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Post by Mobimba on Dec 6, 2012 14:15:12 GMT 3
Chesirecat,
Kalonzo remains a spineless treacherous scavenging lizard. He’s a traitor who could leave CORD at any time. We pray he doesn’t. We also support those who choose redemption.
That said, with all his sins, he gets past the pearly gates. Uhuru and Ruto on the other hand are confirmed murderers and rapists.
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Post by cheshirecat on Dec 6, 2012 14:58:12 GMT 3
Chesirecat, Kalonzo remains a spineless treacherous scavenging lizard. He’s a traitor who could leave CORD at any time. We pray he doesn’t. We also support those who choose redemption. That said, with all his sins, he gets past the pearly gates. Uhuru and Ruto on the other hand are confirmed murderers and rapists. Wonder who determines who enters your pearly gates and who doesn't But regardless, you miss the bigger picture here. Its all well and good to tell us that the Hague bunch are not going to reform anything apart perhaps from their own pockets (i think you are right on that). Just wonder why you think a party that has the likes of Kalonzo or Maina Njenga (the executor of those rapes and murders you rage about) will fair any better. and therein lies the Kenyan tragedy. We blame our leaders and yet the real monkeys, the real greedy treacherous idiots are us. That is why you give Kalonzo a pass this week even when am sure I could find countless threads where you condemned him. And for what? what has he done to redeem himself other than switch allegiance from a corrupt tribal chief you hate to a corrupt tribal chief you like? You sir are the problem. Of-course alongside other millions of your compatriots.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Dec 10, 2012 8:57:49 GMT 3
Mudavadi seems to have understood the gravity of the situation he is in and has decided to battle it out all the way.
It however still remains tricky how to navigate the nomination process at Kasarani. With each of the three parties bringing in 20 delegates from each of the 47 counties, it looks like whomever wins majority of Ruto's delegates will carry the day. Very tricky if you asked me.
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Post by reporter911 on Dec 10, 2012 10:05:47 GMT 3
MEDIA survey now say MUDAVADI CAN BEAT UHURU IN HIS OWN BACKYARD ;D ;D IF I WAS UHURU I WOULD CRAWL UNDER THE CARPET, HOW SHAMEFUL THAT CENTRAL PROVINCE CAN KICK OUT UHURU ! BUT HEY WHO IS TALKING ..
THE RUMOURS ON THE GROUND IS THAT UHURU NEEDED A SOFT LANDING IN ORDER TO HAND HIS PRESIDENTIAL TICKET TO MUDAVADI ( oops!! in comes the fake media paid survey .. what a laugh)
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Post by kamalet on Dec 10, 2012 10:07:02 GMT 3
Mudavadi seems to have understood the gravity of the situation he is in and has decided to battle it out all the way. It however still remains tricky how to navigate the nomination process at Kasarani. With each of the three parties bringing in 20 delegates from each of the 47 counties, it looks like whomever wins majority of Ruto's delegates will carry the day. Very tricky if you asked me. Mmkuu Ruto knows who he would prefer to serve under and that will determine the instructions to his URP delegates. He also knows who is a lot more guaranteed to give him the DP post and that cannot be the votes that Mudavadi hopes to bring! So Mudavadi is being given a soft landing spot that ensures his graceful exit from the presidential campaign or Ruto is a very treacherous person! Either way it will be a significant regional loss to the Jubilee group whoever is nominated!
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Post by emali on Dec 10, 2012 13:27:02 GMT 3
Mudavadi seems to have understood the gravity of the situation he is in and has decided to battle it out all the way. It however still remains tricky how to navigate the nomination process at Kasarani. With each of the three parties bringing in 20 delegates from each of the 47 counties, it looks like whomever wins majority of Ruto's delegates will carry the day. Very tricky if you asked me. Mmkuu Ruto knows who he would prefer to serve under and that will determine the instructions to his URP delegates. He also knows who is a lot more guaranteed to give him the DP post and that cannot be the votes that Mudavadi hopes to bring! So Mudavadi is being given a soft landing spot that ensures his graceful exit from the presidential campaign or Ruto is a very treacherous person! Either way it will be a significant regional loss to the Jubilee group whoever is nominated! I don’t think any betrayal is necessary,IMO Mudavadi will be TNA/URP/UDF’s flagbearer,I don’t see any reason for him to be in the lineup of URP/TNA/UDF if he isn’t the flagbearer,why did Uhuruto go out of their way to pull him in at the last minute? & besides if he isn’t the flagbearer he won’t add anything to the duo… It goes back to what has been suspected all along that they won’t run…and the way Mudavadi is being fronted as a ‘state house’ project is only partly true IMO he is a Uhuruto project, they agreed a long time ago with Kibakis people that this was the route they would take…the below article shows Uhuru has a mind of his own & a project like the Mudavadi one would never be imposed on him if he wasn’t on board… www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000072429&story_title=uhuru-s-long-winding-political-journeyThis one also shows where he lies on the ICC (from the 5th minute onwards)… These rebelling MP’s will either tow the line or make other arrangements like the GNU/Kiujuri group has…
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Post by kamalet on Dec 10, 2012 14:53:50 GMT 3
Emali
You believe conspiracy theorists and other hopefuls too quickly.
Why would Uhuru invest as much as he has done just to give it away in the last minute? Does that make sense to you? Mudavadi and his UDF are late the party and he can only be a candidate for TNA nomination as I do not think his signature to the TNA/URP agreement made the deadline for 4th December.
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Post by emali on Dec 10, 2012 15:29:10 GMT 3
Emali You believe conspiracy theorists and other hopefuls too quickly. Why would Uhuru invest as much as he has done just to give it away in the last minute? Does that make sense to you? Mudavadi and his UDF are late the party and he can only be a candidate for TNA nomination as I do not think his signature to the TNA/URP agreement made the deadline for 4th December. I just don’t see why Mudavadi had to be in the picture to begin with...if he was not going to be the candidate then what was the point? Pity? I believe like I said above that Uhuru had no intention to run...he is building his base for a run in 2017 & getting the required numbers in parliament/senators/governors to be influential till through 2017... I look at Ruto looking all content with a number two seat, I see all these MP’s looking like they were hoodwinked among other things...the nomination is tomorrow or soon so we won’t have to wait long to see...
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Dec 10, 2012 18:30:33 GMT 3
Mudavadi seems to have understood the gravity of the situation he is in and has decided to battle it out all the way. It however still remains tricky how to navigate the nomination process at Kasarani. With each of the three parties bringing in 20 delegates from each of the 47 counties, it looks like whomever wins majority of Ruto's delegates will carry the day. Very tricky if you asked me. Mmkuu Ruto knows who he would prefer to serve under and that will determine the instructions to his URP delegates. He also knows who is a lot more guaranteed to give him the DP post and that cannot be the votes that Mudavadi hopes to bring! So Mudavadi is being given a soft landing spot that ensures his graceful exit from the presidential campaign or Ruto is a very treacherous person! Either way it will be a significant regional loss to the Jubilee group whoever is nominated! Kamale,I hear you and I clearly see where you are coming from, but I am kinda leaning towards Emali's view on this. The more I watch and listen to Ruto and Uhuru, the more I get convinced that they reached this decision some time back and decided to sit on it as they observe other unfolding scenarios, and now they have to execute it. I think the biggest problem Uhuru had with Mudavadi earlier revolved around the way he (Mudavadi) arrived on the scene. But now, they both (UhuRuto) feel they kind of own him and can therefore tag together. As for central running away if Muda wins the nomination, I do not see that happening, not when Uhuru and Kibaki are speaking the same language. Plus, this is the only anti-ICC ticket, an issue that central more than any other region has the largest interest. His candidature if it comes to be, also redefines the ICC debate in a way that disarms their opponents in a big way. Yes, Mudavadi might not have the fanatical following that Ruto and Uhuru have, but he brings in a constituency that would not have voted for UhuRuto, specifically western and parts of RV thus ensuring that RV is 100% under lock and key for jubilee, with western automatically falling in place if he is the nominee. In fact I will expect a lot of defections to jubilee down western before Jan 4th deadline. But again, any of the three is better suited to be president than the cocktail in the CORD coalition. The good thing is, the nominations for the jubilee candidate are coming early enough leaving them time good enough for mollifying their supporters who may not be very happy with whatever outcome.
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Post by kamalet on Dec 10, 2012 18:48:24 GMT 3
Mmkuu Ruto knows who he would prefer to serve under and that will determine the instructions to his URP delegates. He also knows who is a lot more guaranteed to give him the DP post and that cannot be the votes that Mudavadi hopes to bring! So Mudavadi is being given a soft landing spot that ensures his graceful exit from the presidential campaign or Ruto is a very treacherous person! Either way it will be a significant regional loss to the Jubilee group whoever is nominated! Kamale,I hear you and I clearly see where you are coming from, but I am kinda leaning towards Emali's view on this. The more I watch and listen to Ruto and Uhuru, the more I get convinced that they reached this decision some time back and decided to sit on it as they observe other unfolding scenarios, and now they have to execute it. I think the biggest problem Uhuru had with Mudavadi earlier revolved around the way he (Mudavadi) arrived on the scene. But now, they both (UhuRuto) feel they kind of own him and can therefore tag together. As for central running away if Muda wins the nomination, I do not see that happening, not when Uhuru and Kibaki are speaking the same language. Plus, this is the only anti-ICC ticket, an issue that central more than any other region has the largest interest. He also takes away the sting in the other camp on sanctions and what nonsense. Yes, Mudavadi might not have the fanatical following that Ruto and Uhuru have, but he brings in a constituency that would not have voted for UhuRuto, specifically western and parts of RV thus ensuring that RV is 100% under lock and key for jubilee, with western automatically falling in place if he is the nominee. In fact I will expect a lot of defections to jubilee down western before Jan 4th deadline. But again, any of the three is better suited to be president than the cocktail in the CORD coalition. The good thing is, the nominations for the jubilee candidate are coming early enough leaving them time good enough for mollifying their supporters who may not be very happy with whatever outcome. Mmkuu I hear you...but differ a bit! Uhuru's decision to start TNA was to rid himself of the Kibaki powerbrokers who wanted him on a UDF ticket where he would have become a marionette. I do not see Uhuru kow towing to the Kibaki brokers and I am firmly convinced that Kibaki as an individual is staying away from the fray as is typical of him but does accede to any Uhuru request - e.g. appointing the Metitos and Wamalwas to plum jobs. It is not any different to the decision by Ruto to start URP and be the driver. Ruto and Uhuru would not be lying to Kenyans that flocked Afraha stadium where they told us about their joint ticket only to change their minds and bring along Mudavadi. I think, as alluded before, they are giving Mudavadi a soft landing away from the presidential ticket as he can explain his loss to Uhuru and hope that he can sell himself to his community to join the Jubilee wagon. Uhuruto know that jointly they have about 47% of the vote secured and if Mudavadi can bring along a small number of his voters to top up the 3.5% (circa 400k votes)required, then their coalition would have nailed it in the first round. Do note that Mudavadi individually has been clocking slightly more in the opinion polls. Given than a choice between a nothing Wetangula and a something Mudavadi the Luhyias can turn it round for Mudavadi even when he is not on the ballot. There was never a doubt that Mudavadi would never make president as a lone candidate and his community knows it and that is why he was important to the Jubilee group!
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Post by joblesscorner on Dec 10, 2012 18:56:26 GMT 3
Jukwaa,
I know we have discussed this a interview a while ago, on a different thread, but the video was not available online then. Let's get to know MM.
here is MM on BBC Hard talk.
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Post by reporter911 on Dec 10, 2012 19:40:06 GMT 3
Jukwaa,I know we have discussed this a interview a while ago, on a different thread, but the video was not available online then. Let's get to know MM. here is MM on BBC Hard talk. Forget heard talk.. Let him Explain to Kenyans his hand in the Goldenberg Scandal!! ama he is waiting for Pattni to spill the beans..
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Dec 10, 2012 19:54:56 GMT 3
Kamale,I hear you and I clearly see where you are coming from, but I am kinda leaning towards Emali's view on this. The more I watch and listen to Ruto and Uhuru, the more I get convinced that they reached this decision some time back and decided to sit on it as they observe other unfolding scenarios, and now they have to execute it. I think the biggest problem Uhuru had with Mudavadi earlier revolved around the way he (Mudavadi) arrived on the scene. But now, they both (UhuRuto) feel they kind of own him and can therefore tag together. As for central running away if Muda wins the nomination, I do not see that happening, not when Uhuru and Kibaki are speaking the same language. Plus, this is the only anti-ICC ticket, an issue that central more than any other region has the largest interest. He also takes away the sting in the other camp on sanctions and what nonsense. Yes, Mudavadi might not have the fanatical following that Ruto and Uhuru have, but he brings in a constituency that would not have voted for UhuRuto, specifically western and parts of RV thus ensuring that RV is 100% under lock and key for jubilee, with western automatically falling in place if he is the nominee. In fact I will expect a lot of defections to jubilee down western before Jan 4th deadline. But again, any of the three is better suited to be president than the cocktail in the CORD coalition. The good thing is, the nominations for the jubilee candidate are coming early enough leaving them time good enough for mollifying their supporters who may not be very happy with whatever outcome. Mmkuu I hear you...but differ a bit! Uhuru's decision to start TNA was to rid himself of the Kibaki powerbrokers who wanted him on a UDF ticket where he would have become a marionette. I do not see Uhuru kow towing to the Kibaki brokers and I am firmly convinced that Kibaki as an individual is staying away from the fray as is typical of him but does accede to any Uhuru request - e.g. appointing the Metitos and Wamalwas to plum jobs. It is not any different to the decision by Ruto to start URP and be the driver. Ruto and Uhuru would not be lying to Kenyans that flocked Afraha stadium where they told us about their joint ticket only to change their minds and bring along Mudavadi. I think, as alluded before, they are giving Mudavadi a soft landing away from the presidential ticket as he can explain his loss to Uhuru and hope that he can sell himself to his community to join the Jubilee wagon. Uhuruto know that jointly they have about 47% of the vote secured and if Mudavadi can bring along a small number of his voters to top up the 3.5% (circa 400k votes)required, then their coalition would have nailed it in the first round. Do note that Mudavadi individually has been clocking slightly more in the opinion polls. Given than a choice between a nothing Wetangula and a something Mudavadi the Luhyias can turn it round for Mudavadi even when he is not on the ballot. There was never a doubt that Mudavadi would never make president as a lone candidate and his community knows it and that is why he was important to the Jubilee group! Kamale,We are on the same page all the way. The only thing I am disputing here is the theory some people are trying to weave that, if Mudavadi is the nominee, central will take off because Mudavadi is not Kikuyu. I just do not see how that can happen given the factors and issues at play in this election.
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Post by reporter911 on Dec 10, 2012 20:10:30 GMT 3
Mmkuu I hear you...but differ a bit! Uhuru's decision to start TNA was to rid himself of the Kibaki powerbrokers who wanted him on a UDF ticket where he would have become a marionette. I do not see Uhuru kow towing to the Kibaki brokers and I am firmly convinced that Kibaki as an individual is staying away from the fray as is typical of him but does accede to any Uhuru request - e.g. appointing the Metitos and Wamalwas to plum jobs. It is not any different to the decision by Ruto to start URP and be the driver. Ruto and Uhuru would not be lying to Kenyans that flocked Afraha stadium where they told us about their joint ticket only to change their minds and bring along Mudavadi. I think, as alluded before, they are giving Mudavadi a soft landing away from the presidential ticket as he can explain his loss to Uhuru and hope that he can sell himself to his community to join the Jubilee wagon. Uhuruto know that jointly they have about 47% of the vote secured and if Mudavadi can bring along a small number of his voters to top up the 3.5% (circa 400k votes)required, then their coalition would have nailed it in the first round. Do note that Mudavadi individually has been clocking slightly more in the opinion polls. Given than a choice between a nothing Wetangula and a something Mudavadi the Luhyias can turn it round for Mudavadi even when he is not on the ballot. There was never a doubt that Mudavadi would never make president as a lone candidate and his community knows it and that is why he was important to the Jubilee group! Kamale,We are on the same page all the way. The only thing I am disputing here is the theory some people are trying to weave that, if Mudavadi is the nominee, central will take off because Mudavadi is not Kikuyu. I just do not see how that can happen given the factors and issues at play in this election. ;D ;D Moi's protegees 1. Uhuru 2. Mudavadi 3. Ruto But that is not the case here.. Why Keep Harping about it here, why not ask the 40MP's Majortiy who are from Central Province and their supporters why they refuse to vote for Mudavadi? alah.. stop spinning your propaganda here! the central Province Block of 40MP's have spoken Loud and clear..and that means their supporters in central feel the same too
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Post by joblesscorner on Dec 10, 2012 20:26:36 GMT 3
Reporter 911,
Reporter 911,
I believe the word you are looking for is hardtalk not heard, nevertheless, indulge me on Mudavadi Vs GoldenBerg Scandal, how he was involved, I'll provide the report for you from commission of inquiry.
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Post by reporter911 on Dec 10, 2012 23:49:41 GMT 3
Reporter 911,Reporter 911, I believe the word you are looking for is hardtalk not heard, nevertheless, indulge me on Mudavadi Vs GoldenBerg Scandal, how he was involved, I'll provide the report for you from commission of inquiry. Opps! I guess you didn't read the report by the Kenya Anti-Corruption Commission ANNUAL REPORT :2007 - 2008
Excerpts from the KAC report.. go look for the whole report of you are really looking for the truth & facts.. which I doubt whether you can handle it
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Post by joblesscorner on Dec 11, 2012 0:01:56 GMT 3
Reporter,So Mudavadi defended the govt when he was installed as the Finance Minister, but when the "EXPORT" was happening, he was not in the govt right? Reporter 911,Reporter 911, I believe the word you are looking for is hardtalk not heard, nevertheless, indulge me on Mudavadi Vs GoldenBerg Scandal, how he was involved, I'll provide the report for you from commission of inquiry. Opps! I guess you didn't read the report by the Kenya Anti-Corruption Commission ANNUAL REPORT :2007 - 2008
Excerpts from the KAC report.. go look for the whole report of you are really looking for the truth & facts.. which I doubt whether you can handle it
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Post by reporter911 on Dec 11, 2012 1:13:56 GMT 3
Reporter,So Mudavadi defended the govt when he was installed as the Finance Minister, but when the "EXPORT" was happening, he was not in the govt right? Opps! I guess you didn't read the report by the Kenya Anti-Corruption Commission ANNUAL REPORT :2007 - 2008
Excerpts from the KAC report.. go look for the whole report of you are really looking for the truth & facts.. which I doubt whether you can handle it He should have rejected the appointment instead of standing hand in hand with Moi to fleece the government coffers.. Githongo stepped down when he didn't agree with what was happening with Anglo- leasing - case still pending.. I guess for you the blame is the government? the government is the people that Kenyan citizens elect to run the country. Yours truly should have rejected the appointment.. period!!
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Post by phil on Dec 11, 2012 9:54:57 GMT 3
So the same Mudavadi who stormed out of ODM claiming the party did not offer a broadly based participatory presidential nomination system has accepted 20 slots for UDF per county as a party in an NDC that will have nearly 2800 delegates nominated by TNA and URP?
What a joker this man Mudavadi is. Perhaps nothing illustrates his project status more than this hypocrisy of accepting Jubilee nominations - where delegates have been selected rather than elected through grassroot polls - when these are the same reasons that purportedly made him quit ODM.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Dec 11, 2012 10:08:49 GMT 3
So the same Mudavadi who stormed out of ODM claiming the party did not offer a broadly based participatory presidential nomination system has accepted 20 slots for UDF as a party in an NDC that will have nearly 2800 delegates mostly nominated by TNA, followed by URP? What a joker this man Mudavadi is. Perhaps nothing illustrates his project status more than this hypocrisy of accepting Jubilee nominations - where delegates have been selected rather than elected through grassroot polls - when these are the same reasons that purportedly made him quit ODM. Not quite, each of the participating parties is bringing in 20 delegates from each of the 47 counties. And therein lies the difference between this process and ODM's; in this nomination, each of the candidates has an equal chance unlike ODM's where Nyong'o had to determine the delegates.
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Post by kamalet on Dec 11, 2012 11:04:33 GMT 3
So the same Mudavadi who stormed out of ODM claiming the party did not offer a broadly based participatory presidential nomination system has accepted 20 slots for UDF as a party in an NDC that will have nearly 2800 delegates mostly nominated by TNA, followed by URP? What a joker this man Mudavadi is. Perhaps nothing illustrates his project status more than this hypocrisy of accepting Jubilee nominations - where delegates have been selected rather than elected through grassroot polls - when these are the same reasons that purportedly made him quit ODM. Not quite, each of the participating parties is bringing in 20 delegates from each of the 47 counties. And therein lies the difference between this process and ODM's; in this nomination, each of the candidates has an equal chance unlike ODM's where Nyong'o had to determine the delegates. Phil is getting worried that it might not work our for them this time and mudslinging seems to be the ODM strategy!
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Post by topnotch on Dec 11, 2012 11:14:25 GMT 3
So the same Mudavadi who stormed out of ODM claiming the party did not offer a broadly based participatory presidential nomination system has accepted 20 slots for UDF as a party in an NDC that will have nearly 2800 delegates mostly nominated by TNA, followed by URP? What a joker this man Mudavadi is. Perhaps nothing illustrates his project status more than this hypocrisy of accepting Jubilee nominations - where delegates have been selected rather than elected through grassroot polls - when these are the same reasons that purportedly made him quit ODM. Not quite, each of the participating parties is bringing in 20 delegates from each of the 47 counties. And therein lies the difference between this process and ODM's; in this nomination, each of the candidates has an equal chance unlike ODM's where Nyong'o had to determine the delegates. Mwalimumkuu Not quite too. At that time ODM was a single party, whereas Jubilee is a coalition. The ODM delegates were elected party officials. It would be good if you tell us how UDF, URP and TNA will each choose their party delegates.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Dec 18, 2012 20:39:31 GMT 3
Given the latest developments, it is increasingly becoming clear that Musalia may not be considered for the Jubilee alliance's presidential candidacy. Which makes my earlier question as to what he should do next even more valid and apt.
Mudavadi was to sign an agreement with the tunawesmake guy making him the president and PK his deputy. This plan fell through when Uhuruto came calling. PK has since moved on with Tuju and MM has now been thrown under the bus. How does he survive? The man is seriously wounded and bruised, does he just throw in the towel and support Uhuruto or Should he accept Pambazuka's invitation (as what)?
Although not a big admirer of Mudavadi's brand of politics, I still feel that he still has a role to play in Kenyan politics moving forward. Thus, he must keep himself relevant by running for the big office. It does not matter with whom and on what ticket, but running he must? Does he have the energy and wherewithal to go all the way?
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Post by raiswakesho on Dec 18, 2012 23:12:29 GMT 3
Mwalimu,
The project is funded by state house so money ain't a problem. He can go all the way to save face and lose like a champion!
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Post by jakaswanga on Dec 18, 2012 23:27:54 GMT 3
Bwana Mwalimumkuu,
Just listened to two videos, one featuring Uhuru, another Mudavadi. Musalia has now gone public on an alleged MOU, accusing Uhuru in effect of reneging on a promise! And without any form of self-awareness nor criticism nor reflection, he seems irked, yet he walked out of a signed deal with Peter Kenneth at the last moment, switching even his mobile off!
There is a character flaw in this man which can only make him be the perfect political parasite!
What next? I do not think the usefulness of useless characters like Musalia is expended in the political dispensation of Kenya, unfortunately. He therefore can only sink slow motion into oblivion. To be backed by the full power of an incumbent state counts for something. And he is backed. To me that is his only relevance!
What a sordid creep he be!
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