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Post by b6k on Feb 11, 2013 23:15:54 GMT 3
RECAP OF THE MEDIA PRESS CONFERENCE: The media moguls have decided that 8 TV stations & 32 radio stations will broadcast the debates live. Currently they are expecting all 11 candidates to be invited to a venue selected by the media houses. The debates will be held on the following dates: 1) Monday 26 november 2012 2) Monday 14 January 2013 3) Monday 11 February 2013 They will be held in front of a live audience that will not be made up of supporters (  ), will be issues oriented & will not tolerate negative ethnicity. I can't wait to see how that will be accomplished. This promises to be a far sight better than the roadshows & barazas that we currently call political campaigns. ;D Other than getting the debate dates wrong, as debate one of today ended up being the proposed number 3 of last year, I think the media did a commendable job tonight. I should add, I am not a member of the fourth estate ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by joblesscorner on Feb 11, 2013 23:17:01 GMT 3
How do you rate the candidates?
1. MK
2.PK
3.UK
4.RA
6PM
7.MM
8.DIDA
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Post by b6k on Feb 11, 2013 23:19:49 GMT 3
Very well done! This event, in my view, is as important in the country's democratization history as anything we celebrate. , I totally agree. I just hope unlike last time, & to borrow from Jurassic Park, it won't be a case of "oooh, aaah" for now before all hell breaks loose after March 4th & we are left running helter skelter yet again on March 7th.... |
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Post by b6k on Feb 11, 2013 23:20:57 GMT 3
How do you rate the candidates? 1. MK 2.PK 3.UK 4.RA 6PM 7.MM 8.DIDA , you can always start a poll on a new thread  |
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Post by raiswakesho on Feb 11, 2013 23:22:57 GMT 3
I think Dida did an excellent job in bringing some entertainment in the debate which was too long and boring!
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Post by Omwenga on Feb 12, 2013 0:10:28 GMT 3
In omwenga.com/2013/02/11/raila-uhuru-hold-their-own-in-big-debate/, my take on the just concluded debate. The historic debate between and among presidential candidates in Kenya for 2013 elections just ended and a few observations can be made about the debate: First, the two horses in the race, namely, Raila and Uhuru held their own. There was an expectation that Uhuru would crumble under persistent attack from other candidates but this did not come to pass, namely, Uhuru came under no attack at all. Raila, on the other hand, did not make any mistakes some were afraid he might. Instead, he came across as presidential and handled all the questions with command of the issues, which is all that was expected of him to maintain his front-runner status. Second, Second Tier candidates Musalia Mudavadi, Martha Karua and Peter Kenneth equally held their grounds with Peter Kenneth emerging as the more credible and worth watching for a future presidency than the rest of the pack in that group. HMK as I call her, or Martha Karua once again demonstrated she is both blessed and cursed in that she's articulate and can make her case well but comes across as cold and detached from what she's actually saying. That's a problem she simply must find a way to deal with if she's to be promoted from Second Tier to battle in Tier One next time around. Third, Third Tier candidates Prof. Ole Kiyiapi and Paul Muite really did not hold their own but managed to get off the stage with only Paul Muite making a fool of himself in his shameless efforts to cast the ICC issue in new terms--a line of attack only recently ventured into by Uhuru, namely, that both Kibaki and Raila should be charged at the ICC. Never mind that the ICC OCP concluded there was no evidence to charge the two but in Paul Muite's mind, they are guilty and therefore should be charged. It wasn't clear whether Paul Muite is seeking a job as president or one as one of Uhuru's lawyers but he did a poor job for making a case for either. Fourth, the ICC issue is clearly key in the 2013 election and may turn out to be the most single important issue, judging by how it was handled in the debate. Fifth, it was clear even as Uhuru held his own, he still doesn't understand the ICC issue in all of its connotations and implication not only on his candidature but as to the country as a whole in the unlikely event he is elected. Sixth, all candidates, tried to give canned responses to the question of how they would deal with the question of tribalism but only Raila had a convincing answer backed with his record on the issue. The rest just danced around the question and provided what you would expect priests and other clerics to give as an answer to this ugly elephant in the middle of our political room. Finally, but not least, Sixth and last Tier candidate Dida made the case why such candidates should never be allowed in serious debate. I know there are some who would go gaga over his cheap utterances devoid of substance but in the end we want serious issues debated by only the most serious of candidates not individuals like this who clearly only seek 15 minute of fame and you can see how desperately he tried to plant rehearsed lines in the hopes they'll be remembered tomorrow. They won't. One debate down, one more to go and overall the organizers get good grades for pulling this one off without a glitch even though the moderators could do better next time; they didn't do poorly but there are areas I am sure even they would agree could have been done better. Uchambuzi Tanaka, www.omwenga.com |
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Post by Mobimba on Feb 12, 2013 1:02:43 GMT 3
I feel Kenyan again. It was a great job done. Great production. Again, Linus was spectacular and Julie wasn't so so lousy.
Going in I personally expected Uhuru to display youthful confidence and above-the-cut brilliance, the type that differentiates... but was greatly disappointed. His hitherto exuberance was lacking. By casually addressing ICC/Integrity issues as a bother, he did not convince me that the good country should take the leap into who-knows-what with him, an ICC suspect, as president. But he held his ground, shaky as it was, he held it. His core supporters, I think, remain faithful and still view him as viable but clearly, he did not win over any new voters today. If anything, he may have lost the Jubilee leaning undecideds and rabid anti-CORD voters to the safer PK/MaDVD/Martha; you name it.
He did, however, try to recoup his confidence in the second Julie segment but nothing he offered was fundamentally different or could be said to display advanced thinking. Coming from his premise of new ideas and 'digital' solutions, I expected to be wowed by never before seen or heard ideas to solutions in healthcare, corruption, security (drones) etc but yeah, nothing new to report. Kweli, leo ni Glenlivet mpaka che.
Now Raila. Well, he was supposed to implode. He was supposed to cut a figure of an old, clueless and cantankerous out of touch ogre who will eat all our babies if elected. Instead, he came across as an experienced and coherent chap abreast with knowledge, if not solutions, to the problems that bedevil the good country. Compared to Uhuru, Raila was the underdog who would shake in his boots as Uhuru tutored him into the 21st century. That did not happen.
IMO, Raila created an impression that he understands where we are today and how we got here. He now wants to take us somewhere, not sure where, but somewhere else. He unintentionally leaves it up to the voter's imagination to conjure up where that 'somewhere' is. Take this to mean that free education (plus sanitary pads), a million cops etc is simply political rhetoric and everybody knows that. You see, with Uhuru we are sure of tough times ahead, with Raila we just follow and see what happens.
Of the two, Raila wins. In the very least, he walks away with his likeability and possibly acceptability index on the rise.
But the actual winners are the fringe candidates. In this debate, they've booked space for the next elections. Kenyans must be asking a lot of what if questions. Had they been given as much attention, equal media play etc. their fate may have been different. That said, PK's light somewhat dimmed, Martha was at times emotional (frog in the throat), Kiyiapi was talking to headmasters, and Dida, well Dida was auditioning for BET Comic View.
In all, they've gallantly taken pursuit of issue based politics in Kenya. A frightful proposition for tribal lords.
Now Kenyans can take the good country where they want.
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Post by nowayhaha on Feb 12, 2013 2:08:33 GMT 3
Guys,
This was the best thing to happen during the campaigns , without much ado and feelings away ,we have seen our president come Mar 04 elections . God Bless
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Post by nowayhaha on Feb 12, 2013 3:23:33 GMT 3
seen somewhere else
Here is my verdict:
Dida – Most innovative
Ole Kiyapi & Peter Kenneth – Most energetic
Uhuru – Most presidential
Raila – Most evasive
Martha – Most credible
Muite- Most Dramatic
Mudavadi- Most average
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Post by joblesscorner on Feb 12, 2013 4:07:34 GMT 3
Nowayhaha,Are you Double sure you read it somewhere, bcoz Kathuree and Mugabe will think you are the one who wrote it. ;D ;D seen somewhere else Here is my verdict: Dida – Most innovative Ole Kiyapi & Peter Kenneth – Most energetic Uhuru – Most presidential Raila – Most evasive Martha – Most credible Muite- Most Dramatic Mudavadi- Most average
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Post by OtishOtish on Feb 12, 2013 4:29:55 GMT 3
I did not get a chance to watch the debate, but, having discussed it with a variety of people, I consider the following to be a very reliable way to evaluate and rank the candidates.
1. In the first spot, put the candidate you have been supporting.
2. After that, list the other candidates in some random order, with one exception: if there is a candidate you particularly detest, put him at the bottom.
3. For each candidate, invent some semi-reasonable explanation for his/her position in the rank.
Then state, yet again, that your candidate will definitely win and that this debate confirms his/her inherent superiority.
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Post by nowayhaha on Feb 12, 2013 6:05:44 GMT 3
Nowayhaha,Are you Double sure you read it somewhere, bcoz Kathuree and Mugabe will think you are the one who wrote it. ;D ;D seen somewhere else Here is my verdict: Dida – Most innovative Ole Kiyapi & Peter Kenneth – Most energetic Uhuru – Most presidential Raila – Most evasive Martha – Most credible Muite- Most Dramatic Mudavadi- Most average Jobless, Cocksure, I would have proceeded and provided a link , lest Im accused of promoting or advertising another site )) Some comments are even hilarious but most if not all reflect what I had earlier posted. |
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Post by nowayhaha on Feb 12, 2013 6:16:01 GMT 3
I did not get a chance to watch the debate, but, having discussed it with a variety of people, I consider the following to be a very reliable way to evaluate and rank the candidates. 1. In the first spot, put the candidate you have been supporting. 2. After that, list the other candidates in some random order, with one exception: if there is a candidate you particularly detest, put him at the bottom. 3. For each candidate, invent some semi-reasonable explanation for his/her position in the rank. Then state, yet again, that your candidate will definitely win and that this debate confirms his/her inherent superiority. Otis, I believe in afew hours the presidential debate will be all over youtube thus you will be able to watch it fully, however find a link and glimpse www.youtube.com/user/capitalfmkenya then you can make your own judgement. Would like to hear your assessment on your preferred candidate also patiently waiting for the digital essay on PK. |
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Post by joblesscorner on Feb 12, 2013 7:08:26 GMT 3
Nowayhaha,
Read somewhere too
I think all this people have good ideas and I propose the following: to preserve National unity and promote cohesion they call off the elections and appoint OAR the Prezzy, VP Martha, Minister/Cabinet Secretary for Foreign Affairs Uhuru, Cabinet Secretary in charge of Reconciliation: MaDvd, Cabinet Secretary in charge of Marginalized Communities Kiyapi, Cabinet Secretary in charge of Sports Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces and Cabinet Secretary for Defence: Muite and Head of the Civil Service and Education Secretary Adidas
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Post by cheshirecat on Feb 12, 2013 8:31:41 GMT 3
I did not get a chance to watch the debate, but, having discussed it with a variety of people, I consider the following to be a very reliable way to evaluate and rank the candidates. 1. In the first spot, put the candidate you have been supporting. 2. After that, list the other candidates in some random order, with one exception: if there is a candidate you particularly detest, put him at the bottom. 3. For each candidate, invent some semi-reasonable explanation for his/her position in the rank. Then state, yet again, that your candidate will definitely win and that this debate confirms his/her inherent superiority. This is spot on. Actually made me laugh after reading the comments on this thread from the first page. In a country where people choose leaders on the basis of whether they speak the same language or eat the same food (to paraphrase Atsango Chesoni), the debate is meaningless. Even if a candidate walked up on the podium and did a strip tease, his rabid supporters would still find an excuse for it. We make torturous journeys of self justification and excuses which change from election to election. However, the end never changes. When the hour comes, it finds us standing, voters card in hand, outside the doorstep of our tribesman. Candidates talking about issues changes nothing. Issues were never the basis of our support for them anyway. |
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Post by nowayhaha on Feb 12, 2013 10:34:09 GMT 3
Jobless ,
Another one
next time, let them allow John sibi okumu to moderate....This Julie girl....too much interjections.
DIDA: Needs to refine his act. Raising more questions than answers. while this strategy may work for staff room politics, it does not belong to the National platform.
PK: His eloquence covers up for his inexperience...biuld 47 KNH type hospitals? show us the money.
MK: should have teamed up with MDVDI as running mate...good grasp of national issues, but lacks the calm reassuring looks
OLE K: should try reading the book 'NOT YET UHURU' perhaps the late professor of mathematics should have taught him a trick or two about connecting with the masses.
PM. straight shooter....migingo, hague, et al...alas...the political arena does not play like a court room.
UK: has now come of age..the eloquence to counter regional and international agendas...the bravery to acknowledge that his chips are down...the type of guy we need in a tough neighborhood.
MDVD: Good show for starters. we may consider him for vision 2018 if he plays his national cards well.
RAO: comes across as one whom fate has conspired against: but a man harvests what he sows. right?
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Post by kamalet on Feb 12, 2013 11:43:20 GMT 3
In my opinion Raila had two defining moments in the debate where actually said the right thing at the right time.
The first one was on the ICC issue. His firm statement that Kenya was a sovereign state whilst playing to the gallery was very opportune as he made the point that he is not the west's poodle something people claim he is. The second moment (and these are several on the same thing!), he did very well when he agreed with others e.g. Migingo and the old rivarly between his dad and Jomo.
His problems and they were many was when he was caught out not telling the truth or in the alternative when he could not explain himself well.....he ended up being on the defensive! You can compare that with the way Uhuru handled the onslaught on ICC and his ability to rule. The consistency however not very convincing helped him as well as the fact that the debate moved on so fast away from the key issue of how he would rule that he was lucky he never gave us the details - and that is the problem of a debate of too many people. 3 people would have been ideal to corner Uhuru on this! The Skype comment by Raila though sounding funny should have been left to Chris Rock of the day Dida. It was not exactly statesman like and is stuff said in rallies as opposed to a venue like last night.
Julie was a disaster and there was a lot more fun on twitter with such interesting comments from Kenyans:
"The Dida guy should have the option of 'phone a friend'..."
"collectively, Raila, Uhuru, Ruto and Mudavadi have been in more parties than Paris Hilton"
"A Kenyan in river-road is now recording the Debate and will be selling it to you tomorrow for Kshs. 150"
"If presidential candidates can stand for this long, why did we invest so much on parliament chairs for MPs?"
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Post by deyiengs on Feb 12, 2013 13:21:17 GMT 3
It was a good platform for the 8 guys.
Truth be said, I felt so happy and proud to be a Kenyan... though the realization of how deep-rooted tribalism is in Kenya brought me back to reality. That was when i decided to jump into the social media soon after the debate. The hatred was pathetic; though to be fair, far fewer than they were before. Maybe we need 1,000,000 debates to completely get rid tribalism.
Anyway... for the candidates: Marther PK, Muite, Dida, Mudavadi and Ole-Kiyapi, I thank them for being brave but it's unfortunate that with the stellar performance that they placed across, their voices will be drowned by the so called "two horses"
When Uhuru kept his cool and never banged on the table, i was impressed... seriously I was.
When Raila said governing using Skype is impossible, I laughed so hard
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Post by abdulmote on Feb 12, 2013 17:31:06 GMT 3
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Post by OtishOtish on Feb 12, 2013 17:41:07 GMT 3
It's better to be open than to have one in State House while another is hidden on the countryside. Besides, three for the price of one is an offer Kenyans should definitely consider. |
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Feb 12, 2013 20:20:33 GMT 3
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Post by joblesscorner on Feb 12, 2013 21:19:50 GMT 3
The Ending on the article has a very bold statement " the debate was of little value as Kenyan had an insignificant middle-class that would have been influenced by the performance of some of the candidates" I agree the debate wont make that much of a difference because most of them wont show up on voting day, who wants to line up for a hour to vote? |
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Post by euonyi on Feb 13, 2013 14:10:24 GMT 3
Question the Citizen TV’s JULIE GICHURU should have asked………… UHURU, RAILA et al responses
Below is a question that the artists think should have been asked by Citizen TV’s Sunday live show host Julie Gichuru and how the aspiring Presidential candidates could have answered:
Julie : Why did THE CHICKEN cross the road??
DIDA: Its about time we started teaching Chicken the values of NOT crossing roads. Its better to stay on one side of the road than the other. Suppose it was knocked down by a speeding car! What would it have said? Thats the kind of Chicken that would vote for Waititu.
KIYAPI: It depends with WHERE the chicken was going. Crossing the road is NOT the end of the story. I resigned from the Education Ministry to fight for the rights of Everyone! Chickens included! If a chicken wants to cross the road,let it cross the road! Thats what my party RBK stands for!
UHURU: The JUBILEE government will ensure a 24-hour Economy where a chicken will NOT have to cross ANY road in search for jobs. I will create jobs right where the chicken is standing...And the ONLY time a chicken leaves the work station,is maybe when its going to answer charges at the ICC.
KENNETH: I was born in Bahati. We used to call it,"Bahaa....." ,I went to Starehe,where we used to eat chicken every weekend. And am sorry,I think we ate that chicken too.Anyway,dont worry, My Government will create another chicken within the first 100 days...
MUDAVADI: Did YOU mention a CHICKEN?? Julie Gichuru,did You JUST mention a chicken?? Wait,Is that chicken here??! Am sorry but I think we are NOT supposed to be discussing a chicken. We should be EATING it!
KARUA: I believe in Integrity. I pushed so hard for that chicken to stay ON one side of the road. But the two principals failed to convince their troops to stop the chicken from crossing. The constitution is clear on the role of chickens. And My government will NOT only bring back the chicken,I wil also close down that road!
RAILA: Chickens are just chickens. That is the kind of chicken that owns huge tracts of land on the other side of the road! As a chicken,I believe You should stay in one place! Not crossing roads every now and then! You cant lay eggs through Skype.
MUITE: The Safina Government will get down to the bottom of the matter! You cannot convince Me,or any rational Kenyan,that that chicken was acting alone! NO! That chicken must have been sent by other chickens! You cannot tell me that other chickens were NOT aware that that chicken was crossing the road! Ofcourse they were! And am NOT holding brief for that chicken,but My Government will investigate the matter and include more chickens in this whole 'Road-Crossing' Scandal!
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Feb 19, 2013 19:42:31 GMT 3
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Post by phil on Feb 19, 2013 21:04:19 GMT 3
This debate is a flop. The top three candidates are missing. |
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), will be issues oriented & will not tolerate negative ethnicity. I can't wait to see how that will be accomplished. This promises to be a far sight better than the roadshows & barazas that we currently call political campaigns. ;D
