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Post by furaha on Mar 24, 2013 20:21:04 GMT 3
B6k, or is it BASIC (have I cracked your codename? Lol) On more serious matters, hii maneno ya 300 million for each judge (rumours as is) got me thinking... Kwani from MP's to IEBC etc getting all that money in bribes running into billions. Where does this money come from ? Kwani it is a bottomless pit ? Kweli some kenyans have cash if indeed the rumours are true. I am not an economist so someone answer me this: doesn't all that cash flying around do some damage to the inflation ? ? Couldn't they go for a higher price ? Does one judge get more than the other (thanks to his/her negotiating skills) or do they sit together and issue a blanket price ? You know!!! For the sake of FAIRNES and HONOUR amongst Judges ? , BASIC works for me as I break things down to brass tacks for you on Jukwaa ;D As to the never-ending depth of these pockets of Kamwana & his pals, I have wondered the same thing. With all that cash flooding into the economy we would see the effects of inflation....if it were true. Sadly methinks the CORDashians are falling over themselves & believing their own tall tales to the point they are totally out of touch with reality. Just have a look at the first post in this thread & tell me whether that was drafted by a sober individual or someone smoking some substance similar to crack cocaine.... .. In January inflation stood at 3.2 per cent. It now stands at 4.45 per cent. That is an increase of more than 33 per cent. That should tell us something. And it will probably go higher before the effects wear off. There is a lot of cash in the economy, not only due to fraudulent contracts but probably also due to vote buying and the astronomical cost of all these campaign rallies. The vehicles, the vote buying, the tents, the furniture, the sodas , themoney for the rent-a-crowdss and so on. always wanted to start a rally organising business around election campaign time but am always too late. ;-) The data from 1992 onwards suggests that there is always appending spree, a shot in the at for consumerism. That fuels inflation and is subsequently followed by lower economic growth or even a contraction of the economy, as in 2008. That contraction is usually due to fence-sitting by both domestic and international investors. |
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Post by podp on Mar 24, 2013 20:39:04 GMT 3
In January inflation stood at 3.2 per cent. It now stands at 4.45 per cent. That is an increase of more than 33 per cent. That should tell us something. And it will probably go higher before the effects wear off. There is a lot of cash in the economy, not only due to fraudulent contracts but probably also due to vote buying and the astronomical cost of all these campaign rallies. The vehicles, the vote buying, the tents, the furniture, the sodas , themoney for the rent-a-crowdss and so on. always wanted to start a rally organising business around election campaign time but am always too late. ;-) The data from 1992 onwards suggests that there is always appending spree, a shot in the at for consumerism. That fuels inflation and is subsequently followed by lower economic growth or even a contraction of the economy, as in 2008. That contraction is usually due to fence-sitting by both domestic and international investors. while there are rumours flying that CORD did not spend much, holding on to its cash to wait for round 2 the story in the East African is more believable. Companies listed at the Nairobi Securities Exchange have created a warchest of cash to help them weather any election-related shocks as they seek a balance between expansion, appeasing shareholders and paying off debt. A survey by The East African of 28 listed companies that have so far released their financial results for the full and half year ending December 2012, shows that more than half of them held more cash compared with the previous year. www.theeastafrican.co.ke/news/Firms-created-warchests-against-poll-shocks-/-/2558/1728588/-/10l03i3z/-/index.htmlso it is investors, both local and foreign who are really holding back the money and not those reasons you give , 'a lot of cash in the economy, not only due to fraudulent contracts but probably also due to vote buying and the astronomical cost of all these campaign rallies'. since 1992 most of the cash used is fake and that is why CBK has to mop it up. real cash is not available in circulation. |
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Post by Omwenga on Mar 24, 2013 20:45:25 GMT 3
"The move could have opened the window for the possible nomination of top ODM, Wiper and Ford Kenya leaders such as Prime Minister Raila Odinga and Vice-President Kalonzo Musyoka should the Supreme Court case they have filed against the declaration of Uhuru Kenyatta as the presidential election winner fail. But the coalition was quick to say that their move was not aimed at cushioning the two leaders."All of a sudden the overwhelming case isn't as slam dunk as it appeared to be, eh? No worries. Your ability to spin is legendary but I'm afraid you are now in a serious tailspin if you expect anyone to take your word for it..... b6k, I have got to believe you're capable of noticing the fallacy and flaw in logic what you highlight to be your explanation why there is a connection between Cord's seeking to amend its list of nominees and our confidence in the petition before the Supreme Court. Hint: What you cite is someone other than Cord theorizing as to why Cord seeks to amend the list, a theory that is denied as nonsense by Cord within the same story. We know it's fashionable and serves the feel good purpose for people opposed or against Raila to chose to believe things they concoct in their own minds or whatever is peddled to them when it comes to Raila but it's another thing altogether to peddle the same nonsense to others who unlike them use their brains to think and analyze what is fed them and accept only that which makes sense and reject the nonsense. |
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Post by Omwenga on Mar 24, 2013 20:56:02 GMT 3
About this time last year, a colleague of mine and I were in very advanced stages of importing 3 choppers to be leased in Kenya during the elections and afterwards make them available for general lease as well as for our business needs. We abandoned the idea when we discovered there were already 27 choppers in the country and therefore the market was saturated for this to make sense from a business stand-point. When the dust settles, we are bringing in one chopper to cater for our business needs and that will be at my disposal to use 24/7 meaning, I would have to make a tough choice whether to fly in my own chopper or catch a ride with Jakom, the next PORK. When I say 24/7 I know choppers cannot fly after 6:00pm but you get my point. I say all this because I have never seen the relevance of all of these personal matters relative to what we discuss or debate here and to also edify you that if you think my blogging is influenced by riding in choppers, then you have a learn about who I am and what motivates me to do what I do, which you can easily find on my blog in blogs such as The Criteria Everyone Should Use In Deciding Who To Vote For and Why I Blog , you really have a knack of contradicting yourself. You paste too much personal information about yourself & your business(es) & then get all riled up when someone calls you on it. Heeeloooo! This is the internet, oyominto. To paraphrase from the Miranda rights which you should be well acquainted with, anything you write about yourself can & will be used against you on the court of Jukwaa.... b6k, I abhor the discussion of anyone's personal or professional affairs, let alone mine where it's irrelevant as is always the case here in my situation but occasionally do point out the futility and irrelevancy by citing matters that touch on my personal or professional life to make just that point; that's not a contradiction but a testament as to who I am and why I find such obsession with the discussion of persons or anything related to their personal lives quite frankly, backward and part reason our country finds itself where we are blinded with obsession with such irrelevancies instead of focusing on things that build and not the age old wivu na chuki that largely explain the obsession besides tribalism and hate. |
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Post by mank on Mar 24, 2013 21:11:42 GMT 3
Omwenga,
There was a story grannies would tell little kids around the fire place in the evening, which you seem to be enacting here. It goes like this:
The hyena was walking a path in the forest, and came to this bush of grapes. High up the bush were ripe and juicy grapes, but lower and close to the ground were immature and inedible ones. They hyena jumped and jumped but could not reach a single ripe grape. I question whether the hyena would really care about grapes, ripe or not, but its ok with me if the grannies stretched reality for the sake of the moral of the story. Then finally the hyena exclaimed "... ha! They are not that ripe after all!" Then off he went on his way!
Just like the beast accorded value to the grapes while he thought he could reach them, so did you the Kalenjin vote while you argued that Raila would get them with or without Ruto. And just like the hyena put a face to dismiss the grapes as not even ripe once he could not reach them, so are you the Kalenjin vote when you realize they never were Raila's!
If there were to be a round 2, but I don't expect it, I think Raila would need every vote he got in the first round, plus some more. How you figure you can count off a whole group of people as the Kalenjin out of the vehicle necessary to deliver a president, I don't quite understand. But it is a dangerous argument to make as a close supporter of your candidate as you present yourself, whether you believe the argument or not.
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Post by Omwenga on Mar 24, 2013 21:13:42 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, go easy on the guy. That is too much reality to handle in one serving. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I don't see anything even close to "too much reality to handle here" I have said my piece, Jakaswanga has said his and we move on; at least his well reasoned and intellectually engaging than posts by others exclusively specialized on the irrelevant, ad hominem attacks and thoughtless. When it comes to intellectual discussions, it doesn't matter whether one is a "lift seeker" or for whatever reason they seek the lifts be they in a limo, chopper or whatever neither does it matter whether they do so for benign or invidious reasons; what matters is whether they can engage intellectually and offer well reasoned, cogent arguments for their respective positions. Such considerations do matter among those incapable of reasoning or debating because that's how they justify their inability to debate or reason, especially when faced with indisputable facts and truth: "Oh, I have nothing to say to the fact that there is insurmountable evidence of IEBC rigging in favor of Uhuru but you can't make that case because you have been riding in limos and choppers with Raila or you can't make that case because you are a lift seeker seeing to lift yourself out of your current situation by hook or crook." That kind of reasoning and logic only works with those whose capacity to think and reason matches or is less than that of those making the useless argument. |
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Post by mank on Mar 24, 2013 21:16:37 GMT 3
Omwenga, you really have a knack of contradicting yourself. You paste too much personal information about yourself & your business(es) & then get all riled up when someone calls you on it. Heeeloooo! This is the internet, oyominto. To paraphrase from the Miranda rights which you should be well acquainted with, anything you write about yourself can & will be used against you on the court of Jukwaa....
I abhor the discussion of anyone's personal or professional affairs, let alone mine where it's irrelevant as is always the case here in my situation but occasionally do point out the futility and irrelevancy by citing matters that touch on my personal or professional life to make just that point; that's not a contradiction but a testament as to who I am and why I find such obsession with the discussion of persons or anything related to their personal lives quite frankly, backward and part reason our country finds itself where we are blinded with obsession with such irrelevancies instead of focusing on things that build and not the age old wivu na chuki that largely explain the obsession besides tribalism and hate., you are actually the one who likes teasing here with your private life. Remember how recently you were telling us how you live in a gated community with a golf course, and you school all your children in private school? You seem not to keep track of what is private and what is not, if you really don't like discussing personal stuff yet you discuss such - unprompted. |
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Post by jakaswanga on Mar 24, 2013 21:25:35 GMT 3
Omwenga, There was a story grannies would tell little kids around the fire place in the evening, which you seem to be enacting here. It goes like this: The hyena was walking a path in the forest, and came to this bush of grapes. High up the bush were ripe and juicy grapes, but lower and close to the ground were immature and inedible ones. They hyena jumped and jumped but could not reach a single ripe grape. I question whether the hyena would really care about grapes, ripe or not, but its ok with me if the grannies stretched reality for the sake of the moral of the story. Then finally the hyena exclaimed ". .. ha! They are not that ripe after all!" Then off he went on his way! Just like the beast accorded value to the grapes while he thought he could reach them, so did you the Kalenjin vote while you argued that Raila would get them with or without Ruto. And just like the hyena put a face to dismiss the grapes as not even ripe once he could not reach them, so are you the Kalenjin vote when you realize they never were Raila's! If there were to be a round 2, but I don't expect it, I think Raila would need every vote he got in the first round, plus some more. How you figure you can count off a whole group of people as the Kalenjin out of the vehicle necessary to deliver a president, I don't quite understand. But it is a dangerous argument to make as a close supporter of your candidate as you present yourself, whether you believe the argument or not. this is famously called the 'sour grapes' analogy! it is a cannon in teaching! Eh, Mank, that granny of yours, she told more tales? I wont pay royalties every time I quote her, but instead of saying Onyango Oloo Akbar ;D ;D every time I post on Jukwaa, I could say, let us hope Mank grows up to be as wise as his grandmother, and tell equally wise tales! ;D |
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Post by danielwaweru on Mar 24, 2013 21:30:53 GMT 3
About this time last year, a colleague of mine and I were in very advanced stages of importing 3 choppers to be leased in Kenya during the elections and afterwards make them available for general lease as well as for our business needs. We abandoned the idea when we discovered there were already 27 choppers in the country and therefore the market was saturated for this to make sense from a business stand-point. When the dust settles, we are bringing in one chopper to cater for our business needs and that will be at my disposal to use 24/7 meaning, I would have to make a tough choice whether to fly in my own chopper or catch a ride with Jakom, the next PORK. When I say 24/7 I know choppers cannot fly after 6:00pm but you get my point. I say all this because I have never seen the relevance of all of these personal matters relative to what we discuss or debate here and to also edify you that if you think my blogging is influenced by riding in choppers, then you have a learn about who I am and what motivates me to do what I do, which you can easily find on my blog in blogs such as The Criteria Everyone Should Use In Deciding Who To Vote For and Why I Blog , you really have a knack of contradicting yourself. You paste too much personal information about yourself & your business(es) & then get all riled up when someone calls you on it. Heeeloooo! This is the internet, oyominto. To paraphrase from the Miranda rights which you should be well acquainted with, anything you write about yourself can & will be used against you on the court of Jukwaa.... |
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Post by mank on Mar 24, 2013 21:47:10 GMT 3
Omwenga,
There was a story grannies would tell little kids around the fire place in the evening, which you seem to be enacting here. It goes like this:
The hyena was walking a path in the forest, and came to this bush of grapes. High up the bush were ripe and juicy grapes, but lower and close to the ground were immature and inedible ones. They hyena jumped and jumped but could not reach a single ripe grape. I question whether the hyena would really care about grapes, ripe or not, but its ok with me if the grannies stretched reality for the sake of the moral of the story. Then finally the hyena exclaimed "... ha! They are not that ripe after all!" Then off he went on his way!
Just like the beast accorded value to the grapes while he thought he could reach them, so did you the Kalenjin vote while you argued that Raila would get them with or without Ruto. And just like the hyena put a face to dismiss the grapes as not even ripe once he could not reach them, so are you the Kalenjin vote when you realize they never were Raila's!
If there were to be a round 2, but I don't expect it, I think Raila would need every vote he got in the first round, plus some more. How you figure you can count off a whole group of people as the Kalenjin out of the vehicle necessary to deliver a president, I don't quite understand. But it is a dangerous argument to make as a close supporter of your candidate as you present yourself, whether you believe the argument or not. this is famously called the 'sour grapes' analogy! it is a cannon in teaching! Eh, Mank, that granny of yours, she told more tales? I wont pay royalties every time I quote her, but instead of saying Onyango Oloo Akbar ;D ;D every time I post on Jukwaa, I could say, let us hope Mank grows up to be as wise as his grandmother, and tell equally wise tales! ;D, What a surprising message! It suggests to me that I was probably a spoilt grandson ... I took it for granted that everyone's granny told these kinds of wise stories. I don't make none of them up! |
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Post by Omwenga on Mar 24, 2013 21:49:31 GMT 3
Omwenga, There was a story grannies would tell little kids around the fire place in the evening, which you seem to be enacting here. It goes like this: The hyena was walking a path in the forest, and came to this bush of grapes. High up the bush were ripe and juicy grapes, but lower and close to the ground were immature and inedible ones. They hyena jumped and jumped but could not reach a single ripe grape. I question whether the hyena would really care about grapes, ripe or not, but its ok with me if the grannies stretched reality for the sake of the moral of the story. Then finally the hyena exclaimed ". .. ha! They are not that ripe after all!" Then off he went on his way! Just like the beast accorded value to the grapes while he thought he could reach them, so did you the Kalenjin vote while you argued that Raila would get them with or without Ruto. And just like the hyena put a face to dismiss the grapes as not even ripe once he could not reach them, so are you the Kalenjin vote when you realize they never were Raila's! If there were to be a round 2, but I don't expect it, I think Raila would need every vote he got in the first round, plus some more. How you figure you can count off a whole group of people as the Kalenjin out of the vehicle necessary to deliver a president, I don't quite understand. But it is a dangerous argument to make as a close supporter of your candidate as you present yourself, whether you believe the argument or not.
Please re-read what I said and I am sure you'll see I have not "counted off a whole group," let alone the Kalenjin. In the simplest form of this argument all I am saying is Raila can win in Round 2 without the Kalenjin vote but Uhuru cannot. In political parlance, saying such and such group "vote" does not mean the entire registered roster of the voters from the community or group but a significant number and not even necessarily a majority but a significant number nonetheless. |
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Post by Omwenga on Mar 24, 2013 21:52:37 GMT 3
b6k,
I abhor the discussion of anyone's personal or professional affairs, let alone mine where it's irrelevant as is always the case here in my situation but occasionally do point out the futility and irrelevancy by citing matters that touch on my personal or professional life to make just that point; that's not a contradiction but a testament as to who I am and why I find such obsession with the discussion of persons or anything related to their personal lives quite frankly, backward and part reason our country finds itself where we are blinded with obsession with such irrelevancies instead of focusing on things that build and not the age old wivu na chuki that largely explain the obsession besides tribalism and hate. , you are actually the one who likes teasing here with your private life. Remember how recently you were telling us how you live in a gated community with a golf course, and you school all your children in private school? You seem not to keep track of what is private and what is not, if you really don't like discussing personal stuff yet you discuss such - unprompted. You missed the point I made that I have on occasion said something related to my personal or professional life precisely to make the point I have made here relative to the irrelevancy of all of this and now consider the discourse on this topic at an end from my end. |
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Post by jakaswanga on Mar 24, 2013 21:55:07 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, What a surprising message! It suggests to me that I was probably a spoilt grandson ... I took it for granted that everyone's granny told these kinds of wise stories. I don't make none of them up! Under normal circumstances yes, but in my case my dad was a nomad fisherman, and he migrated with me from beach to beach, coz he said, we were water people, and had no business on dry land listening to old women tales! A miss for me, but I caught up in school later!  |
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Post by mank on Mar 24, 2013 22:01:08 GMT 3
Omwenga,
There was a story grannies would tell little kids around the fire place in the evening, which you seem to be enacting here. It goes like this:
The hyena was walking a path in the forest, and came to this bush of grapes. High up the bush were ripe and juicy grapes, but lower and close to the ground were immature and inedible ones. They hyena jumped and jumped but could not reach a single ripe grape. I question whether the hyena would really care about grapes, ripe or not, but its ok with me if the grannies stretched reality for the sake of the moral of the story. Then finally the hyena exclaimed "... ha! They are not that ripe after all!" Then off he went on his way!
Just like the beast accorded value to the grapes while he thought he could reach them, so did you the Kalenjin vote while you argued that Raila would get them with or without Ruto. And just like the hyena put a face to dismiss the grapes as not even ripe once he could not reach them, so are you the Kalenjin vote when you realize they never were Raila's!
If there were to be a round 2, but I don't expect it, I think Raila would need every vote he got in the first round, plus some more. How you figure you can count off a whole group of people as the Kalenjin out of the vehicle necessary to deliver a president, I don't quite understand. But it is a dangerous argument to make as a close supporter of your candidate as you present yourself, whether you believe the argument or not.
..... In the simplest form of this argument all I am saying is Raila can win in Round 2 without the Kalenjin vote but Uhuru cannot...So you are suggesting that in an hypothetical situation in which the Kalenjin don't vote for either Uhuru or Raila, Raila would win. That's kind of obvious, so I wonder why it's a thought worth a thread. Anyway, I realize you said you are done with it ... which is a way people often take back their arguments when they cannot master the humility of conceding to a superior opinion. Conceding to anything is a real challenge with some people. |
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Post by mank on Mar 24, 2013 22:07:59 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, What a surprising message! It suggests to me that I was probably a spoilt grandson ... I took it for granted that everyone's granny told these kinds of wise stories. I don't make none of them up! Oh men, I trust there was wisdom of water people too ... or else I would think you missed out great teachings of the African library that we have done poorly to conserve. Me, on the other hand, grew thinking of fish as these slimy things that I would not envision eating ... till one day pear pressure led me to order some grilled fish at an exotic restaurant down in the slopes of the big mountain. Then I saw the light. |
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Post by Omwenga on Mar 24, 2013 22:14:55 GMT 3
Mank,
..... In the simplest form of this argument all I am saying is Raila can win in Round 2 without the Kalenjin vote but Uhuru cannot... So you are suggesting that in an hypothetical situation in which the Kalenjin don't vote for either Uhuru or Raila, Raila would win. That's kind of obvious, so I wonder why it's a thought worth a thread. Anyway, I realize you said you are done with it ... which is a way people often take back their arguments when they cannot master the humility of conceding to a superior opinion. Conceding to anything is a real challenge with some people. Sorry I meant an end to the unnecessary discourse about obsession with discussion of persons instead of issues... On this thread, I made the case that contrary to others arguing that Raila must have the Kalenjin vote to win, Raila can actually win in Round 2 without carrying or even getting the Kalenjin vote, which, as I have said, doesn't mean he doesn't need the Kalenjin vote as a whole; only he doesn't need them at the margins others argued he does. In a run off or even re-run, either Raila or Uhuru is going to get the majority of the Kalenjin vote so your hypothetical is just that, an hypothetical and like many others I can come up for you, you can count on it not happening as you can count on the sun rising from the east and setting to the west and so certain is such the case my column I posted here as a thread is not addressed to it at all. |
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Post by kmurungi on Mar 25, 2013 5:24:04 GMT 3
True, re-run election will be a rude shock to Ruto and Uhuru. Numbers won't lie central has 2,190,477 and kalenjins only 1.4 m these are not even 1/4 of Kenya registered voters. Wait and see
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Post by mank on Mar 25, 2013 6:01:14 GMT 3
True, re-run election will be a rude shock to Ruto and Uhuru. Numbers won't lie central has 2,190,477 and kalenjins only 1.4 m these are not even 1/4 of Kenya registered voters. Wait and see That's a lot of votes Kmurungi, for one alliance, when you imagine that the same alliance would still get votes from other regions. What do you think? Methinks this is how Uhuruto managed it in the first round. |
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Post by mank on Mar 25, 2013 6:07:13 GMT 3
So you are suggesting that in an hypothetical situation in which the Kalenjin don't vote for either Uhuru or Raila, Raila would win. That's kind of obvious, so I wonder why it's a thought worth a thread. Anyway, I realize you said you are done with it ... which is a way people often take back their arguments when they cannot master the humility of conceding to a superior opinion. Conceding to anything is a real challenge with some people.
Mank,
Sorry I meant an end to the unnecessary discourse about obsession with discussion of persons instead of issues...
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 25, 2013 9:05:16 GMT 3
b6k,You're the one living in a world of denial and delusion because you obviously refuse to believe that the elections were rigged and massively so; that's called denial. Your believing that one elected under such circumstances, namely, in a rigged election such as this, can become president is delusional. We know it's your wish and dream that Raila never becomes president, a majority of Kenyans hold the opposite view and that's the man has proven himself over and over as a leader our country deserves at this time and point of our history and he shall be by the will of the people as expressed via the ballot. In response to whoever the blogger is that said rather than Cord trying the same thing over and over, tell him or her rather than Jubilee and its progeny trying to steal elections each circle, let them try and convince voters to vote for them and accept their verdict rather than turning around upon rejection and trying to force themselves down their throats. You can either un-bury your head from deep in the sand where you have it in denial and shake yourself to the reality Uhuru did not win but the obviously compromised IEBC fooled you and others to believe he did or the Supreme Court will do that for you. How we know you and like minded wish we could just accept the assault on democracy and move on but that ain't going to happen. We confidently await the Supreme Court's decision we are equally confident will be on the side of law and justice which in turn is on the side of the people's will and by that I mean the will of the majority of those who went to the polls on March 4th 2013. , & when the SC rules in favour of throwing out the petition by a decision of 5 against it & 1 for it (the one being Mutunga) since the SC has been "bought" for KSh 300 million per judge (a story I hear doing rounds amongst my ODM pals), what then? When will it ever end? Won't the whine of the day be "but what do you expect from judges who have been compromised by Uhuru's deep pockets?", or will that be the day you organize the million man march round 2? In short, if you always find yourselves on the back-foot, re-organize, get prepared to be a healthy opposition party, but all the whining's gotta go, buddy..... B6k, Whereas Nyanza political leaders are on the acceptance stage and are reviewing why they performed poorly in the just concluded elections and even going to an extent of giving recommendations or advice to the Nyanza electorate ,Omenga seems is still in the denial stage . www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Nyanza-leaders-blame-voters/-/1064/1729528/-/jg5wfpz/-/index.htmlNyanza leaders blame voters for Raila’s election loss and trouble Some leaders from Luo Nyanza have blamed voters from the region for the poll woes facing Prime Minister Raila Odinga. Siaya Governor Cornel Rasanga, Kisumu Deputy Governor Ruth Odinga and MPs Jakoyo Midiwo (Gem) and Gideon Ochanda (Bondo) on Sunday said there was general voter apathy in the region that gave their opponents undue advantage. They said failure of the voters to turn out in large numbers in the region, largely considered to be Mr Odinga’s stronghold, made him vulnerable in the contest as his rivals got full support from their turfs. The leaders, who were meeting voters publicly for the first time since the March 4 polls, were speaking in Rarieda at the funeral of Ms Selina Guda, mother of the proprietor of Nairobi’s Kosewe Hotel, Mr William Osewe. The funeral was also attended by Mr Odinga. The ball was set rolling by Ms Odinga when she blamed voters for selling their IDs just before the election. “Almost 50,000 votes were not cast in Kisumu alone because people sold their ID cards, and then women refused to vote,” she said. Took issue On his part, Mr Midiwo took issue with voters who registered to vote in Nairobi and other areas but travelled home just before election for fear of violence. “Why do you have to travel when the war was just about to begin and those votes were the weapons?” he posed. Mr Rasanga echoed the sentiments and asked the mourners to give birth to as many children as they can so as to have the numbers in future. However, Mr Odinga thanked the voters for turning out to vote. “You did well and I thank you for that, just know that the struggle is not over yet,” he said |
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Post by Omwenga on Mar 25, 2013 9:24:12 GMT 3
Omwenga, & when the SC rules in favour of throwing out the petition by a decision of 5 against it & 1 for it (the one being Mutunga) since the SC has been "bought" for KSh 300 million per judge (a story I hear doing rounds amongst my ODM pals), what then? When will it ever end? Won't the whine of the day be "but what do you expect from judges who have been compromised by Uhuru's deep pockets?", or will that be the day you organize the million man march round 2? In short, if you always find yourselves on the back-foot, re-organize, get prepared to be a healthy opposition party, but all the whining's gotta go, buddy..... B6k, Whereas Nyanza political leaders are on the acceptance stage and are reviewing why they performed poorly in the just concluded elections and even going to an extent of giving recommendations or advice to the Nyanza electorate ,Omenga seems is still in the denial stage . www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Nyanza-leaders-blame-voters/-/1064/1729528/-/jg5wfpz/-/index.htmlNyanza leaders blame voters for Raila’s election loss and trouble Some leaders from Luo Nyanza have blamed voters from the region for the poll woes facing Prime Minister Raila Odinga. Siaya Governor Cornel Rasanga, Kisumu Deputy Governor Ruth Odinga and MPs Jakoyo Midiwo (Gem) and Gideon Ochanda (Bondo) on Sunday said there was general voter apathy in the region that gave their opponents undue advantage. They said failure of the voters to turn out in large numbers in the region, largely considered to be Mr Odinga’s stronghold, made him vulnerable in the contest as his rivals got full support from their turfs. The leaders, who were meeting voters publicly for the first time since the March 4 polls, were speaking in Rarieda at the funeral of Ms Selina Guda, mother of the proprietor of Nairobi’s Kosewe Hotel, Mr William Osewe. The funeral was also attended by Mr Odinga. The ball was set rolling by Ms Odinga when she blamed voters for selling their IDs just before the election. “Almost 50,000 votes were not cast in Kisumu alone because people sold their ID cards, and then women refused to vote,” she said. Took issue On his part, Mr Midiwo took issue with voters who registered to vote in Nairobi and other areas but travelled home just before election for fear of violence. “Why do you have to travel when the war was just about to begin and those votes were the weapons?” he posed. Mr Rasanga echoed the sentiments and asked the mourners to give birth to as many children as they can so as to have the numbers in future. However, Mr Odinga thanked the voters for turning out to vote. “You did well and I thank you for that, just know that the struggle is not over yet,” he said You must have missed several of my blogs on this otherwise you would not say I am in denial; I have actually blogged to the effect and even mentioned it in one of my columns that like all campaigns I have been involved in or know of, Cord campaign had issues and problems the coalition would have to address in a run-off or re-run. If you wait for me to articulate for you what those issues are here, you'll be waiting for a long time for there are certain matters not appropriate for blabbing in public suitable only for the eyes and ears of those who must hear and hopefully act on them. That doesn't include blaming the voters for as in business where the customer is right even when they're not, a voter is always right if you wish to place blame, look for the one looking for his or her vote. |
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 25, 2013 11:51:08 GMT 3
B6k, Whereas Nyanza political leaders are on the acceptance stage and are reviewing why they performed poorly in the just concluded elections and even going to an extent of giving recommendations or advice to the Nyanza electorate ,Omenga seems is still in the denial stage . www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Nyanza-leaders-blame-voters/-/1064/1729528/-/jg5wfpz/-/index.htmlNyanza leaders blame voters for Raila’s election loss and trouble Some leaders from Luo Nyanza have blamed voters from the region for the poll woes facing Prime Minister Raila Odinga. Siaya Governor Cornel Rasanga, Kisumu Deputy Governor Ruth Odinga and MPs Jakoyo Midiwo (Gem) and Gideon Ochanda (Bondo) on Sunday said there was general voter apathy in the region that gave their opponents undue advantage. They said failure of the voters to turn out in large numbers in the region, largely considered to be Mr Odinga’s stronghold, made him vulnerable in the contest as his rivals got full support from their turfs. The leaders, who were meeting voters publicly for the first time since the March 4 polls, were speaking in Rarieda at the funeral of Ms Selina Guda, mother of the proprietor of Nairobi’s Kosewe Hotel, Mr William Osewe. The funeral was also attended by Mr Odinga. The ball was set rolling by Ms Odinga when she blamed voters for selling their IDs just before the election. “Almost 50,000 votes were not cast in Kisumu alone because people sold their ID cards, and then women refused to vote,” she said. Took issue On his part, Mr Midiwo took issue with voters who registered to vote in Nairobi and other areas but travelled home just before election for fear of violence. “Why do you have to travel when the war was just about to begin and those votes were the weapons?” he posed. Mr Rasanga echoed the sentiments and asked the mourners to give birth to as many children as they can so as to have the numbers in future. However, Mr Odinga thanked the voters for turning out to vote. “You did well and I thank you for that, just know that the struggle is not over yet,” he said You must have missed several of my blogs on this otherwise you would not say I am in denial; I have actually blogged to the effect and even mentioned it in one of my columns that like all campaigns I have been involved in or know of, Cord campaign had issues and problems the coalition would have to address in a run-off or re-run. If you wait for me to articulate for you what those issues are here, you'll be waiting for a long time for there are certain matters not appropriate for blabbing in public suitable only for the eyes and ears of those who must hear and hopefully act on them. Omwenga , Not really , Have read and gone through your posts and what is written all over is Denial denial and more denial . Well its always good to prepare for any eventuality and none of your essays point to that. Even the outgoing Vice-President as you can see below is prepared . standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000080102&story_title=Jubilee,-CORD-leaders-visit-political-turfs
The VP disclosed there would be heightened activity within political circles as coalitions and political parties negotiate how to clinch various positions. “We are prepared for any eventuality and are strategising to emerge victorious,” added the VP.[/quote] That doesn't include blaming the voters for as in business where the customer is right even when they're not, a voter is always right if you wish to place blame, look for the one looking for his or her vote. [/quote] You are very wrong on this one . It reaches a time where Politicians in their capacity as leaders should enlighten the electorate on the consequences of their voting as we witnessed in 2002 where the opposition leaders learnt from their mistakes in 1992 and 1997 and united to defeat KANU . |
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Post by luokenyan on Mar 25, 2013 14:17:23 GMT 3
. Why wasn't the turn-out in Luo Nyanza as high as Mount Kenya? You people rigged the primaries, abused the peoples trust, then took their loyalty for granted. 10-15% said: Ka en mana kama to kara obedi, thoo. [If this is the so-called our government, leave me out of it. Been following this interesting debate and Omwenga is actually right although the heading is distasteful. Jakaswanga, Luo Nyanza had the second highest turnout in this election(actually you can call it a tie). The constituency with lowest turnout was Kisumu Central with 86% while Rangwe-in the "rebellious" Homa Bay Heartland-had a 96% turnout, the highest in the country. And 99.9% voted for Jakom. Will be back to respond some of the posters. |
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Post by podp on Mar 25, 2013 15:29:31 GMT 3
. Why wasn't the turn-out in Luo Nyanza as high as Mount Kenya? You people rigged the primaries, abused the peoples trust, then took their loyalty for granted. 10-15% said: Ka en mana kama to kara obedi, thoo. [If this is the so-called our government, leave me out of it. Been following this interesting debate and Omwenga is actually right although the heading is distasteful. Jakaswanga, Luo Nyanza had the second highest turnout in this election(actually you can call it a tie). The constituency with lowest turnout was Kisumu Central with 86% while Rangwe-in the "rebellious" Homa Bay Heartland-had a 96% turnout, the highest in the country. And 99.9% voted for Jakom. Will be back to respond some of the posters. kweli with leaders like this 'sirkal ingalikojolea watu wake' read on Nyanza leaders blame voters for Raila’s election loss and trouble The ball was set rolling by Ms Odinga when she blamed voters for selling their IDs just before the election. “Almost 50,000 votes were not cast in Kisumu alone because people sold their ID cards, and then women refused to vote,” she said. Took issue On his part, Mr Midiwo took issue with voters who registered to vote in Nairobi and other areas but travelled home just before election for fear of violence. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Nyanza-leaders-blame-voters/-/1064/1729528/-/jg5wfpz/-/index.html |
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Post by Omwenga on Mar 25, 2013 17:53:38 GMT 3
Omwenga , Not really , Have read and gone through your posts and what is written all over is Denial denial and more denial . Well its always good to prepare for any eventualityb and none of your essays point to that. Even the outgoing Vice-President as you can see below is prepared . standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000080102&story_title=Jubilee,-CORD-leaders-visit-political-turfs
The VP disclosed there would be heightened activity within political circles as coalitions and political parties negotiate how to clinch various positions. “We are prepared for any eventuality and are strategising to emerge victorious,” added the VP.That doesn't include blaming the voters for as in business where the customer is right even when they're not, a voter is always right if you wish to place blame, look for the one looking for his or her vote. You are very wrong on this one . It reaches a time where Politicians in their capacity as leaders should enlighten the electorate on the consequences of their voting as we witnessed in 2002 where the opposition leaders learnt from their mistakes in 1992 and 1997 and united to defeat KANU . Nowayhaha, You're mixing up issues and thus the reason you did not get what I said for if you did you would not have repeated what you have that I am in denial unless you're one of those who only believes in what they believe notwithstanding the truth or facts. I am talking about not being in denial as to whether Cord had text book elections, not being or not being in denial about the bogus results announced by the obviously compromised IEBC that Uhuru won when he, in fact, did not win or even come close, which is what you assume I was referring to when quoting Musyoka. There is nothing to be in denial about with respect to the bogus presidential results because the parties are in court so the Supreme Court can determine what the presidential poll outcome was, in fact. It's only thereafter one can be or not be in denial as the case may be relative to their take on the SC ruling. Only a fool cannot prepare cannot prepare for all potential outcomes of a contemplated event but I wouldn't go around publicly blabbing what those preps are other than as they relate to victory. That's not being in denial but being strategic. |
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