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Post by johns on Apr 1, 2011 4:07:48 GMT 3
Reporter,
I dont know what makes you think it is only your opinion that matter over this issue on this board. Nobody question his right to air his opinion and the Prime Minister of Kenya is not yours alone to protect. I have always thought you were a reasonable person who would see sense to what others are saying.
How does it hurt Miguna if he just opines an article and say whatever he wants without attaching his association to the Prime minister? If you can not see logic from people who mean well, then at the rate you are going and foaming over the mouth you might need Prozac probably now.
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Post by nalinali on Apr 1, 2011 4:10:20 GMT 3
Reporter Your defense of Miguna is admirable, but stop and wonder whether pointing out the excesses of one Oped piece translates into hatred of Miguna and or ODM and Raila. Unless stated it would be unfair to weave all that is being said about this article into a subject for dimorphic flaunting of them-versus us play book. It does not work that way and it is simplistic. Seems to me most of the views expressed mainly against Miguna's stylistic template in respect of this singular piece came from all sides and one is not necessarily wishing the worst of ODM by doing so. It may be time for you to chill out before the ennui of your defense becomes contagious. You have said enough. Relax. nalinali Jukwaa is a free forum everyone has a right to post and you don't have to read my posts, any posts on here I feel like replying to I will do so with pleasure.. it is not about ODM or PNU supporters here.. get it right .. I post here as an individual and will continue doing so.. ati ODM & PNU supporters agree on Miguna's criticisms on here.. well that is their prerogative ... Miguna like any other citizen of Kenya has a right to his/her personal opinion and I will keep repeating... you don't like it then too bad .. chill out! I am simply saying that you are beginning to fail the moderation test which is the same argument being advanced against that piece. This is my last piece on this thread and I will chill out as you say. but remember this; in enlightened discourse, you do not win an argument by investing in tedium and distaste. Your call
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 1, 2011 4:15:22 GMT 3
Reporter, I dont know what makes you think it is only your opinion that matter over this issue on this board. Nobody question his right to air his opinion and the Prime Minister of Kenya is not yours alone to protect. I have always thought you were a reasonable person who would see sense to what others are saying. How does it hurt Miguna if he just opines an article and say whatever he wants without attaching his association to the Prime minister? If you can not see logic from people who mean well, then at the rate you are going and foaming over the mouth you might need Prozac probably now. oops!! touched raw nerves on here.. good for Miguna.. I can see you are going to have sleepless nights.. Ocampo 6 are heading to Hague and Miguna including all Kenyans can shout on top of their voices with JOY especially the IDP's and those who lost their loved ones in cold blooded senseless murders! stop your nonsense trying to use the Miguna's advisory position to the PM calling for his sacking just because he voiced his personal opinions on the Ocampo 6 utter rubbish... try your propaganda and innuendo's else where.. your childish utterance on here ain't working... but keep em coming ;D
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Post by Luol Deng on Apr 1, 2011 4:17:39 GMT 3
Reporter,
Haven't we spoken out against the Ocampo 6 here? Haven't other ODM members done so? But we sure haven't trivialised it to the level of I am a qualified barrister & solicitor this, you went to a commercial college that. What does any of that bullsh*t have with the Ocampo 6 anyway. Is it that people with 'inferior' qualifications are predisposed to criminality or something? It is not the first time I have read of his qualifications, I frankly don't care about them. As long as he is an liability in ODM, I'll speak out. I for one think he should have been fired like yesterday. But then, that is my opinion & you clearly don't share it.
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 1, 2011 4:20:40 GMT 3
nalinali Jukwaa is a free forum everyone has a right to post and you don't have to read my posts, any posts on here I feel like replying to I will do so with pleasure.. it is not about ODM or PNU supporters here.. get it right .. I post here as an individual and will continue doing so.. ati ODM & PNU supporters agree on Miguna's criticisms on here.. well that is their prerogative ... Miguna like any other citizen of Kenya has a right to his/her personal opinion and I will keep repeating... you don't like it then too bad .. chill out! I am simply saying that you are beginning to fail the moderation test which is the same argument being advanced against that piece. This is my last piece on this thread and I will chill out as you say. but remember this; in enlightened discourse, you do not win an argument by investing in tedium and distaste. Your call hey if people keep posting ridiculous and nonsensical arguments in regards to Miguna's rights to personal opinions in regards to Ocampo 6 and his right to bragging rights! ;D then there is lots of room on this forum to keep going... Meanwhile tic toc !!tic toc!! OCAMPO 6 are on the way to the Hague. at last they were issued their restricted Visa's ;D I wonder how many IDP"s will be flown in to follow the session in support of the dead!!!
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 1, 2011 4:26:13 GMT 3
Reporter, Haven't we spoken out against the Ocampo 6 here? Haven't other ODM members done so? But we sure haven't trivialised it to the level of I am a qualified barrister & solicitor this, you went to a commercial college that. What does any of that bullsh*t have with the Ocampo 6 anyway. Is it that people with 'inferior' qualifications are predisposed to criminality or something? It is not the first time I have read of his qualifications, I frankly don't care about them. As long as he is an liability in ODM, I'll speak out. I for one think he should have been fired like yesterday. But then, that is my opinion & you clearly don't share it. He has bragging rights, as any other Kenyan lets not pretend here that you have never bragged in your life.. if he chooses to brag about his CV? then why not..who gives the right to criticizes him? last I checked it is a free world ... brag brag why not! the rich brag! the famous brag and if one has worked hard on their education why shouldn't they brag about their achievements if they chose to do so? and why are you offended? it is his right... and if you don't like it too bad !
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Post by Luol Deng on Apr 1, 2011 4:29:51 GMT 3
I think I'll stop the debate at this point. I still think the fella is an unmitigated disaster
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Post by johns on Apr 1, 2011 4:41:08 GMT 3
Reporter, I dont know what makes you think it is only your opinion that matter over this issue on this board. Nobody question his right to air his opinion and the Prime Minister of Kenya is not yours alone to protect. I have always thought you were a reasonable person who would see sense to what others are saying. How does it hurt Miguna if he just opines an article and say whatever he wants without attaching his association to the Prime minister? If you can not see logic from people who mean well, then at the rate you are going and foaming over the mouth you might need Prozac probably now. oops!! touched raw nerves on here.. good for Miguna.. I can see you are going to have sleepless nights.. Ocampo 6 are heading to Hague and Miguna including all Kenyans can shout on top of their voices with JOY especially the IDP's and those who lost their loved ones in cold blooded senseless murders! stop your nonsense trying to use the Miguna's advisory position to the PM calling for his sacking just because he voiced his personal opinions on the Ocampo 6 utter rubbish... try your propaganda and innuendo's else where.. your childish utterance on here ain't working... but keep em coming ;D Reporter, Are you getting delusional or what? Show me where i asked for the sacking of Miguna from his advisory position? Please stop inventing things and think before you type. Dont just rush to your keyboard and start typing without understanding what someone is saying. Remember you are not the only one here who wants Ocampo6 tried at the Hague.
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 1, 2011 4:42:16 GMT 3
I think I'll stop the debate at this point. I still think the fella is an unmitigated disaster THAT IS YOUR OPINION JUST LIKE EVERY KENYANS HAS A RIGHT TO HIS/HERS OPINION INCLUDING WHICH INCLUDES MIGUNA'S PERSONAL OPINION ON THE OCAMPO 6 AND HIS CV BRAGGING RIGHTS ;D
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 1, 2011 4:50:40 GMT 3
oops!! touched raw nerves on here.. good for Miguna.. I can see you are going to have sleepless nights.. Ocampo 6 are heading to Hague and Miguna including all Kenyans can shout on top of their voices with JOY especially the IDP's and those who lost their loved ones in cold blooded senseless murders! stop your nonsense trying to use the Miguna's advisory position to the PM calling for his sacking just because he voiced his personal opinions on the Ocampo 6 utter rubbish... try your propaganda and innuendo's else where.. your childish utterance on here ain't working... but keep em coming ;D Reporter, Are you getting delusional or what? Show me where i asked for the sacking of Miguna from his advisory position? Please stop inventing things and think before you type. Dont just rush to your keyboard and start typing without understanding what someone is saying. Remember you are not the only one here who wants Ocampo6 tried at the Hague. John don't dictate to me what I should do or shouldn't do.. sacking of Miguna has been posted on here , hense my comments, and what do you have against Miguna expressing his personal opinions or bragging about his CV? alah! lets clear that first.. Johns do you want Uhuru Kenyatta jailed at the Hague for " funding and organizing the mungiki gangs to Murder, burn, rape innocent Kenyans? yes or no.. Johns do you want Muthuara jailed at the ICC for ordering the Police to shoot and Kill Innocent Kenyans in cold Blood? yes or no..
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Post by johns on Apr 1, 2011 5:15:44 GMT 3
Reporter,
For the umpteenth time i will repeat myself; i do not have any problem with Miguna expressing his personal opinion. For almost all, i pretty liked and enjoyed what he has so far posted, i only grinch whenever he attaches his station of office with his very own personal opinion.
Lets say you are a butler to the queen and you opine your own personal take on issues. Is there an implied effect you might derive if you signed off as: "Reporter is a butler to her Majesty", and these are his own personal opinion as in comparison to signing simply as "Reporter" and these are his own personal opinion?
And to answer your questions; yes i would like to see both Uhuru and Muthaura jailed for their complicity in the violence only if they are found guilty for the offenses they have been accused of.
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 1, 2011 5:31:05 GMT 3
Reporter, For the umpteenth time i will repeat myself; i do not have any problem with Miguna expressing his personal opinion. For almost all, i pretty liked and enjoyed what he has so far posted, i only grinch whenever he attaches his station of office with his very own personal opinion. Lets say you are a butler to the queen and you opine your own personal take on issues. Is there an implied effect you might derive if you signed off as: "Reporter is a butler to her Majesty", and these are his own personal opinion as in comparison to signing simply as "Reporter" and these are his own personal opinion? And to answer your questions; yes i would like to see both Uhuru and Muthaura jailed for their complicity in the violence only if they are found guilty for the offenses they have been accused of. Johns When Miguna post on Jukwa he posts as an individual like any other Kenyan citizen, in facts makes sure there is a disclaimer added!! "Miguna is the PM’s advisor on Coalition Affairs. The views expressed here are his own."
my question remains where does Miguna use his attached station of office when he posts o Jukwaa? you say...the facts is he is the PM's adviser, are you suggesting he should hide that fact when he posts his personal views and opinions here on jukwaa forum or any other forum for that matter?
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Post by mank on Apr 1, 2011 5:44:25 GMT 3
Reporter,
For the umpteenth time i will repeat myself; i do not have any problem with Miguna expressing his personal opinion. For almost all, i pretty liked and enjoyed what he has so far posted, i only grinch whenever he attaches his station of office with his very own personal opinion.
Lets say you are a butler to the queen and you opine your own personal take on issues. Is there an implied effect you might derive if you signed off as: "Reporter is a butler to her Majesty", and these are his own personal opinion as in comparison to signing simply as "Reporter" and these are his own personal opinion?
And to answer your questions; yes i would like to see both Uhuru and Muthaura jailed for their complicity in the violence only if they are found guilty for the offenses they have been accused of. Johns When Miguna post on Jukwa he posts as an individual like any other Kenyan citizen, in facts makes sure there is a disclaimer added!!
"Miguna is the PM’s advisor on Coalition Affairs. The views expressed here are his own."
my question remains where does Miguna use his attached station of office when he posts o Jukwaa?
you say...
the facts is he is the PM's adviser, are you suggesting he should hide that fact when he posts his personal views and opinions here on jukwaa forum or any other forum for that matter? I do not think Miguna has posted here on Jukwaa in the last 2 years.
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Post by johns on Apr 1, 2011 5:48:58 GMT 3
Reporter,
You asked the very question whose answer you have highlighted, so i really dont get it. BTW you did not respond to the illustration i offered which would simplify what you are not getting.
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 1, 2011 6:04:37 GMT 3
Reporter, You asked the very question whose answer you have highlighted, so i really dont get it. BTW you did not respond to the illustration i offered which would simplify what you are not getting. No pan intended.. your illustration had no bases on Miguna's case I ignored it.. now I will wait for Miguna to post some more of personal opinions on the Ocampo 6 and of course if he wants his bragging rights in regards to his CV!! sivyo.. I can't wait to read more..
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Post by kamalet on Apr 1, 2011 10:27:09 GMT 3
You guys make me laugh. You can never win an argument with our good Reporter 911. He is simply too daft to understand what you are saying unless you are repeating his mantra! Just translate is ID and you will see he is a reporter in need of help(911!)
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 1, 2011 16:43:33 GMT 3
You guys make me laugh. You can never win an argument with our good Reporter 911. He is simply too daft to understand what you are saying unless you are repeating his mantra! Just translate is ID and you will see he is a reporter in need of help(911!) Kamalet here we go again when you have nothings substantial to add you revert to insults! and when confronted, you run like a headless chicken behind the scenes to report to the administrator asking him to boot off members on here.. hey did you pick a leaf from your buddy Uhuru Kenyatta? he has run out of insults and threats.. it hasn't stopped his road to the HAGUE! TIC TOC! as for you and your insults save them for your warped mind!bure kabisa wewe..
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Post by jakaswanga on Apr 1, 2011 23:15:18 GMT 3
I have gone through the above exchanges pitching reporter against the rest. He never quite understands anybody's argument. He ignores or dismisses or charts off in his obcurantist nebula. Kamalet you are right, this man is like an adolescent nutter, loud on sound, zero content, like a debe. In this thread he only reports his irrelevance!
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 2, 2011 3:20:53 GMT 3
I have gone through the above exchanges pitching reporter against the rest. He never quite understands anybody's argument. He ignores or dismisses or charts off in his obcurantist nebula. Kamalet you are right, this man is like an adolescent nutter, loud on sound, zero content, like a debe. In this thread he only reports his irrelevance! Oops!! another heckler.. it is Uhuru & CO who needs your cheer-leading at the ICC hasn't your friend Kamalet advised you yet? but if you want to continue with your insults on here copycat Uhuru style ;D bring them on....
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Post by mzee on Apr 2, 2011 13:10:07 GMT 3
I have gone through the above exchanges pitching reporter against the rest. He never quite understands anybody's argument. He ignores or dismisses or charts off in his obcurantist nebula. Kamalet you are right, this man is like an adolescent nutter, loud on sound, zero content, like a debe. In this thread he only reports his irrelevance! Look before you leap, lest you break your neck. Reporter is doing the right thing. He wont support impunity and if you dont like it,just go get a tusker.
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Post by kamalet on Apr 2, 2011 13:28:28 GMT 3
You guys make me laugh. You can never win an argument with our good Reporter 911. He is simply too daft to understand what you are saying unless you are repeating his mantra! Just translate is ID and you will see he is a reporter in need of help(911!) Kamalet here we go again when you have nothings substantial to add you revert to insults! and when confronted, you run like a headless chicken behind the scenes to report to the administrator asking him to boot off members on here.. hey did you pick a leaf from your buddy Uhuru Kenyatta? he has run out of insults and threats.. it hasn't stopped his road to the HAGUE! TIC TOC! as for you and your insults save them for your warped mind!bure kabisa wewe.. Reporter911 I think you owe me an apology. Please tell me where I insulted you in my post above. If anything I said insults you because it is not true, I shall apologise. Fair?
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 2, 2011 14:04:57 GMT 3
Another rejoinder by Usman in Nairobistar
Sophie Usman 1 comment I know what I have pointed out and if Miguna was the 'real deal' just check how many votes he got during the ODM nominations! In Canada he contributed nothing in regard to 'fighting' for multiparty democracy-he was not seen in any demonstration in Toronto and Ottawa and I mean they were many of these. The Canadian government did not want to hear about us until the opposition lead by National Democratic Party (NDP) agreed to form a committee to look at our situation in Kenya about multiparty democracy. About being schooled at U of T and Osgoode School of Law.. come on we have many young Kenyans who attained higher degrees and they do not boast... as Miguna ... ask him what are reasons which he 'fleed' Canada? Ask him....
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 2, 2011 19:51:19 GMT 3
Kamalet here we go again when you have nothings substantial to add you revert to insults! and when confronted, you run like a headless chicken behind the scenes to report to the administrator asking him to boot off members on here.. hey did you pick a leaf from your buddy Uhuru Kenyatta? he has run out of insults and threats.. it hasn't stopped his road to the HAGUE! TIC TOC! as for you and your insults save them for your warped mind!bure kabisa wewe.. Reporter911 I think you owe me an apology. Please tell me where I insulted you in my post above. If anything I said insults you because it is not true, I shall apologise. Fair? Kamalet: before you use words here in reference to other members, how about checking the meaning of those words? who are you calling daft? that is an insult in the world I live in- I do not owe you an apology.. I'm waiting for your apology thank you!! secondly you don't know me personally, so which help do you think I need? reporter in need of help(911!)another added insult!!!enuff said..Meaning of Daft: 1. Mad; crazy. 2. Foolish; stupid. Informal foolish, 3. a slang word for insane
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 2, 2011 19:59:58 GMT 3
Another rejoinder by Usman in Nairobistar Sophie Usman 1 comment I know what I have pointed out and if Miguna was the 'real deal' just check how many votes he got during the ODM nominations! In Canada he contributed nothing in regard to 'fighting' for multiparty democracy-he was not seen in any demonstration in Toronto and Ottawa and I mean they were many of these. The Canadian government did not want to hear about us until the opposition lead by National Democratic Party (NDP) agreed to form a committee to look at our situation in Kenya about multiparty democracy. About being schooled at U of T and Osgoode School of Law.. come on we have many young Kenyans who attained higher degrees and they do not boast... as Miguna ... ask him what are reasons which he 'fleed' Canada? Ask him.... Let Sofia post facts to what she is referring to or allegations , there many Kenyans in Canada who will stand up for Miguna 100% including native Canadians....let her tell Kenyans what Miguna did in Canada and then people can answer her supposed allegations, all she is doing is blowing hot air with no proof.. it is called rumor mongering, Canada is not Kenya where the climate nowadays is propaganda, lie's and falsehood in the political arena!! which some thrive on..
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Apr 4, 2011 13:30:07 GMT 3
Folks:
Let me first say:
PHEW!
Secondly let me reveal that I have gone through each and every posting.
My conclusion:
The points have been made- from the good to the bad to the ugly; from the sublime to the ridiculous.
The upshot:
People are beginning to THREEPEAT themselves- in other words saying everying thrice;in other words saying everying thrice;in other words saying everying thrice...
Did I just threepeat myself?
Long story short.
I am locking this thread down.
Please look for some other omena to fry.
Onyango Oloo Jukwaa Administrator
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