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Post by emali on Apr 18, 2012 20:05:48 GMT 3
I wonder why some guys would want to trivialise this grave matter instead of treating it with the seriousness that it deserves. For one, Imanyara is not the type of guy that can 'cook' such stories. If you are doubting the extent to which the Govt is protecting Uhuru's kingship ask yourself why they had to cancel the planned rival Limuru meeting whose agenda was to offer alternative voice to Uhuru's. Martha Karua and others have been warned of dire consequences before if they don't toe Uhuru's line. It only leaves one wondering what these cabals of this table banging Uhuru could do were he to become president, bringing memories of Jomo's reign as president. That is why I had said elsewhere that we need to be afraid, VERY afraid. Very well put...Uhuru has steadily deteriorated in the last five years or so to the point he is unrecognizable from 2002...his support mirrors the man himself...
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 18, 2012 21:07:59 GMT 3
Wololo yaye! The muthamaki has gone overboard. Just last week he was questioned in connection with a plot to murder Raila now he is in another plot to finish Imanyara. What can this fellow born with a silver spoon in his mouth not do??? This is what I had posted in another thread -The Midiwos murder plot. I'm watching Parliament and MP Imanyara just told how he was held at gunpoint yesterday evening and asked to pledge support to one of the presidential candidates. This explains a lot. How many other leaders have been coerced to support this candidate? How many have been threatened? This desperation is getting out of hand. Details to follow.... Topnotch , What is the relation of Imanyara's alleged night ordeal with Midiwos murder plot / This is clearly either the work of hooligans who have no association with the DPM or a political ploy by Imanyara to have the cancelled Limuru 2Bmeeting proceed as scheduled . If you recall months ago when Tuju went to Kondele and he was pelted with stones NCIC condemned the people of Kisumu and not Raila . jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=6073&page=1
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Post by job on Apr 19, 2012 1:11:50 GMT 3
I wonder why some guys would want to trivialise this grave matter instead of treating it with the seriousness that it deserves. For one, Imanyara is not the type of guy that can 'cook' such stories. If you are doubting the extent to which the Govt is protecting Uhuru's kingship ask yourself why they had to cancel the planned rival Limuru meeting whose agenda was to offer alternative voice to Uhuru's. Martha Karua and others have been warned of dire consequences before if they don't toe Uhuru's line. It only leaves one wondering what these cabals of this table banging Uhuru could do were he to become president, bringing memories of Jomo's reign as president. That is why I had said elsewhere that we need to be afraid, VERY afraid. Very well put...Uhuru has steadily deteriorated in the last five years or so to the point he is unrecognizable from 2002...his support mirrors the man himself... Uhuru's steady metamorphosis already landed him behind the ICC dock. He doesn't seem to have learnt - too drunk with impunity and hubris! Abraham Lincoln once said: "Nearly all men can stand the test of adversity, but if you really want to test a man's character, give him power." -- Abraham Lincoln As Deputy Prime Minister, Uhuru is already crushing his own kin who don't toe his line. What if?
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Post by johns on Apr 19, 2012 2:49:06 GMT 3
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Post by job on Apr 19, 2012 6:18:45 GMT 3
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Post by mank on Apr 19, 2012 6:26:09 GMT 3
These people may think it is just election politics but they are forgetting too soon how easily their gimmicks get out of hand. Someone has a game to win with these threats, whether real or made up, but at the end something very dangerous could be inspired by what's painting the news and discussions at social forums.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2012 6:58:48 GMT 3
Death In The Air by: Mugambi KiaiIt was quite a bombshell that joint chief whip Jakoyo Midiwo dropped over the Easter weekend with his public claims that a plan was afoot to assassinate Prime Minister Raila Odinga. The National Cohesion and Integration Commission then reportedly publicly urged caution against making sensational statements that would inflame tension within the country.
About the same time Ngunjiri Wambugu reported in his weekly column in the Star newspapers of “rumors of plans” among those attending the GEMA Cultural Association (GCA) meetings to “ostensibly kweheria migua” (remove thorns). GEMA – the Gikuyu Embu Meru Association – has recently publicly endorsed Uhuru Kenyatta as its presidential candidate and Ngunjiri’s information was in relation to those, like himself, who are from the GEMA communities but are perceived to be against Uhuru’s bid for the presidency.
Ngunjiri related these “rumours” to the 1970s rhetoric that reportedly circulated before the assassination of JM Kariuki speaking of “kumunya githuki kimurangoini gitindaga gigutega” (uprooting a stake that is at one’s doorstep and that keeps tripping one).
Two issues then: should we be publicly reporting unverified, unsubstantiated and “inflammatory” “rumors”? Second, is there not cause for legitimate concern given the historical record of assassinations in post-independent Kenya?
The first one is pretty easy to dispose of: it is incumbent on any citizen not to recklessly shout “fire” in a crowded room. However, should there be credible reports or signs – even if unverified - of a fire and should those responsible for extinguishing that fire not have sufficient credibility or competence to deal with it, then it’s also correct for the citizen to provide public warning about it.
Secondly, Kenya’s political history educates us that there is adequate cause for concern with regard to assassinations. Indeed, this was one of the issues publicly discussed during the open hearings of the Truth, Justice and Reconciliation Commission. Professor Daniel Branch, a historian formerly at Exeter but currently at Warwick, has compellingly captured this uglier facet of Kenyan political life in his book Kenya: Between Hope and Despair, 1963-2011.
Some notorious political assassinations in post-independent Kenya include those of Pio Gama Pinto, Tom Mboya, JM Kariuki and Robert Ouko. In each of these cases, there were a number of common, discernable components that we need to pay close heed and attention to. They include early warnings or signs that there is an assassination plan, a political motive and, lastly, state complicity in the perpetration and subsequent cover-up. Here, we briefly examine only the first two components since all that is currently in the public domain are public claims of assassination plans.
Professor Branch records the early warnings or signs prior to Tom Mboya’s assassination: “But he knew that he himself was in personal danger. His opponents’ efforts to lever him from control of formal political institutions had been dashed…and he feared that they would turn to ‘informal’ methods to defeat him. In late June, he left the country for a short period as rumours of assassination grew by the day. He returned home only after being given assurances…from all ‘Kikuyu friends that he would be safe in Kenya’.” Tom Mboya was shot on Saturday July 5, 1969.
In the case of JM Kariuki, Professor Branch writes: “Kariuki was far from oblivious to the personal danger that his criticism of the government caused, but nevertheless remained defiant.” He continues, “Unsurprisingly…rumours of an imminent assassination were widely circulated in political circles in early February 1975. These rumours reached Kariuki, and subsequent events convinced him that this was no hoax or a mere warning…Throughout February, he and his close friends were under police surveillance. Kariuki recognised that…his days as a political force were numbered. Victor Riitho, a close friend, talked to Kariuki on 27 February. Riitho said that Kariuki had spoken to him ‘like a man on his deathbed saying it was important to fight for the truth whatever might happen’.” JM Kariuki was killed on March 2, 1975.
Then there is the question of the political motive behind the assassinations. All these figures were seen to somehow threaten the “natural” political order of things, to stand in the way of those wielding power and to upset the political food chain. Pio Gama Pinto was a firm ally of Jaramogi Oginga Odinga who, after an early political honeymoon, soon fell out with Jomo Kenyatta. Professor Branch records that Malcolm MacDonald (the last governor of the colonial era, the governor-general prior to the declaration of the republic in 1964 and then the first British High Commissioner) perceived Pinto as ‘the principal brain behind the whole secret organisation of Mr Odinga’s movement’. The US Embassy thought him Odinga’s ‘brilliant political tactician’. Branch notes, “Pinto also provided his friends and allies…with formidable organisational skills and tactical nous in Parliament and beyond.”
Tom Mboya was seen as a serious contender to succeed President Kenyatta. During a moment when “the president’s failing health galvanised into action those interested in influencing the succession, he became the target of a series of clumsy attempts by his rival’s leading supporters to further undermine his bid to succeed Kenyatta.”
JM Kariuki's political credentials were such that “In the early 1970s, J.M. Kariuki was the most prominent voice of criticism of the malaise into which Kenya had fallen…Kariuki was widely recognised as a threat to the interests of the ruling elite. In conversation with a British diplomat, G.A. Araru, the MP for Moyale, said he thought Kariuki ‘was a better assassination prospect than a presidential one’.
In the case of Robert Ouko, “His relations with his colleagues in cabinet and with the president had soured in the months leading up to his death. Ouko and Biwott, in particular, had very different views on the continuing corruption within the highest levels of government. Kenya’s rulers, Ouko thought, were no longer immune to criticism…about their corrupt habits…His views were confirmed by the cold reception that Moi and his ministers received in Washington during their visit in February 1990. Biwott, on the other hand, thought that the regime could ride the storm. Moi was inclined to agree with this closest political ally...Biwott was determined that the networks of patronage and corruption that sustained the Moi government would remain intact.”
Mugambi Kiai is the Kenya Program Manager at the Open Society Initiative for Eastern Africa (OSIEA). The views expressed in this article are entirely his own and do not reflect the views of OSIEA.the-star.co.ke/opinions/mugambi-kiai/71378-death-in-the-air
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Post by kamalet on Apr 19, 2012 7:44:05 GMT 3
These people may think it is just election politics but they are forgetting too soon how easily their gimmicks get out of hand. Someone has a game to win with these threats, whether real or made up, but at the end something very dangerous could be inspired by what's painting the news and discussions at social forums. Mank I think you capture it best. People may want to ride the political wave by crying wolf about murder plots, but as you point out they lead to a dangerous trend. My issue with these murder plots is that they are not reported to the authorities but seem designed for the public gallery. I listened to Imanyara yesterday and was alarmed that anyone could have taken him seriously especially as this is not he first time he is making such an allegation. The description of his incident falls so short of intelligence that it makes the Mwau shooting story at Garden Square sound a lot more plausible!
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Post by cheshirecat on Apr 19, 2012 11:04:54 GMT 3
Does anyone even know if this was reported to the police? Or is grandstanding in funerals and parliament the new way of reporting crimes?
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Post by topnotch on Apr 19, 2012 13:26:38 GMT 3
Imanyara's son has been attacked in Machakos.
Where is this headed?
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Post by wycky2011 on Apr 19, 2012 13:50:44 GMT 3
Please provide link or source
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Post by kamalet on Apr 19, 2012 15:39:21 GMT 3
Does anyone even know if this was reported to the police? Or is grandstanding in funerals and parliament the new way of reporting crimes? Imanyara was asked by Ojode to report the matter to the police to allow investigations as it had not been reported!
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Post by roughrider on Apr 19, 2012 16:51:40 GMT 3
Uhuru Kenyatta MUST call off the goons and thugs who operate in HIS name. He and his red-eyed, drugged criminals must cease and desist. People these recent events are troubling on many fronts. They must be condemned by all sane Kenyans.
First, we are dealing with someone accused of the worst crimes known to man, before the highest court in the World. We will be excused for fearing for our dear lives and those of our dearly beloved. Uhuru Kenyatta is not innocent before the ICC, neither is he guilty. The law requires us to guess his innocence, until proven otherwise. But Uhuru wants to be like Barabbas, the notorious prisoner who was freed through public acclaim rather than judicial process.
Secondly, we are in an election year, a few years after traumatic election related violence. We CANNOT have a REPEAT of that horrific episode. Just weeks ago, the MP for LARI had his car burnt and his family targeted by marauding thugs operating in Kenyatta’s interest. His crime? Going to Kisumu and saying Raila deserved to be president. These were not mere claims. It was live and real. The charred remains of that car are a constant reminder. Nobody was arrested and Uhuru did not bother to restrain his people.
Now Gitobu Imanyara has been harassed and embarrassed. His human rights callously breached. This is not new. GEMA has done this in the past. They perpetrated a similar charade during the Kenyatta succession. There are most probably oathing ceremonies going on in the dark and in forests in central province. There is a clear attempt to enforce total loyalty in Central Kenya. It is only well meaning Kenyans who can stand up abd be counted to stop this menace and rescue the country.
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Post by marikopolitico on Apr 19, 2012 17:17:09 GMT 3
You've got to love these fairytales.From late nightdrives in one of the few safe areas of Nairobi(how did they even know he was coming? ) to insane bodyguards the shortage of creativity never ceases.And one wonders why Kenyan moviemakers are so terrible.They are clearly not in Imanyara or Midiwo's league. Silly season is upon Kenya.As I always assure the feeble minded who watch soaps,horror movies and various acts of fiction including the WWE. ITS NOT REAL!
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 19, 2012 17:25:24 GMT 3
These people may think it is just election politics but they are forgetting too soon how easily their gimmicks get out of hand. Someone has a game to win with these threats, whether real or made up, but at the end something very dangerous could be inspired by what's painting the news and discussions at social forums. Mank I think you capture it best. People may want to ride the political wave by crying wolf about murder plots, but as you point out they lead to a dangerous trend. My issue with these murder plots is that they are not reported to the authorities but seem designed for the public gallery. I listened to Imanyara yesterday and was alarmed that anyone could have taken him seriously especially as this is not he first time he is making such an allegation. The description of his incident falls so short of intelligence that it makes the Mwau shooting story at Garden Square sound a lot more plausible! Why report to the same KENYA POLICE/INTELLIGENT forces who are usually known to be used to carry out the assassinations? recent examples of Extra judicial killings of Mungiki Youths e.t.c and past such acts include J.M KARUIKI WHO NOTICED HE WAS BEING TRAILED BY THE POLICE INTELLIGENCE.. THIS WAS CONFIRMED BY HS CLOSE FRIENDS TOO BEFORE HIS BRUTAL MURDERS! bwana Kenyans are not fools, maybe the KENYATTA AND MOI GOVERNMENT GOT AWAY WITH SOME ASSASSINATIONS!! unless someone can point out exactly why any ordinary Kenya would have wanted to assassination, J.M KARUIKI, TOM MBOYA, ROBERT OUKO e.t.c
ANY WHISPERS OF ANY ASSASSINATION PLOTS ON ANY MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT MUST BE TAKEN VERY SERIOUS WHEN ONE LOOKS AT PAST HISTORY OF ASSASSINATIONS. IF THERE WERE TO BE SUCH ASSASSINATION.. WHAT EXACTLY ARE THOSE PLOTTING IT HOPING TO ACHIEVE? CIVIL WAR IN KENYA? OR NO TRIP TO THE ICC? mmm one must wonder!
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Post by mank on Apr 19, 2012 18:41:13 GMT 3
These people may think it is just election politics but they are forgetting too soon how easily their gimmicks get out of hand. Someone has a game to win with these threats, whether real or made up, but at the end something very dangerous could be inspired by what's painting the news and discussions at social forums. Mank
.... My issue with these murder plots is that they are not reported to the authorities but seem designed for the public gallery. I listened to Imanyara yesterday and was alarmed that anyone could have taken him seriously especially as this is not he first time he is making such an allegation.
The description of his incident falls so short of intelligence that it makes the Mwau shooting story at Garden Square sound a lot more plausible!Same view here. The story stinks of incompetent fabrication - unless Imanyara is leaving out crucial details. But why would he leave out such details if he has decided that the public, through parliament, is his only target with the info? Details such as: did everything happen on the road (his story suggests it did), or was he moved to a more secret location before being forced to the ritual he describes? The villains, who seem to have known he was coming (although they seem not even to know him physically), would also have had to know that no one else would be passing through that spot at that time, or would have to care less whether anyone saw them appearing to be murdering someone.
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Post by marikopolitico on Apr 19, 2012 22:02:21 GMT 3
No one is asking how anyone in their sane minds let alone Imanyara stops AT MIDNIGHT to help a group of 4 men in NAIROBI!
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 19, 2012 22:36:46 GMT 3
Kamale & Mank,
I am sure you guys remember how the government convinced some folks (probably you too) how Robert Ouko shot himself, then broke both his legs and then took himself to some mountain hill where he stupidly proceeded to set himself on fire. Now if only Ouko had reported all his problems to the police, we won't have that problem would we? Why are people behaving as if they just arrived from mars? Haven't we seen enough?
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Post by kamalet on Apr 19, 2012 22:46:36 GMT 3
Kamale & Mank, I am sure you guys remember how the government convinced some folks (probably you too) how Robert Ouko shot himself, then broke both his legs and then took himself to some mountain hill where he stupidly proceeded to set himself on fire. Now if only Ouko had reported all his problems to the police, we won't have that problem would we? Why are people behaving as if they just arrived from mars? Haven't we seen enough? ......and I am certain that Ouko's fears would have been legitimate! If one wants to finish you, they do not prepare you (giving you enough time to wail in public)...they just do it! What we are dealing with is a bunch of liars who think their death gives them political mileage!
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Post by merlin on Apr 19, 2012 23:03:34 GMT 3
Kamale & Mank, I am sure you guys remember how the government convinced some folks (probably you too) how Robert Ouko shot himself, then broke both his legs and then took himself to some mountain hill where he stupidly proceeded to set himself on fire. Now if only Ouko had reported all his problems to the police, we won't have that problem would we? Why are people behaving as if they just arrived from mars? Haven't we seen enough? Adongo, No argument will change the position of Mark or Kamalet. No one is guilty till proven guilty, No letter is a forgery till proven a forgery, No threat is proven till the person is killed,
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Post by Mobimba on Apr 19, 2012 23:34:09 GMT 3
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 20, 2012 0:14:34 GMT 3
Kamale & Mank, I am sure you guys remember how the government convinced some folks (probably you too) how Robert Ouko shot himself, then broke both his legs and then took himself to some mountain hill where he stupidly proceeded to set himself on fire. Now if only Ouko had reported all his problems to the police, we won't have that problem would we? Why are people behaving as if they just arrived from mars? Haven't we seen enough? ......and I am certain that Ouko's fears would have been legitimate! If one wants to finish you, they do not prepare you (giving you enough time to wail in public)...they just do it! What we are dealing with is a bunch of liars who think their death gives them political mileage! No Kamale, what we are dealing with is a country where murder and mayhem has been part of the political tools used by the ruling elite for a generation now and it is only getting worse. Why else do you think that some of the top political elites in Kenya face charges of mass murder and rape at the ICC today? Do you think they killed dogs or rats? No they killed Kenyans. Why do they do it so recklessly) It is because they have done it all the time and always get away with it? And what do they murder people for? Political mileage that is what.
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Post by job on Apr 20, 2012 0:54:18 GMT 3
I guess the choir of muthamaki apologists will again blame Imanyara's son for playing politics with his life. Politics can sometimes cloud minds and throw away rationality. What I applaud is the culture of raising a voice when feeling threatened. Life is not a rehearsal where second chances are guaranteed. If Imanyara receives what he credibly believes is real risk to his life & that of his family - it's good to say it out loud before its too late. Folks are tired of assassinations of political rivals since the Kenyatta era. Those old enough are well aware of what historically happened in the Kenyatta succession years...when people had to literally die. Reading between the lines, we are simply seeing the re-emergence of informal Kwekwe-like squads within the police force. These muthamaki squads may have little direct links to the chain of command in the formal police force. These intimidators and executioners may even be assembled from AP or the GSU. For those not in denial, it credibly looks like a new wave of intimidation, particularly in Central and around Mt. Kenya is currently underway. The whipping of those youth at Limuru...tear-gas, baton-beatings, and gun scares...the earlier burning of the Lari MPs vehicle ...and the terror meted upon Gitobu & son can't all be trivialized or laughed at. Preliminary investigation by cops in Machakos already confirms that three strangers actually went to Imanyara Jnr's apartment building - trying to pin-point his door. Whether or not the motive was murder, that act (visit) alone instills fear and terror. It is a classic tactic of political intimidation. The adrenaline rush in Gitobu Imanyara - learning that his son was being stalked by plain-cloth cops is something that can easily buckle the resolve of this pro-democracy fighter. These terror tactics are now going beyond the Moi-era repression; because violence and intimidation is even being promised forehand. When Imanyara talks of night-time strangers promising to deliver his chopped head and that of his sons to his wife; only to learn that his son in Machakos actually got a visit from the squad..that's a nightmare right there. It begins to feel like one is in the paranoid Assad's Syria. It's important to remember that this Kibaki era in Kenya is actually the era of extrajudicial executions and signature beheadings. Random terrorist bombings have been added.
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 20, 2012 1:53:40 GMT 3
Lincoln I pasted it just to highlight some points, [[/b][/quote] Police are looking for three people said to have entered an apartment where a son of Imenti Cenral MP Gitobu Imanyara lives and inquired on his whereabouts. The CID officers are also seeking to interview North Horr MP Chachu Ganya, who Mr Imanyara said he had been with moments before a gang abducted him at a restaurant in Nairobi’s Kilimani estate. The MP claimed on Wednesday the gangsters abducted him, forced him to kneel down and pledge loyalty to Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta. Police Commissioner Mathew Iteere, however, ordered that CID director Ndegwa Muhoro takes over the investigation. The police boss had also written to the National Assembly, where Mr Imanyara broke the news of the alleged abduction, asking Speaker Kenneth Marende to have the MP record a statement at the CID headquarters. On Thursday, Prime Minister Raila Odinga directed Internal Security Minister George Saitoti “to have immediate investigations carried out on the unconscionable threats to the life and family of Mr Imanyara.” when they don't get their way... intimidation is usually their next step.. a reminder J.M Karuiki was warned!! intimidated and finally Killed!!KENYANS WATCH OUT AND BE MORE VIGILANT.. DON'T LET ROGUE MAFIA LIKE GANGS IN GOVERNMENT BURN THE COUNTRY...
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