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Post by b6k on Sept 9, 2013 19:13:24 GMT 3
Kdero has his work cut out for him. I see this matter totally differently. From the clips, it is Shebesh who goes to Kidero, not the other way round. The office may be public, but the space around the officer's person is his/her own - there has to be such a thing as violating one's personal space even in a public office. When a bee comes your way, you squash it if you can, even though you know that all its artillery is a relatively non-effective one-time-use stinger in its butt! Weakness cannot be an excuse to harass others in their face. People have the right to demonstrate, but their demonstrations should keep reasonable space. In this case I think Shebesh violated Kidero's space, and while such violation need not spark a slap in the face, it can, and it did. Nothing to resign for, but the ridiculous arguments reported to come from Kidero can only mean panic after this gender-biased condemnation. Mank, I see this differently. In civilized societies when a pest comes your, way you call in animal control (911 in the US... I hear 999 is up & working in KE but we've been warned not to "test" to make sure it's working it lest you be prosecuted) & whatever "wild animal" is in your home, face, or whatever will be humanely taken away to its natural habitat. Kidero could've maintained the moral highground by (1) closing the door on Shebesh's face or (2) ordering his security, who were right by his side, to take her away, gonad squeeze or not aside...
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 9, 2013 19:40:09 GMT 3
B6k $ Kathure-K I was waiting, hoping that Shebbesh would deny the report, and allegation that she 'man' ::)handled her watchman! I have not yet gotten wind of such a denial. Then I think Kidero wins in the boardroom deal. www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000093029&story_title=kidero-what-was-she-doing-around-my-lower-abdomen&pageNo=2and the KEWOPA thing of Mbarire and the rest are here on the war-path [kenya women parliamentary association] www.nation.co.ke/news/Women+MPs+demand+Kidero+resignation+/-/1056/1983060/-/k0mk74z/-/index.htmlKEWOPA and FIDA are then immediately revealed, outted, as parochial, imbalanced organisations. Hypocrites. If Kidero has to RESIGN FOR CONDUCT UNBECOMING ----hitting a poor woman while he is a public figure and should be an example [resignation being a recognition of a MORAL OFFENCE and not necessarily due to [possible] criminal conviction. (That INTEGRITY CLAUSE WE KILLED when we hired EUGENE WAMALWA to replace MUTUALA KILONZO at justice! comes back to haunt us]---- then why has SUPKEM AND FIDA not used the same standards on the Nairobi women's rep? [seeing she has not denied assaulting a watchman? and indeed the police has a registered complaint against her?] So it is because Kidero is a man? and as James Brown sang: it is a man's world, but it gonna be a woman's world some day! man, you better prepare your balls for a kick! This is when progressive Kenyans disappoint me! It is obvious these women are not defending Shebbesh and roasting Kidero on principle! She is their friend, and this is sister-solidarity! Watchmen working for sisters are fair game as Nereah would say! WAKE ME UP, WHEN THE BATTLE IS AGAINST THE PHYSICAL ABUSE OF ALL KENYANS! EVEN INFANTS, like this one! That story, is sure a sister who needed someone to fight her corner! Shebbesh Kidero? blame it on the Chinese Money!
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Post by b6k on Sept 9, 2013 19:59:28 GMT 3
AYAYAYAYA! A rap-artist should use this! this is ready-made art! Is it correct to say you belong to the school which says: it is about time she tasted a shot of coffee, in response to Shebbesh's 'sijawai onja kofi ya mwanamme'!?Jakaswanga, Ayayayaya , you have ...........Kidero!! fill in the blanks - I agree this will make a good rap video. So the FIDA and COVAW have come out to demand for the resignation of Kidero- What bunch of Losers these women are. Lets step back and analyze the chronology of events leading to the ayayayaya moment for a minute. The following are the facts 1. Shebesh with her groupie of goons overruns the governors security and threatens the governors personal security. 2. An altercation ensures - harsh words are exchanged - apparently references are made about genitals (rofl)yet to be confirmed genitals are actually hit - difficult to confirm this from the video since if your balls are struck- men tend to go on the knee position. 3. A slap is unleashed and the ayayayaya moment is born. Just to get things off the deck - Kidero's statement to the press that he did not recall the incident was a PR disaster which was very surprising especially coming from someone who has been in the corporate world for such a long time and should have known better. A Short statement from the county executive describing the circumstances around the slap should have sufficed. Back to point 3 above- does the slap rise to the level of violence against "women"? not by a long shot. First of all, did Shebesh have a right to be at Kidero's office door? did she have an appointment? was she trespassing? did kidero feel threatened? did he try to be reasonable and accommodative to Shebesh, is it possible that shebesh could have verbally if not physically assaulted Kidero? did he use reasonable force to thwart the assault/threat? Shebesh decided to overrun cityhall and involve herself in an act of civil disobedience. Where Otish took refuge from - such people are electrocuted by hand held devices called a taser. Initial contact delivers 50,000v and drops to 1200 v once you are convulsing on the ground- and this is still not violence. Does the Kidero slap hit these thresholds? My point is, whether shebesh was a man or a woman, s/he deserved to be tased. Otherwise COVAW and FIDA are telling us that it is OK to run around town breaking the rules and harassing other people especially men and when you get slapped - we will come to your aid. Violence against women should be in the context of the law. FIDA and COVAW should send a clear message to women, especially the privileged kind like shebesh- we will stand with you if you are a victim of violence, but you are alone if you are the cause of the defensive action in an altercation. Senti 5 P101, you have a point. The very same said civilized societies have extremely professional security protocols. For one thing, there is always a pre-arranged agreement on what a proper "perimeter" will be between the person they guard and ANY individual who comes their way in any given situation. If a person comes beyond "x" meters of their charge or lingers too long with a handshake, they will be taken down. I once shared a video of an American university student being tazed (not that he was too close to the current Secretary of State, John Kerry, but because he was asking "uncomfortable questions" to Kerry in a public forum, microphone in hand (God knows what damage Shebesh could've done to Kidero politically if she had a microphone in her hand & not his family jewels....ALLEGEDLY!). Moral of the story, if you behave like an a$$, you ought to be tazed. I agree, Shebesh was a good candidate for a tazing. That said, it doesn't give Kidero the right to take the law into his own hand(s) by slapping the offender. He has people around him who are paid to slap around (or worse) offenders. He should have called his "dogs" off on her. It's that simple, bro...
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Post by b6k on Sept 9, 2013 20:07:07 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, Ayayayaya , you have ...........Kidero!! fill in the blanks - I agree this will make a good rap video.... I don't know about rap, but I think it is a patentable ring tone. What I don't know is whether patenting rights are naturally Kidero's or Lady Shebesh's. They have a commercial opportunity here, if they can collaborate. Relatedly, I read that Shebesh is ready to forgive Kidero ... but wait a minute ... it is not the Shebesh that was slapped! The negotiations are disgusting ... ...when a woman is slapped and apologies are directed at the husband, and the husband seems ready to accept them, where does that leave the woman? Ngunia! Mali! ...echoes of Barasa-gate. Didn't the former DCJ's emissaries try to apologize to Moraa's hubby & take him goodies from Nakumatt? It may have to do with that African chattel thing but I agree with you the apology ought to go to Rachael herself, or at least both her & her hubby concurrently....
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Post by b6k on Sept 9, 2013 20:23:44 GMT 3
B6k $ Kathure-K I was waiting, hoping that Shebbesh would deny the report, and allegation that she 'man' ::)handled her watchman! I have not yet gotten wind of such a denial. Then I think Kidero wins in the boardroom deal. www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000093029&story_title=kidero-what-was-she-doing-around-my-lower-abdomen&pageNo=2and the KEWOPA thing of Mbarire and the rest are here on the war-path [kenya women parliamentary association] www.nation.co.ke/news/Women+MPs+demand+Kidero+resignation+/-/1056/1983060/-/k0mk74z/-/index.htmlKEWOPA and FIDA are then immediately revealed, outted, as parochial, imbalanced organisations. Hypocrites. If Kidero has to RESIGN FOR CONDUCT UNBECOMING ----hitting a poor woman while he is a public figure and should be an example [resignation being a recognition of a MORAL OFFENCE and not necessarily due to [possible] criminal conviction. (That INTEGRITY CLAUSE WE KILLED when we hired EUGENE WAMALWA to replace MUTUALA KILONZO at justice! comes back to haunt us]---- then why has SUPKEM AND FIDA not used the same standards on the Nairobi women's rep? [seeing she has not denied assaulting a watchman? and indeed the police has a registered complaint against her?] So it is because Kidero is a man? and as James Brown sang: it is a man's world, but it gonna be a woman's world some day! man, you better prepare your balls for a kick! This is when progressive Kenyans disappoint me! It is obvious these women are not defending Shebbesh and roasting Kidero on principle! She is their friend, and this is sister-solidarity! Watchmen working for sisters are fair game as Nereah would say! WAKE ME UP, WHEN THE BATTLE IS AGAINST THE PHYSICAL ABUSE OF ALL KENYANS! EVEN INFANTS, like this one! That story, is sure a sister who needed someone to fight her corner! Shebbesh Kidero? blame it on the Chinese Money! Jakaswanga, blame it on Mank for not posting the entire story (or the link) from where he got that picture since on the Sunday Nation 21 hours ago some of us read.... excerpt: "In an exclusive interview with the Nation on Sunday, Mr Frank Shebesh said he had received calls from Dr Kidero’s allies apologising on the governor’s behalf." excerpt: "Mr Shebesh, who was accompanied by his wife, said if Dr Kidero continued “peddling lies that he was assaulted by his wife’, then he would take the matter to court." In short, Rachael isn't addressing the Kidero allegations herself, it is her hubby who has taken centre stage to take the Nairobi governor head on for daring to slap "his woman". excerpt: " Mr Shebesh, who said he has never beaten his wife, termed Dr Kidero’s move to report the matter to the police as “an act of impunity and a deceptive ploy meant to hoodwink the law enforcement agencies.”
He added that when he received the news on his mobile phone, he felt he should have been there to defend his wife. “My first thoughts were that I wish I was there. I felt that it was very unfortunate that I was not there…to protect her defenceless soul from that barbaric act,” he said." ...and then way down in the story, enter Rachael Shebesh... "Mrs Shebesh said that the incident would not cow her in her efforts to defend the rights women and workers." ...& then (oops!) Sonko.... Read more here: www.nation.co.ke/news/Shebesh+ready+to+forgive+Kidero/-/1056/1984590/-/o7ifq5/-/index.htmlYes I have also heard about the "Kidero dared over-shadow Muthamaki's China goodies report" with his coup of deals for Nairobi County but I will file that along with the swift grip to the groin column for now, until it's proven otherwise That women are their own worst enemies is something that is known to all...even to KK wa Jukwaa as she admitted above
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2013 21:07:35 GMT 3
b6k you're a piece of work. Before I respond to anything else, tell me where it is that I said what you've written here. "That women are their own worst enemies is something that is known to all...even to KK wa Jukwaa as she admitted above" Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/posts/recent#ixzz2eQ6X4fXG
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Post by mank on Sept 9, 2013 21:23:44 GMT 3
I see this matter totally differently. From the clips, it is Shebesh who goes to Kidero, not the other way round. The office may be public, but the space around the officer's person is his/her own - there has to be such a thing as violating one's personal space even in a public office. When a bee comes your way, you squash it if you can, even though you know that all its artillery is a relatively non-effective one-time-use stinger in its butt! Weakness cannot be an excuse to harass others in their face. People have the right to demonstrate, but their demonstrations should keep reasonable space. In this case I think Shebesh violated Kidero's space, and while such violation need not spark a slap in the face, it can, and it did. Nothing to resign for, but the ridiculous arguments reported to come from Kidero can only mean panic after this gender-biased condemnation. Mank, I see this differently. In civilized societies when a pest comes your, way you call in animal control (911 in the US... I hear 999 is up & working in KE but we've been warned not to "test" to make sure it's working it lest you be prosecuted) & whatever "wild animal" is in your home, face, or whatever will be humanely taken away to its natural habitat. Kidero could've maintained the moral highground by (1) closing the door on Shebesh's face or (2) ordering his security, who were right by his side, to take her away, gonad squeeze or not aside... B6K, I am not saying that what Kidero did is the thing to do whenever someone does what Shebesh did. I am only only recognizing human qualities that would have put Kidero into a position to do what he did. If you irritate a person within a foot of his nose, he or she can do something unreasoned in anger. In that consideration I think Shebesh bears more responsibility for what happened. By the way B6K, you might have missed something I said of how this incident could even have unfolded fatally for Shebesh in the US (the civilized world). In many states of the US there is a "stand your ground law" which someone in Kidero's position could kill another in Shebesh's position in that encounter, and he walks.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2013 21:26:33 GMT 3
Gathara's World Freshly squeezed brain juice. Monday, September 09, 2013 The Sin Of Being Fe Monday, September 09, 2013 The Sin Of Being Female In the last few days, our airwaves and social media accounts are inundated with opinions on what the verbal and physical abuse perpetrated against a female journalist and a female MP mean. I came across an online discussion where some were suggesting that the public humiliation of Kiss FM presenter Caroline Mutoko and Nairobi Women's Representative Rachel Shebesh at the hands of Nairobi Senator Gideon “Sonko” Mbuvi and Nairobi Governor Evans Kidero, was a ploy to distract attention from the President and his deputy's problems with the ICC. I personally find it disturbing that some evidently regarded discussing the violence, humiliation, sexism and exploitation that our women suffer daily as a distraction from more important issues. How we treat our women is a measure of how we regard ourselves as a society. After all, Wanjiku has become a synonym for ordinary folk, both male and female. We speak of the motherland and ascribe a feminine gender to our national collective. Kenya is a “she” and has “her” interests, we say. The disdain we have for women mirrors the contempt our rulers have for us. When Kidero slaps Shebesh and Sonko insults Mutoko, they are not just putting powerful women in their place. They are expressing their contempt and fear of an empowered society, of a populace that dares to question the actions of their betters. In my view, the problem isn't that people are talking about Sonko and Kidero. It is that they are ONLY talking about Sonko and Kidero. Not about how they are representative of a societal disdain of women. Not that this attitude is responsible for the silence on the rape epidemic in our towns, the horrors beading and FGM and domestic violence, the lack of investment in maternal health which leads women to be beaten by hospital staff after being forced to give birth on the floor. It is why when we discuss abortion, we are blind to the dangers that pregnancy poses to women. We have one of the highest rates of maternal deaths in the world. Many lose their jobs or have to forgo their schooling for having the temerity to conceive unwanted kids. Many are ostracized by their families and abandoned by their men. Many have no incomes, no education, no support , to take care of the kids we insist they bear. We refuse to invest in girls education, to protect them, to empower them, to provide sex education and contraception preferring instead to blame them, to call them fornicators and adulterers and murderers, to turn a self-righteous blind eye as they die in their thousands or get maimed for life at the hands of backstreet quacks. It is never about the men.It is never about the abuse of power. Accept and move on, we tell women. Suck it up. It's your lot as a woman. You must have done something to deserve it. It is just punishment for your immorality, for the sin of being female. The parallels between how we speak of the abuse meted out against women and how we speak about the violence meted out against us are hard to ignore. It is always our fault. We drive too fast. We are too tribal or stupid or lazy or ignorant. It is never the fault of those who steal elections or organize and perpetrate the violence. It is never about the brutality, negligence and corruption of officials and officers. It is all our fault for making stupid decisions at the ballot box and we must pay taxes to fund our potentates’ lifestyles as just punishment for our guilt. The poor must forgo drinking milk because the government must have the revenues to build roads for the rich. We do not demand accountability or better because we do not think we deserve such. Thus the talk on the ICC trials almost completely ignores and excludes the victims. We are only concerned about the safety of the powerful, about what their prosecution means and about whether they are being treated fairly. That 1600 Kenyans died five years ago barely registers. Who cares about them or their stories or their families? Just like the treatment of Mutoko and Shebesh is seen as a distraction, the demand for justice is portrayed as a distraction from the more important pursuit of economic development. Just as Shebesh's husband apparently feels it is he, not his wife, who deserves an apology from Kidero, the powerful see our lives and livelihoods as mere fodder for their ambitions and can stipulate that accords between political leaders can be a substitute for justice. No. This is not a frivolous issue or a distraction. It is a conversation we should be having but one we are determined to ignore precisely because it is about women. And because it is really about us. gathara.blogspot.ca/2013/09/the-sin-of-being-female.html
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Post by mank on Sept 9, 2013 21:33:58 GMT 3
B6k $ Kathure-K I was waiting, hoping that Shebbesh would deny the report, and allegation that she 'man' ::)handled her watchman! I have not yet gotten wind of such a denial. Then I think Kidero wins in the boardroom deal. www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000093029&story_title=kidero-what-was-she-doing-around-my-lower-abdomen&pageNo=2and the KEWOPA thing of Mbarire and the rest are here on the war-path [kenya women parliamentary association] www.nation.co.ke/news/Women+MPs+demand+Kidero+resignation+/-/1056/1983060/-/k0mk74z/-/index.htmlKEWOPA and FIDA are then immediately revealed, outted, as parochial, imbalanced organisations. Hypocrites. If Kidero has to RESIGN FOR CONDUCT UNBECOMING ----hitting a poor woman while he is a public figure and should be an example [resignation being a recognition of a MORAL OFFENCE and not necessarily due to [possible] criminal conviction. (That INTEGRITY CLAUSE WE KILLED when we hired EUGENE WAMALWA to replace MUTUALA KILONZO at justice! comes back to haunt us]---- then why has SUPKEM AND FIDA not used the same standards on the Nairobi women's rep? [seeing she has not denied assaulting a watchman? and indeed the police has a registered complaint against her?] So it is because Kidero is a man? and as James Brown sang: it is a man's world, but it gonna be a woman's world some day! man, you better prepare your balls for a kick! This is when progressive Kenyans disappoint me! It is obvious these women are not defending Shebbesh and roasting Kidero on principle! She is their friend, and this is sister-solidarity! Watchmen working for sisters are fair game as Nereah would say! WAKE ME UP, WHEN THE BATTLE IS AGAINST THE PHYSICAL ABUSE OF ALL KENYANS! EVEN INFANTS, like this one! That story, is sure a sister who needed someone to fight her corner! Shebbesh Kidero? blame it on the Chinese Money! Jakaswanga, blame it on Mank for not posting the entire story (or the link) from where he got that picture since on the Sunday Nation 21 hours ago some of us read.... excerpt: "In an exclusive interview with the Nation on Sunday, Mr Frank Shebesh said he had received calls from Dr Kidero’s allies apologising on the governor’s behalf." excerpt: "Mr Shebesh, who was accompanied by his wife, said if Dr Kidero continued “peddling lies that he was assaulted by his wife’, then he would take the matter to court." In short, Rachael isn't addressing the Kidero allegations herself, it is her hubby who has taken centre stage to take the Nairobi governor head on for daring to slap "his woman". excerpt: " Mr Shebesh, who said he has never beaten his wife, termed Dr Kidero’s move to report the matter to the police as “an act of impunity and a deceptive ploy meant to hoodwink the law enforcement agencies.”
He added that when he received the news on his mobile phone, he felt he should have been there to defend his wife. “My first thoughts were that I wish I was there. I felt that it was very unfortunate that I was not there…to protect her defenceless soul from that barbaric act,” he said." ...and then way down in the story, enter Rachael Shebesh... "Mrs Shebesh said that the incident would not cow her in her efforts to defend the rights women and workers." ...& then (oops!) Sonko.... Read more here: www.nation.co.ke/news/Shebesh+ready+to+forgive+Kidero/-/1056/1984590/-/o7ifq5/-/index.htmlYes I have also heard about the "Kidero dared over-shadow Muthamaki's China goodies report" with his coup of deals for Nairobi County but I will file that along with the swift grip to the groin column for now, until it's proven otherwise That women are their own worst enemies is something that is known to all...even to KK wa Jukwaa as she admitted above Ayayayaya B6K, What am I being blamed for? Missing the link? I did not twist the story ... even after you post the whole story, my commentary remains solid.
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Post by b6k on Sept 9, 2013 21:37:55 GMT 3
b6k you're a piece of work. Before I respond to anything else, tell me where it is that I said what you've written here. "That women are their own worst enemies is something that is known to all...even to KK wa Jukwaa as she admitted above" Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/posts/recent#ixzz2eQ6X4fXG I've said this a thousand times and I'll say it again. Women as a group are not homogeneous. There are commonalities in the ways all women experience patriarchy, but also very importantly, there are specificities in the ways we experience the patriarchy. So, those women akina Mbarire, being as they are comprador, do not have the interests of Kenyan women at heart. What they do have is their own self interest of joining the mboys club. They are the sort of women who once they find themselves at the pinnacle of power; a place they could only ascend to because of the work of feminists and women in general, pull up the ladder so no other women can come up that same ladder. Oppressive systems can absorb a few folks from marginalized groups. Under pressure brought to bear by progressive forces, oppressive forces always absorbs a few from marginalized groups. A few women, a few gays, a few blacks, a few of the disabled and so on.
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Post by b6k on Sept 9, 2013 21:41:13 GMT 3
Mank, I see this differently. In civilized societies when a pest comes your, way you call in animal control (911 in the US... I hear 999 is up & working in KE but we've been warned not to "test" to make sure it's working it lest you be prosecuted) & whatever "wild animal" is in your home, face, or whatever will be humanely taken away to its natural habitat. Kidero could've maintained the moral highground by (1) closing the door on Shebesh's face or (2) ordering his security, who were right by his side, to take her away, gonad squeeze or not aside... B6K, I am not saying that what Kidero did is the thing to do whenever someone does what Shebesh did. I am only only recognizing human qualities that would have put Kidero into a position to do what he did. If you irritate a person within a foot of his nose, he or she can do something unreasoned in anger. In that consideration I think Shebesh bears more responsibility for what happened. Mank, keep in mind the old adage against sinking to your opponents level or the other of ensuring you maintain the higher moral ground. This is where Kidero failed all Nairobians & Kenyans in general. Many of us assumed he was made of better stuff than the Shebesh's, Sonko's or Waititu's of this world. Now we know better...
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Post by b6k on Sept 9, 2013 21:48:15 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, blame it on Mank for not posting the entire story (or the link) from where he got that picture since on the Sunday Nation 21 hours ago some of us read.... excerpt: "In an exclusive interview with the Nation on Sunday, Mr Frank Shebesh said he had received calls from Dr Kidero’s allies apologising on the governor’s behalf." excerpt: "Mr Shebesh, who was accompanied by his wife, said if Dr Kidero continued “peddling lies that he was assaulted by his wife’, then he would take the matter to court." In short, Rachael isn't addressing the Kidero allegations herself, it is her hubby who has taken centre stage to take the Nairobi governor head on for daring to slap "his woman". excerpt: " Mr Shebesh, who said he has never beaten his wife, termed Dr Kidero’s move to report the matter to the police as “an act of impunity and a deceptive ploy meant to hoodwink the law enforcement agencies.”
He added that when he received the news on his mobile phone, he felt he should have been there to defend his wife. “My first thoughts were that I wish I was there. I felt that it was very unfortunate that I was not there…to protect her defenceless soul from that barbaric act,” he said." ...and then way down in the story, enter Rachael Shebesh... "Mrs Shebesh said that the incident would not cow her in her efforts to defend the rights women and workers." ...& then (oops!) Sonko.... Read more here: www.nation.co.ke/news/Shebesh+ready+to+forgive+Kidero/-/1056/1984590/-/o7ifq5/-/index.htmlYes I have also heard about the "Kidero dared over-shadow Muthamaki's China goodies report" with his coup of deals for Nairobi County but I will file that along with the swift grip to the groin column for now, until it's proven otherwise That women are their own worst enemies is something that is known to all...even to KK wa Jukwaa as she admitted above Ayayayaya B6K, What am I being blamed for? Missing the link? I did not twist the story ... even after you post the whole story, my commentary remains solid. Mank, in the context that Jakaswanga was talking about (ie not seeing any rebuttal against the Kidero gonad assault allegation) your omission of posting the link led him to believe the Shebeshs' were "busted" to the point of keeping mum about its absurdity. Yes your commentary (as per your point of view) remains solid, but you lifted only the apology to husband part & ignored the part where same said husband denied his wife could... stoop so low against Kidero
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2013 21:55:05 GMT 3
b6k you're a piece of work. Before I respond to anything else, tell me where it is that I said what you've written here. "That women are their own worst enemies is something that is known to all...even to KK wa Jukwaa as she admitted above" Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/posts/recent#ixzz2eQ6X4fXG I've said this a thousand times and I'll say it again. Women as a group are not homogeneous. There are commonalities in the ways all women experience patriarchy, but also very importantly, there are specificities in the ways we experience the patriarchy. So, those women akina Mbarire, being as they are comprador, do not have the interests of Kenyan women at heart. What they do have is their own self interest of joining the mboys club. They are the sort of women who once they find themselves at the pinnacle of power; a place they could only ascend to because of the work of feminists and women in general, pull up the ladder so no other women can come up that same ladder. Oppressive systems can absorb a few folks from marginalized groups. Under pressure brought to bear by progressive forces, oppressive forces always absorbs a few from marginalized groups. A few women, a few gays, a few blacks, a few of the disabled and so on. You're pretty daft b6k. I like a challenge man! You think you can pass what I said off for what you've mischievously misconstrued. I'll be back later.
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 9, 2013 22:09:34 GMT 3
AYAYAYAYA! Jakaswanga, Ayayayaya , you have ...........Kidero!! fill in the blanks - I agree this will make a good rap video. The ringtone idea by Mank is equally good! ---now the battle over the copyrights! FIDA and KEWOPA [kenya women parliamentary association] have, I am afraid, been caught on the wrong foot, following the reveletions of Shebbesh's own violent past! tHEY should also have tried what we call ... 'on the other hand' ... the storming of the governors meeting may not have been the wisest of choices, given the circumstances! --tHAT Is introducing one of Mank's famous habits, the nuance! [tHAT is when Man-K is not into those sibling things like the cat-fights he occassionaly indulges sister Kathure-K with!] MAY be had had not yet seen the viral video by the time he was affecting the memory loss --- But some of the weirdest things I have heard are these: --Kidero was trying to block a slap from Shebbesh, but the block went off course ---this was offered by a group of women from Nairobi! It is on a KTN newsreel! It was a hi-five gone wrong! Shebbesh's hand should hav been in the air to meet Kidero's, live volleballers do to celebrate or block! --Shebbesh, by a movement orchestrated between the thumb and middle-finger ---the way doctors tap a syringe once filled-- tapped Kidero's sehemu nyeti. And a bull thinking it is castration day will react in a certain way! LIKELy TO lead to Ayayayayayas! I admit I am a bit of an old sexist. I abhor the physical mistreatment of women, even if they deserve it ---and they usually do! I do not care whether Sonko and Joho break their teeth, nor whether Miguna and Terminator roll in the mud. But African women? they have been victims of heinous crimes for centuries. If I had been in that melee, I still would have punched Kidero --even if I found Shebbesh extremely uncouth! A man just gotta go with his heart sometimes! Kidero is physically strong. I know Shebbesh looks mighty too, but Kidero still has the advantage. He should turned her around, and slapped her phat butt loudly! Ayayayayya! Kidero you slapped my fat butt! would have not called for a resignation, and no PR disaster neither. ---She forgot to say Mr. Governor! She should know people!
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Post by b6k on Sept 9, 2013 22:13:23 GMT 3
Your pretty daft b6k. I like a challenge man! You think you can pass what I said off for what you've misconstrued. I'll be back later. Daft? Kathure how can you go about using language unbecoming of Jukwaa on a fellow Jukwaaist especially on a thread that came to being thanks to similar (if not worse) language (&/or actions) that has the propensity to induce primal reactions from the lower abdomen?!! Did you miss OO's thread titled "On Insults" or something to that effect? Anyway, I will do the gentlemanly thing and await your return... Mank, I seem to be hearing you clearer now....
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 9, 2013 22:18:55 GMT 3
Ayayayaya B6K, What am I being blamed for? Missing the link? I did not twist the story ... even after you post the whole story, my commentary remains solid. No Amigo, we okay! I meant Shebbesh is not denying assaulting her watchman, which pretty denies her any moral high ground against Kidero. And a pity FIDA and the rest have not factored in, the implications of the Shebbesh-Watchman altercation. By the way why do we never refer to her as Mrs. Shebbesh? And it is not so odd to apologise to a husband. His ego, seing another man slap his wife life that, could be more bruised than the cheeks of the lady! And a bruised ego needs a heftier message to heal than a slapped cheek! ---So go for it, Kidero, go! apologise to Shebbesh!
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 9, 2013 22:29:29 GMT 3
Your pretty daft b6k. I like a challenge man! You think you can pass what I said off for what you've misconstrued. I'll be back later. Daft? Kathure how can you go about using language unbecoming of Jukwaa on a fellow Jukwaaist especially on a thread that came to being thanks to similar (if not worse) language (&/or actions) that has the propensity to induce primal reactions from the lower abdomen?!! Did you miss OO's thread titled "On Insults" or something to that effect? Anyway, I will do the gentlemanly thing and await your return... Mank, I seem to be hearing you clearer now.... I think it is you who started it by clearly stating that 'you were missing Kathure on this thread'! Now that she is here and on top of things, I do not see why you should not just enjoy it! I also notice you dubbed Einstein the lost one. Between lost and ghost is a very fine line which you, O cheeky B6k, might want to ponder to its 'eerish' conclusion!
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Post by mank on Sept 9, 2013 22:48:31 GMT 3
Daft? Kathure how can you go about using language unbecoming of Jukwaa on a fellow Jukwaaist especially on a thread that came to being thanks to similar (if not worse) language (&/or actions) that has the propensity to induce primal reactions from the lower abdomen?!! Did you miss OO's thread titled "On Insults" or something to that effect? Anyway, I will do the gentlemanly thing and await your return... Mank, I seem to be hearing you clearer now.... I think it is you who started it by clearly stating that 'you were missing Kathure on this thread'! Now that she is here and on top of things, I do not see why you should not just enjoy it! I also notice you dubbed Einstein the lost one. Between lost and ghost is a very fine line which you, O cheeky B6k, might want to ponder to its 'eerish' conclusion! ... and I saw you trying to get me a few names. Naughty you B6K, I knew you would get me. ... and as Jakaswanga wishes you, yes, please enjoy your special request (Rofi should come a few more colours).
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Post by patriotism101 on Sept 10, 2013 5:09:58 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, e a point. The very same said civilized societies have extremely professional security protocols. For I wont go as far as extremely professional - but I appreciate your point. I can imagine the mboys with a taser- - or the city council askaris with stima mkononi. Ayayayayaya........kidero will be a common place.
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Post by b6k on Sept 10, 2013 9:06:21 GMT 3
Ayayayaya B6K, What am I being blamed for? Missing the link? I did not twist the story ... even after you post the whole story, my commentary remains solid. No Amigo, we okay! I meant Shebbesh is not denying assaulting her watchman, which pretty denies her any moral high ground against Kidero. And a pity FIDA and the rest have not factored in, the implications of the Shebbesh-Watchman altercation. By the way why do we never refer to her as Mrs. Shebbesh? And it is not so odd to apologise to a husband. His ego, seing another man slap his wife life that, could be more bruised than the cheeks of the lady! And a bruised ego needs a heftier message to heal than a slapped cheek! ---So go for it, Kidero, go! apologise to Shebbesh! Jakaswanga, although the outting of the story of Shebesh slapping a watchie may well have leaked from Kidero's camp, I doubt the Shebeshs' have heard it uttered from the lips of Kidero himself to make it part of the lies they are refuting that came from him. Also, as I said earlier, Rachael Shebesh as a politician lacks any high ground in anything, moral or otherwise. You could say she's as good as Waititu in a skirt! As to why she isn't referred to as Mrs Shebesh, the relevant question would be why she isn't referred to as Mrs Amundo or whatever Frank's real surname is. Shebesh was a nickname from his rugby days, I'm told. Is she banned by the wider Amundo family from assuming that name, one wonders? It would be the equivalent of our missuses being referred to as Mrs Jakaswanga or Mrs B6k! Frank has been married to Rachael for quite some time now. I'm sure by now his ego is well accustomed to the odd take down by his over-achieving spouse...
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Post by b6k on Sept 10, 2013 9:11:30 GMT 3
Daft? Kathure how can you go about using language unbecoming of Jukwaa on a fellow Jukwaaist especially on a thread that came to being thanks to similar (if not worse) language (&/or actions) that has the propensity to induce primal reactions from the lower abdomen?!! Did you miss OO's thread titled "On Insults" or something to that effect? Anyway, I will do the gentlemanly thing and await your return... Mank, I seem to be hearing you clearer now.... I think it is you who started it by clearly stating that 'you were missing Kathure on this thread'! Now that she is here and on top of things, I do not see why you should not just enjoy it! I also notice you dubbed Einstein the lost one. Between lost and ghost is a very fine line which you, O cheeky B6k, might want to ponder to its 'eerish' conclusion! Jakaswanga, I didn't say I was missing KK but rather that her silence on a gender issue was rather telling. She misconstrued my comment & read into it that I was missing her! But like her I am also up to any challenge so I will stand my ground right here by my office door & await her return. Dishing out E-slaps on Jukwaa is my forte after all... As for the lost "ghost", Einstein, he has taken to being a sniper on Jukwaa. The odd one liner here, the odd hahahaha there. Boy we need another election soon to get the other side engaged again!
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Post by b6k on Sept 10, 2013 9:14:55 GMT 3
I think it is you who started it by clearly stating that 'you were missing Kathure on this thread'! Now that she is here and on top of things, I do not see why you should not just enjoy it! I also notice you dubbed Einstein the lost one. Between lost and ghost is a very fine line which you, O cheeky B6k, might want to ponder to its 'eerish' conclusion! ... and I saw you trying to get me a few names. Naughty you B6K, I knew you would get me. ... and as Jakaswanga wishes you, yes, please enjoy your special request (Rofi should come a few more colours). Guilty as charged! Lakini the battle is still on. I may still have the last laugh, amigo
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Post by b6k on Sept 10, 2013 9:19:56 GMT 3
I wont go as far as extremely professional - but I appreciate your point. I can imagine the mboys with a taser- - or the city council askaris with stima mkononi. Ayayayayaya........kidero will be a common place. P101, tasers in KE would last about 6 months before they would succumb to the usual effects of maintenance (or lack thereof issue), theft of parts & batteries, etc. That is to say about as long as the infamous Maruti Police cruisers lasted on our roads! My main concern would be due to lack of proper hygiene after our mboys or kajo askaris use them, one may be exposed to the HIV virus. Perish the thought...
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 10, 2013 22:23:08 GMT 3
I think it is you who started it by clearly stating that 'you were missing Kathure on this thread'! Now that she is here and on top of things, I do not see why you should not just enjoy it! I also notice you dubbed Einstein the lost one. Between lost and ghost is a very fine line which you, O cheeky B6k, might want to ponder to its 'eerish' conclusion! Jakaswanga, I didn't say I was missing KK but rather that her silence on a gender issue was rather telling. She misconstrued my comment & read into it that I was missing her! But like her I am also up to any challenge so I will stand my ground right here by my office door & await her return. Dishing out E-slaps on Jukwaa is my forte after all... As for the lost "ghost", Einstein, he has taken to being a sniper on Jukwaa. The odd one liner here, the odd hahahaha there. Boy we need another election soon to get the other side engaged again! What a sad fate for nobel price brains!? reduced to an odd ... here.. and ... there... 4:36 --Creatures crawl in search of blood to terrorise y'all neighbourhood! And whoever shall be found .... Ati somebody calls your missus mrs b6k! Jesus! AAAAHAAAAHAAAA! ha! [thriller MJ}
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Post by einstein on Sept 11, 2013 4:56:17 GMT 3
Daft? Kathure how can you go about using language unbecoming of Jukwaa on a fellow Jukwaaist especially on a thread that came to being thanks to similar (if not worse) language (&/or actions) that has the propensity to induce primal reactions from the lower abdomen?!! Did you miss OO's thread titled "On Insults" or something to that effect? Anyway, I will do the gentlemanly thing and await your return... Mank, I seem to be hearing you clearer now.... I think it is you who started it by clearly stating that 'you were missing Kathure on this thread'! Now that she is here and on top of things, I do not see why you should not just enjoy it! I also notice you dubbed Einstein the lost one. Between lost and ghost is a very fine line which you, O cheeky B6k, might want to ponder to its 'eerish' conclusion! I think it is you who started it by clearly stating that 'you were missing Kathure on this thread'! Now that she is here and on top of things, I do not see why you should not just enjoy it! I also notice you dubbed Einstein the lost one. Between lost and ghost is a very fine line which you, O cheeky B6k, might want to ponder to its 'eerish' conclusion! Jakaswanga, I didn't say I was missing KK but rather that her silence on a gender issue was rather telling. She misconstrued my comment & read into it that I was missing her! But like her I am also up to any challenge so I will stand my ground right here by my office door & await her return. Dishing out E-slaps on Jukwaa is my forte after all... As for the lost "ghost", Einstein, he has taken to being a sniper on Jukwaa. The odd one liner here, the odd hahahaha there. Boy we need another election soon to get the other side engaged again! Guys,Here is the odd one liner Einstein aka the lost "ghost"! I hope that ALL of you who have been screaming my name realise that you are ALL my juniors on Jukwaa. All the time that Einstein amongst other few lost "ghosts" were busy building Jukwaa to what it became till the last few months, it was the likes of b6k, Mwalimumkuu, Jakaswanga and the pseudo-intellectual daniel waweru busy spewing incoherent one liners or confused theses that never took Jukwaa anywhere! Jakaswanga specifically, who happens to know no other blog in which he can intellectually ventilate ALWAYS has the audacity to mention Einstein in his every below-par-posts intellectually speaking! I want to put it to Jakaswanga that he is a third rate historian student who always feels compelled to masquerade as a professional economist, political scientist, domestic scientist, natural scientist, social scientist, geographer, linguist, theologian, and God knows what other profession but without any deep thoughts and intellectual credence to back it all up just to make himself feel good! Jakaswanga's head is more immersed in women's a.s.s. and everything around it, in it and between it than anything else! That is exactly where his demented thoughts dwell!I will spare the rest of the 'gang-banger-crew' for today! It is really strange that the Kenyan men are only courageous when they are in a gang! If you do not believe me, just look keenly at the 'Uhuruto-gang-bang'Simply despicable cowards!! Bring it on swines, I will take you on by your fuacking dangling ears! OO, do not blame me. We (you and myself) have had this Jakaswanga and Co. issue for too long!!!Can some dunderheads learn to leave me alone please!!
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