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Post by Omwenga on Mar 25, 2013 17:58:19 GMT 3
. Why wasn't the turn-out in Luo Nyanza as high as Mount Kenya? You people rigged the primaries, abused the peoples trust, then took their loyalty for granted. 10-15% said: Ka en mana kama to kara obedi, thoo. [If this is the so-called our government, leave me out of it. Been following this interesting debate and Omwenga is actually right although the heading is distasteful. Jakaswanga, Luo Nyanza had the second highest turnout in this election(actually you can call it a tie). The constituency with lowest turnout was Kisumu Central with 86% while Rangwe-in the "rebellious" Homa Bay Heartland-had a 96% turnout, the highest in the country. And 99.9% voted for Jakom. Will be back to respond some of the posters. Luokenyan, What is "distateful" about the title of this thread? |
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Post by jakaswanga on Mar 25, 2013 23:12:37 GMT 3
. Why wasn't the turn-out in Luo Nyanza as high as Mount Kenya? You people rigged the primaries, abused the peoples trust, then took their loyalty for granted. 10-15% said: Ka en mana kama to kara obedi, thoo. [If this is the so-called our government, leave me out of it. Been following this interesting debate and Omwenga is actually right although the heading is distasteful. Jakaswanga, Luo Nyanza had the second highest turnout in this election(actually you can call it a tie). The constituency with lowest turnout was Kisumu Central with 86% while Rangwe-in the "rebellious" Homa Bay Heartland-had a 96% turnout, the highest in the country. And 99.9% voted for Jakom. Will be back to respond some of the posters. Luokenyan, I worked from a turn-out of 85% with 99.9% margin for Raila as prezzo in Luo Nyanza. I also worked from a total informational saturation of Luoland before the election, be-crying the importance of the turn-out, that it should be 100%, eka gini di wayudi!Therefore any voter who did not vote, and can not be excused as either gone mad, dead sick, or real dead, must have another very powerful reason for his no-show ----described euphemistically as 'apathy'. Exploring the pathology of this apathy, I came up with what I qualify as limited boycott. Because given the knowledge of the do or die position of 'our' candidate, deliberate abstention must surely rank as wilful sabotage. But other hypotheses to explain the observed 'apathy' are always welcome. So we have not a school, but schools of thought. I will try a powerful computer which can handle the IEBC website, so that I look at their latest %s corrected, county by county turn-out in Nyanza. |
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Post by kmurungi on Mar 26, 2013 3:38:37 GMT 3
True, re-run election will be a rude shock to Ruto and Uhuru. Numbers won't lie central has 2,190,477 and kalenjins only 1.4 m these are not even 1/4 of Kenya registered voters. Wait and see That's a lot of votes Kmurungi, for one alliance, when you imagine that the same alliance would still get votes from other regions. What do you think? Methinks this is how Uhuruto managed it in the first round. Well as we can all agree, it is two provinces vs six. tell me how possible it is for Uhuru to get votes from other regions. unless he still own tools for rigging. |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 26, 2013 21:41:22 GMT 3
That's a lot of votes Kmurungi, for one alliance, when you imagine that the same alliance would still get votes from other regions. What do you think? Methinks this is how Uhuruto managed it in the first round. Well as we can all agree, it is two provinces vs six. tell me how possible it is for Uhuru to get votes from other regions. unless he still own tools for rigging. My friend, you must live in some very far country called Kusadikika. |
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Post by kamalet on Mar 27, 2013 9:02:11 GMT 3
That's a lot of votes Kmurungi, for one alliance, when you imagine that the same alliance would still get votes from other regions. What do you think? Methinks this is how Uhuruto managed it in the first round. Well as we can all agree, it is two provinces vs six. tell me how possible it is for Uhuru to get votes from other regions. unless he still own tools for rigging. Kiraitu Murungi You might want to know that Kenya has no provinces any more but counties. But we shall indulge you just this once! If i win two provinces with 4.5 million people and you win 5 provinces with 2.3 million, it is the votes that count rather than the provinces so yes I would still have beaten despite the provinces you claim to have. How electoral votes does California have against the Midwest states? Obama won with fewer states being it is the electoral votes that counted! Has this made it easy for you to comprehend how Raila lost? |
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Post by mank on Mar 27, 2013 16:34:07 GMT 3
Well as we can all agree, it is two provinces vs six. tell me how possible it is for Uhuru to get votes from other regions. unless he still own tools for rigging.
Kiraitu Murungi
You might want to know that Kenya has no provinces any more but counties. But we shall indulge you just this once! If i win two provinces with 4.5 million people and you win 5 provinces with 2.3 million, it is the votes that count rather than the provinces so yes I would still have beaten despite the provinces you claim to have.
How electoral votes does California have against the Midwest states? Obama won with fewer states being it is the electoral votes that counted!
Has this made it easy for you to comprehend how Raila lost?It's very basic really. That's why I thought KMurungi's two vs. six retort was meant as a joke that did not warrant a response. Perhaps it was not joke after all. There are those who hear "tyranny of numbers" and say, "it is what it is". Then there are others who hear the same and say "its so unacceptable!" |
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 27, 2013 18:47:50 GMT 3
Well as we can all agree, it is two provinces vs six. tell me how possible it is for Uhuru to get votes from other regions. unless he still own tools for rigging. Kiraitu Murungi You might want to know that Kenya has no provinces any more but counties. But we shall indulge you just this once! If i win two provinces with 4.5 million people and you win 5 provinces with 2.3 million, it is the votes that count rather than the provinces so yes I would still have beaten despite the provinces you claim to have. How electoral votes does California have against the Midwest states? Obama won with fewer states being it is the electoral votes that counted! Has this made it easy for you to comprehend how Raila lost? Kamale, I ve seen several time this lie being peddled around and in some instances being used as a basis to show that CORD was supported by Kenya and Jubilee by Central and Rift Valley alone , this left me wondering arent the 6.2 Million Kenyans who voted for UhuRuto Kenyans ? or are the 5.3 Million Kenyans who voted for Raila more Kenyans than the others. First things first after the elections an analysis was done based on official results released by IEBC . www.nation.co.ke/blob/view/-/1716922/data/474716/-/yj8depz/-/Summary.pdfHere is some raw data based on facts between Raila Vs UhuRuto Statistics . If provinces are used as the yardstick the following would explain the election results - UhuRuto won in 3 Provinces by a clear margin namely Province Total Votes Cast Uhuru % Raila %North Eastern 293,756 175,032 59.58 98,802 33.63 Central 2,017,689 1,895,075 93.92 84,010 4.16 R Valley 3,030,195 2,188,422 72.22 713,665 23.55 Raila won in 3 provinces with a clear Margin namely Province Total Votes Cast Uhuru % Raila %Nyanza 1,737,522 181,961 10.47 1,508,776 86.83 Western 1,214,285 66,185 5.45 755,525 62.22 Coast 866,051 158,083 18.25 691,386 79.83 The following 2 vote rich provinces were more or less shared Province Total Votes Cast Uhuru % Raila %Nairobi 1,410,663 659,490 46.75 691,156 49.00 Eastern 1,806,381 848,234 46.96 881,455 48.80 From the above figures you get where CORD strategists and its supporters erred. Where as they boasted of winning 6 provinces and which they did (give it to them ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D) they never factored in the 2 main aspects of the win one by the margin of votes and two the provinces where the win would matter . Jubilee did exactly that by killing 2 birds with one stone i.e. they targeted the 2 most populous provinces Central and Rift-valley and amassed 4,083,497 out 12,330,028 (33.11 %) of the total cast votes . In addition to that Jubilee made sure they zeroed CORD/ODM in the other 2 most populous Provinces namely Nairobi and Eastern .With a total of 3,217,044 cast votes in both provinces Jubilee managed to scoop 1,507,724 (12.24% Total votes Cast )to CORD/ODMs 1,572,611(12.75% of Total votes Cast ) and even if they lost in the 2 provinces according to CORD/ODM they only lost by a mere 64,887 . Hope the breakdown will assist Kiraitu Murungi to comprehend what happened . Infact from the analysis even if CORD/ODM was to be awarded Musalia votes plus the voter turnout in the 6 provinces they claim to have won projected as 99% and the new/additional votes were tallied to Raila , they still would have lost the election . Does this say something ? |
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 27, 2013 19:59:02 GMT 3
Omwenga , Not really , Have read and gone through your posts and what is written all over is Denial denial and more denial . Well its always good to prepare for any eventualityb and none of your essays point to that. Even the outgoing Vice-President as you can see below is prepared . standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000080102&story_title=Jubilee,-CORD-leaders-visit-political-turfs
The VP disclosed there would be heightened activity within political circles as coalitions and political parties negotiate how to clinch various positions. “We are prepared for any eventuality and are strategising to emerge victorious,” added the VP.That doesn't include blaming the voters for as in business where the customer is right even when they're not, a voter is always right if you wish to place blame, look for the one looking for his or her vote. You are very wrong on this one . It reaches a time where Politicians in their capacity as leaders should enlighten the electorate on the consequences of their voting as we witnessed in 2002 where the opposition leaders learnt from their mistakes in 1992 and 1997 and united to defeat KANU . Nowayhaha, You're mixing up issues and thus the reason you did not get what I said for if you did you would not have repeated what you have that I am in denial unless you're one of those who only believes in what they believe notwithstanding the truth or facts. I am talking about not being in denial as to whether Cord had text book elections, not being or not being in denial about the bogus results announced by the obviously compromised IEBC that Uhuru won when he, in fact, did not win or even come close, which is what you assume I was referring to when quoting Musyoka. There is nothing to be in denial about with respect to the bogus presidential results because the parties are in court so the Supreme Court can determine what the presidential poll outcome was, in fact. It's only thereafter one can be or not be in denial as the case may be relative to their take on the SC ruling. Only a fool cannot prepare cannot prepare for all potential outcomes of a contemplated event but I wouldn't go around publicly blabbing what those preps are other than as they relate to victory. That's not being in denial but being strategic. So this is what its called ? "Denial nowadays is being strategic" Omwenga with politics one does not strategies after an election and for that matter after losing an election not unless you are strategizing for 2017 elections -That would be fine . All you strategies as CORD/ODM for the Mar 04 elections either failed or were poorly done that they didnt materialize . Here are some the well known strategies you applied -Opinion Polls -Brainwash Kenyans using Opinion polls that Raila would win the elections but there would be a runnoff which he would clitch the presidency with --> As CORD/ODM was strategizing to win the election in round two Jubilee were strategizing to win it in Round one - You know the outcome -ICC propaganda- This repeated line backfired -The ruling by skype was a funny punchline but that was what it was all about. Even Using US ministers and UK ambassador never helped in swaying the electrorate. - Sangs-radio presenter paid endorsement of Raila - it had zilch influence to the R-Valley electorate . -Anti-Kikuyu sentiments - Like one of your last hate speech ladened essays stating that Kenyans are tired of being ruled by Kikuyu presidents. I could go on and on plenty they were but not effective . Now if using the court is one of the strategies you have in store to win an already concluded election held on Mar 04 and won by more than 800,000 votes with the President elect having been declared on Mar 09 I will only say this Jah Bless and lets meet on Saturday and as it has become of you I can bet 1000 Gs you will be on another episode of denial. As they say it here in mtaani CORD-CINEMA CONTINUES OOOOH!!!! Meanwhile Jubilee are in Naivasha strategizing how they are going to fulfill their promises . www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/-/1064/1732098/-/b0n67o/-/index.htmlPresident-elect Uhuru Kenyatta and his deputy William Ruto Wednesday told MPs from Jubilee coalition they will bank on their support to fulfill the ambitious promises made during campaigns. The two leaders, whose win is subject of a Supreme Court challenge, told the MPs-elect at the Great Rift Valley Lodge, that the coalition won the March 4 General Election. “The Jubilee government won majority Members of the National Assembly, majority Senators, majority county women representatives, and the majority county representatives, it is only logical that we won the presidency,” said Mr Ruto. “Be that as it may, we are law-abiding citizens, we have submitted ourselves to the court and are sure that truth, fairness and justice is going to prevail." Mr Ruto said the incoming government has the historic mandate of implementing the Constitution and transforming the country, especially, through devolution, as soon as their victory is confirmed by the courts. “We’re committed to changing the country for good so that the electorate can have faith for voting in leaders who have the country at heart,” said Mr Ruto. Mr Kenyatta said he was ready to work with the MPs-elect as soon as the Supreme Court does its job. “I look forward to working with you as a disciplined executive working with a disciplined parliament,” said Mr Kenyatta. “When you see us going wrong, call us, let’s talk. When we see you going wrong, we’ll tell you, listen to us. I look forward to listen to you once some six people decide. What(ever) they’ll decide we’re ready. We hope that you are ready," said Mr Kenyatta. Stick together Mr Kenyatta asked the MPs who served in the last Parliament and were re-elected to raise their hands. He then told the new MPs that they should stick together and implement what they promised, if they expect to be re-elected in the next polls. “The bulk of us went home in the last elections because they forgot to deliver the promises to the people. When we campaigned, we campaigned as a team. We won. After three months, you start hearing a new vocabulary of “this is how I did it” or “I am here because of what I did”…we are a team, we must remain united,” said Mr Kenyatta. “If we were to be true students of history, the “we” that you went to the people with, remains the “we” that we shall focus the next five years together. Nobody is going to do that alone, together we’ll do it. Let’s cure that illness,” said Mr Kenyatta. The President-elect said the MPs should not be pre-occupied with making headlines in newspapers and in the media. “Do not focus on the antics. Surely Kenyans are not going to live from the headlines. What they will benefit from is our words. We will benefit from you in Parliament. Let’s talk. If we are available, nduru ya nini. Let the nature of politics be delivery on pledges and promises,” the President-elect told the 221 MPs. |
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Post by Omwenga on Mar 28, 2013 1:05:21 GMT 3
Nowayhaha, You're mixing up issues and thus the reason you did not get what I said for if you did you would not have repeated what you have that I am in denial unless you're one of those who only believes in what they believe notwithstanding the truth or facts. I am talking about not being in denial as to whether Cord had text book elections, not being or not being in denial about the bogus results announced by the obviously compromised IEBC that Uhuru won when he, in fact, did not win or even come close, which is what you assume I was referring to when quoting Musyoka. There is nothing to be in denial about with respect to the bogus presidential results because the parties are in court so the Supreme Court can determine what the presidential poll outcome was, in fact. It's only thereafter one can be or not be in denial as the case may be relative to their take on the SC ruling. Only a fool cannot prepare cannot prepare for all potential outcomes of a contemplated event but I wouldn't go around publicly blabbing what those preps are other than as they relate to victory. That's not being in denial but being strategic. So this is what its called ? "Denial nowadays is being strategic" Omwenga with politics one does not strategies after an election and for that matter after losing an election not unless you are strategizing for 2017 elections -That would be fine. I am not strategizing for 2017 as we are still dealing with 2013. You and other wishful thinkers may think or hope this is over but the rest of us know we have only just started in pushing back and making sure those responsible for the assault on democracy that took place before and right after March 4, 2013 are held responsible. It's, of course a foregone conclusion, especially after today's excellent oral and non-rebuttable argument by petitioners' counsels, that the Supreme Court will nullify the bogus results announced by the obviously compromised IEBC that Uhuru won when he, in fact, did not win or even come close. False. Uhuru and Ruto shamelessly whipped up tribalism to a frenzy using their ICC inductee status but even then they fell short because there were just not enough of those votes to have them elected so they resorted to daylight theft. Sang's powerful testimony had an impact but was negated by the theft the massive rigging the Supreme Court will on Saturday confirm happened and nullify the bogus results announced by the obviously compromised IEBC that Uhuru won when he, in fact, did not or even come close. My column which many progressive Kikuyus agree with has nothing to do with hate speech neither does it have anything to do with "anti-Kikuyu sentiment " and that's a fact neither you nor anyone else can change. You can go on and on but, as you can see, none of what you have been imagining stands to scrutiny. Going to court to correct an arrogant, flagrant and reckless injustice as has been visited upon our country courtesy of the obviously compromised and incompetent IEBC is not a strategy but a dictate no one on the side of the people and democracy cannot not do and it'll be equally reckless and undemocratic not to; it's a good thing Raila and Cord chose to do the right thing as they have. And soon they will make a movie about some mandarins who never learned anything from PEV 2007/08. |
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Post by nok on Mar 28, 2013 2:20:31 GMT 3
Omwengaas a legitimate Kalenjin , maybe one of the few here, i feel insulted by the heading and contents of your essay and in extensio of the thread as a whole. Perfect example of revised tribalism..understandable when gyri tentorial not territorial activation in a r e a > larger 19 is activated.. all theory no factum and so you sound like a dejected plan of the outdoors.. if you may understand my wording ! no pun intended !
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Post by Omwenga on Mar 28, 2013 3:11:28 GMT 3
Omwengaas a legitimate Kalenjin , maybe one of the few here, i feel insulted by the heading and contents of your essay and in extensio of the thread as a whole. Perfect example of revised tribalism..understable when gyri tentorial not territorial activition in a r e a > larger 19 is activated.. all theory no factum and so you sound like a dejected plan of the outdoors.. if you may understand my wording ! no pun intended Nok, Ants get offended when being rained on believing someone is peeing on them. Someday they'll find out that's not the case. |
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Post by nok on Mar 28, 2013 3:21:14 GMT 3
Omwengaas a legitimate Kalenjin , maybe one of the few here, i feel insulted by the heading and contents of your essay and in extensio of the thread as a whole. Perfect example of revised tribalism..understandable when gyri tentorial not territorial activation in a r e a > larger 19 is activated.. all theory no factum and so you sound like a dejected plan of the outdoors.. if you may understand my wording ! no pun intended Nok, Ants get offended when being rained on believing someone is peeing on them. Someday they'll find out that's not the case. Just 4 you my learned friend, i was on the ground in very hostile conditions fighting, for the same course and here you are lashing out at me with such bloated arrogance not having a clue whether am an ant or the one peeing on you . Think first before you go on a rampage. Good advice; take it or leave it. It's advisors like you who make some of us think of a Swahili saying that goes " Kikulacho ki nguoni mwako " |
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Post by Omwenga on Mar 28, 2013 3:54:21 GMT 3
Nok, Ants get offended when being rained on believing someone is peeing on them. Someday they'll find out that's not the case. Just 4 your my learned friend i was on the ground in very hostile conditions fighting for the same course and here you are lashing out at with with such bloated arrogance not having a clue whether am an ant or the one peeing on you . Think first before you go on a rampage. Good advice take it or leave it. It's advisors like you who make some of us think of a Swahili saying that goes " Kikulacho ki nguoni mwako " Nok, There is nothing I said in response to you that would lead hou to lash out in the manner you have neither is there any arrogance in the response whatsoever, let alone a bloated one. All I said to put it differently, is you're mistaken about the title of this thread and the message in the column you'll some day find that out. To add to that, I can tell you I, too, was on the ground fighting for the cause and plan to return to conclude the mission of making sure a people's choice is elected and sworn as our next president. Needless to say, there are other Kales who don't share your view of this and I know that because I have several friends who are as Kale as they come and we actually talked about this post after it was published in the Star. In sum, you're both wrong and mistaken. |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 28, 2013 6:45:04 GMT 3
Nok, Ants get offended when being rained on believing someone is peeing on them. Someday they'll find out that's not the case. Just 4 you my learned friend, i was on the ground in very hostile conditions fighting, for the same course and here you are lashing out at me with such bloated arrogance not having a clue whether am an ant or the one peeing on you . Think first before you go on a rampage. Good advice; take it or leave it. It's advisors like you who make some of us think of a Swahili saying that goes " Kikulacho ki nguoni mwako " You may want to read our resident lawyer's history with Kenyan politicians especially desperate ones like the one he is keeping company at the moment. |
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Post by nok on Mar 28, 2013 11:26:40 GMT 3
OmwengaFood for thought; if a run-off or a re-run is declared be SC What would you tell Kalenjins who have voted twice or maybe thrice for Raila Odinga. Am sure telling them "Raila doesn't need you to win" is a brilliant strategy.And with this i will end this friendly fire because indeed although friendly it remains fire. Go figure out !
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Post by Omwenga on Mar 28, 2013 14:04:39 GMT 3
OmwengaFood for thought; if a run-off or a re-run is declared be SC What would you tell Kalenjins who have voted twice or maybe thrice for Raila Odinga. Am sure telling them "Raila doesn't need you to win" is a brilliant strategy.And with this i will end this friendly fire because indeed although friendly it remains fire. Go figure out ! Nok, You need to take time and read or re-read my original piece on tbis and subsequent posts and then you'll surprise yourself I did not and neither would I say Raila does not need the Kale vote; that will be a dumb thing to say and I am neither dumb nor do I sah dumb things in print. Saying Raila can win without the Kale vote within the meaning of what I say that means is a totally different thing as you will agree after carefully reading what I have written about this. |
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