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Post by roughrider on Mar 7, 2013 12:02:15 GMT 3
I just want to ask fellow Jukwaaists: what if there is evidence of blatant rigging and stealing, will they accept that this is a serious issue that Kenyans need to know and that the process needs to be stopped and the irregularities addressed?
Will they accept?
Why this sheepish and knee-jerked reaction to everything in a partisan manner?
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Post by Horth on Mar 7, 2013 12:02:21 GMT 3
rr
Kalonzo is (supposedly) a lawyer. He says he has ironclad proof that the results are being doctored. Yet CORD holds a press briefing instead of flying to court and getting an injunction.
They're simply politicking and in a very bad way!
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Post by roughrider on Mar 7, 2013 12:05:41 GMT 3
All those who have attacked me for doing my patriotic duty as a Kenyan of speaking out when an illegality is in progress, I will need a full and unqualified apology when all this is over. There is evidence of tampering and doctoring with results. These will be addressed in the courts as required by law. Now the judiciary is reformed. I hope nobody is going to say that CORD cannot do that. If Raila is NOT winning fairly, his supporters will accept and move on. All that we want in Kenya is fairness. What a cry baby, you insulted everyone who dared challenge you on your wild allegations only to turn around and claim that you have been insulted. Go away my friend, follow Kalonzo Musyoka to the supreme court and leave us alone. You are being silly, what wild allegations? I spoke even before Hon Kalonzo and others and now they have come out. Does that not lend credence to what I said? Are you not intelligent enough to suspend judgement until you see full details? In any case, hold your horses and wait to see the evidence. You are a pathetic idiot. |
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Post by roughrider on Mar 7, 2013 12:08:40 GMT 3
rrKalonzo is (supposedly) a lawyer. He says he has ironclad proof that the results are being doctored. Yet CORD holds a press briefing instead of flying to court and getting an injunction. They're simply politicking and in a very bad way! The matter is going to court. You speak in ignorance. But the public also have a right to information. To know what is happening. Remember CORD have a responsibility to the millions who support them. You are the one who is politicking by wearing your tinted partisan spectacles to look at this issue. And derogatory remarks aimed at Kalonzo make you look painfully silly when you seemingly haven't the faintest idea what you are talking about. Iko swali ingine? |
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Post by Horth on Mar 7, 2013 12:09:13 GMT 3
I just want to ask fellow Jukwaaists: what if there is evidence of blatant rigging and stealing, will they accept that this is a serious issue that Kenyans need to know and that the process needs to be stopped and the irregularities addressed? Will they accept? Why this sheepish and knee-jerked reaction to everything in a partisan manner? If there is evidence, as you claim, shouldn't the supreme court decide on this? Why is CORD going to a public forum and dishing out allegations without giving us a single shred of proof? RAO promised to use the courts, which are trusted by the majority of Kenyans according to recent polls. He's breaking his promise on live TV and you support this? |
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Post by Horth on Mar 7, 2013 12:12:58 GMT 3
The matter is going to court. You speak in ignorance. But the public also have a right to information. To know what is happening. Remember CORD have a responsibility to the millions who support them. You are the one who is politicking by wearing your tinted partisan spectacles to look at this issue. And derogatory remarks aimed at Kalonzo make you look painfully silly when you seemingly haven't the faintest idea what you are talking about. Iko swali ingine? No, the matter was first taken to the streets by CORD after which they're now promising to go to court, hoping to sway the masses to support them (look in the mirror and note that you have swallowed the rigging allegations 101% without a supreme court decision purely based on allegations by CORD). |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 7, 2013 12:13:09 GMT 3
What a cry baby, you insulted everyone who dared challenge you on your wild allegations only to turn around and claim that you have been insulted. Go away my friend, follow Kalonzo Musyoka to the supreme court and leave us alone. You are being silly, what wild allegations? I spoke even before Hon Kalonzo and others and now they have come out. Does that not lend credence to what I said? Are you not intelligent enough to suspend judgement until you see full details? In any case, hold your horses and wait to see the evidence. You are a pathetic idiot. I do not go by street rumors my friend, scan your evidence in here and let the membership make their own judgment. Otherwise you cannot makeup stuff and expect everyone to buy it as nothing but the truth. |
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Post by roughrider on Mar 7, 2013 12:15:12 GMT 3
I just want to ask fellow Jukwaaists: what if there is evidence of blatant rigging and stealing, will they accept that this is a serious issue that Kenyans need to know and that the process needs to be stopped and the irregularities addressed? Will they accept? Why this sheepish and knee-jerked reaction to everything in a partisan manner? If there is evidence, as you claim, shouldn't the supreme court decide on this? Why is CORD going to a public forum and dishing out allegations without giving us a single shred of proof? RAO promised to use the courts, which are trusted by the majority of Kenyans according to recent polls. He's breaking his promise on live TV and you support this? The matter is going to the supreme court and the public deserves to know. CORD called a conference to say they were complaining using legal channels. Or you preferred them to do it secretly. Stop repeating yourself like a broken record. The public has been given the information which is relevant for now, and in the interest of public responsibility not all can be said. I am soon going, if you have a different line of thought, share it. I will not respond to this one again. |
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Post by b6k on Mar 7, 2013 12:18:18 GMT 3
Folks, go easy on RR. The fact is anyone who has access to data that the parties have collated from the various counties will know that this election has already been won (or lost depending on which side you support). IEBC is taking its sweet time to unleash the inevitable lest people end up in hospital wards from the shock. Let RR vent. Better online than on the streets ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Horth on Mar 7, 2013 12:19:14 GMT 3
The matter is going to the supreme court and the public deserves to know. CORD called a conference to say they were complaining using legal channels. Or you preferred them to do it secretly. Stop repeating yourself like a broken record. The public has been given the information which is relevant for now, and in the interest of public responsibility not all can be said. I am soon going, if you have a different line of thought, share it. I will not respond to this one again. Of course you wouldn't. Let me guess, IEBC also has a responsibility to many more millions than CORD, right? So they should do like CORD and hold press briefings slinging unproven allegations at CORD before going to court? You really want us to follow that path? Logic and reason are unfortunately not the forte in CORD. |
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Post by roughrider on Mar 7, 2013 12:19:34 GMT 3
You are being silly, what wild allegations? I spoke even before Hon Kalonzo and others and now they have come out. Does that not lend credence to what I said? Are you not intelligent enough to suspend judgement until you see full details? In any case, hold your horses and wait to see the evidence. You are a pathetic idiot. I do not go by street rumors my friend, scan your evidence in here and let the membership make their own judgment. Otherwise you cannot makeup stuff and expect everyone to buy it as nothing but the truth. You are mistaken if you think you are my audience. I do not care one bit about convincing anybody and their mother. Soon wheat will be separated from chaff. |
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Post by dubois on Mar 7, 2013 12:24:09 GMT 3
I believe both coalitions have a fairly good idea what the final numbers will be. I suspect that these CORD fellows know they are losing and as is expected, Raila will not concede. The blundering by IEBC has given CORD a perfect excuse to protest but in my view, these are the last kicks of a dying horse.
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Post by b6k on Mar 7, 2013 12:25:08 GMT 3
If there is evidence, as you claim, shouldn't the supreme court decide on this? Why is CORD going to a public forum and dishing out allegations without giving us a single shred of proof? RAO promised to use the courts, which are trusted by the majority of Kenyans according to recent polls. He's breaking his promise on live TV and you support this? The matter is going to the supreme court and the public deserves to know. CORD called a conference to say they were complaining using legal channels. Or you preferred them to do it secretly. Stop repeating yourself like a broken record. The public has been given the information which is relevant for now, and in the interest of public responsibility not all can be said. I am soon going, if you have a different line of thought, share it. I will not respond to this one again. As the old adage goes, don't talk about it; be about it. CORD are wasting time with press conferences & high drama instead of doing the needful & going to court. We do not need a repeat of 2007 with emotions being fanned. It appears so far that judging by the general trend of either the provisional votes or the actual ones, that Raila has been rejected resoundingly this time around. He should go peacefully like Ntimama of Vasco da Gama fame.... |
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Post by roughrider on Mar 7, 2013 12:25:50 GMT 3
The matter is going to the supreme court and the public deserves to know. CORD called a conference to say they were complaining using legal channels. Or you preferred them to do it secretly. Stop repeating yourself like a broken record. The public has been given the information which is relevant for now, and in the interest of public responsibility not all can be said. I am soon going, if you have a different line of thought, share it. I will not respond to this one again. Of course you wouldn't. Let me guess, IEBC also has a responsibility to many more millions than CORD, right? So they should do like CORD and hold press briefings slinging unproven allegations at CORD before going to court? You really want us to follow that path? Logic and reason are unfortunately not the forte in CORD. Humble yourself buddy, we know you are the eternal reservoir of logic and reason. More than a thousand CORDS. IEBC have been holding press briefings to explain things. They have refused to explain glaring irregularities raised by CORD. For example Kenyans are asking what happened to the 300k plus rejected votes? Also why are so many constituencies reporting ballots more than the registered voters? All Kenyans need to know is that there are problems but they are being addressed using the right channels. I am sure you prefer that we remain 'peaceful' and let IEBC do its work. You are among the sheepish Kenyans who are responsible for the utter backwardness our country has gone through for decades. |
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Post by Horth on Mar 7, 2013 12:30:20 GMT 3
rr,
Just tell CORD to go to court instead of holding press briefings.
That's all.
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Post by roughrider on Mar 7, 2013 12:30:30 GMT 3
Folks, go easy on RR. The fact is anyone who has access to data that the parties have collated from the various counties will know that this election has already been won (or lost depending on which side you support). IEBC is taking its sweet time to unleash the inevitable lest people end up in hospital wards from the shock. Let RR vent. Better online than on the streets ;D ;D ;D ;D Relax buddy, I know where you stand. I am quite fine and enjoying myself. And I am not venting, I am only educating seemingly incurable fools. |
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Post by roughrider on Mar 7, 2013 12:32:37 GMT 3
rr,Just tell CORD to go to court instead of holding press briefings. That's all. They know their stuff better than you and I. Anything else? I have other matters to attend to. |
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Post by roughrider on Mar 7, 2013 12:35:22 GMT 3
I believe both coalitions have a fairly good idea what the final numbers will be. I suspect that these CORD fellows know they are losing and as is expected, Raila will not concede. The blundering by IEBC has given CORD a perfect excuse to protest but in my view, these are the last kicks of a dying horse. I believe.... I suspect.... as is expected.... Gives us a break with your empty guesswork and blind suppositions. Come back when you plan to use your brain. |
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Post by roughrider on Mar 7, 2013 12:37:27 GMT 3
Folks, I am out of here. Later. Enjoy the discussions. For real, I am now truly out of here. Some work calls. |
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Mar 7, 2013 12:41:15 GMT 3
Jukwaa Folks:
Let us remain CALM.
Is that too much to ask?
Onyango Oloo
Jukwaa Administrator
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Post by b6k on Mar 7, 2013 12:42:32 GMT 3
Folks, go easy on RR. The fact is anyone who has access to data that the parties have collated from the various counties will know that this election has already been won (or lost depending on which side you support). IEBC is taking its sweet time to unleash the inevitable lest people end up in hospital wards from the shock. Let RR vent. Better online than on the streets ;D ;D ;D ;D Relax buddy, I know where you stand. I am quite fine and enjoying myself. And I am not venting, I am only educating seemingly incurable fools. , you left this thread but you are still here. Trust me....you are venting. Like I said earlier, better here than unleashing ODM goons on the streets like 2007. Tuko pamoja! |
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Post by podp on Mar 7, 2013 12:50:44 GMT 3
Jukwaa Folks:
Let us remain CALM. Is that too much to ask?
Onyango Oloo
Jukwaa Administrator Dear Mr. Politician, Don't be a reckless mouthpiece! You all signed to follow and to entrust the IEBC to conduct the elections. Numbers don't lie and the IEBC cannot be doing the right thing only when the numbers are in your favor. An honest competitor is the one who is prepared to win or lose in a contest. We love Kenya and don't want loose cannons that could cause panic and chaos in the nation. Surely media should not accept to be used as a vehicle to spread propaganda that has no credible claims. If at all you have a dispute, kindly use the right channels to solve the disputes. I believe the Chief Justice assured us that the Judiciary is more than ready and able to handle any disputes that arise. Use the right channels and let the tallying continue. Kind regards, Dr. C. J Kirubi |
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Post by dubois on Mar 7, 2013 12:51:56 GMT 3
I believe both coalitions have a fairly good idea what the final numbers will be. I suspect that these CORD fellows know they are losing and as is expected, Raila will not concede. The blundering by IEBC has given CORD a perfect excuse to protest but in my view, these are the last kicks of a dying horse. I believe.... I suspect.... as is expected.... Gives us a break with your empty guesswork and blind suppositions. Come back when you plan to use your brain. Jamaa wa vitendawili has never conceded in his life. You don't need to be a genius to figure that one out  |
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Post by gemagema on Mar 7, 2013 12:58:53 GMT 3
Amazing how the Jubilants here are attacking RR....yet they have zero clue of even how the CORD evidence in Court will look like
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Post by gemagema on Mar 7, 2013 13:02:57 GMT 3
And don't be surprised when CORD goes to court....many of you will complain about that too. In fact some will say that the public should not be allowed in the Courts...Oh it will inflame Kenyans...Always complaining!!!! Oh that! Oh This! Oh RAO! You forget that we the public are the ones who voted! We are the electorate
But if I may ask...how many cases is your fella gonna handle....Monday, he should be attending ICC matters...soon it will be presidential elections
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