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Post by JAHAATWACH on Jan 10, 2008 1:23:13 GMT 3
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Post by JAHAATWACH on Jan 12, 2008 1:16:44 GMT 3
In stealing the election, Mr Kibaki has also invited a dangerous backlash against his Kikuyu tribe, the country's largest. Tense tribal divisions have long threatened to widen as the minority groups, including opposition leader Raila Odinga's Luo, have come to feel marginalised by the concentration of power in Kikuyu hands.If the current violence does evolve into something worse, perhaps even civil war, Mr Kibaki and his henchmen will bear much of the blame." All the violence should certainly be condemned, but most of the diplomatic pressure should be exerted on Mr Kibaki's supposed new government to annul the results and organise a recount—or a new vote. If Mr Kibaki will not do this, the rest of the world should suspend direct aid to his regime and impose a travel ban on his officials. That is the least the wretched people of Kenya have a right to expect from their friends abroad. " - Economistwww.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10430289
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Post by JAHAATWACH on Jan 9, 2008 21:24:11 GMT 3
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Post by JAHAATWACH on Jan 9, 2008 19:28:23 GMT 3
1. In 2002,Kenyans voted to a man to Kibaki with WITH THE ETHNIC LUO VOTES higher than KIKUYU VOTE.Why has Kibaki been unable to consolidate this democratic gain?
2. Do you agree with me that Kibaki never choose politics but instead politics chose him which explain his blighted presidency?
3. As a devout loyalist with fingers on the pulse of Kibaki's constituency, what, if any, is the overriding concern, fear, challenge and priority and how is it being addressed?
4. Do you agree with me when I say the fate of the masses- backed Orange revolution was sealed the day Kibaki angrily reacted to ODM's majimbo plan and vowed : HAITAWEZEKANA( never!)?
5. Comment ODM's forensic evidence on Kibaki's electoral fraud www.marsgroupkenya.org/pdfs/2008/jan_08/ODM_Report_On_Eck_fraud.pdf validated by ECK's Kivuitu admission, EU,LSK and local observers bearing in mind that ODM has also admitted its guilt ?
6. What, in your view, was the rationale for rushed swearing in- at dusk so much so that even the National Anthem was not played?
8. As a Kibaki loyalist, does it bother you that save for Uganda's Yuweri Museveni, no sovereign state has congratulated Kibaki and does it matter anyway?
9. Do you agree with me that as the C-I-C of Armed Forces and having taken oath to protect Kenyans lives and properties, the blame for deaths and destructions after his widely perceived flawed re-election rest on Kibaki?
10. Do you foresee Kibaki bowing to pressure and letting the will of majority Kenyans prevail?
11.Are you merely expressing your personal conviction or unwittingly conveying a cooperate mindset when you insist Raila WILL NEVER BE the president of Kenya WHEN KENYANS VOTES AND VOICES SUGGESTED OTHERWISE) ?
12. You've told Jukwaa that you have met Kibaki once, before; if you were to meet him again THIS EVENING and had his audience, wHAT WOULD YOU TELL HIM?
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Post by JAHAATWACH on Jan 9, 2008 9:52:12 GMT 3
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Post by JAHAATWACH on Jan 10, 2008 0:46:16 GMT 3
Ndugu Oloo, Its suprising and a tragedy that we lost Chem22 as a member. He had a valid argument and his contributions will be missed thanks to your hasty actions. The reason I support his sentiment is simple and will put forth my reasoning and sources: [B/]Even before the elections were held, there was propaganda circulating in Kenya pitting the Kenyans against each other. [/B] The ODM politicians were strutting the ODM nation making inflammatory statements of "ngoja wataona". I have a Luo and Sabaot friend that I can arrange a meet with you to verify the above. The PNU politicians on the other hand were strutting PNU nation with inflammatory statements that inflicted suspicions. Statements were made of "Hard earned properties will be allocated to the poor" and that the presidency should not leave Mt.Kenya for the security of GEMA businesses. I can attest to these facts. [/B]Lists of Kikuyu government employees were circulated to create the notion that only GEMA were occupying top jobs [/B] Ndugu Oloo would you agree that GEMA make up over 30% of the Kenyan population? One would expect a people who make up 30% of the population to have a noticeable presence in the job market and in the economy. Its called numerical economics. In any case the Government issued a response to this fallacy and it was evident that there was a balanced job distribution in terms of proportions and ratios. Actually, some quarters are of the feeling that GEMA had a lower proportion to their ratio in the population. But the damage was already done! It was fashionable to deplore the GEMA tribes and their sympathisers. Would you say the fanning of these sentiments by both sides long before the elections played a major role in the current violence? Its my humble opinion that Both sides were set and ready for any outcome. We surely will miss Chem22 since he brought forth questions that struck a balance on this platform. [/quote] Mwanainchi, away with this false ideology of Kikuyu versus Kenyans.It is a load of nonsense aimed at distracting the nation from its critical agenda and sending some targeted populace on guilt trips. The 2007 electioneering and ballot proper was framed on change versus status quo, the change that we voted for in 2002. To say or believe the opposite is disingenuous. We must( me included) reject the temptation of turning Jukwaa into a battle field for proxy wars, where the bigots,sundry haters, zealots, trash talkers, tribalists and their equivalent others have a field day. IT IS ALWAYS FUN WHEN WE, IN JUKWAA, DO OUR THING IN THE WAY WE KNOW BEST: WHIPPING EACH OTHER WITH FACTS, FIGURES, WITTICIMS AND PLENTY OF HUMOUR.
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Post by JAHAATWACH on Jan 6, 2008 18:45:26 GMT 3
There is word that police commissioner has clashed with Alfred Mutua over the planned ODM rally on Tuesday. My source tells me that Gen. Ali has told Mutua to mind his business and let him do his job. The argument arose after Ali told Mutua that he doesn't think locking out ODM supporters from Uhuru Park is working. Ali told Mutua he's considering allowing ODM to hold the rally at Uhuru Park and just provide security because some members of the police force are complaining that the task of keeping people all over Nairobi at bay is causing fatigue in the force. Some members of the force have also openly said they don't see why they should defend Kibaki yet he was not elected. The sentiment is said to be spreading with some officers refusing to be posted to fight mobs in the slums. Could this be the end of the illegitimate Kibaki's mini house? We know the police are what's propping him in power. Credit : www.mashada.com/forums/kenya-2008/61847-tension-kenya-police-causing-panic-statehouse.html
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Post by JAHAATWACH on Jan 9, 2008 9:50:55 GMT 3
Who is it that talked of 'Adui' in reference to the Kikuyus? Kamale Kawangware. KAMALET, THIS IS THE UMPTEENTH TIME THAT YOU ARE MAKING THIS ALLEGATION [IN REFERENCE TO RAILA ODINGA]. I HAVE ASKED AROUND AND EVEN PROWLED NEWS ARCHIVE BUT LO!. CAN YOU PROVIDE INCONTROVERTIBLE EVIDENCE ON THIS. PLEASE. THANKS
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Post by JAHAATWACH on Jan 6, 2008 0:02:35 GMT 3
as i said no members of parliament no parliament ODM parliamentarians should all decline to take up their seats and we go for a mini elections I fear this may not happen.Raila is pragmatic and has a history to fall back to. Remember 1997? I also foresee the likes of Sambu warming up to Kibaki. The good news however is that political solution to 2007 impasse is engineered by America & Co.
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Post by JAHAATWACH on Jan 5, 2008 23:41:43 GMT 3
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Post by JAHAATWACH on Jan 5, 2008 23:34:53 GMT 3
By the way what exactly is your point if I may ask? You are beginning to sound like the long gone missy, your late partner. What's up? adongo Adongo, I regard this as an insult. I never expected nor saw it coming from you.
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Post by JAHAATWACH on Jan 5, 2008 23:15:39 GMT 3
Nation is projecting a different template:" On Saturday, Mr Odinga said the opposition had dropped all demands for talks, but insisted that they must be held with the help of an international mediator. After her meeting with President Kibaki, Dr Frazer said she was optimistic that all parties would work to restore normalcy.
On Saturday, Mr Kibaki said in a statement that a coalition government will help resolve the current political situation and help in healing and uniting Kenyans.
At a separate press conference at Pentagon House after meeting Dr Frazer, Mr Odinga said he was prepared for talks with the President Kibaki.
He said he was not putting any preconditions to the talks, but asked Mr Kibaki to appreciate that the country was in turmoil and agree to an international mediator.
“We are ready for dialogue. The sooner (President) Kibaki agrees to talk, the better for our country. As indicated before, we will walk an extra mile for peace. We are for a peaceful resolution of the standoff,” he said. politics.nationmedia.com/inner.asp?pcat=NEWS&cat=TOP&sid=1214
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Post by JAHAATWACH on Jan 5, 2008 22:45:20 GMT 3
Adongo, what in your opinion, should ODM do if Kibaki call for the official opening of Parliament next week after gazettement of the MPs:should ODM and allies boycott the swearing in ceremony, election of Speaker,Chief Whip and Committee Chairmen?
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Post by JAHAATWACH on Jan 5, 2008 21:05:52 GMT 3
to tell u the truth, i feel sorry for tinga and if elections were to be held today, i would vote for him coz, its so so unfair what was done to him, there is no explanation that can heal the wound. One last one Missy, zambaza this maoni to everyone you know in the House of Mumbi, let it spread to the ridges,the mountains and lush central prairies,where Njambaa's victory was interpreted as a call to arms. Tell them Missy that Kenyans are pragmatic, that they forgive,that they have,can,should and will love and laugh together, that they want peace. But all depend on the Nyumba. If only there were million Missys........Peace my daughter, peace!
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Post by JAHAATWACH on Jan 5, 2008 20:43:29 GMT 3
Missy, just before you go, here is my lullaby:
Another thing Missy, we are wrath because we wanted change, change from the flips and flops, from the slaps and matusis and all that.
We are angry because the iconic House of Mumbi which falters by the day want to retain the presidency as a family hierloom, at least thats what the Gema's block vote, Ngugi Wathiongo's exhortation, Kibaki's proclivity and Uhuru's posturing makes us believe.
Missy, we are tired, Kenyans are tired,tired, I say tired.
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Post by JAHAATWACH on Jan 5, 2008 20:23:57 GMT 3
Ok Missy,
Tell us, tell Jukwaa what we gonna do, what we gonna do now that your loyalty is Kibaki, Kibaki whose victory is in doubt, doubted by even Kabogo in Juja and Kivuitu of ECK,doubted by America and EU and all the world leaders who are yet to congratulate Kibaki,doubted by 4 million Kenyans who voted for Njambaa,Our Njambaa ,Kenya's Njambaa, the Njambaa who led in 6 out of 8 provinces, Njambaa who has led in all but one previous Opinion polls. Yes,Missy,tell us?
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Post by JAHAATWACH on Jan 5, 2008 20:05:35 GMT 3
ha ha ha , you amaze me sir/madam.... i voted kibaki, and ..... am kenyan to... u can go to hell Welcome to Jukwaa, the next big thing in your life and trust me baby, you gonna have fun here.
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Post by JAHAATWACH on Jan 5, 2008 19:54:46 GMT 3
Missy,
You may have noticed by now that Jukwaa is bursting at its seams with pro-change agents, arguably some of the best brains in Kenya and diaspora.They are in foul mood, angry at the happenings in Kenya. In Luo, what you are doing is called Goyo Siboi,a colloquialism for celebrating others grief. Very despicable indeed!
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Post by JAHAATWACH on Jan 3, 2008 0:20:37 GMT 3
PNU and ODM power sharing formula. PNU -Head of state - Chief Justice + AG -Defence,Internal Security,Finance ministries -Deputy Speaker of National Assembly -Chief Whip
ODM -Speaker of National Assembly -Vice-President + Chief Minister+ Leader Of G.B -Foreign Affairs,Health,Education,Trade/commerce and Local Government ministries -Deputy-Chief Whip
* Disband and reconstitute ECK( PNU-Chairman, ODM Vice-Chairman) *New constitution within 90 days.
*Kibaki and Raila to initiate NATIONAL RELIEF FUND for victims of those who perished in the post-election violence.
*Mass burial for victims and a day of national mourning.
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Post by JAHAATWACH on Jan 2, 2008 23:51:34 GMT 3
Oloo, has Jukwaa sank this low? THIS....... Kipsang, ........my word to you is you either shut up or bring you black asses over to Kenya........ AND THEN THIS...... I thought you still think of me as a piece of genitalia you did not like, notwithstanding your known preferences?.
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Post by JAHAATWACH on Dec 30, 2007 23:49:50 GMT 3
Government voices 'real concerns' over Kenya election 'irregularities'
LONDON (AFP) — Foreign Secretary David Miliband on Sunday expressed "real concerns" at "irregularities" reported in the Kenyan presidential elections.
Miliband urged leaders in Nairobi to work together to address the irregularities noted by European Union observers and others, in a joint statement with International Development Secretary Douglas Alexander.
The pair said deaths in election-related violence -- in which 18 people have died since Thursday's ballot -- had marred the election in the former British colony, which became independent in 1963.
"This is a pivotal moment for Kenya, a time when the democratic process and election outcome has to be seen to be fair in the eyes of the Kenyan people," they said.
"We congratulate Kenyan voters for conducting their vote in an orderly and dignified manner."But we have real concerns at the irregularities reported by the EU observers and others.
"We call on all Kenya's political leaders and democratic institutions to work together to address those concerns, seriously, in a spirit of unity, and in a way which will bring the respect and support of the Kenyan people.
"Those leaders must also ensure the safety of Kenya's people -- the tragic deaths this weekend have marred an otherwise peaceful election."That violence must not be repeated."
Britain looks forward to working with a legitimately elected government of Kenya, they added.
Mwai Kibaki was sworn in Sunday for a second term as Kenyan president as supporters of pipped opposition leader Raila Odinga rioted in major cities saying the election was rigged.
EU election observers in Kenya said Sunday that the country's electoral commission had failed to ensure the vote's credibility.
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Post by JAHAATWACH on Dec 30, 2007 23:47:54 GMT 3
JUST IN....
UK DOUBTS kibaki's victory.
Foreign Secretary David Miliband is quoted in BBC 4 NEWS raising UK's concern on the outcome of the elections.
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Post by JAHAATWACH on Dec 30, 2007 16:04:14 GMT 3
ODM: ECK Announced Results for 48 Constituencies Without F16A ECK put in a quagmire, as ODM demands certified documentary evidence
The ODM has just addressed a packed press conference indicating that presidential results from a total of 48 constituencies were doctored to favour President Kibaki. Interestingly, the press conference was held at the ECK press centre in the presence of their PNU counterparts - who listened wide-eyed!
The press statement read by Eldoret North MP elect and pentagon member - William Ruto - was to show that someone within the ECK headquarters in Nairobi has marked-up figures so as to deprive Kenyans of their true leaders. This complaint has already been formally filed with ECK yesterday.
For example, according to Ruto, Igembe South constituencies form16A - specifically flown in by chatter flight at the expense of ODM - shows that Kibaki garnered 45,029, while the ECK announced 60,050 votes! Similarly in Kieni constituency Kibaki garnered 54,377 while the ECK announced 72,054! What is shocking however, is that in Juja Kibaki garnered 48,293 votes but the ECK announced 100,390 votes and the sum total of parliamentary votes cast were 85,000 votes. In other words, 15,000 voters came and voted for Kibaki as president - and then walked away without bothering with parliamentary and civic polls! Mwea constituency is another example where form16A shows Kibaki garnered 62,374 votes but the ECK "awarded" him 82,374 votes, while in Molo it was actually 50,175 for Kibaki while the ECK gave him 74,474.
The ODM is saying, if elections were about awarding votes, ECK may as well give Kibaki 500,00 votes for free!
ODM has vowed that unless the ECK backs up its announcement with certified documentary evidence, ladies and gentlemen, this country is headed to the dogs.
ODM further insists that the figures they have tabled are in public domain. The press and all political parties have figures and any variance with ECK officially announced figures is unacceptable.
According to ODM tallying, and as reported by this blogger yesterday, the presidential election results between the top two candidates are as follows:-
Raila: 4,215,437 Kibaki: 3,748,261
Period!!!
Dr. Bishop Margaret Wanjiru has conducted very passionate prayers for the country after the ODM press conference.
Raila had earlier been interviewed by German TV channel - and Raila speaking in German - informed the country that all ODM agents have now arrived with the actual results that were signed by representatives of all political parties and have also this morning be made to swear affidavits.
The country Kenya is presently walking on thin ice and I ASK AGAIN: Will Kivuitu take my unsolicited advise and nullify presidential polls, if not confirm Raila as president?
Or did someone give Kivuitu a job that is far above his capabilities?
PNU are now about to address their own press conference at the same venue. Watch this space.
Courtesy:http://kumekucha.blogspot.com/
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Post by JAHAATWACH on Dec 30, 2007 19:38:09 GMT 3
pinyni ka ngiye, pinyni karange mos, pinyni kanone to wabiro ringo gwe lee
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Post by JAHAATWACH on Dec 27, 2007 23:34:13 GMT 3
Seems pollsters were right. This is a cliff-hanger.
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