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Post by joblesscorner on Mar 7, 2013 18:17:44 GMT 3
Kamalet,I was playing an Omwenga here, with his claims of realiable sources. Jukwaa has been silent since monday, where are the Omwenga's? 300,000 Rejected Votes,According to my unreliable sources, it was due to hacking attempt to force a second round, but with manual tallying, the numbers have gone down tremendously. The IEBC chairman says the problem was with what we call "a stored procedure" in SQL that apparently was multiplying the rejected votes by 8 whenever the number was entered 
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Post by kamalet on Mar 7, 2013 18:22:28 GMT 3
Kamalet, I have my reasons which are derived from the bigger picture and nothing else. Firstly the legally provided framework of announcing the results (electronically) had failed. That failure aside, that process was also intended to have the results announced at the tallying centers for obvious reasons; to avoid unnecessary aspersions of doubts that may come about, were the said announcements to be made days later at Nairobi and following enduring transport of the same without the relevant parties' accredited agents. You must bear in mind that the absence of the said agents is crucial for the sake of transparency, since their signatures cannot be verified for authenticity at the Bomas. Secondly, the parties agents in Nairobi get thrown out of the Bomas. That gap when the votes collated were without their 'guards' at the Center is another reasons which can fuel the negative speculations. Thirdly, there is the issue of the "rejected votes". Even some of the independent observers confirmed obvious inconsistencies on the criteria of categorizing such votes. Fourthly, the delay. Today is Thursday the 7th. Whilst the law provided for the time delay in announcing the results, it is very clear that Hassan was not in control, was being evasive or unsure of what was going on. Hassan simply lacked the minimum threshold of confidence to maintain credibility on the part of the Commission, in his periodic explanations on the same. Lastly, this election is not just about who wins or loses, but transparency and perceived integrity is essential for all the parties concerned on the whole process to its full completion. Taking all these factors into consideration, I cannot help but conclude to what I have stated above. Abdulmote It would actually appear as if you did listen in on the IEBC chairman's speech which should have answered your concerns above. I think the transmission of documents from polling station all the way to Bomas is well covered by law and none of the parties have complained about the process. It is of course not true that agents of one party were thrown out, and as the chairman has clarified they were all relocated to a separate room where they are getting copies of the tallying sheets and the returns. The issue of rejected votes has been commented upon by you above. As far as I am concerned, IEBC owe Kenyans a better explanation on the rejected votes and how the error occurred. However that they had not been allocated to any particular candidate I am willing to let the matter lie. The delay in knowing the result is as a result of technology failure and what the IEBC is doing is what it had 7 days to do and the fact that they have expedited the process to have the official results before the end of 7 days is commendable! On your last point, the process cannot be deemed to lack transparency simple because one party is complaining. What I can assure you is that after the last lot of results where the gap narroed from 700k votes to just over 500k votes, if the Cord team was to overtake the Kenyatta team, the credibility of the results would have been restored. I do not agree that winning is what makes it credible. It is in believing that the people running the show have good intentions to give an honest acount of the elections. |
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Post by bob on Mar 7, 2013 18:27:49 GMT 3
Kamalet,I was playing an Omwenga here, with his claims of realiable sources. Jukwaa has been silent since monday, where are the Omwenga's? The IEBC chairman says the problem was with what we call "a stored procedure" in SQL that apparently was multiplying the rejected votes by 8 whenever the number was entered This is Kenya,wonders never seize . Kwani was this a billing process where we needed a multiplier(8) in the server. Total rubbish. Hassan should admit he has failed Kenyans & performance is well below par. |
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Post by abdulmote on Mar 7, 2013 19:06:38 GMT 3
Kamalet, I have my reasons which are derived from the bigger picture and nothing else. Firstly the legally provided framework of announcing the results (electronically) had failed. That failure aside, that process was also intended to have the results announced at the tallying centers for obvious reasons; to avoid unnecessary aspersions of doubts that may come about, were the said announcements to be made days later at Nairobi and following enduring transport of the same without the relevant parties' accredited agents. You must bear in mind that the absence of the said agents is crucial for the sake of transparency, since their signatures cannot be verified for authenticity at the Bomas. Secondly, the parties agents in Nairobi get thrown out of the Bomas. That gap when the votes collated were without their 'guards' at the Center is another reasons which can fuel the negative speculations. Thirdly, there is the issue of the "rejected votes". Even some of the independent observers confirmed obvious inconsistencies on the criteria of categorizing such votes. Fourthly, the delay. Today is Thursday the 7th. Whilst the law provided for the time delay in announcing the results, it is very clear that Hassan was not in control, was being evasive or unsure of what was going on. Hassan simply lacked the minimum threshold of confidence to maintain credibility on the part of the Commission, in his periodic explanations on the same. Lastly, this election is not just about who wins or loses, but transparency and perceived integrity is essential for all the parties concerned on the whole process to its full completion. Taking all these factors into consideration, I cannot help but conclude to what I have stated above. Abdulmote It would actually appear as if you did listen in on the IEBC chairman's speech which should have answered your concerns above. I think the transmission of documents from polling station all the way to Bomas is well covered by law and none of the parties have complained about the process. It is of course not true that agents of one party were thrown out, and as the chairman has clarified they were all relocated to a separate room where they are getting copies of the tallying sheets and the returns. The issue of rejected votes has been commented upon by you above. As far as I am concerned, IEBC owe Kenyans a better explanation on the rejected votes and how the error occurred. However that they had not been allocated to any particular candidate I am willing to let the matter lie. The delay in knowing the result is as a result of technology failure and what the IEBC is doing is what it had 7 days to do and the fact that they have expedited the process to have the official results before the end of 7 days is commendable! On your last point, the process cannot be deemed to lack transparency simple because one party is complaining. What I can assure you is that after the last lot of results where the gap narroed from 700k votes to just over 500k votes, if the Cord team was to overtake the Kenyatta team, the credibility of the results would have been restored. I do not agree that winning is what makes it credible. It is in believing that the people running the show have good intentions to give an honest acount of the elections. Kamalet, I hear you. It may appear that things are beginning to cool down a bit as we go along and I think it all comes down to robust, comprehensive and relevant briefings that Hassan has to give to the public. Elections issues can be very emotive, especially in Kenya and I think the only way one can deal with such is by addressing the same with precision and in a timely manner. Hopefully all Kenyans should be winners by tomorrow (Friday) afternoon, when we should have known who our Excellency the President is and a good Opposition to boot! Thats what we should all desire. If I may digress and touch on the question of peace, I do not think there is even a remote possibility of Kenyans going the PEV of 2007. I can only attribute to what happened at that time to the manner the whole thing was handled and the hurried night time swearing of the President by the incumbent. This time round I do not see that happening at all. As I write this, I am looking forward towards celebrating the successful and reasonably peaceful elections we would have had and hopefully a smooth transition to crown it all by next week. I should celebrate about the presidency when actually the president of my preference wins, if I am still alive by then and if it ever happens according to my wishes and desires. Let us now wait for the count to proceed to its rightful conclusion. |
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Post by mank on Mar 7, 2013 20:50:18 GMT 3
I have not heard any observer who questions the credibility of results being released to Kenyans. Yet we have these wild declarations like the one that is the heading of this thread! What a shame!
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 7, 2013 22:09:24 GMT 3
B6k You were right IEBC blames database bug for rejected votes error The chairman of Kenya’s electoral commission Issack Hassan has attributed the big reduction of rejected votes in the on-going manual tallying process to a bug in the commission’s database. Addressing a news conference at the Bomas of Kenya in Nairobi on Thursday evening, Mr Hassan said a bug in their database kept on multiplying the rejected votes by a factor of eight. The database was developed in-house by the Independent Boundaries and Electoral Commission. Mr Hassan said the programming error was as a result of a conflict between the IEBC server and the database. “There was an error in the way the programme was written… For any rejected vote for any candidate, they were being multiplied by eight,” said the IEBC chairman. As at 6.30pm last night, the IEBC had counted 6,031,500 votes, and the tally of rejected votes was at 58,409. When the results were being transmitted electronically from the polling stations, the database had recorded 338,592 rejected votes out of a total of 5,653,852 votes cast. The high number of rejected votes –which kept rising as the counting continued—made political parties jittery about their possible impact on the final tally of votes. For a candidate to be declared a president, they must have more than half of all the votes cast in an election and at least 25 per cent in more than half of the 47 counties in the country. By 6:30 pm Thusrday, the IEBC had officially announced results from 132 constituencies. Jubilee’s Uhuru Kenyatta was in the lead with 3,134,654 votes, Mr Raila Odinga of the Coalition for Reform and Democracy had 2,563,286, Musalia Mudavadi had 174,348, Peter Kenneth 34,409, Martha Karua 19,945, James ole Kiyiapi 19,365, Mohammed Dida 16,536 and Paul Muite 6,705. The high number of the rejected votes had made the IEBC promise to do an audit on the cause of the spectacle. Some of the observers at the Bomas of Kenya had attributed the high number of rejected votes to an uneducated electorate, given that they were supposed to vote for six elective positions, with numerous candidates. There are also those who said the colour-coding of the ballot boxes and ballot papers had had an effect in the rejection of votes. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/-/1064/1714132/-/ayghod/-/index.html |
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Post by joblesscorner on Mar 7, 2013 22:20:26 GMT 3
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Post by 50cents on Mar 7, 2013 22:28:08 GMT 3
B6k You were right IEBC blames database bug for rejected votes error The chairman of Kenya’s electoral commission Issack Hassan has attributed the big reduction of rejected votes in the on-going manual tallying process to a bug in the commission’s database. Addressing a news conference at the Bomas of Kenya in Nairobi on Thursday evening, Mr Hassan said a bug in their database kept on multiplying the rejected votes by a factor of eight. The database was developed in-house by the Independent Boundaries and Electoral Commission. Mr Hassan said the programming error was as a result of a conflict between the IEBC server and the database. “There was an error in the way the programme was written… For any rejected vote for any candidate, they were being multiplied by eight,” said the IEBC chairman. As at 6.30pm last night, the IEBC had counted 6,031,500 votes, and the tally of rejected votes was at 58,409. When the results were being transmitted electronically from the polling stations, the database had recorded 338,592 rejected votes out of a total of 5,653,852 votes cast. The high number of rejected votes –which kept rising as the counting continued—made political parties jittery about their possible impact on the final tally of votes. For a candidate to be declared a president, they must have more than half of all the votes cast in an election and at least 25 per cent in more than half of the 47 counties in the country. By 6:30 pm Thusrday, the IEBC had officially announced results from 132 constituencies. Jubilee’s Uhuru Kenyatta was in the lead with 3,134,654 votes, Mr Raila Odinga of the Coalition for Reform and Democracy had 2,563,286, Musalia Mudavadi had 174,348, Peter Kenneth 34,409, Martha Karua 19,945, James ole Kiyiapi 19,365, Mohammed Dida 16,536 and Paul Muite 6,705. The high number of the rejected votes had made the IEBC promise to do an audit on the cause of the spectacle. Some of the observers at the Bomas of Kenya had attributed the high number of rejected votes to an uneducated electorate, given that they were supposed to vote for six elective positions, with numerous candidates. There are also those who said the colour-coding of the ballot boxes and ballot papers had had an effect in the rejection of votes. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/-/1064/1714132/-/ayghod/-/index.htmlThanks Nowayhaha for clarifying on this. I hope they will sort out all those doubts so as not to leave a bad taste in peoples mouth like the previous one. Jubilee’s Uhuru Kenyatta was in the lead with 3,134,654 votes, ?percent is this? Mr Raila Odinga of the Coalition for Reform and Democracy had 2,563,286 ?percent is this? Musalia Mudavadi had 174,348 ?percent is this? Peter Kenneth 34,409 ?percent is this? Martha Karua 19,945 ?percent is this? James ole Kiyiapi 19,365 ?percent is this? Mohammed Dida 16,536 ?percent is this? Paul Muite 6,705 ?percent is this? Cast but Spoiled votes ?percent is this? = 100% Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=8067&page=6#ixzz2MspcrUEy |
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Post by 50cents on Mar 7, 2013 22:29:38 GMT 3
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Post by Mobimba on Mar 7, 2013 23:04:36 GMT 3
B6k You were right IEBC blames database bug for rejected votes error The chairman of Kenya’s electoral commission Issack Hassan has attributed the big reduction of rejected votes in the on-going manual tallying process to a bug in the commission’s database. Addressing a news conference at the Bomas of Kenya in Nairobi on Thursday evening, Mr Hassan said a bug in their database kept on multiplying the rejected votes by a factor of eight. The database was developed in-house by the Independent Boundaries and Electoral Commission. Mr Hassan said the programming error was as a result of a conflict between the IEBC server and the database. “There was an error in the way the programme was written… For any rejected vote for any candidate, they were being multiplied by eight,” said the IEBC chairman. As at 6.30pm last night, the IEBC had counted 6,031,500 votes, and the tally of rejected votes was at 58,409. When the results were being transmitted electronically from the polling stations, the database had recorded 338,592 rejected votes out of a total of 5,653,852 votes cast. The high number of rejected votes –which kept rising as the counting continued—made political parties jittery about their possible impact on the final tally of votes. For a candidate to be declared a president, they must have more than half of all the votes cast in an election and at least 25 per cent in more than half of the 47 counties in the country. By 6:30 pm Thusrday, the IEBC had officially announced results from 132 constituencies. Jubilee’s Uhuru Kenyatta was in the lead with 3,134,654 votes, Mr Raila Odinga of the Coalition for Reform and Democracy had 2,563,286, Musalia Mudavadi had 174,348, Peter Kenneth 34,409, Martha Karua 19,945, James ole Kiyiapi 19,365, Mohammed Dida 16,536 and Paul Muite 6,705. The high number of the rejected votes had made the IEBC promise to do an audit on the cause of the spectacle. Some of the observers at the Bomas of Kenya had attributed the high number of rejected votes to an uneducated electorate, given that they were supposed to vote for six elective positions, with numerous candidates. There are also those who said the colour-coding of the ballot boxes and ballot papers had had an effect in the rejection of votes. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/-/1064/1714132/-/ayghod/-/index.htmlHassan's explanation is the most complete form of absolute nonsense. If indeed the multiplier issue was an error in the programming, there's no way on earth (and heaven) it could not have been caught in testing. Very worst case scenario, it would have been caught at the arrival of the very first transmission... unless of course we are dealing with the greatest assembly of bumbling idiots at the IEBC. They actually sat there for over a day; tallying over 50% of the vote... and no one noticed. Look, there is no shame in accepting the systems were hacked. It happens all the time even in the US. Just Google. Likely the hackers were instructed to screw around with the vote up to a certain limit where their 'winner' would be safe. Unfortunately, their pull-out strategy failed and the World started noticing and making loud noises. They had no option but to crush the entire system especially because in the end it's their boy who would be hurting. End of story, next chapter. |
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Post by mank on Mar 7, 2013 23:24:59 GMT 3
Hassan's explanation is the most complete form of absolute nonsense. If indeed the multiplier issue was an error in the programming, there's no way on earth (and heaven) it could not have been caught in testing. Very worst case scenario, it would have been caught at the arrival of the very first transmission... unless of course we are dealing with the greatest assembly of bumbling idiots at the IEBC. They actually sat there for over a day; tallying over 50% of the vote... and no one noticed. Look, there is no shame in accepting the systems were hacked. It happens all the time even in the US. Just Google.
Likely the hackers were instructed to screw around with the vote up to a certain limit where their 'winner' would be safe. Unfortunately, their pull-out strategy failed and the World started noticing and making loud noises. They had no option but to crush the entire system especially because in the end it's their boy who would be hurting. End of story, next chapter. If indeed Hassan owned up to a bug in the tallying software that would reproduce rejected votes, then I would say he is the very person that has most discredited the system. However while I have seen it written that he owned up to such a bug, I have not heard him say so, and I know there are all kinds of allegations floating around. So I hesitate to believe what I hear second/3rd hand, or read. Assuming he owned up to it though, what then should be the limit of our imaginations as to what else the bug or its relative could be doing? I hate where Hassan would be putting us, in the world of uncertainty, if he indeed owned up to such a "demon"! |
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 7, 2013 23:28:16 GMT 3
B6k You were right IEBC blames database bug for rejected votes error The chairman of Kenya’s electoral commission Issack Hassan has attributed the big reduction of rejected votes in the on-going manual tallying process to a bug in the commission’s database. Addressing a news conference at the Bomas of Kenya in Nairobi on Thursday evening, Mr Hassan said a bug in their database kept on multiplying the rejected votes by a factor of eight. The database was developed in-house by the Independent Boundaries and Electoral Commission. Mr Hassan said the programming error was as a result of a conflict between the IEBC server and the database. “There was an error in the way the programme was written… For any rejected vote for any candidate, they were being multiplied by eight,” said the IEBC chairman. As at 6.30pm last night, the IEBC had counted 6,031,500 votes, and the tally of rejected votes was at 58,409. When the results were being transmitted electronically from the polling stations, the database had recorded 338,592 rejected votes out of a total of 5,653,852 votes cast. The high number of rejected votes –which kept rising as the counting continued—made political parties jittery about their possible impact on the final tally of votes. For a candidate to be declared a president, they must have more than half of all the votes cast in an election and at least 25 per cent in more than half of the 47 counties in the country. By 6:30 pm Thusrday, the IEBC had officially announced results from 132 constituencies. Jubilee’s Uhuru Kenyatta was in the lead with 3,134,654 votes, Mr Raila Odinga of the Coalition for Reform and Democracy had 2,563,286, Musalia Mudavadi had 174,348, Peter Kenneth 34,409, Martha Karua 19,945, James ole Kiyiapi 19,365, Mohammed Dida 16,536 and Paul Muite 6,705. The high number of the rejected votes had made the IEBC promise to do an audit on the cause of the spectacle. Some of the observers at the Bomas of Kenya had attributed the high number of rejected votes to an uneducated electorate, given that they were supposed to vote for six elective positions, with numerous candidates. There are also those who said the colour-coding of the ballot boxes and ballot papers had had an effect in the rejection of votes. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/-/1064/1714132/-/ayghod/-/index.htmlHassan's explanation is the most complete form of absolute nonsense. If indeed the multiplier issue was an error in the programming, there's no way on earth (and heaven) it could not have been caught in testing. Very worst case scenario, it would have been caught at the arrival of the very first transmission... unless of course we are dealing with the greatest assembly of bumbling idiots at the IEBC. They actually sat there for over a day; tallying over 50% of the vote... and no one noticed. Look, there is no shame in accepting the systems were hacked. It happens all the time even in the US. Just Google. Likely the hackers were instructed to screw around with the vote up to a certain limit where their 'winner' would be safe. Unfortunately, their pull-out strategy failed and the World started noticing and making loud noises. They had no option but to crush the entire system especially because in the end it's their boy who would be hurting. End of story, next chapter. Lincoln, Go through again the news-story by Nation .If there was any hacking then it should have been done to increase the number of rejected voters and therefore force a runoff and it seems the plot was unearthed Heres the same story as reported by standard newspapers Contrary to speculations and rumors, we do not believe the system was hacked into as the installed multiple-layered security systems did not indicate that,†Hassan pointed out.
There were also concerns about the spoilt votes that reduced dramatically after IEBC adopted the manual system, and Hassan said there was a database server error that multiplied the rejected votes by eight. The rejected votes stood at over 320,000 when cast votes stood at more than 4 million when the system failed. By the time of going to press the rejected votes were now 58,409 out of the 6,031,500 votes cast. standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000078851&story_title=Kenya-IEBC-disputes-division-claims-among-commissioners |
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Post by Mobimba on Mar 7, 2013 23:39:03 GMT 3
Hassan's explanation is the most complete form of absolute nonsense. If indeed the multiplier issue was an error in the programming, there's no way on earth (and heaven) it could not have been caught in testing. Very worst case scenario, it would have been caught at the arrival of the very first transmission... unless of course we are dealing with the greatest assembly of bumbling idiots at the IEBC. They actually sat there for over a day; tallying over 50% of the vote... and no one noticed. Look, there is no shame in accepting the systems were hacked. It happens all the time even in the US. Just Google.
Likely the hackers were instructed to screw around with the vote up to a certain limit where their 'winner' would be safe. Unfortunately, their pull-out strategy failed and the World started noticing and making loud noises. They had no option but to crush the entire system especially because in the end it's their boy who would be hurting. End of story, next chapter. If indeed Hassan owned up to a bug in the tallying software that would reproduce rejected votes, then I would say he is the very person that has most discredited the system. However while I have seen it written that he owned up to such a bug, I have not heard him say so, and I know there are all kinds of allegations floating around. So I hesitate to believe what I hear second/3rd hand, or read. Assuming he owned up to it though, what then should be the limit of our imaginations as to what else the bug or its relative could be doing? I hate where Hassan would be putting us, in the world of uncertainty, if he indeed owned up to such a "demon"! Mank - If I told you it's midnight and very dark outside, you will not believe me until you saw it. Sections of the news article posted here by Nowayhaha are verbatim but you want to see the video. |
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Post by mank on Mar 7, 2013 23:45:57 GMT 3
If indeed Hassan owned up to a bug in the tallying software that would reproduce rejected votes, then I would say he is the very person that has most discredited the system. However while I have seen it written that he owned up to such a bug, I have not heard him say so, and I know there are all kinds of allegations floating around. So I hesitate to believe what I hear second/3rd hand, or read.
Assuming he owned up to it though, what then should be the limit of our imaginations as to what else the bug or its relative could be doing? I hate where Hassan would be putting us, in the world of uncertainty, if he indeed owned up to such a "demon"!
Mank - If I told you it's midnight and very dark outside, you will not believe me until you saw it.
Sections of the news article posted here by Nowayhaha are verbatim but you want to see the video. Oh yes! I do! I am not believing anything second hand on this topic! I had actually read it somewhere that looked very authentic, as a headline just below streaming news, but I am being that careful on this. I won't call anyone a propagandist but I am treating each of you as one  After all the title of this thread "They are stealing the elections again!" is propagandist.
Mank - If I told you it's midnight and very dark outside, you will not believe me until you saw it.
. That sounds like an echo from my childhood ... they used to call me "doubting Thomas" ... it didn't help that I was named after a grandfather called TOMA (of course Thomas). |
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Post by Mobimba on Mar 7, 2013 23:55:16 GMT 3
Ok Mank- Please don’t believe the following but it was in the Nation Online.
As of 22:55, Odinga 45.84%; Kenyatta 49.59%; Spoilt votes 0.95%;
Uhuru Kenyatta has 3,517, 629; Raila Odinga has 3,252,126; Rejected votes 67, 646.
Even when magically reduced, the rejected votes may still a factor. hackers or no hackers
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Post by mank on Mar 8, 2013 0:00:52 GMT 3
Ok Mank- Please don’t believe the following but it was in the Nation Online. As of 22:55, Odinga 45.84%; Kenyatta 49.59%; Spoilt votes 0.95%; Uhuru Kenyatta has 3,517, 629; Raila Odinga has 3,252,126; Rejected votes 67, 646. Even when magically reduced, the rejected votes may still a factor. hackers or no hackers That looks believable ... I am believing statistics depending on the context ... but curious as to the validity of any tales of what is happening or happened. In my view no one should be calling this election yet. |
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Post by mank on Mar 8, 2013 0:11:06 GMT 3
Ok Mank- Please don’t believe the following but it was in the Nation Online.
As of 22:55, Odinga 45.84%; Kenyatta 49.59%; Spoilt votes 0.95%;
Uhuru Kenyatta has 3,517, 629; Raila Odinga has 3,252,126; Rejected votes 67, 646.
Even when magically reduced, the rejected votes may still a factor. hackers or no hackers Funny thing is if Raila tilts over the balance and builds a margin like the one Uhuru has now (I don't know how much counting remains, so I can't tell if this is plausible), there will be a rotation of positions among many with respect to this "rejected ballots" debate. |
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 8, 2013 0:13:49 GMT 3
Former President warns RAILA and KALONZO over incitement, saying was FREE and FAIR Thursday March 7, 2013 - CORD politicians have been warned against making statements that border on incitement in response to the ongoing vote tallying by the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (IEBC). Former Zambian President Rupiah Banda has urged Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka and Prime Minister Raila Odinga to restrain from making press briefings that may incite the public. He urged them to refrain themselves from making inflammatory statements that could undermine national stability and security. “We urge political parties and candidates to continue to exercise patience as the results process continues and to bring any complaints that they may have to appropriate legal channels,” Banda said. Banda said a number of constituencies have small problems which should be solved through legal means but not through making inflammatory statements. www.kenyan-post.com/2013/03/former-president-warns-raila-and.html |
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Post by Mobimba on Mar 8, 2013 0:42:28 GMT 3
Former President warns RAILA and KALONZO over incitement, saying was FREE and FAIR Thursday March 7, 2013 - CORD politicians have been warned against making statements that border on incitement in response to the ongoing vote tallying by the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (IEBC). Former Zambian President Rupiah Banda has urged Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka and Prime Minister Raila Odinga to restrain from making press briefings that may incite the public. He urged them to refrain themselves from making inflammatory statements that could undermine national stability and security. “We urge political parties and candidates to continue to exercise patience as the results process continues and to bring any complaints that they may have to appropriate legal channels,” Banda said. Banda said a number of constituencies have small problems which should be solved through legal means but not through making inflammatory statements. www.kenyan-post.com/2013/03/former-president-warns-raila-and.htmlNoway… The other day, Ruto and Ngilu were screaming British military invasion and accusing the British ambassador of all manner of animated interference at the IEBC. In your opinion, would their statements be considered incitement? Jus axing. |
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Post by b6k on Mar 8, 2013 3:35:30 GMT 3
I took the liberty to check the presidential results for Runyenjes constituency, just picking at random one of the constituencies where the Vice-President has alleged the votes cast exceed the total number of registered voters, and this is what the eight presidential candidates garnered: Kiyiapi 176; Karua 330; Dida 89; Mudavadi 135; Muite 61; Kenneth 294; Raila 1,812; Uhuru 54,898. Now if you total the votes for all the candidates it comes to 57,795. This is against a registered voter population of 66,000. Therefore it appears there is no substance to what the vice-president is claiming on this particular issue. It really irritates for someone to make a claim that does not check out even at the most cursory inspection. However, the issue of the rejected votes which stood at 330,000+ with less than half the votes tallied, but which have now mysteriously disappeared needs an explanation. I hope Isaack Hassan addresses the issue the next time he holds a press briefing. Citizen TV have debunked Kalonzo's allegations of more people voting than were on the register at Runyenjes et al. It looks like this time around even the press will not allow propaganda to go unchallenged.... |
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Post by mank on Mar 8, 2013 4:54:59 GMT 3
Citizen TV have debunked Kalonzo's allegations of more people voting than were on the register at Runyenjes et al. It looks like this time around even the press will not allow propaganda to go unchallenged.... Hassan himself said in one of his briefings that IEBC had not come across any evidence of such over voting. That has me wondering whether it is that they have not looked keenly enough, or that what we are presented with somewhere on this board is fake ... Here |
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Post by b6k on Mar 8, 2013 7:59:01 GMT 3
Citizen TV have debunked Kalonzo's allegations of more people voting than were on the register at Runyenjes et al. It looks like this time around even the press will not allow propaganda to go unchallenged.... Hassan himself said in one of his briefings that IEBC had not come across any evidence of such over voting. That has me wondering whether it is that they have not looked keenly enough, or that what we are presented with somewhere on this board is fake ... HereThe content of the CORD statement constitutes an election offence. Should the party, or at least Kalonzo, be censured? |
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Post by nereah on Mar 29, 2013 14:45:05 GMT 3
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300,000 Rejected Votes,
