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Post by Luol Deng on Jun 27, 2011 15:36:41 GMT 3
Questions 1. Does Kabogo own a black Mercedes Benz?
2. Mercy was seen by eye witnesses walking away with Kabogo's bodyguards?
3. What was the arguments about? since it was in-front of many eye witnesses at the party?
4. whose house was the party held in? were they questioned
5. the Mercy must have had a cell phone on her? what was her last call and from where? GPS can locate the exact area she made her last call from and who she was trying to call- where are the phone companies when they are needed? I guess the murderers threw her cellphone away, but the phone companies can still release records on calls made before she diedMercy must have gone to the party with friends! what become of them? and was their any communications reported between them? It is odd that no friends have come up to talk to the police? normally students go to a party in a group or with friends, that invite each other? something doesn't add up. If indeed MP Kabogo was involved with Mercy's murder then he will be caught no question about it body guards take orders from their bosses mafia style, trust me those guards will talk when the rope tightens around their necks, if they were given the order to Kill Mercy and damp her body on waiyaki way the truth will come out. Did the autopsy say what happened to her? how was she killed? was she raped, strangled or shot dead? since she was already dead when they damped her body? the information from the police is not forth coming? Timeline, It has not been described as a 'black' benz, it is a 'dark' benz. But as for your question 1. Kabogo owns multiple Mercedes Benz as well as other big name brands. I am quite sure that he owns a black benz. At the moment we are dealing with 3 possible arguments. 1 She was drunk and disorderly (unlikely, claim made by one person) 2 She refused to take alcohol (likely, but it is barely a reason for getting killed) 3 She refused to deal drugs (likely reason to be killed, not enough numbers to corroborate) I know the MP in question in a lot more detail, he is of the school of thought that his money & power can buy the services/affection of any woman. This wouldn't be the first such story I am hearing. He has had his way on many occasions & death was not involved, the impunity in our country is getting out of hand. A college girl killed, a cop investigating Mwau's car dies under mysterious circumstances, etc. There is nothing that our 'mboys' have done that inspires confidence vetting or no vetting
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Post by destiny on Jun 27, 2011 15:40:42 GMT 3
Green Mercedes Benz Reg KBM 400H.Note: Curious idlers allowed to contaminate evidence, no gloves on cops, No blocking off the reg number, no crime scene tape.. no nothing!!.. Where do they get these Juha Kalulu "cops"?
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Post by adongo23456 on Jun 27, 2011 15:44:35 GMT 3
Questions 1. Does Kabogo own a black Mercedes Benz?
2. Mercy was seen by eye witnesses walking away with Kabogo's bodyguards?
3. What was the arguments about? since it was in-front of many eye witnesses at the party?
4. whose house was the party held in? were they questioned
5. the Mercy must have had a cell phone on her? what was her last call and from where? GPS can locate the exact area she made her last call from and who she was trying to call- where are the phone companies when they are needed? I guess the murderers threw her cellphone away, but the phone companies can still release records on calls made before she diedMercy must have gone to the party with friends! what become of them? and was their any communications reported between them? It is odd that no friends have come up to talk to the police? normally students go to a party in a group or with friends, that invite each other? something doesn't add up. If indeed MP Kabogo was involved with Mercy's murder then he will be caught no question about it body guards take orders from their bosses mafia style, trust me those guards will talk when the rope tightens around their necks, if they were given the order to Kill Mercy and damp her body on waiyaki way the truth will come out. Did the autopsy say what happened to her? how was she killed? was she raped, strangled or shot dead? since she was already dead when they damped her body? the information from the police is not forth coming? Timeline, It has not been described as a 'black' benz, it is a 'dark' benz. But as for your question 1. Kabogo owns multiple Mercedes Benz as well as other big name brands. I am quite sure that he owns a black benz. At the moment we are dealing with 3 possible arguments. 1 She was drunk and disorderly (unlikely, claim made by one person) 2 She refused to take alcohol (likely, but it is barely a reason for getting killed) 3 She refused to deal drugs (likely reason to be killed, not enough numbers to corroborate) I know the MP in question in a lot more detail, he is of the school of thought that his money & power can buy the services/affection of any woman. This wouldn't be the first such story I am hearing. He has had his way on many occasions & death was not involved, the impunity in our country is getting out of hand. A college girl killed, a cop investigating Mwau's car dies under mysterious circumstances, etc. There is nothing that our 'mboys' have done that inspires confidence vetting or no vetting luol, well put. You forgot to mention that the same dead cop investigating the Mwau staged shooting was also investigating some Kshs 4.2 billion cocaine case. That kind of thing will get you dead in a hurry. Tobiko must be a very busy man. Talk about vetting! And did anyone notice how furious the cops were in declaring that Mwau was completely innocent about drag deals and that the dossier from the US was all false. Just crazy. Where is the Narc activist these days? Just wondering!
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Post by Luol Deng on Jun 27, 2011 15:55:36 GMT 3
Green Mercedes Benz Reg KBM 400H.Note: Curious idlers allowed to contaminate evidence, no gloves on cops, No blocking off the reg number, no crime scene tape.. no nothing!!.. Where do they get these Juha Kalulu "cops"? That wouldn't be the first time they screw up evidence, how many times have they handled firearms recovered from robbers with their bare hands. Despite the glaring inconsistencies in the versions of the stories in the various newspapers, this thing is going to be bungled....
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Post by federa on Jun 27, 2011 16:49:23 GMT 3
There is only one thing we can be sure of about this 'murder most foul'- we will never get to know the truth about what happened. If the Kenya police solve this case, I will eat my head. So I think the only thing we can do is speculate and spin theories. People like Jane asking jukwaaists to wait until 'the full picture emerges and details are given' either know nothing about the Kenya police or are simply uncomfortable with the fact that an MP from central Kenya is at the heart of the whole sad saga. Seriously my dear Jane, do you honestly believe the full picture will emerge and details will be given as you claim?
Then we as Kenyans must also take a long and hard look at our behaviour at the ballot box. How is it that we are time and again electing people whose thuggish and criminal backgrounds are well known? Is it possible that we infact admire the lifestyles of these known gangsters? Can't it be of help if we expressed our disgust with these kind of people by soundly rejecting them every time they try to present themselves for elective office? It's depressing the number of dubious characters prowling our parliament grounds courtesy of us, the voters.
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Post by kamalet on Jun 27, 2011 17:01:22 GMT 3
daft and dafter! How this is reduced to a kikuyu/kalenjin spat defies any logical thinking and is dowright daft! Why do people like making things up all the time? I see nothing about an alleged kikuyu/kalenjin "spat" whatever that is. Nobody suggested that. It is just some thug M.P doing what he does best. Screwing things up and folk getting killed in the process. What else do we expect from such people? They are doing the only thing they know how to do. The case will go nowhere. People need money and they will get it. Case closed. Same old. The murder of this Kalenjin woman on the orders of some thuggish Kikuyu M.P is not going to help the scarred relationship between the two communities that is for sure. Kabogo may be pissing off even people who he could count on prior to this heinous killing. AdongoAre you actually suggesting you did not see what your co-moderator wrote? Did you not see her suggest it was a Kalenjin woman killed by a kikuyu? Did she not think that this incident will not help the "scarred relationship between the two communities"? .....or in the alternative, this did not get written and I am dreaming it all!
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Post by adongo23456 on Jun 27, 2011 17:13:24 GMT 3
Why do people like making things up all the time? I see nothing about an alleged kikuyu/kalenjin "spat" whatever that is. Nobody suggested that. It is just some thug M.P doing what he does best. Screwing things up and folk getting killed in the process. What else do we expect from such people? They are doing the only thing they know how to do. The case will go nowhere. People need money and they will get it. Case closed. Same old. The murder of this Kalenjin woman on the orders of some thuggish Kikuyu M.P is not going to help the scarred relationship between the two communities that is for sure. Kabogo may be pissing off even people who he could count on prior to this heinous killing. AdongoAre you actually suggesting you did not see what your co-moderator wrote? Did you not see her suggest it was a Kalenjin woman killed by a kikuyu? Did she not think that this incident will not help the "scarred relationship between the two communities"? .....or in the alternative, this did not get written and I am dreaming it all! Kamale,Lets not waste time with irrelevancies. We have criminals in high places we know that. That woman did not deserve to be killed like that. It is just wrong. I was amused to see cops walking around the famous "dark benz" with big guns as if the car was about to run away. Our country must have the absolute worst police force in the world. It is sad just looking at them. Whoever put the cops under the ofice of the president killed our country in so many ways. That too will change. The work is ON.
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Post by kamalet on Jun 27, 2011 17:40:50 GMT 3
AdongoAre you actually suggesting you did not see what your co-moderator wrote? Did you not see her suggest it was a Kalenjin woman killed by a kikuyu? Did she not think that this incident will not help the "scarred relationship between the two communities"? .....or in the alternative, this did not get written and I am dreaming it all! Kamale,Lets not waste time with irrelevancies. We have criminals in high places we know that. That woman did not deserve to be killed like that. It is just wrong. I was amused to see cops walking around the famous "dark benz" with big guns as if the car was about to run away. Our country must have the absolute worst police force in the world. It is sad just looking at them. Whoever put the cops under the ofice of the president killed our country in so many ways. That too will change. The work is ON. Adongo I notice they are irrelevancies now. But you accused me of making up things.....!! Make up your mind what you want to accuse me of!
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Post by jakaswanga on Jun 27, 2011 19:43:12 GMT 3
From the standard: quote. Ms Keino who was buried on Friday was pursuing a Masters Degree at University of Nairobi’s School of Journalism and was engaged to her fiancÈ Ronny Kemboi who works with Kenya Revenue Authority. They planned to wed in December.
This is too much of a hurried burrial. This issue calls for a hoarde of forensic tests which could not have been concluded in the timespan! For instance: retrieving the stomach contents of a body run-over several times by several vehicles, and subjecting them to analysis to ascertain the time of death!
But to be honest, the Kenya police and a scientific investigation are parallel lines. This likely murder-most-foul, joins the rest we know of. Or does Mutunga have other ideas?
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Post by mangai on Jun 27, 2011 19:43:52 GMT 3
The murder of this Kalenjin woman on the orders of some thuggish Kikuyu M.P is not going to help the scarred relationship between the two communities that is for sure. Kabogo may be pissing off even people who he could count on prior to this heinous killing. Not far fetched though crazy and absurd it might sound! In early 2008 a traffic policeman shot and killed the then Ainamoi MP who was in the company of a woman, also killed. Immediately thereafter, members of the Kalenjin community attacked Kisiis with abandon from Borabu border to Cherangany in Kitale. Reason, they were avenging the death of their mp who had been killed by a policeman, a Kisii! It was to turn out later that the three were in a love triangle.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2011 21:22:45 GMT 3
The murder of this Kalenjin woman on the orders of some thuggish Kikuyu M.P is not going to help the scarred relationship between the two communities that is for sure. Kabogo may be pissing off even people who he could count on prior to this heinous killing. This sounds pretty desperate. Are you guys at this point in your search for votes? cheshirecat, No vote hunt here. A woman was brutally murdered right after she'd had a heated argument with a known gangster who is known to have a proclivity to have people eliminated. Furthermore, big shot with whom she had the argument and who had her "escorted" out of that party is an MP. An honorable member that is! Had he been an ordinary Kikuyu guy it would be different. Common sense tells me that this will inflame emotions on the Kalenjin front. Keeping the impending election in close sight the Kikuyu politicians will not be happy with this either; messing up of their efforts to court the Kalenjin "block vote".
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Post by jane on Jun 27, 2011 21:34:14 GMT 3
Are you suggesting that the student was killed because she was a Kalenjin?
You may be happy that the killing will, in your words, messing up of the Kikuyus efforts to court the Kalenjins.
But, I think your trajectory is misplaced.
This is a murder committed because the killer thought he could get away with it, it did not matter his victim was a Kalenjin. She could equally be a Luo, or any other tribe. Then what? Shall we they conclude the alliance between Raila and some Kikuyus or others would have been dead in the water? I doubt if that line of reasoning holds any substance.
If your intention is to flare up hostility, between the Kikuyus and Kalenjin, I think you have chosen a poor time, and importantly, a poor incident.
As I said earlier, civility and decorum dictates that we wait for the full picture to develop before analysing the situation.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Jun 27, 2011 21:50:11 GMT 3
With the current mafiya wa mt kenya in power and in control of the security branch, the prosecutorial branch via a lackey thobiko, the MP from mt Kenya region will likely not pay for his crimes. He has a lot of drug money and like Sonko - an escaped convict, he will go scot free. Take that to the bank.
Now the Kalenjins will see it as yet another example of hubris, arrogance and contempt from the mafiya wa mt kenya, and for sure it will have political consequences.
Already the Kalenjins have ordered ruto to severe ties to muthamaki, unless muthamaki plays second fiddle to ruto. This murder just makes a bad case worse and jeopardizes the so called kei kei alliance.
If this was a murder in the rural area and the two tribes were adjacent to each other, things would be very ugly.
I just hope for once that the inept corrupt iteere/gichangi forces do the right thing. They already know who was culpable. All they need to do is arraign him in court. There are witnesses!, motive and opportunity was there!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2011 21:57:26 GMT 3
Are you suggesting that the student was killed because she was a Kalenjin? You may be happy that the killing will, in your words, messing up of the Kikuyus efforts to court the Kalenjins. But, I think your trajectory is misplaced. This is a murder committed because the killer thought he could get away with it, it did not matter his victim was a Kalenjin. She could equally be a Luo, or any other tribe. Then what? Shall we they conclude the alliance between Raila and some Kikuyus or others would have been dead in the water? I doubt if that line of reasoning holds any substance. If your intention is to flare up hostility, between the Kikuyus and Kalenjin, I think you have chosen a poor time, and importantly, a poor incident. As I said earlier, civility and decorum dictates that we wait for the full picture to develop before analysing the situation. jane,For one thing, we are waiting for that clearer picture that may or may not emerge given the track record of our police force. Then of cause there are the shenanigans of the pushers. It is not I who'd "flare up hostility" between the two communities, but rather the actions of the majesty types. Indeed, it could very well have been a woman from any other Kenyan community, but it wasn't. Was it now? Everybody knows that symbolism counts you know. Like I said, one thing we all know for sure so far is that a young woman got "lippy" with a big shot at a party and ended up dead just hours later. Go figure.
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Post by gachquota on Jun 27, 2011 22:13:17 GMT 3
There is alot to this case lets follow it closely ma pple .Right now am not jumping to any conclusion.
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Post by adongo23456 on Jun 27, 2011 23:22:27 GMT 3
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Post by mzee on Jun 28, 2011 0:07:39 GMT 3
Adongo, At the end of the day, its not the rioting that will bring the culprits to justice but some good police investigation. As things stand, our corrupt, incompetent and confused police are just joking around and telling all manner of stories about the murder before doing a proper investigation. Rest assured that just like in the case of Dr. Mbai, Oulu, Ouko, JM etc, people will questioned but none will be brought to book.
Just remember, that this is a police force that has never arrested and brought to book ANY PEV culprit. The only thing our utumushi kwa wote are good at is soliciting bribes and arresting changaa`brewers.
So the students may riot until kingdom come but nothing is due to happen.
Its for this reason that we need police reforms ASAP and the ongoing police vetting of other police is the worst idea I have heard in a long time.
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Post by enigma on Jun 28, 2011 2:06:20 GMT 3
This case is dead in the water. Read this: www.nation.co.ke/News/Motorist+in+girls+death+mystery+gives+himself+up+/-/1056/1190274/-/13sg89j/-/index.htmlA cloud of suspicion will hang onto Kabogo for a while, thats all. Once CID take over, the case is done. Kwisha. The mysterious manner in which it was snatched from police means that money has been poured. This is because Police can be compelled to to show OB numbers and statements and with the current vetting, no officer would want to be seen to be hiding anything. At CID though, they could even doctor a statement. Okelo is going to be induced with money and coached. If he doesnt cooperate......God knows what the masters of impunity will do. The question though is why it took Okelo 10 days to show up at the police station, why re changed the colour of his vehicle, knowing that it had been implicated.
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Post by enigma on Jun 28, 2011 2:31:41 GMT 3
Kabogo's version of events: www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000038006&cid=4&ttl=Kabogo's account of dead girl's final hours Adds to the questions. Who is threatening witnesses? Why are there no names in this story apart from Kabogo's? Has the reporter been threatened? We know the flamboyant ones and their connections to Nakumatt, the drug trade and police so its no surprise that the shoddy CID have hijacked the matter.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Jun 28, 2011 2:40:32 GMT 3
A cloud of suspicion will hang onto Kabogo for a while, thats all. Once CID take over, the case is done. Kwisha.d knows what the masters of impunity will do. . No one trusts gichangi and CID. They will protect their masters and their own. Look for kabogo to scrape thro'
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Post by gachquota on Jun 29, 2011 0:05:34 GMT 3
Looks like the police are doing abetter job on this case by kesho will have more info.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2011 0:08:23 GMT 3
Kabogo wants to gag media, Standard tells CourtUpdated 2 hr(s) 10 min(s) ago Related Stories
By Judy Ogutu
The Standard Group claims Juja MP William Kabogo is trying to gag its journalists from reporting matters of national interest.
The Group’s advocate, Manjit Billing, on Tuesday told Justice Kalpana Rawal that the MP was trying to do so in his application for an injunction against the media house. He urged the court not to grant the injunction.
"The plaintiff by trying to get an injunction is trying to muzzle the right of reporters in reporting matters of national interest," he argued.
Billing was responding to an application by the MP seeking to block the media firm from broadcasting or publishing defamatory words against him in relation to violent crimes and drug trafficking.
Kabogo has sued KTN News Anchor Anne Kiguta, senior reporters Dennis Onsarigo and Mohammed Ali as well as cartoonist Paul Kelemba of the popular Madd Madd World.
Extension of order
According to him, by innuendo, the alleged defamatory words are meant and understood to mean that he is a "mobster, murderer, violent person, corrupt person and unfit to hold office of MP".
On Tuesday, Kabogo’s advocate Nelson Havi told the judge the publications had already caused him irreparable injuries and if not restrained, the group may in future publish information "of this kind".
"As much as the issue of drug trafficking is of public concern, they need to make fair and accurate report that does not discredit the character of the plaintiff," Havi said.
In response, Billing said: "Whether he is a prominent businessman is a question of fact. There is not a single statement from any businessman distancing themselves from the plaintiff."
The judge yesterday extended the interim injunction blocking the Standard Group from publishing and broadcasting defamatory articles against the Juja MP.
Ruling will be delivered on September 8.
www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000038054&cid=4&
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2011 0:11:50 GMT 3
Tobiko acts on university student's death
Updated 1 hr(s) 18 min(s) ago Related Stories
By Cyrus Ombati
The Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) Keriako Tobiko has directed Commissioner of Police Mathew Iteere to constitute a team of investigators to probe the death of student Mercy Chepkosgei Keino and forward findings to him within seven days.
Officials at Tobiko’s office said the team should investigate the circumstances surrounding the death of Keino.
The luxury homes in Westlands, Nairobi, where Mercy Keino allegedly stormed out before she died in controversial circumstances on the night of June 17.
The student died in mysterious circumstances after attending a party hosted by a prominent lawyer who also faces criminal charges in the High Court.
Two senior counsels shall assist the investigating team. After the findings, the DPP will determine the kind of charges to prefer against those deemed responsible.
Police said on Tuesday they are waiting for further tests to tell what caused the death. "We are waiting for results from the Government Chemist on the samples from her body," said a senior officer aware of the investigations.
The samples were collected after some family members expressed fears Ms Keino may have been raped before her death.
Other insiders said charges, including criminal negligence, might be preferred on ‘some people’ if and when evidence is found to support that.
On Tuesday, Iteere said they are almost through with investigations. He said police had recorded statements from all those who were present at the party and would forward the file to the DPP in due course.
Iteere said more witnesses are still coming forward.
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"The versions by all those who were present seem to tally and we could close the file soon before we forward it to the DPP. We want anyone who has a different account to come out and tell us," said the police boss.
Among those who have been grilled is the man who is said to have hosted the party, guards at the apartment and other revellers. The man is the son of an owner of popular supermarket chain.
He was questioned at the Parklands, Nairobi, Police Station on Monday evening. Juja MP William Kabogo has also recorded a statement.
On Tuesday, detectives from the Scenes of Crimes at Criminal Investigation Department dusted the Mercedes Benz that has been linked to the death as part of their investigations.
The owner of the car, Mr Wycliffe Lugwiri Okelo, was released on police bond.
"There are forensic issues on the car that need to be addressed and that is why it has been detained. We need two or more days to finish that one," said Director of CID, Ndegwa Muhoro.
Okello admitted he saw Keino’s body at the scene and slowed down to look before speeding off about 3am.
Witnesses had told police they saw a dark car drop a body at the scene and gave out its registration numbers.
Detectives handling the case said the car seemed to have been sprayed with a fresh coat of paint, which to them could have a link to the incident, a claim Okelo denied.
Muhoro said detectives want to establish when and where the car was painted .
Keino was found dead after the night of Friday June 17 hours after she was allegedly evicted from a party at an apartment in Westlands, Nairobi.
www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000038055&cid=4&ttl=Tobiko%20acts%20on%20university%20student's%20death
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Jun 29, 2011 0:12:57 GMT 3
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