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Post by b6k on Feb 9, 2012 14:15:02 GMT 3
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Post by nok on Feb 9, 2012 15:37:04 GMT 3
I am for Dezember too !
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Post by adongo23456 on Feb 9, 2012 17:32:51 GMT 3
Let's stop re-inventing the wheel when you are already sitting in a car. The issue of when elections can be held was made by a much discussed court ruling which specifically indicated that a dissolution of the coalition government by the two principals within the year 2012 would lead to an election within 60 days of the desolution. That is precisely what the IEBC has applied by asking the two principals to dissolve the coalition government in October so that elections are held in December 2012. That is a good move by the IEBC to let the principals know that they will be ready for elections. It is hardly some earth shaking development. But it does take away the argument by some that the IEBC is not ready for elections in 2012 and therefore elections should be held in March 2013. In any event the matter is now before the Court of Appeal where a group has appealed the ruling demanding parliament be dissolved in August and elections held in Oct. 2012. The Group says that is what the constitution provides for. The group also argues that a dissolution of the GCG by the two principals cannot be used to set an election timetable. It is now up to the Court of Appeal which will make its ruling on Feb. 21, 2012 to make the call. If they uphold the previous court ruling elections will most likely be held Dec. 2012. If they don't we are back to square ONE. |
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Post by b6k on Feb 9, 2012 18:37:44 GMT 3
Au contraire, Adongo. Hassan is extremely concerned by the deafening silence from the principals when it comes to a suitable date. Rather than allow them to opt for a March date (both may be held hostage by cronies who want the gravy train to chug along as long as possible) he is exercising IEBC's mandate to push for dissolution in October thus allowing for an 2012 election. Had he been a true patsy as alleged by Miguna, he could've simply sat back & not put the ball squarely in the principals court. Excerpts: 'IEBC chairman Issack Hassan told journalists on Thursday that he would make a formal request to the two principals on Friday, arguing that their silence on election date was worrying. Hassan, who was speaking after handing over a revised report on delimitation of boundaries to the parliamentary Justice and Legal Affairs Committee, added that the two had to break their silence on the next polls date so that the country can make adequate preparations. (Peruse the report here). “It is now up to the principals to help the country and avoid the suspense because it is now unnecessary suspense. They need to come out very clearly and tell us when they intend to dissolve the coalition so that people can start preparing themselves,” he said. He pointed out that civil servants who intended to vie for political office needed to be informed well in advance about the next elections so that they can resign from their positions. “It will also help political parties to plan themselves and we (IEBC) will also be able to fix a date for the elections so the ball is in their (principals’) court,” he added.' www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2012/02/iebc-to-petition-kibaki-pm-to-call-december-poll/ |
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Post by job on Feb 9, 2012 19:22:55 GMT 3
Now that it appears many fronts are pushing for December 2012 elections, we need to interrogate a few significant things. This is what I think. Should the two principals dissolve the coalition in October - paving way for December 2012 elections: - UNTIL those December elections, the Constitution stipulates that both the President and Prime Minister will continue to exercise their mandates emanating from the National Accord. That is simply because the 2007 presidential elections were indeterminate and therefore did not give either the Prime Minister or the President the mandate to govern alone.
Thus legally, until December 2012, neither party can pretend to govern alone even for the brief window period between October 2012 and December 2012.
- This issue above needs to be asserted firmly to avoid dangerous mischief from the PNU, which has previously shown reckless tendency towards self-serving unilateralism. In the past, some PNU propagandists peddled the dangerous notion that Kibaki signed the Accord on behalf of “government” while Raila signed on behalf of ODM; suggesting that Kibaki/PNU can actually continue running government (between October 2012 to December 2012) without ODM as if the former got sole mandate in 2007.
- If the Coalition is dissolved in October, the secret treasure dictating what happens between October 2012 and December 2012 lies in the Transition Clauses of the Constitution (see below).
In my view, the Transition Clauses below give power not only to the President and Prime Minister to serve until the December elections, but also to the Vice President, Deputy Prime Ministers, Ministers, and Assistant Ministers. So long as none vacates office (for reasons such as; through a Vote of No Confidence, resignation, death etc) they remain in office until elections. Here they are:Under the Sections on the Executive and Elections:
12. (1) The persons occupying the offices of President and Prime
Minister immediately before the effective date shall continue to serve
as President and Prime Minister respectively, in accordance with the
former Constitution and the National Accord and Reconciliation Act,
2008 until the first general elections held under this Constitution, unless
they vacate office in terms of the former Constitution and the Accord.
(2) The persons occupying the offices of Vice-President and
Deputy Prime Minister or holding a position in the Cabinet or as an
Assistant Minister immediately before the effective date shall continue
to serve in accordance with the former Constitution until the first general
elections held under this Constitution unless they vacate or are removed
from office in accordance with the former Constitution and the National
Accord and Reconciliation Act.
and
3. (1) Until Parliament passes the Act anticipated in Articles 15
and 18, section 93 of the former Constitution continues to apply.
(2) Sections 30 to 40, 43 to 46 and 48 to 58 of the former
Constitution, the provisions of the former Constitution concerning
the executive, and the National Accord and Reconciliation Act, shall
continue to operate until the first general elections held under this
Constitution, but the provisions of this Constitution concerning the
system of elections, eligibility for election and the electoral process
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Feb 9, 2012 21:10:58 GMT 3
Forget those still buried in the Accord, the country is moving forward and is demanding that this grand thieving coalition ends asap.
Isaak Hassan makes a heck of sense here. He has simply told the principals to come together and show leadership instead of running around town-halls with vitendawilis yet the country does not know when the general elections will be held.
As Isaak puts it, it is a very high level of irresponsibility on the part of the principals to leave Kenyans in a state of suspense as the case is now.
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Post by job on Mar 9, 2012 17:03:25 GMT 3
Did anyone note something curious & fishy about these two Daily Nation articles?www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Kibaki+says+Kenya+to+hold+polls+in+2012/-/1064/1362520/-/item/1/-/crglxs/-/index.htmlwww.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Kibaki+says+court+ruled+polls+in+2013/-/1064/1362520/-/73rbtn/-/index.htmlWhile addressing Nyeri County leaders at State House Sagana, Kibaki first declared that elections would be held at the end of this year (2012). He then changed and said, early next year..even alluding to the March 2013 court deadline.In the ensuing confusion, the Daily Nation ( with an additional NTV clip to boot) first reported that Kibaki 'announced' that elections would be held in December 2012. Literally within minutes, the Daily Nation report had changed...now reporting that Kibaki referenced to the March 2013 election date. The C.I.C. made it clear that the Constitution required elections to be held in August 2012. The interpretation fo the High Court Judges was that both principals, must first consult; agree in writing on a date within/before or by March 2013; then dissolve the coalition 60 days prior to that date. Nowhere at all does the Constitution nor Judges leave sole determination of the election date to Kibaki's whims...for casual proclamation at Sagana. Is Kibaki trying to create a Constitutional crisis? It is curious to ask why this latest attempt at unilateralism on a matter that is so sensitive. This is the same path of hard-headed and reckless unilateralism that Kibaki took the country along in the run-up to the 2007 elections. The outcome was near apocalyptic. Kibaki is recklessly heading along the same path with this show - reminiscent of the old ways under the old Constitution. It must not be allowed to happen! Ironically, whereas the Judges made their ruling a while back...Kibaki has ignored calls from the IEBC for expedient announcement of the date..to allow for prompt preparations of the big task organizing a first-time multi-faceted general election. Kibaki hitherto responded by a conspicuously loud silence....that is until he was prompted by:www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/US+urges+Kenya+to+fix+elections+date/-/1064/1362484/-/omxcfqz/-/index.htmlMrs Sherman, who was accompanied by US Ambassador to Kenya Scott Gration, said Kenya should ensure that it does not witness a repeat to the violence.
Mrs Sherman later held talks with National Assembly Speaker Kenneth Marende at Parliament Buildings where she said the US was keen in supporting the legislative role of Parliament.
“We have been supporting and we will continue to support the oversight and legislative role of parliament,” she said. That we as a country have to wait until the last minute, to precipitate crisis is not only mind-boggling but frankly outrageous. That we easily ignore Judicial rulings, ignore calls from Constitutional bodies (IEBC)...and only respond when foreign governments beckon...is as embarrassing as it gets. Why does Kibaki have to wait for the US government to tell him to follow his country's Constitution & Judicial rulings...to level with the Kenyan people regarding elections? There is no shortcut, the Judges already made it clear...Kibaki will have to consult with Raila and agree on the election date. We already know there will likely be disagreement (during the consultations) precisely because Prime Minister Raila Odinga has already publicly verbalized his preference for a 2012 election; and now President Kibaki tries to publicly distort a High Court decision by the deliberate misinformation that Judges set the date in March 2013.
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Post by phil on Mar 9, 2012 17:42:30 GMT 3
jobThe president was caught on tape declaring the election would be held this year (2012) and then later took the podium at the Nyeri function and clarified his comments on the election date as follows... Sadly, the president did not just deny what he was caught on tape saying he also went as far as insulting the reporter who filed the report correctly, calling him/her bloody&*%! and some Kenyan idiots can be heard clapping and cheering in the background as the president disowns his own words and insults a reporter who did their job correctly. I guess he mut have gotten wind that the Prime Minister would call him out on this, again! The sooner this guy retires, the better it will be for all of us.
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Post by job on Mar 9, 2012 18:02:56 GMT 3
Phil,
That's exactly why the Daily Nation retracted their earlier story. Unfortunately it was too late...many had read it.
It is clear some forces prompted Kibaki to return to the podium and retract his earlier statement about December 2012 elections. He (& cronies) are now pretending that Judges already set for us an election date - in March 2013. You're right, this mafia's greed to hang' on to power has caused a lot of indigestion in Kenya's social fabric.
The misguided pronouncement is total balderdash! Kibaki and his handlers are wading into dangerous territory by these brazen attempts to subvert the new Constitution and misrepresent Judicial rulings.
Three Judges can't give Kibaki and MPs three more months of Presidency & legislative authority respectively. All Kibaki needs to do is follow the Judges ruling - consult with the Prime Minister and agree on a date, period! Otherwise this heads back to the courts...the sooner it reaches the Supreme Court the better (despite the court's robbing of one progressive Judge - Nancy Baraza).
About three weeks ago, the PM suggested that the decision on election date be debated in Parliament - through a Substantive Bill. I thought (& still think) that was also misguided. MPs are interested parties. How does anyone expect them to vote themselves out of office? They would definitely vote to extend their stay in Parliament for the maximum period allowed. They can in fact decide on March 31st, 2012 if it may.
Therefore it is up to the PM to take leadership and do all it takes to have elections held this year (2012)...without ceding the country's leadership to the outgoing interested parties. The Judges told him exactly what role he plays...this can can't be recklessly kicked to rogue MPs.
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Post by adongo23456 on Mar 9, 2012 18:12:48 GMT 3
hehehehehehe. So Kibaki is back to the pumbavu business with village bahaviour. This is the tough part. The Ocampo boys now all of a sudden need the election done as soon as possible and certainly before they are paraded daily at the Hague to answer charges of mass murder and rape.
It is going to be a nightmare commuting from the Hague to the "Prayer" rallies of hate. They think they have a better chance if the elections are before the trials begin. That is why they are trying every delay possible. Kibaki on the other hand wants to keep sitting in the big chair as long as he can and it seems he is willing to hang onto any straw for that purpose. Now which way to go. That is their problem.
Secondly and even more deadly there are many court cases on the GE date and if Kibaki pushes it to March expect even more court cases. Now what happens if sometime in December the courts declare the GE must be held in 2012? Kibaki obviously has not thought about that. he may have to and it could be too late. That is why running a country and running a kiosk in Bondo town like I intend to do in future are two different things. I can fart in my kiosk all day and if you don't like it just go to another place. In terms of running a country there is only one and when it gets messed up everybody is in the mess. Kibaki knows that already. He has thrown the country into some of the worst crisis in its entire country. he is welcome to try another crisis. We will see how that comes down. Tuko hapa hapa.
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Post by roughrider on Mar 10, 2012 15:41:45 GMT 3
This is interesting. The PORK couldn't hold his shit together over a simple thing as the date of the next elections and confused everyone in the process. He veered off script and was promptly chastised by faceless handlers.
I have a theory... you see the earth is going round and round spinning very fast, in fact at about 1600 kms an hour. That is not easy to handle. But wait, the earth is also moving around the sun, even faster - about 107,000 kms an hour. Even as it spins!!! Its not easy for anyone to to be altogether all the time under these hectic conditions, is it?
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Post by b6k on Mar 10, 2012 17:17:28 GMT 3
One of those unscientific polls on KTN's Swahili news broadcast last night had a whopping 86% respondents clamoring for the GE to be held in 2012. Whether Kibaki's feeling the effects of spaceship earth hurtling through space, he's in for a big surprise if he dares extend his term into 2013 along with those 222 oafs who call themselves mheshimiwa. The people are tired of the GCG & are ready to move on.
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Post by b6k on Mar 15, 2012 13:16:38 GMT 3
Since the principals are yet to give us a concrete election date & most MPigs seem content with March 2013, Isaak Hassan has just announced that the IEBC will announce the election date shortly. More to follow....
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Post by b6k on Mar 15, 2012 15:19:33 GMT 3
Folks, it looks like we are stuck with the election in 2013 unless Raila says otherwise. This is the latest from the IEBC: IEBC to declare exact poll date ‘soon’ March 15th, 2012 by BERNARD MOMANYI Hassan indicated that the elections will be held after term of current Parliament expires on January 14, 2013/FILE NAIROBI, Kenya, Mar 15 – The Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (IEBC) has said it will announce the exact date of the next general elections “soon”, to end widespread anxiety in the country. IEBC Chairman Issack Hassan indicated that the elections will be held after the term of the current Parliament expires on January 14, 2013. He said the commission wrote to President Mwai Kibaki and Prime Minister Raila Odinga asking if they intended to dissolve the coalition government for elections to be held this year, but no reply has been forthcoming. “In the absence of the reply from the two coalition principals, it leaves us with no choice but to come up with an election date,” Hassan told a forum of civil society and other organisations, including media practitioners that gathered at a breakfast meeting with the commission in Nairobi to get a brief of the election preparedness. He added: “We have seen the coalition partners speaking at various forums but this cannot be taken to be a reply to our letter to them,” Hassan said. “We are going with the assumption that they have no reply. We are therefore going with the assumption that it is Parliament to finish its term… so we will base our date on that.” Since MPs in the 10th Parliament were sworn in on January 14, 2008, their term ends on January 14, 2013. Based on his announcement on Thursday, the IEBC will set the election date within 60 days after the dissolution of the National Assembly at the end of its term as stipulated under the Sixth Schedule of the Constitution. The election date the commission is likely to announce will fall anywhere between January and March 2013. “The commission is consulting within and without before setting the election date. This will be made public very soon, we want to announce the date to end the anxiety,” the IEBC chief said. “We will determine the election date based on the constitutional court ruling.” In January, a three-judge bench ruled that an election date would be determined if the two partners decided to dissolve the coalition government which was formed after the disputed presidential poll of 2007 or at the end of the term of 10th Parliament. When President Kibaki spoke about the possible election date at a forum in Sagana last week, he only hinted at a 2013 election, ending speculation of any possibility of him arriving at a decision of dissolving the coalition government any time soon to pave way for an early poll. His coalition partner Prime Minister Raila Odinga has equally spoken lately at various forums about the election date, only urging for calm and patience amongst Kenyans before the actual poll date is announced. On Thursday, the electoral and boundaries body announced it was putting final touches on a raft of mechanisms aimed at ensuring a free and fair election, which includes a total overhaul of the election regulations to replace the one developed by the defunct Electoral Commission of Kenya in 1992. Hassan told the gathering mainly consisting of civil society groups with a keen interest on a fair election in Kenya that his commission would be strict on all the election regulations, including putting up a department to investigate and prosecute electoral offences. “We have the powers to impound public resources used in campaigns, including minister’s official vehicles,” he said. And as part of the commission’s preparedness to the much awaited poll, the IEBC intends to hold a mock election in Malindi and Kajiado North. “This mock election will help us gauge our level of preparedness and the level of preparedness of the Kenyans themselves and any other participants,” he said. He termed as “dangerous” plans by a civil society organisation to conduct mock elections in six counties in Coast Province. “This will be very risky, and I hope you don’t intend to use real politicians as candidates,” Hassan warned. www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2012/03/iebc-to-declare-exact-poll-date-‘soon’/ |
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Post by Omwenga on Mar 15, 2012 22:07:13 GMT 3
Folks, it looks like we are stuck with the election in 2013 unless Raila says otherwise. This is the latest from the IEBC: IEBC to declare exact poll date ‘soon’ March 15th, 2012 by BERNARD MOMANYI Hassan indicated that the elections will be held after term of current Parliament expires on January 14, 2013/FILE NAIROBI, Kenya, Mar 15 – The Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (IEBC) has said it will announce the exact date of the next general elections “soon”, to end widespread anxiety in the country. IEBC Chairman Issack Hassan indicated that the elections will be held after the term of the current Parliament expires on January 14, 2013. He said the commission wrote to President Mwai Kibaki and Prime Minister Raila Odinga asking if they intended to dissolve the coalition government for elections to be held this year, but no reply has been forthcoming. “In the absence of the reply from the two coalition principals, it leaves us with no choice but to come up with an election date,” Hassan told a forum of civil society and other organisations, including media practitioners that gathered at a breakfast meeting with the commission in Nairobi to get a brief of the election preparedness. He added: “We have seen the coalition partners speaking at various forums but this cannot be taken to be a reply to our letter to them,” Hassan said. “We are going with the assumption that they have no reply. We are therefore going with the assumption that it is Parliament to finish its term… so we will base our date on that.” Since MPs in the 10th Parliament were sworn in on January 14, 2008, their term ends on January 14, 2013. Based on his announcement on Thursday, the IEBC will set the election date within 60 days after the dissolution of the National Assembly at the end of its term as stipulated under the Sixth Schedule of the Constitution. The election date the commission is likely to announce will fall anywhere between January and March 2013. “The commission is consulting within and without before setting the election date. This will be made public very soon, we want to announce the date to end the anxiety,” the IEBC chief said. “We will determine the election date based on the constitutional court ruling.” In January, a three-judge bench ruled that an election date would be determined if the two partners decided to dissolve the coalition government which was formed after the disputed presidential poll of 2007 or at the end of the term of 10th Parliament. When President Kibaki spoke about the possible election date at a forum in Sagana last week, he only hinted at a 2013 election, ending speculation of any possibility of him arriving at a decision of dissolving the coalition government any time soon to pave way for an early poll. His coalition partner Prime Minister Raila Odinga has equally spoken lately at various forums about the election date, only urging for calm and patience amongst Kenyans before the actual poll date is announced. On Thursday, the electoral and boundaries body announced it was putting final touches on a raft of mechanisms aimed at ensuring a free and fair election, which includes a total overhaul of the election regulations to replace the one developed by the defunct Electoral Commission of Kenya in 1992. Hassan told the gathering mainly consisting of civil society groups with a keen interest on a fair election in Kenya that his commission would be strict on all the election regulations, including putting up a department to investigate and prosecute electoral offences. “We have the powers to impound public resources used in campaigns, including minister’s official vehicles,” he said. And as part of the commission’s preparedness to the much awaited poll, the IEBC intends to hold a mock election in Malindi and Kajiado North. “This mock election will help us gauge our level of preparedness and the level of preparedness of the Kenyans themselves and any other participants,” he said. He termed as “dangerous” plans by a civil society organisation to conduct mock elections in six counties in Coast Province. “This will be very risky, and I hope you don’t intend to use real politicians as candidates,” Hassan warned. www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2012/03/iebc-to-declare-exact-poll-date-‘soon’/ Raila is on the record saying elections should be held in December this year. Kibaki is also on the record saying the same thing. The only difference is, Kibaki was quickly whipped by someone to take back his own words even as he was calling names a reporter who accurately reported what Kibaki said first before saying to himself "Oh my God; I know this is what I want but not my boys!" And thus the speedy retraction. The point is, the consensus in the country is the elections should be held in December so either Kibaki concedes and does so the soonest or he once again will find himself overtaken by events as it were. The back-up option is the Supreme Court which should authoritatively speak to this once and for all and it need not even wait for the any number of cases making their way through the system to do so as it can certify the matter to itself and put an end to these now political shenanigan visited on the Republic by the usual suspects. |
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Post by adongo23456 on Mar 15, 2012 23:58:15 GMT 3
omwenga & others,
Isaak Hassan and the IEBC has been doing fairly well, but as usual Hassan easily gets carried away and jumps into political land mines without thinking things through. This issue of Hassan making announcements about an announcement he will soon make regarding the election date is a foot in mouth problem for Hassan and the IEBC.
1. For beginners the IEBC has no obligation and no mandate to set an election date. That is all up to the laws of the land. The only mandate and obligation the IEBC has is to announce the election date 60 days to the day one way or the other. Unless some court has ruled that we are having an election May 2012, I don't understand why Mr. Hassan is ropokaring about announcing any date. He has no such powers and if he tries anything like that he and the IEBC will end up in court.
It was terrifying to hear Isaak Hassan saying from his own mouth that the court gave the IEBC the power to "fix" the election date. That is bad fiction. The court ruled that the IEBC is the only body with the authority to ANNOUNCE the GE date in this cycle. "ANNOUNCE" & "FIX" are two very different words, ndugu Hassan.
2. As of right now a court ruling has determined that the GE will be held in March 2013 or sometime in 2012 should the two principals dissolve the GCG. That is the law in the books. Unless a court of appeal has ruled otherwise, Isaak Hassan and the IEBC are bound by that court verdict. Accordingly the IEBC has written to the two principals asking them to agree on a date to dissolve the GCG and specifically asking for a December 2012 GE date.
As far as we know none of the two principals have written to the IEBC one way or the other. Unless Mr. Isaak Hassan wants to consider Kibaki's roadside statements in Nyeri (which are themselves confusing) as the official answer to the IEBC, the IEBC should be demanding an official reply to the IEBC.
If the two principals or one of them completely rejects the idea of dissolving the GCG in 2012, then the IEBC can with the ASSUMPTION that the elections will be held in March 2013. It is ridiculous for the IEBC to make an announcement based on Kibaki's roadside quips. What will they do if Kibaki changes his mind and decides to dissolve the GCG thereby making it mandatory for a GE to be held 60 days from the date of dissolution?
The IEBC has to act based on official communication so that the principals can be held accountable. The IEBC is an independent and a constitutionally protected institution. They do not need to cower under the table and try reading the lips of the principals. Demand that they respond to important communication to them. You are no longer ECK, Mr. Hassan.
3. The elephant in the room for Mr. Isaak Hassan and co is that the verdict is going through the appeal process which the IEBC itself has tried to interfere with by basically applying to have the appeal not heard because those who appealed were none of the parties to the original ruling. It is presumptuous for the IEBC to try to pre-empt the court process because whatever ruling the appeal court makes is binding. How about if the appeal court rules the elections must be held in 2012? What will Isaak Hassan do? Ignore the court ruling?
Also remember there is potential for this thing to go all the way to the Supreme Court. Not to mention there are likely to be suits questioning whether Kibaki can continue as president beyond the 5 year term just to wait for M.Ps to finish their term. Is that provided for in the transition clauses?
This is a landmine and If I was Isaak Hassan and the IEBC, I would tread very carefully.
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Post by b6k on Mar 16, 2012 0:07:39 GMT 3
Omwenga, given that Kibaki flip flopped (aka, I was for it before I was against it) in the very same sentence, we have to assume he isn't for elections in December but in the year "two, zero, one, three" as he definitively stated in his trademark disjointed manner. It's therefore up to Raila to push the will of the people before the ruling class get their way. He was meant to be "the people's president" after all, n'est pas? Unless, ofcourse, he wants to leave the glory to Martha Karua who's on the right side of history on this issue.
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Post by b6k on Mar 16, 2012 0:08:58 GMT 3
Adongo, I concur. Hassan made a strategic blunder & by stating a date in January (14th) as when his 60 day window commences within which elections must be held, he may find himself backtracking on that pretty soon.
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Post by einstein on Mar 16, 2012 0:57:16 GMT 3
Omwenga, given that Kibaki flip flopped (aka, I was for it before I was against it) in the very same sentence, we have to assume he isn't for elections in December but in the year "two, zero, one, three" as he definitively stated in his trademark disjointed manner. It's therefore up to Raila to push the will of the people before the ruling class get their way. He was meant to be "the people's president" after all, n'est pas? Unless, ofcourse, he wants to leave the glory to Martha Karua who's on the right side of history on this issue. Oh wow! It's all of a sudden up to Raila to push the will of the people before the ruling class gets their way! I thought you, B6K, don't even want to see Raila anywhere next to the god-damn thrown!! What gives? Have you decided to abandon your consistency of thought or what should one make of your statement above? Please let Martha Karua take up that responsibility for a change for her own glory! For according to you she is on the right side of history on this issue while everybody else, including this man Raila, is not. Raila must not always carry the burden of our beloved country all alone on his shoulders. There comes a time (remember Prof. Saitoti?) when it is also Martha Karua's or B6K's own turn. The country belongs to all of us and as such all of us must share in carrying the god-damn burden! |
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Post by b6k on Mar 16, 2012 1:36:53 GMT 3
Einstein, actually Saitoti was so miffed with the proceedings at KICC he said "there come a time..."  . Remember Orwell's "Animal Farm". Boxer was the broad shouldered horse who always did all the heavy work. I hope you recall what became of him. I saw yet another unscientific poll today & again it was in low 80 percentile YES for December & in the teens for NO. It's a sure thing if Raila runs with it. He'll tap right into the electorate's 10th parliament & GCG fatigue. |
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Post by tnk on Mar 16, 2012 1:54:11 GMT 3
Einstein, actually Saitoti was so miffed with the proceedings at KICC he said "there come a time..." . i think specifically he said "there come a times" ;D |
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Post by tnk on Mar 16, 2012 1:59:03 GMT 3
Omwenga, given that Kibaki flip flopped (aka, I was for it before I was against it) in the very same sentence, we have to assume he isn't for elections in December but in the year "two, zero, one, three" as he definitively stated in his trademark disjointed manner. It's therefore up to Raila to push the will of the people before the ruling class get their way. He was meant to be "the people's president" after all, n'est pas? Unless, ofcourse, he wants to leave the glory to Martha Karua who's on the right side of history on this issue. Oh wow! It's all of a sudden up to Raila to push the will of the people before the ruling class gets their way! I thought you, B6K, don't even want to see Raila anywhere next to the god-damn thrown!! What gives? Have you decided to abandon your consistency of thought or what should one make of your statement above? Please let Martha Karua take up that responsibility for a change for her own glory! For according to you she is on the right side of history on this issue while everybody else, including this man Raila, is not. Raila must not always carry the burden of our beloved country all alone on his shoulders. There comes a time (remember Prof. Saitoti?) when it is also Martha Karua's or B6K's own turn. The country belongs to all of us and as such all of us must share in carrying the god-damn burden! einstein when people want stuff done, they rush to raila, but when he asks for their support / vote they tell you that ....... just check the PM list of visitors and list of issues. we should issue b6k a number .... |
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Post by b6k on Mar 16, 2012 7:44:06 GMT 3
TNK, I don't think I'm asking for too much from the PM. In fact my proposal may actually gain him votes, as yet again if what we read on Jukwaa is to be believed, he will prove he has his hand right on the pulse of the people of Kenya. Where is it written that the PM cannot, for a change, drive the agenda & not remain a passive observer who then belatedly comes out whining about not being consulted? Unlike Omwenga I have not seen the PM come out & say the polls should be in December. The strange thing is there have already been reports out there that the cabinet had already agreed that December 17, 2012 would be the date. I saw Gumo once on TV confirming just that. Isaak Hassan had earlier said the IEBC would be ok with a December date (top of the thread). Where is this January 14th, 2013 thing coming from if not from Kibaki's confused speech? How did Isaak go from this: "What Mr Hassan has handed to President Kibaki and PM Odinga is a free ticket to make December 17, 2012 – the third Monday in December — the date of the next elections as had been agreed by the Cabinet." www.thecitizen.co.tz/news/49-general-elections-news/19674-kenya-poll-commissioners-prefer-december-elections...to a poll date after January 14, 2012 without so much as a whimper from the Rt. Hon PM? This is a golden opportunity for him to prove his mettle by taking Kibaki head on yet he's being uncharacteristically mute. What gives? |
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Post by mzee on Mar 16, 2012 14:38:59 GMT 3
I think that all parliamentarians including Raila and Kibaki want to stay in office as long as possible. Left to parliament we will have elections in 2013
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Post by Omwenga on Mar 16, 2012 21:15:33 GMT 3
omwenga & others,Isaak Hassan and the IEBC has been doing fairly well, but as usual Hassan easily gets carried away and jumps into political land mines without thinking things through. This issue of Hassan making announcements about an announcement he will soon make regarding the election date is a foot in mouth problem for Hassan and the IEBC. 1. For beginners the IEBC has no obligation and no mandate to set an election date. That is all up to the laws of the land. The only mandate and obligation the IEBC has is to announce the election date 60 days to the day one way or the other. Unless some court has ruled that we are having an election May 2012, I don't understand why Mr. Hassan is ropokaring about announcing any date. He has no such powers and if he tries anything like that he and the IEBC will end up in court. It was terrifying to hear Isaak Hassan saying from his own mouth that the court gave the IEBC the power to "fix" the election date. That is bad fiction. The court ruled that the IEBC is the only body with the authority to ANNOUNCE the GE date in this cycle. "ANNOUNCE" & "FIX" are two very different words, ndugu Hassan. 2. As of right now a court ruling has determined that the GE will be held in March 2013 or sometime in 2012 should the two principals dissolve the GCG. That is the law in the books. Unless a court of appeal has ruled otherwise, Isaak Hassan and the IEBC are bound by that court verdict. Accordingly the IEBC has written to the two principals asking them to agree on a date to dissolve the GCG and specifically asking for a December 2012 GE date. As far as we know none of the two principals have written to the IEBC one way or the other. Unless Mr. Isaak Hassan wants to consider Kibaki's roadside statements in Nyeri (which are themselves confusing) as the official answer to the IEBC, the IEBC should be demanding an official reply to the IEBC. If the two principals or one of them completely rejects the idea of dissolving the GCG in 2012, then the IEBC can with the ASSUMPTION that the elections will be held in March 2013. It is ridiculous for the IEBC to make an announcement based on Kibaki's roadside quips. What will they do if Kibaki changes his mind and decides to dissolve the GCG thereby making it mandatory for a GE to be held 60 days from the date of dissolution? The IEBC has to act based on official communication so that the principals can be held accountable. The IEBC is an independent and a constitutionally protected institution. They do not need to cower under the table and try reading the lips of the principals. Demand that they respond to important communication to them. You are no longer ECK, Mr. Hassan. 3. The elephant in the room for Mr. Isaak Hassan and co is that the verdict is going through the appeal process which the IEBC itself has tried to interfere with by basically applying to have the appeal not heard because those who appealed were none of the parties to the original ruling. It is presumptuous for the IEBC to try to pre-empt the court process because whatever ruling the appeal court makes is binding. How about if the appeal court rules the elections must be held in 2012? What will Isaak Hassan do? Ignore the court ruling? Also remember there is potential for this thing to go all the way to the Supreme Court. Not to mention there are likely to be suits questioning whether Kibaki can continue as president beyond the 5 year term just to wait for M.Ps to finish their term. Is that provided for in the transition clauses? This is a landmine and If I was Isaak Hassan and the IEBC, I would tread very carefully. I am with you as to our friend Hassan's view and posture on this. |
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. Remember Orwell's "Animal Farm". Boxer was the broad shouldered horse who always did all the heavy work. I hope you recall what became of him. 
