwaa folks have enough intelligence to address issues as they see them without cheap stereotypes that you are trying to peddle. People here are not exactly idiots my friend. Try them. |
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Post by tactician on Jan 7, 2012 16:17:30 GMT 3
Good we now know you are in the Raila advisory team. In the future, It would be good if you signed off at the bottom of your commentary that you are a member of the Raila advisory team so that undiscerning readers can discern your bias. I have never been in a Raila Advisory Team and I doubt there is any such group. You are free to wallow in your fictions but you cannot invent anything for me. I am sorry to disppoint me. If you can't comprehend what I am saying and the context I am doing so that is your problem. But highlighting two statements as some sort of big find just confirms what I already know, but I digress. I am a political activist and a thinker. That is how Isee part of my role in society apart from the things we all do as human beings. I take great pride in both. If people from time to time find my skills useful to them it is not exactly a sin. If people find your skills useful to them I am sure it will be up to you to offer any help you wish. Some of you take political issues in very narrow concepts. I don't. We all have skills. That is what separates human beings from goats for example. I have been an activist long before I met Raila. Some of us are more than just followers of the latest political fashion in town. I am particularly allergic to some of the later day tin gods that some here worship. I choose my political alliances based on my own history of standing up for what I believe in in even if it meant risking my freedom and life. It should not be hard to figure out that I would be more inclined to seek solidarity with people who have the same inclinations and history of battle. Don't expect me to come grovelling after Uhuru Kenyatta for example. I do not think you have the right nor even the ability to pigeon hile adongo ogony here or there. My interest in writing started when I was only 14 years old as a From One student in Chianda Secondary School. I have since been the Editor In Chief (crazy job title) of Sauti Ya Kamkunji at the U of N and together with Oloo we published the HAKI quarterly magazine (a human rights publication) here in Toronto for ages. I do similar things everyday and I believe I have thousands of pages of written material which one day I will put together. None of those were or are about Raila and the narrow politics of personalities that some people wallow in endlessly. Life and politcs is much bigger than Raila to some of us. You are out of luck ordering adongo to sign off his writing one way or the other because you have no clue what adongo ogony wants to write or likes to write about. Those are my options and I have no Personal Assistant to direct me one way or the other. If you want the job you will have to wait. If you come accross any pieces adongo writes here in Jukwaa where you have concerns feel free to respond. You know I will respond to you or anybody else if and when I feel like doing so. I do not need tobeg them tosign one way or the other. I will deal with the material before me and try no short cuts or cheap gimmicks for help. I trust Jukwaa folks have enough intelligence to address issues as they see them without cheap stereotypes that you are trying to peddle. People here are not exactly idiots my friend. Try them. You just confessed to being a speech writer for Raila. And writing a speech for someone is advising them on what to say - hence you are a Raila advisor. Pure & simple. |
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Post by adongo23456 on Jan 7, 2012 16:39:53 GMT 3
tactician,
"pure and simple" How we wish the world was so simple. Even for new borns, the world is very comples. That much I know. You heard me and I will not waste time with non issues. Clutching at straws has never been my kind of sport.
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Post by tactician on Jan 7, 2012 16:51:41 GMT 3
tactician, "pure and simple" How we wish the world was so simple. Even for new borns, the world is very comples. That much I know. You heard me and I will not waste time with non issues. Clutching at straws has never been my kind of sport. Raila's speech writer, I don't know why you protest so much - so many people would jump at the opportunity to advise the Prime Minister of the republic on what to say. You should actually be proud. But the gist of the matter is that we all now know from whose corner you are boxing when you comment. |
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Post by phil on Jan 7, 2012 17:18:55 GMT 3
@ tactician
Why are you so hell bent to derail this thread with none issues?
So what if Adongo is Raila's advisor? Please focus on the issue at hand on the thread subject.
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Post by tactician on Jan 7, 2012 17:29:43 GMT 3
@ tactician Why are you so hell bent to derail this thread with none issues? So what if Adongo is Raila's advisor? Please focus on the issue at hand on the thread subject. Phil, To the contrary, this is not a non-issue. Here's why: - The substantive issue of the thread is the back and forth between Miguna and Raila/Raila's office regarding Miguna's rejection of the re-appointment offer. - Adongo has commented quite some bit on this subject, giving his thoughts. Now that we know Adongo is Raila's advisor, doesn't that inform us as to the potential lines of thought, if not actual lines of thought, that are permeating into Raila's thinking of the whole saga? |
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Post by raiswakesho on Jan 7, 2012 17:30:40 GMT 3
OO, thanks for the insight but you'll agree with me that since MM didn't resign after witnessing for abt 3 yrs the corruption in OPM coupled with PM's inaction over the same, I find it so hard to believe the claim he made to you. But even we give him the benefit of doubt, why the hell did he even consider going back to work for Raila? Where is the integrity of this great man?
One of his conditions for accepting a recall was to report directly to the PM, now let's digest this for a second, shall we? Does it mean that MM believes that the PM is clean and only his officers are corrupt? When you talk too much you begin to contradict yourself and that's why as learned friends, we always advice our clients to stay shut.
I honestly believe that both parties could have handled this issue better. I would advice MM to stop the display and wait for his book to do the talking. He's beginning to lose credibility from the very people he hopes to sway.
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Post by phil on Jan 7, 2012 17:34:40 GMT 3
Good questions Phil. 1. Caroli Omondi was NOT supposed to appear on Citizen that night. He only did so because of the scheduled News Maker slot on Miguna. Notice in that segment you have shared with us, Miguna's sound bytes are lifted from the News Maker slot. How sure are you of this Oloo? Citizen editors might have as well sent someone to the OPM to seek their view so as to deliver a more balanced report their viewers? The fact is that the Miguna saga is of great public interest and Citizen news anchors themselves acknowledged this at the beginning of the newscast. Thus, the onus falls on the station to deliver balanced news to its viewers. I doubt if Caroli could have forced himself to appear on Miguna's newsmakers series. 2. If I chose to engage you on the serious questions you have posed regarding the veracity or otherwise of Caroli's critique, I would end up writing another digital essay. On Tuesday, a Johannesburg based Kenyan friend of mine called me long distance to give me his take on the Miguna saga. He is a close friend of Caroli and he essentially repeated what Caroli was saying. I could go on and on about this. I would be obliged if you would do this because you have done it several times for Miguna. It is the only fair thing to do now and I am sure many agree with me on this. 3. But my question to you is this: Was Miguna PEDDLING FALSEHOODS in his press statement and letter to the Prime Minister? It boils down to that my friend. Either Miguna is lying or Caroli is telling the truth. These are mutually exclusive suppositions. Onyango Oloo
NairobiCaroli did not refer to Miguna's appointment, his suspension or any of that stuff. Caroli only responded to allegations by Miguna that the OPM is a small pool full of crocodiles that he (Miguna) would not go back to if reappointed in his terms. And it was a fair response in my view. You say there is grand corruption in OPM, so what's stopping you reporting these to KACC or resigning in protest? |
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Post by mtumishiman on Jan 7, 2012 17:50:37 GMT 3
Sahar Elderkin or Salim Lone is the mutual Friend.. You are totally off the mark. Does it really matter who the mutual friend is? Onyango Oloo
Nairobi, KenyaWell, well... it is Mr Joe Ager. This is according to impeccable sources. |
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Post by nalinali on Jan 7, 2012 18:25:32 GMT 3
Any shred of respect I had left for Miguna who? disappeared after watching that Citizen segment... I cant say more but why on earth is Miguna acting the script of a petulant overfed juvenile?
History will judge him very harshly. The other time he cast aspersions on the colleges Uhuru went to, this time I wish to ask which colleges Miguna went to that taught him such constructions as "MIGUNA NO LONGER CAN BE IGNORED"
I wouldn't want to call this Kano guy an idiot but he surely is calling for it. There are limits to overblown buffoonery.
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Post by adongo23456 on Jan 7, 2012 20:41:31 GMT 3
@ tactician Why are you so hell bent to derail this thread with none issues? So what if Adongo is Raila's advisor? Please focus on the issue at hand on the thread subject. Ignore the fishermen in the jungle where there is no fish. Smart fishing folk will head to the oceans and lakes. They know you don't fish in the desert sand and expect anything but dust. Some of these people have little else on substantive issues where things have gone beyond their narrow stereotypes. If tactician was the one looking for work for me I would probably be out of work for a very long time. Fortunately that is not the case. Just clutching on anything and everything. I will wait for Oloo to respond to the issues I raised in the earlier post which tactician has tried to hijack with nonsense. Those are very serious issues from where I sit and I would like some serious discussion on them without the silly sideshows from the tacticians of Jukwaa. Those issues were raised with Oloo specifically and I will contact him about that. I am always in touch OO so that discussion will come right here on Jukwaa. The hecklers will not derail that discussion. Take that from me. |
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Post by okhunyanye on Jan 7, 2012 20:43:31 GMT 3
The insertion of Caroli Omondi's rejoinders and ripostes into the prime time slot were jarring impositions and juxtapositions, alien to the format of the News Maker series.
There was obviously a last minute POLITICAL-possibly external- interference to skew what was originally intended to be a human interest profile meant for family viewing into a bare knuckled face off between Miguna and Caroli.
OO, I disagree with your assertion that Caroli's rebuttal to Miguna's citizen tv interview was as a result of political interference. Unlike Kenyatta's TV station that has thus far exploited the fallout for Uhuru's political advantage by airing one sided Miguna attacks on the prime minister, editors at citizen TV (for ratings/commercial reasons) presented views from the other side; and boy oh boy!!!!!! Caroli mopped the floor with one Miguna Miguna. He (Caroli) was effective, appeared calm and collected, hit all the right buttons, and kept it very simple. In the process, Caroli came off as being belivable in stark contrast to Miguna who has been blowing lots of hot air with inuendo on corruption in the pm's office; vices that the Canadian barrister prefers to publish in a book rather than report to the police and become a first-hand witness against corrupt culprits in a court of law. 2. Eagle eyed Jukwaaists seemed to have been fixated on Miguna's genitals because they were quick to report that he was grabbing his crotch while fielding questions from Evelyn who was sitting across the living room-separated by tables and other pieces of furniture. Onyango Oloo
Nairobi, KenyaI saw Miguna caressing his crotch in that TV interview and I was like 'oh my God; this is bad optics especially in light of a previous rape case against Miguna Miguna in Canada.' MM should be aware that all his words, body language, intentions, and all will be analyzed and psychoanalyzed from now on and should take precautions to control for that. This is because unlike his belligerent stances against personalities in Kenya that he has engaged in in the past, he is now fighting an institution. Raila is an institution unto himself. You never win wars against institutions that easily. |
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jan 7, 2012 22:03:02 GMT 3
Well, well... it is Mr Joe Ager. This is according to impeccable sources. Your impeccable source is off the wall Mtumishiman. I indicated in an earlier post about two or three days ago that the "mutual friend" is NOT a Luo and Ager is. Miguna read your speculation and told me to tell you this (and these are his exact words):
"Tell that...Mtumishiman that I've not spoken or seen Joe Ager 4 more than 5 months."Onyango Oloo
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