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Post by kamalet on Feb 1, 2013 12:14:44 GMT 3
Logically 8 candidates on the debate stands is too many. If an answer starts with Raila, by the time we get to Muite we will have forgotten what Raila said if we are to keep tabs on what each guy/lady says.
Perhaps reducing it to 4 (with Martha and PK tossing a coin) would have been sensible as it is pointless having to listen to anyone who will score votes in the numbers of Kukubo Nixon P!!
Also the moderators need be sensible people with sufficiently knowledge to shut up jokers!
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Feb 2, 2013 8:38:53 GMT 3
The presidential debate is fast approaching (February 11, it will be) with one of our earlier concerns being taken care of after the candidates reduced to eight. Although still a large number for conclusive interrogation of issues and adequate followup by candidates themselves and the moderators, it is nonetheless better than what we had anticipated. I anticipate a lot of focus on the CORD candidate because he comes into this debate and this campaign as the incumbent, and also considered by his own polls as the front runner. He is also easy to rile and throw off his game, this should be an advantage to his opponents. They only need to keep pulling his leg by speaking to his record and push him to the wall whenever necessary, he will definitely come out punching blindly to their advantage. He can also be very incoherent especially once thrown off his talking points. For the others especially Uhuru and Mudavadi, it should be easy; they are two very eloquent speakers and very particular on issues. They will however need to be simple and comprehensible. In such situations it is always important to use real examples especially of initiatives and programs that have ones finger prints on them and how they are working. The objective should always be to remain in touch with the commoner even as one explains very complex policy issues. Martha Karua on the other hand will obviously hold her own. I am not expecting her to do much more than the role of an irritant. Abduba, Peter Kenneth and Kiyiapi will only be filling in whenever necessary. Hehehe. Mwalimumkuu, the "inconherent" speech is considered by some a gentlemanly lisp or murmur ;D ;D ;D You're spot on as far as the reduction of candidates since some like the kati kati Wiper man sold their souls for 30 pieces of silver & we won't have to listen to their drivel. It's a pity your man, Ruto, won't be there but if they have a deputy presidential debate he would definitely dominate given his gift of the gab. Campaigns legally commence next week (even though they've been going full swing for the better part of 2 years now) so Feb 11 seems like a good date for the first debate. Let's hope it won't be the last & that the Abduba's left within can see sense & pull out before they Nazlin Omar themselves to oblivion.... B6K, Yeah, William 'Bill' Ruto is a politician in a class of his own. He is a deep thinker, very quick on his feet and very passionate about what he believes in. Many of us were very disappointed when he dropped out of the race but quickly understood why he had to. Him and Uhuru have formed a formidable combination, one with the longest history of working together, thus a shared vision. Back to the debates (I think we shall have two for the presidential candidates), it would have been better to have one for running mates too so as to gauge the symmetry between the president and their running mates. I would particularly be very interested to hear what Kalonzo would say about his new 'boss'.
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Post by b6k on Feb 2, 2013 21:32:46 GMT 3
Hehehe. Mwalimumkuu, the "inconherent" speech is considered by some a gentlemanly lisp or murmur ;D ;D ;D You're spot on as far as the reduction of candidates since some like the kati kati Wiper man sold their souls for 30 pieces of silver & we won't have to listen to their drivel. It's a pity your man, Ruto, won't be there but if they have a deputy presidential debate he would definitely dominate given his gift of the gab. Campaigns legally commence next week (even though they've been going full swing for the better part of 2 years now) so Feb 11 seems like a good date for the first debate. Let's hope it won't be the last & that the Abduba's left within can see sense & pull out before they Nazlin Omar themselves to oblivion.... B6K, Yeah, William 'Bill' Ruto is a politician in a class of his own. He is a deep thinker, very quick on his feet and very passionate about what he believes in. Many of us were very disappointed when he dropped out of the race but quickly understood why he had to. Him and Uhuru have formed a formidable combination, one with the longest history of working together, thus a shared vision. Back to the debates (I think we shall have two for the presidential candidates), it would have been better to have one for running mates too so as to gauge the symmetry between the president and their running mates. I would particularly be very interested to hear what Kalonzo would say about his new 'boss'. I heard Ruto dropped out when it became clear URP couldn't muster the required 2,000 signatures from a majority of the counties ;D
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Post by b6k on Feb 10, 2013 12:04:07 GMT 3
...& the moderators for the first ever presidential debate in KE are: NTV's Linus Kaikai & Citizen's Julie Gichuru. Only 6 candidates have announced they will attend so far. The 6 are: Raila Odinga, Uhuru Kenyatta, Musalia Mudavadi, Martha Karua, Peter Kenneth and James ole Kiyiapi. There will be a second debate of February 25th. This one will be moderated by KTN's Joe Ageyo & Citizen's Uduak Amimo. Read more on the format of the debates & how the media teams "borrowed" from other countries, especially the US of A to come up with a workable model for KE. The audience will be made up of 200 Kenyans from all walks of life. Strictly no clapping or jeering is allowed. Let the games begin!!!! elections.nation.co.ke/news/All-set-for-Kenya-presidential-debate/-/1631868/1687238/-/86j9nvz/-/index.html
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Post by b6k on Feb 11, 2013 15:41:05 GMT 3
Just getting word that Paul Muite has put a court injunction postponing tonight's debate. RAO may live to fight another day....
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Post by abdulmote on Feb 11, 2013 16:04:33 GMT 3
Have you ever watched a football match? How about a wrestling bout? Usually there would be at least two contenders, each enjoying their own individual fanatical support. In the case of football and if it is a league, there would be many other teams all geared up to secure the trophy. But only one takes it home although each team will have its own fanatical support, whether it reigns at the top of the league, or it is likely to be relegated for the umpteenth time and is at the bottom!
Bottom line is I don't think the outcome of the anticipated debate will matter at all! The Kenyan electorate is like football fanatics; whether their team is in division three, a Man U, Arsenal or Kibera United, the outcome of the game is not going to influence them to change 'their teams', misery of losing ten/nil aside!
Now then, let the players entertain us and be ready to exchange fists if we can!
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Post by nowayhaha on Feb 11, 2013 16:15:07 GMT 3
Have you ever watched a football match? How about a wrestling bout? Usually there would be at least two contenders, each enjoying their own individual fanatical support. In the case of football and if it is a league, there would be many other teams all geared up to secure the trophy. But only one takes it home although each team will have its own fanatical support, whether it reigns at the top of the league, or it is likely to be relegated for the umpteenth time and is at the bottom! Bottom line is I don't think the outcome of the anticipated debate will matter at all! The Kenyan electorate is like football fanatics; whether their team is in division three, a Man U, Arsenal or Kibera United, the outcome of the game is not going to influence them to change 'their teams', misery of losing ten/nil aside! Now then, let the players entertain us and be ready to exchange fists if we can! AbdulMote , This is far from truth , remember we have swing voters who maybe swayed based on the performance of the candidates watch the feedback . I can give you a practical example I watched the Mombasa Gubernatoral Debate and before the debate I was an avid supporter of Shabal based on his performance on what I had seen ,what Ive heard from the people and what I had read papers But based on the Debate performance Im now inclined towards Babangidas candidature and Im not alone , ask Mombasa residents we were disappointed by Shabal .
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Post by b6k on Feb 11, 2013 16:20:21 GMT 3
NTV BREAKING NEWS TICKER: The Presidential debate is on. It will be televised live from 6:30 on all TV & radio stations....
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Post by OtishOtish on Feb 11, 2013 16:57:33 GMT 3
Have you ever watched a football match? How about a wrestling bout? Usually there would be at least two contenders, each enjoying their own individual fanatical support. In the case of football and if it is a league, there would be many other teams all geared up to secure the trophy. But only one takes it home although each team will have its own fanatical support, whether it reigns at the top of the league, or it is likely to be relegated for the umpteenth time and is at the bottom! Bottom line is I don't think the outcome of the anticipated debate will matter at all! The Kenyan electorate is like football fanatics; whether their team is in division three, a Man U, Arsenal or Kibera United, the outcome of the game is not going to influence them to change 'their teams', misery of losing ten/nil aside! Now then, let the players entertain us and be ready to exchange fists if we can! How many people are in this debate? A question will be asked. No 1 answers ... by the time we get to No. 26, everyone has forgotten what Nos 1 and 2 said. Another question is then asked. Same thing. Then time's up! These debates have the potential to be good entertainment, and that's the most we can expect. As for changing minds ... all evidence indicates that the majority of Kenyans don't vote on the basis of "issues".
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Post by abdulmote on Feb 11, 2013 17:53:26 GMT 3
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Post by abdulmote on Feb 11, 2013 18:56:50 GMT 3
Just listening to some of the panelists, it is becoming pretty obvious that this is where our media houses have failed the public; the need to facilitate such debates in more frequency and beginning a little bit earlier than now. It is plain to observe that our politicians have managed to freely present their 'cowboy' manifestos, without adequate public scrutiny on how they are planning to achieve their pledges.
Let us stay tuned.
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Post by abdulmote on Feb 11, 2013 19:30:11 GMT 3
It was interesting toobserve the difference of quality amongst the panelists. Already I am very impressed with Atsango Chesoni. I can see her passion and objectivity in her mind and we should expect solid questioning from her.
It is unfortunate that the time split between the eight candidates is going to be certainly insufficient for their effective contributions. I just hope that there won't be a lot of "aaah", "eeeh", thereby wasting valuable time!
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Post by b6k on Feb 11, 2013 19:51:44 GMT 3
What are the odds that the 2 who were invited after the court injunction almost scuttled today's event ended up with the odd looking podiums on either end of the Jukwaa? Rigging of the ballot at the inaugural debate, ama?
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Post by mugabe on Feb 11, 2013 19:55:29 GMT 3
Uhuru je utasema nini ju ya baba!
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Post by mugabe on Feb 11, 2013 19:57:39 GMT 3
Uhuru has no moral authority to talk about tribalism.
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Post by mugabe on Feb 11, 2013 20:00:23 GMT 3
Uhuru talking of generalities. Tribalism is his Achilles heel. Note he does not address his father's legacy! LOL
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Post by joblesscorner on Feb 11, 2013 20:04:11 GMT 3
Mugabe,
He was asked a question, he answered. Meza wembe..
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Post by Daktari wa makazi on Feb 11, 2013 20:05:36 GMT 3
The debate is live on Al-Jazeera.
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Post by mugabe on Feb 11, 2013 20:06:57 GMT 3
JOBLESS
Bure kabisa meza wembe yako.
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Post by b6k on Feb 11, 2013 20:10:17 GMT 3
The debate is live on Al-Jazeera. Jeepers! You're right, Sadik
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Post by mugabe on Feb 11, 2013 20:13:08 GMT 3
Linus yes weka him on the spot!
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Post by mugabe on Feb 11, 2013 20:14:32 GMT 3
Good work by Linus both holding Raila and Uhuru to account.
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Post by b6k on Feb 11, 2013 20:16:17 GMT 3
Good work by Linus both holding Raila and Uhuru to account. Raila's "NKT" was loud enough to be heard on the mic
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Post by jakaswanga on Feb 11, 2013 20:16:52 GMT 3
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Post by mugabe on Feb 11, 2013 20:18:57 GMT 3
'Raira' and Uhuru are best of friends? yawa!
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