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Post by akinyi2005 on Apr 8, 2011 2:12:17 GMT 3
;D ;D hey give them the benefit of doubt maybe they are fluent in more than one language and would rather follow the proceedings in.......dutch.
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Post by merkeju on Apr 8, 2011 2:33:52 GMT 3
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Post by patriotism101 on Apr 8, 2011 7:56:16 GMT 3
First let me laugh- hahahahaha- This is too funny.
Ruto – This is a movie---------
Judge-Mr. Ruto could I just ask you to sit down" Siilap!!
"Na niswasikie ati mna mangamanga ovyo ovyo mashinani na porojo"... more siilap!
On a serious note, Ruto needs to chill out-this is free advice from my experience with the Court system in the diaspora. It is apparent that Ruto has gone to the Hague with a big mouth, big head and kifua. A movie my foot! Your skin pigmentation does not help your acting up- yea, they call it “acting up” My brotha, you will be tased and thrown into a cell. Nobody cares whether you are the King of the RV or the most handsome man for one Murugi. Chill out and let your lawyers handle the case. I guess he will be bragging to wananchi how he showed the ICC dust-“mimi niliwaambia wawache upuuzi!”- Jukwaarist expect this line when Ruto and Co returns.
If Ruto is a Samoei, a true toughie how comes he did not refuse to sit down when he was ordered to shut up by the judge? Let him try the theatrics and see where he lands. This guy is so silly-this is the time he should be putting forth his best show and being nice.
If you want to know the meaning of ushamba, just watch the " it is a movie ..." clip. Ushamba original.
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Post by mzalendo on Apr 8, 2011 12:24:37 GMT 3
Okolowaka. I could not help but laugh. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Ruto wanting to preempt the hearing so that they come back from kapenguria to the house on the hill.How ambitious! Thanks Ocampo. with that gag order if they grant it, is gonna be the turning point, i mean asking an hungry lion to stay peacefully with a goat in the cage is to demand too much. my hunch, Ruto and his troops are going to recieve the warrant very very soon 100% sure they are not going to pull it safe( their weekend rally) Sooner or later kenyans are going to know that kenya minus three individuals is much more stable much more progressive ,and much more peaceful. The positive agenda for this nation has been set with Ocampos wheels of justice next is corruption,negative ethnicity and we ahve our country back. Talking about optimism.   |
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 8, 2011 12:36:56 GMT 3
Why these two Kenyan lawyers wore their earphone/translators still baffles me... For a moment I thought these were Sang's lawyers until I saw the Kilo10 guy... ama these things can be used to transmit a "mwakenya" to them? ;D ;D ;D The proceedings were in English, their client spoke in English, they understand and speak English well, so what's with the earpieces? Ama ni ushamba tu ya kawaida kwao?  Lakini for real, why did they wear them...? Kutojua? Kutoelewa? Vioja Mahakamani... Okolowaka, Yes the proceedings can be in English but it should be the accent which makes them wear the earphone/translators. Were you able to have a chance to watch Sangs interview after the proceeding ? He said he cant understand Ocampos English . |
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Post by gemagema on Apr 8, 2011 12:44:05 GMT 3
I do like the way the Standard newspaper is framing the Ocampo 6 and ICC issues. One article is titled ' Ruto breaches ICC protocol at The Hague' ..here is the link www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000032811&cid=4&ttl=Ruto%20breaches%20ICC%20protocol%20at%20The%20Hague Further on in the article, you can sense that the Standard is implying that Ruto was already in breach of what the Judge had just warned them of, when he said during the interview that, " The entire process is choreographed and manufactured for reasons other than justice. We will continue to express to our supporters and Kenyans our opinions about this," In my view, just like the Standard, i do think that Ruto was already violating what Judge Trendafilova may call dangerous speech that could whip up emotions. hence Ruto may better really take care...he is not impressing so many. Notwithstanding, my own brother, who is ODM and pro Raila, cant stop loving Ruto. He thinks Ruto is just the guy, you know the tough macho guy. So, maybe, he is impressing his enthusiasts and also winning some over. |
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 8, 2011 12:50:34 GMT 3
MPs allied to Finance minister Uhuru Kenyatta and Eldoret North MP William Ruto have said they are satisfied with the manner in which the International Criminal Court handled three post election violence suspects. Addressing journalists at Parliament Buildings Thursday evening, MPs Mwangi Kiunjuri (Laikipia East), Aden Duale (Dujis) and Njoroge Baiya (Githunguri), Joshua Kutuny (Cherengany) and Benjamin Langat (Ainamoi) expressed confidence that justice will be delivered at The Hague. They described as ''professional’’ the manner in which the court handled Mr Ruto, his Tinderet counterpart Henry Kosgey and radio presenter Joshua arap Sang. Head of Civil Service Francis Muthaura, Mr Kenyatta and Postmaster General Hussein Ali are due to appear before the Pre-Trial Chamber Friday afternoon. The MPs also announced that the planned rally to welcome the Ocampo six from The Hague had been moved from Sunday to Monday at Nairobi's Uhuru Park following logistical problems in rescheduling the flights for the six Kenyans. Mr Kiunjuri, the chair of the coordinating committee, said the meeting will start at 11am adding that it had been cleared by the Town Clerk Philip Kisia Mr Kisia said Thursday evening he had given the all clear to the organisers to hold the meting. Separately, the Central Kenya MPs association chairman Ephraim Maina and ODM chief whip Jakoyo Midiwo pleaded with MPs to embark on a national reconciliation and healing effort to guard against ethnic hostilities and division. Mr Maina asked MPs to ensure Parliament fast-tracks crucial reform bills key to establishment of a credible judiciary and police force by September. The ICC judges set September 1 as the date when confirmation hearing of the Ocampo Six will start. “We must now concentrate on enacting laws that will lead to creation of a tenable judicial mechanism and ensure it is in place by September when the Six return to the Hague. With this, the country will be able to argue for a deferral and transfer of the case home,’’ the Mathira MP said at a press conference in his Nairobi office. Mr Midiwo said Kenyans must now begin to heal and reconcile through finding a credible mechanism similar to the one used in the post South Africa apartheid. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/-/1064/1140986/-/7qr43d/-/index.html |
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Post by commes on Apr 8, 2011 12:54:16 GMT 3
I do like the way the Standard newspaper is framing the Ocampo 6 and ICC issues. One article is titled ' Ruto breaches ICC protocol at The Hague' ..here is the link www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000032811&cid=4&ttl=Ruto%20breaches%20ICC%20protocol%20at%20The%20Hague Further on in the article, you can sense that the Standard is implying that Ruto was already in breach of what the Judge had just warned them of, when he said during the interview that, " The entire process is choreographed and manufactured for reasons other than justice. We will continue to express to our supporters and Kenyans our opinions about this," In my view, just like the Standard, i do think that Ruto was already violating what Judge Trendafilova may call dangerous speech that could whip up emotions. hence Ruto may better really take care...he is not impressing so many. Notwithstanding, my own brother, who is ODM and pro Raila, cant stop loving Ruto. He thinks Ruto is just the guy, you know the tough macho guy. So, maybe, he is impressing his enthusiasts and also winning some over. I was reading this article and thinking, why is Samoei jumping the gun and defending himself with words unlimited? They were only expected to confirm their identities, knowledge of the charges against them, and a hearing date for the confirmation of the charges Closer to fiction:Judge: “What is your name?” Ruto: “The allegations that have been made here sound to me like they can only be possible in a movie”. Judge: “you are contravening the guidelines that had been read out before the proceedings started” Ruto: “but Judge, an innocent person like me to be dragged all the way here is a matter that puzzles me," Ruto continues: “The entire process is choreographed and manufactured for reasons other than justice. Several witnesses had been coached Judge: “Thank you Ruto; you will have all the opportunity” Facts: When a judge at an international criminal tribunal is given evidence, you are not going to intimidate them. They only look at evidence. They do not know you. If evidence is watertight, you will go down.
When the international investigators say they have evidence, they know what they are talking about because no prosecutor would want to make a fool of himself.www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000032812&cid=4&ttl=ICC judges act on basis of evidence, says ICTR spokesman www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000032811&cid=4&ttl=Ruto breaches ICC protocol at The Hague |
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Post by kaburwo on Apr 8, 2011 13:09:55 GMT 3
When the international investigators say they have evidence, they know what they are talking about because no prosecutor would want to make a fool of himself. , Let us look at some human aspect of the judge. If you were a judge, a guy stands before you and seems to want to blow you and the prosecutor away to show he is tough, would you react differently than if you had the guy coolly answer the questions and not show some muscle? I am afraid Ruto might have awoken the judge's curiosity and driven them to think for a while "this guy is here bullying us, might he be culpable?". That might shift approach from "guilty until proven innocent" rather than "innocent guy unless proven guilty". My wild, unlawful imaginations. All the same, the last thing Ruto would want to do it to act as if he were entertaining a crowd in a courtroom. Be calm and cool and argue your case, or as it were, let the lawyers argue their case on your behalf. My pesa nane. |
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Post by einstein on Apr 8, 2011 13:29:07 GMT 3
;D ;D hey give them the benefit of doubt maybe they are fluent in more than one language and would rather follow the proceedings in.......dutch. Akinyi, That was a good one, I like it! ;D |
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Post by commes on Apr 8, 2011 13:31:09 GMT 3
When the international investigators say they have evidence, they know what they are talking about because no prosecutor would want to make a fool of himself. , Let us look at some human aspect of the judge. If you were a judge, a guy stands before you and seems to want to blow you and the prosecutor away to show he is tough, would you react differently than if you had the guy coolly answer the questions and not show some muscle? I am afraid Ruto might have awoken the judge's curiosity and driven them to think for a while "this guy is here bullying us, might he be culpable?". That might shift approach from "guilty until proven innocent" rather than "innocent guy unless proven guilty". My wild, unlawful imaginations. All the same, the last thing Ruto would want to do it to act as if he were entertaining a crowd in a courtroom. Be calm and cool and argue your case, or as it were, let the lawyers argue their case on your behalf. My pesa nane. Your pesa nane is on point. I actually admired the cool displayed by Kosgey. The jumpy boys ( Sang & Ruto) cornered Ocampo in his office. They should realise that Moreno has been in those corridors for eons. That is his business. Our local lawyers could have won many cases in Kenya because they can manipulate the systems. It was embarrasing to see " DPP" from the rejected Kibaki list wearing those ear pieces as observed by okolowakaI think . Ushamba ime pelekwa Hague. May be he understands French better, we never know! It is a tale-tell-sign that the local lawyers are swimming in some strange waters. They were so mersmerished they could not ask a sensible question. hee...hee Round number two leo saa tisa hivi. Si banduki |
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Post by commes on Apr 8, 2011 13:45:24 GMT 3
I was hopeful that my friends Nowayhah and others would have shared with Jukwaa Migunaz Hague experience by now. Well, Miguna Miguna was at the Jomo Kenyatta International Airport check-in counter for the Kenya Airways flight 0116 to The Hague at exactly 6:30 am on April 5th, 2011. This is Miguna’s account. “In fulfillment of my solemn undertaking to readers two weeks ago that I would escort the Ocampo Six on their sojourn with pomp and ceremony. Before boarding the 8 am flight, I looked around but couldn’t see any of my “privileged” companions. However, upon entering the business class cabin, I saw Gen (Rtd) Hussein Ali hunched over some papers. I tried to make eye contact, but the General seemed preoccupied with more important matters. So, I made my way to my right front window seat. The General sat one row behind me to the extreme left. For thirty minutes after taking my seat, I kept glancing over to see if the General would spare me a fleeting greeting. When I failed to get his attention, I gathered enough courage and went over his seat, extended my warm hand and said: “Good morning Commissioner! I’m here.” “I am also here;” he responded icily. “Well, I just wanted to say ‘good luck’,” I said as he smiled drily. I lingered on briefly, thinking that he would say something but he retreated back to what looked like some legal briefs. I made my way back to my seat. The General kept his long and forlorn face glued onto his papers. I couldn’t blame him for worrying over what might await him at The Hague. After all, he was facing the worst crimes anybody could be charged with. After we had been in the air for three hours, the General moved to the first seat in the front left row. The business cabin was only one third full. He continued either reading or looking outside through the window. At some point, he dozed off and I suddenly noticed the entry into the cabin of a young well built Somali looking man. He walked past me and lingered on before taking a seat between the General and me. But he only sat for less than five minutes before returning to his seat at the back. Only then did I realise that the General was travelling with bodyguards. The plane took off exactly at 8:15 a.m. And for the next eight hours between Nairobi and Amsterdam, the General either pored or peered on his papers or into the clouds through the window. On arrival at the Amsterdam Schiphol Airport, I realised that the General didn’t intend to alight with the other passengers. He sat there glumly as others rushed to leave. Immediately outside the plane, there were more than 15 heavily armed police and immigration officers. They were scrutinising all passengers’ travel documents. I found that unnerving and quite unusual. I have previously travelled through the Amsterdam Schiphol Airport for years on end but this was the only time I have seen such demonstration of “coercive force”. We went through the screening uneventfully walked to the immigration checkout counter. After another thorough screening, most disembarking passengers went to the baggage retrieval carousels. We picked our luggage and started leaving. There, I met two Kenyan lawyers who are working - behind the scenes on the ICC cases - for Uhuru Kenyatta. They were met outside by a white lady who immediately checked their “credentials” and whisked them away. Outside, I met three Citizen TV journalists staking out General Hussein Ali. They had been at the airport for at least two hours. I stayed around with them for another hour but there were no signs of the General. It appeared that the General had been picked up from the plane by Kenya’s diplomatic representatives at The Hague. That’s the only way he could have avoided going through normal immigration and customs procedures. Needless to say, I got a ride from the Citizen TV reporters to The Hague. They were disappointed not to have had the usual clip of the General. My first night at The Hague was quiet but chilly. The next day, I was woken up by calls from Kenya, which I couldn’t answer. The roaming charges are outrageous. I texted informing them to either text me or use the hotel landline number. At 9 am on Wednesday April 6th, I went for breakfast and met a bunch of Kenyan journalists covering the historic cases. Most had barely slept. They seemed to have spent most of last night zooming between Amsterdam and The Hague. Apparently, William Ruto, Henry Kosgey, Joshua Sang, the AG Amos Wako, the Deputy Director of Public Prosecutions Keriako Tobiko and many other Ocampo Six coteries arrived in different flights last night and early that morning. Unlike the music, wailings and ululations at the JKIA; the scenes at Amsterdam were eerily silent. Those who had been running around the country issuing threats and chest-thumping are now shells of themselves. They are drawn, cold and shaken. I understand Ruto arrived crest-fallen. Fear was written all over his face. The “hero” has suddenly realised the enormity of that cases facing him and how inconsequential his bravado is to the ICC process. Their lawyers that arrived earlier have been running around breathlessly here, not knowing what to do, particularly after the unanimous ruling by the Pre-Trial Chamber II. That ruling was merely a warning that the judges shall not entertain churlish comedy at the highest and most respected criminal court in the world. If Uhuru Kenyatta, William Ruto and Francis Muthaura thought that they could intimidate the Court - that ruling - denied them a chance to turn their first appearances into political theatre. Now they should know that their cases shall go on – their presidential ambitions notwithstanding. Credible accounts confirm that more than 120 people - including Moses Kuria and numerous from State House, Ministry of Foreign Affairs and State Law Office - have traveled to The Hague as members of the “state delegation”, their travel and related costs and expenses irregularly paid for by the public and facilitated by the Kenyan High Commission at The Hague. It is unfortunate that public officers like the AG and Deputy Director of Public Prosecutions who are supposed to prosecute criminals on behalf of the people are now acting at the behest of those accused of committing crimes against humanity. Who will protect the victims of those crimes? Who will prosecute the Ocampo Six now that the AG and Deputy Director of Public Prosecutions have become the Ocampo Six’s Advocates? Although I am a senior government employee; I wasn’t met by our embassy officials nor facilitated by them in any way whatsoever. Whereas Joshua arap Sang, Moses Kuria, and other PNU/KKK busy bodies were being chaperoned around in limousines at the public expense; I have been travelling by train and tram. The Ocampo Six and their “official” escorts have been booked in expensive five star hotels. I’m not complaining. However, it needs pointing out that what we are seeing is but a glimpse of the looting spree and mismanagement of public resources by the PNU/KKK faction within government. What exactly are they trying to prove to the ICC by bringing 120 rowdy youth to the Court? Is that a demonstration of how powerful and influential the Ocampo Three (Uhuru, Muthaura and Ruto) are? The public must demand full accounting of the money being spent on six people accused of the worst crimes in the world whereas nothing significant has been spent on the real victims of the PEV. Miguna is the PM’s advisor on Coalition Affairs. The views expressed here are his own. www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/Eblog/view/Hague-experience-by-Miguna-Miguna.html#comments |
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Post by okolowaka on Apr 8, 2011 13:46:17 GMT 3
Yeah right... They did not understand what judge Ekaterina was saying so they would rather listen to translations to what language, French, Dutch, Russian, Chinese, Arabic...? By the way it is Sang who requested a Kalenjin translation not kilo10 and kindiki... Ama kuna general translation from English to English... ;D C'mon... |
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Post by kaburwo on Apr 8, 2011 14:59:19 GMT 3
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Post by kaburwo on Apr 8, 2011 15:50:42 GMT 3
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Post by commes on Apr 8, 2011 15:53:54 GMT 3
 15:58 She says that the Chamber will strictly adhere to the subject matter of the hearing: Inform suspects of the charges facing him, their rights and set date of confirmation hearing. 15:57 The judge says today's hearing is not a trial, nor a confirmation hearing. No evidence will be collected. 15:55 She says that the Chamber is concerned about articles in Kenyan newspapers referring to re-triggering violence and such actions constitute a breach of conditions in the summonses and may lead to warrants of arrest. 15:52 Judge Trendafilova: Judges expect parties to conduct themselves with decorum and nay deviation will not be tolerated. Chamber will not hesitate to implement sanctions. 15:49 Ali: Born in Eldoret and currently CEO Postal Corporation of Kenya. 15:47 Kenyatta: I was born in 1961, Nairobi. Courtesy of people of Gatundu South, I am the MP and courtesy of the duly elected president of Kenya, Finance minister. 15:45 The judge is satisfied that Mr Muthaura is proficient in the English language. 15:43 Muthaura: I was born in Mariaine, Meru and currently head of civil service and secretary of Cabinet. Born in 1946. 15:44 Judge Trendafilova introduces the other judges. 15:42 Major General Ali's legal team introduces itself before the court followed by the Registrar. 15:40 Queen's Counsel Kay introduces Mr Kenyatta's defence team. 15: 39 Mr Muthaura's legal team introduces itself. 15:37 Mr Moreno-Ocampo introduces the prosecution team. 15:35 Judge Trendafilova tells the parties to speak slowly so as to allow interpreters to take notes. 15:33 The case is called by the court officer. 15:32 The judge directs the court officer to usher in photographers to take pictures for 90 seconds. 15:30 Judge Ekaterina Trendafilova tells the suspects to stand up and she welcomes them to the Chamber, the prosecutor, defence team and Registrar. 15:29 The hearing is about to start. 15:23 We are minutes away from the initial appearance of Mr Kenyatta, Mr Muthaura and Major General Ali where they will start by introducing themselves before the court. 15:19 On April 18, the court will hold a status conference where Mr Moreno-Ocampo is expected to disclose the evidence he intends to rely on in arguing his case against the Ocampo Six. |
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 8, 2011 15:57:35 GMT 3
Global village reality unfolds across Kenya They sat quietly, sipping tea served with chapati or mandazi, while others opted for soft drinks — the only beverage the Mututho Laws allowed at the time. At that moment on Thursday, Kenyans witnessed the reality that the world is indeed, a global village. In Nairobi, some marvelled at the advancement of technology that made The Hague come so close yet was so far away, while in Eldoret, they listened pensively as three of the ICC accused and their lawyers introduced themselves. Making full use of the ICC built-in video that offers live broadcasts to the world, Eldoret residents jammed restaurants and hotels where they openly showed their loyalty for the accused and disliking for the ICC in equal measure. In this one way communication, the court, thousands of miles away, was immunity against being whisked into cells for contempt. Mr William Ruto was applauded for his spirited bid to state his innocence from Day One; Mr Sang’ elicited laughter when he introduced himself as an innocent journalist. The Eldoret North MP also cheered when he likened the charges against him to a movie. Many freely laughed off what they described as unreasonable allegations against their leaders. “These trials should be speeded up. (Mr) Ruto seems very upset by the allegations and the faster the truth comes out the better,” noted Mr Geoffrey Okello, when the MP was cut short as he tried to explain his innocence. Some supported calls by Mr Kosgey that the suspects be furnished with more detail about the nature of their accusations to enable them prepare adequately. “The beginning has indicated that the process is likely to be fair and our leaders seem sure of their innocence,” said Mr Hezekiah Tarus, who was watching the unfolding events from a hotel near the main bus terminus. He added: “A ruling should be made before the General Election so those with presidential interests can contest.” In the city’s Kawangware Sokoni, self-acclaimed political analysts took strategic positions and “wittingly” broke down the ICC process to eager ears. “Our ears are at The Hague though we are physically in Kawangware,” 20-year-old Ali Chez told the Nation. There was no electricity in the area, so TVs were dead. But residents were content with the radio commentaries in the various radio stations both by presenters and guests. Suspended minister William Ruto, Tinderet MP Henry Kosgey and vernacular radio presenter Joshua Sang were in the dock of courtroom 1 at 10.33am. It was as though all radios in matatus, taxis and personal cars had been switched on. “If local courts have nullified elections of MPs because of irregularities, I’m confident we can sort out the post election violence cases,” said Mr Mwangi Erastus from Kawangware. Discussions were mainly by the youth and men while the women preferred to follow from what they considered a safe distance. Mr Stephen Karuru, 25, a trader, stressed the need to focus on forgiveness and reconciliation before resorting to international courts for justice. He cited Rwanda as a success story where genocide perpetrators have been rehabilitated and are performing community service. “Our 43 tribes are united by one flag and constitution,” Mr Karuru pointed out. Mr David Ndung’u a taxi driver called on the government to focus on settling IDPs instead of funding the international trips. “Our brothers and sisters are still suffering in the camps,” he said Others were however, disappointed that too much emphasis had been given to The Hague at the expense of issues like the World Health Day that was nationally celebrated at the Riruta Health Centre in Kawangware. Kenyans escorting the Ocampo Six comprises 107 people, including 40 MPs, political activists, relatives and supporters. Take to the stand On Friday, Deputy Prime minister Uhuru Kenyatta, Civil Service boss Francis Muthaura and former Police Commissioner Hussein Ali take to the stand in the same court at 4.30pm. Kawangware residents hope there will be electricity. On Thursday, some IDPs interviewed, said the government should establish a local tribunal to try other post poll suspects. “We are advocating for a local mechanism that will see the small fish who were used to commit various atrocities also see their day in court,” said David Karanja from Burnt Forest. North Rift IDPs chair Stephen Gathuo appealed to Kenyans to wait for The Hague process to be completed saying if there was insufficient evidence the suspects, they would remain free. In Tinderet Constituency where Mr Kosgey comes from, there was an aura of calm as the ICC proceedings went on. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Global+village+reality+unfolds+across+Kenya++/-/1064/1140840/-/12qadc6z/-/index.html |
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Post by tnk on Apr 8, 2011 16:04:43 GMT 3
its interesting that ruto declares he is innocent, and then states that he does not know comprehensively the specific offences that he is being charged with. |
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Post by kaburwo on Apr 8, 2011 16:07:51 GMT 3
It is Sept 21st for Uhuru, Ali and Muthaura
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Post by commes on Apr 8, 2011 16:15:06 GMT 3
16:33 Judge Trendafilova calls an end to an end to the court's proceedings and thanks all involved in the initial appearance of Mr Muthaura, Mr Kenyatta and Major General Ali. 16:31 Major General Ali's says his client is concerned with the volume of the documents to be made available and takes issue with the prosecutor's comments over possible unrest back in Kenya. 16:29 Mr Muthaura's lawyer says expects the documents to be ready on April 18. 16:28 Judge Trendafilova says the Chamber will proceed with its work once the time given to Kenya to complete filing its application is over. 16: 27 Mr Moreno-Ocampo says the Kenya application challenging the admissibility of the cases is behind his reason to withhold documents. 16:25 Mr Muthaura's counsel tells the court that his client would wish that the hearing date remains the same. He says that the prosecutor should have been in an advanced stage of making available material documents. 16:24 Judge Trendafilova says defence team invited to indicate whether they intend to produce documents and call witnesses during the hearing. She says that 10 days should be sufficient for both parties to prepare for the status conference. 16:23 At the conference, Mr Moreno-Ocampo will be required to give an estimate of documents he intends to use, witnesses he will call and their statements during the confirmation hearing, says the judge. 16:21 Judge Trendafilova says a status conference on disclosure will be held on April 18 at 11.30am and tells the suspects that their presence is not required. 16:19 Mr Kenyatta's and Major General Ali's teams want full disclosure from the prosecution. 16:17 Mr Muthaura's lawyer says no objection and "the sooner the better". 16:15 Prosecution has no objection on that date. 16:13 Judge Trendafilova sets September 21 as the date the confirmation hearing will start taking into consideration international human rights standards, number of suspects and the simultaneously running two cases. But date may be subject to change. 16:11: Judge: You will have adequate time to prepare your defence, undue delay in prosecution if case goes to trial. 16:10 The judge tells them they are innocent until proven guilty, they are free to represent themselves, object and challenge the charges during the confirmation hearing. 16:09 The suspects say they are aware of their rights. 16:08 Major General Ali answers in the affirmative. 16:07 Mr Kenyatta says while he was informed of the charges it was through a press release from the prosecutor's office. 16:06 Mr Muthaura says he was informed. 16: 05 Judge Trendafilova says the Chamber wants to know whether they were informed of the charges they are alleged to have committed. 16:03 Ali: There are reasonable grounds to believe that he contributed to a group of persons committing crimes against humanity consisting of murder, forcible transfer of population, rape, other inhumane acts, persecution in Nakuru, and Naivasha. 16:02 Kenyatta: There are reasonable grounds to believe that he is culpable of committing crimes against humanity consisting of murder, forcible transfer of population, rape, other inhumane acts, persecution in Nakuru, and Naivasha as a direct co-perpetrator. 16:00 Muthaura: There are reasonable grounds to believe that he is culpable of committing crimes against humanity consisting of murder, forcible transfer of population, rape, other inhumane acts, persecution in Nakuru, and Naivasha as a co-perpetrator. 15:59 Mr Muthaura's lead counsel says that his client is committed to "vigorously comply" with conditions set out by the court 15:58 She says that the Chamber will strictly adhere to the subject matter of the hearing: Inform suspects of the charges facing him, their rights and set date of confirmation hearing. |
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Post by okolowaka on Apr 8, 2011 16:36:56 GMT 3
..."Courtesy of the president of the republic of Kenya, I am also the minister for finance"... Reminds me of Masaku in Vioja Mahakamani who always made a point of telling the court his mother's name... ;D Court : Mshtakiwa, majina yako kamili. Masaku: Mimi ni Masaku mwana wa Kilonzo in nzot, na mama yangu anaitwa Naomi. In other words, I am the blue-eyed, poster boy, heir apparent of the duly elected naked emperor, you better recognize ... I tell you when things get thicker later on, the naked emperor himself will be on the dock
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Post by kamalet on Apr 8, 2011 16:42:43 GMT 3
I was hopeful that my friends Nowayhah and others would have shared with Jukwaa Migunaz Hague experience by now. Well, Miguna Miguna was at the Jomo Kenyatta International Airport check-in counter for the Kenya Airways flight 0116 to The Hague at exactly 6:30 am on April 5th, 2011. This is Miguna’s account. “In fulfillment of my solemn undertaking to readers two weeks ago that I would escort the Ocampo Six on their sojourn with pomp and ceremony. Before boarding the 8 am flight, I looked around but couldn’t see any of my “privileged” companions. However, upon entering the business class cabin, I saw Gen (Rtd) Hussein Ali hunched over some papers. I tried to make eye contact, but the General seemed preoccupied with more important matters. So, I made my way to my right front window seat. The General sat one row behind me to the extreme left. For thirty minutes after taking my seat, I kept glancing over to see if the General would spare me a fleeting greeting. When I failed to get his attention, I gathered enough courage and went over his seat, extended my warm hand and said: “Good morning Commissioner! I’m here.” “I am also here;” he responded icily. “Well, I just wanted to say ‘good luck’,” I said as he smiled drily. I lingered on briefly, thinking that he would say something but he retreated back to what looked like some legal briefs. I made my way back to my seat. The General kept his long and forlorn face glued onto his papers. I couldn’t blame him for worrying over what might await him at The Hague. After all, he was facing the worst crimes anybody could be charged with. After we had been in the air for three hours, the General moved to the first seat in the front left row. The business cabin was only one third full. He continued either reading or looking outside through the window. At some point, he dozed off and I suddenly noticed the entry into the cabin of a young well built Somali looking man. He walked past me and lingered on before taking a seat between the General and me. But he only sat for less than five minutes before returning to his seat at the back. Only then did I realise that the General was travelling with bodyguards. The plane took off exactly at 8:15 a.m. And for the next eight hours between Nairobi and Amsterdam, the General either pored or peered on his papers or into the clouds through the window. On arrival at the Amsterdam Schiphol Airport, I realised that the General didn’t intend to alight with the other passengers. He sat there glumly as others rushed to leave. Immediately outside the plane, there were more than 15 heavily armed police and immigration officers. They were scrutinising all passengers’ travel documents. I found that unnerving and quite unusual. I have previously travelled through the Amsterdam Schiphol Airport for years on end but this was the only time I have seen such demonstration of “coercive force”. We went through the screening uneventfully walked to the immigration checkout counter. After another thorough screening, most disembarking passengers went to the baggage retrieval carousels. We picked our luggage and started leaving. There, I met two Kenyan lawyers who are working - behind the scenes on the ICC cases - for Uhuru Kenyatta. They were met outside by a white lady who immediately checked their “credentials” and whisked them away. Outside, I met three Citizen TV journalists staking out General Hussein Ali. They had been at the airport for at least two hours. I stayed around with them for another hour but there were no signs of the General. It appeared that the General had been picked up from the plane by Kenya’s diplomatic representatives at The Hague. That’s the only way he could have avoided going through normal immigration and customs procedures. Needless to say, I got a ride from the Citizen TV reporters to The Hague. They were disappointed not to have had the usual clip of the General. My first night at The Hague was quiet but chilly. The next day, I was woken up by calls from Kenya, which I couldn’t answer. The roaming charges are outrageous. I texted informing them to either text me or use the hotel landline number. At 9 am on Wednesday April 6th, I went for breakfast and met a bunch of Kenyan journalists covering the historic cases. Most had barely slept. They seemed to have spent most of last night zooming between Amsterdam and The Hague. Apparently, William Ruto, Henry Kosgey, Joshua Sang, the AG Amos Wako, the Deputy Director of Public Prosecutions Keriako Tobiko and many other Ocampo Six coteries arrived in different flights last night and early that morning. Unlike the music, wailings and ululations at the JKIA; the scenes at Amsterdam were eerily silent. Those who had been running around the country issuing threats and chest-thumping are now shells of themselves. They are drawn, cold and shaken. I understand Ruto arrived crest-fallen. Fear was written all over his face. The “hero” has suddenly realised the enormity of that cases facing him and how inconsequential his bravado is to the ICC process. Their lawyers that arrived earlier have been running around breathlessly here, not knowing what to do, particularly after the unanimous ruling by the Pre-Trial Chamber II. That ruling was merely a warning that the judges shall not entertain churlish comedy at the highest and most respected criminal court in the world. If Uhuru Kenyatta, William Ruto and Francis Muthaura thought that they could intimidate the Court - that ruling - denied them a chance to turn their first appearances into political theatre. Now they should know that their cases shall go on – their presidential ambitions notwithstanding. Credible accounts confirm that more than 120 people - including Moses Kuria and numerous from State House, Ministry of Foreign Affairs and State Law Office - have traveled to The Hague as members of the “state delegation”, their travel and related costs and expenses irregularly paid for by the public and facilitated by the Kenyan High Commission at The Hague. It is unfortunate that public officers like the AG and Deputy Director of Public Prosecutions who are supposed to prosecute criminals on behalf of the people are now acting at the behest of those accused of committing crimes against humanity. Who will protect the victims of those crimes? Who will prosecute the Ocampo Six now that the AG and Deputy Director of Public Prosecutions have become the Ocampo Six’s Advocates? Although I am a senior government employee; I wasn’t met by our embassy officials nor facilitated by them in any way whatsoever. Whereas Joshua arap Sang, Moses Kuria, and other PNU/KKK busy bodies were being chaperoned around in limousines at the public expense; I have been travelling by train and tram. The Ocampo Six and their “official” escorts have been booked in expensive five star hotels. I’m not complaining. However, it needs pointing out that what we are seeing is but a glimpse of the looting spree and mismanagement of public resources by the PNU/KKK faction within government. What exactly are they trying to prove to the ICC by bringing 120 rowdy youth to the Court? Is that a demonstration of how powerful and influential the Ocampo Three (Uhuru, Muthaura and Ruto) are? The public must demand full accounting of the money being spent on six people accused of the worst crimes in the world whereas nothing significant has been spent on the real victims of the PEV. Miguna is the PM’s advisor on Coalition Affairs. The views expressed here are his own. www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/Eblog/view/Hague-experience-by-Miguna-Miguna.html#commentsSo that I can also floss like Miguna, I also use Schiphol Airport many times. In fact unlike him I have had Platinum Status for the last 4 years on KLM's Flying Blue. What that means is that I fly a lot and yes I do business class a lot!! So why floss Mr. Kamale? Actually the point I wanted to make is that people that fly business or first class rarely remind anyone the class they fly in unless it is a rare opportunity to fly in that class. The minor detail from him that he was flying business class is nothing more than excitement about flying in that class. Miguna, we at least know you travel cattle class a lot and ICC and the tax payer gave you the opportunity to travel in that class. You have hit out at all the largesse the government is throwing about in ferrying half the AG's chambers to the Hague and the embassy providing transport to the six and not you. Mr. Miguna Miguna - are you willing to show us how you paid for the ticket to the Hague to be a spectator if it was not by tax payers? It is only via proof that you forked out the money from your back pocket that you can take the strange position to criticise any tax payer money being paid. Secondly, after declaring yourself as a senior civil servant what official business takes you to the Hague? If you concede that you were representing the PM at the hearing, I will let you be but ask you to shut up on criticising those that went there on their account. |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Apr 8, 2011 16:51:20 GMT 3
I was hopeful that my friends Nowayhah and others would have shared with Jukwaa Migunaz Hague experience by now. Well, Miguna Miguna was at the Jomo Kenyatta International Airport check-in counter for the Kenya Airways flight 0116 to The Hague at exactly 6:30 am on April 5th, 2011. This is Miguna’s account. “In fulfillment of my solemn undertaking to readers two weeks ago that I would escort the Ocampo Six on their sojourn with pomp and ceremony. Before boarding the 8 am flight, I looked around but couldn’t see any of my “privileged” companions. However, upon entering the business class cabin, I saw Gen (Rtd) Hussein Ali hunched over some papers. I tried to make eye contact, but the General seemed preoccupied with more important matters. So, I made my way to my right front window seat. The General sat one row behind me to the extreme left. For thirty minutes after taking my seat, I kept glancing over to see if the General would spare me a fleeting greeting. When I failed to get his attention, I gathered enough courage and went over his seat, extended my warm hand and said: “Good morning Commissioner! I’m here.” “I am also here;” he responded icily. “Well, I just wanted to say ‘good luck’,” I said as he smiled drily. I lingered on briefly, thinking that he would say something but he retreated back to what looked like some legal briefs. I made my way back to my seat. The General kept his long and forlorn face glued onto his papers. I couldn’t blame him for worrying over what might await him at The Hague. After all, he was facing the worst crimes anybody could be charged with. After we had been in the air for three hours, the General moved to the first seat in the front left row. The business cabin was only one third full. He continued either reading or looking outside through the window. At some point, he dozed off and I suddenly noticed the entry into the cabin of a young well built Somali looking man. He walked past me and lingered on before taking a seat between the General and me. But he only sat for less than five minutes before returning to his seat at the back. Only then did I realise that the General was travelling with bodyguards. The plane took off exactly at 8:15 a.m. And for the next eight hours between Nairobi and Amsterdam, the General either pored or peered on his papers or into the clouds through the window. On arrival at the Amsterdam Schiphol Airport, I realised that the General didn’t intend to alight with the other passengers. He sat there glumly as others rushed to leave. Immediately outside the plane, there were more than 15 heavily armed police and immigration officers. They were scrutinising all passengers’ travel documents. I found that unnerving and quite unusual. I have previously travelled through the Amsterdam Schiphol Airport for years on end but this was the only time I have seen such demonstration of “coercive force”. We went through the screening uneventfully walked to the immigration checkout counter. After another thorough screening, most disembarking passengers went to the baggage retrieval carousels. We picked our luggage and started leaving. There, I met two Kenyan lawyers who are working - behind the scenes on the ICC cases - for Uhuru Kenyatta. They were met outside by a white lady who immediately checked their “credentials” and whisked them away. Outside, I met three Citizen TV journalists staking out General Hussein Ali. They had been at the airport for at least two hours. I stayed around with them for another hour but there were no signs of the General. It appeared that the General had been picked up from the plane by Kenya’s diplomatic representatives at The Hague. That’s the only way he could have avoided going through normal immigration and customs procedures. Needless to say, I got a ride from the Citizen TV reporters to The Hague. They were disappointed not to have had the usual clip of the General. My first night at The Hague was quiet but chilly. The next day, I was woken up by calls from Kenya, which I couldn’t answer. The roaming charges are outrageous. I texted informing them to either text me or use the hotel landline number. At 9 am on Wednesday April 6th, I went for breakfast and met a bunch of Kenyan journalists covering the historic cases. Most had barely slept. They seemed to have spent most of last night zooming between Amsterdam and The Hague. Apparently, William Ruto, Henry Kosgey, Joshua Sang, the AG Amos Wako, the Deputy Director of Public Prosecutions Keriako Tobiko and many other Ocampo Six coteries arrived in different flights last night and early that morning. Unlike the music, wailings and ululations at the JKIA; the scenes at Amsterdam were eerily silent. Those who had been running around the country issuing threats and chest-thumping are now shells of themselves. They are drawn, cold and shaken. I understand Ruto arrived crest-fallen. Fear was written all over his face. The “hero” has suddenly realised the enormity of that cases facing him and how inconsequential his bravado is to the ICC process. Their lawyers that arrived earlier have been running around breathlessly here, not knowing what to do, particularly after the unanimous ruling by the Pre-Trial Chamber II. That ruling was merely a warning that the judges shall not entertain churlish comedy at the highest and most respected criminal court in the world. If Uhuru Kenyatta, William Ruto and Francis Muthaura thought that they could intimidate the Court - that ruling - denied them a chance to turn their first appearances into political theatre. Now they should know that their cases shall go on – their presidential ambitions notwithstanding. Credible accounts confirm that more than 120 people - including Moses Kuria and numerous from State House, Ministry of Foreign Affairs and State Law Office - have traveled to The Hague as members of the “state delegation”, their travel and related costs and expenses irregularly paid for by the public and facilitated by the Kenyan High Commission at The Hague. It is unfortunate that public officers like the AG and Deputy Director of Public Prosecutions who are supposed to prosecute criminals on behalf of the people are now acting at the behest of those accused of committing crimes against humanity. Who will protect the victims of those crimes? Who will prosecute the Ocampo Six now that the AG and Deputy Director of Public Prosecutions have become the Ocampo Six’s Advocates? Although I am a senior government employee; I wasn’t met by our embassy officials nor facilitated by them in any way whatsoever. Whereas Joshua arap Sang, Moses Kuria, and other PNU/KKK busy bodies were being chaperoned around in limousines at the public expense; I have been travelling by train and tram. The Ocampo Six and their “official” escorts have been booked in expensive five star hotels. I’m not complaining. However, it needs pointing out that what we are seeing is but a glimpse of the looting spree and mismanagement of public resources by the PNU/KKK faction within government. What exactly are they trying to prove to the ICC by bringing 120 rowdy youth to the Court? Is that a demonstration of how powerful and influential the Ocampo Three (Uhuru, Muthaura and Ruto) are? The public must demand full accounting of the money being spent on six people accused of the worst crimes in the world whereas nothing significant has been spent on the real victims of the PEV. Miguna is the PM’s advisor on Coalition Affairs. The views expressed here are his own. www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/Eblog/view/Hague-experience-by-Miguna-Miguna.html#commentsHehehehehehehe!! Miguna sounds very desperate and hollow. He seems surprised that the good General did not seem to know him. The general must have been scared stiff at the sight of Miguna. For those who have not seen Miguna is very burley and of very mean look. I am trying to look for a befitting description and non can come to mind that John Coffey, he of the Green Mile. Take it easy Bw. General it is only Miguna, the PMs advisor of ... I dont know what. |
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Post by kasuku on Apr 8, 2011 17:03:06 GMT 3
As a Kenyan Woman i am ashamed of the language these obviously learned Kenyan Men above use. I will call it village kusengenyana.
The only difference being that, the village woman knows no other issues to discuss than the neighbours home private issues.
Ati, "ata sisi tumeshafly na First-class acha Busines-class…ata wacha, mi ni Platinum…")lo!
For the rest, excuse my outburst, but I couldn’t let it pass
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 8, 2011 17:06:52 GMT 3
I was hopeful that my friends Nowayhah and others would have shared with Jukwaa Migunaz Hague experience by now. Well, Miguna Miguna was at the Jomo Kenyatta International Airport check-in counter for the Kenya Airways flight 0116 to The Hague at exactly 6:30 am on April 5th, 2011. This is Miguna’s account. “In fulfillment of my solemn undertaking to readers two weeks ago that I would escort the Ocampo Six on their sojourn with pomp and ceremony. Before boarding the 8 am flight, I looked around but couldn’t see any of my “privileged” companions. However, upon entering the business class cabin, I saw Gen (Rtd) Hussein Ali hunched over some papers. I tried to make eye contact, but the General seemed preoccupied with more important matters. So, I made my way to my right front window seat. The General sat one row behind me to the extreme left. For thirty minutes after taking my seat, I kept glancing over to see if the General would spare me a fleeting greeting. When I failed to get his attention, I gathered enough courage and went over his seat, extended my warm hand and said: “Good morning Commissioner! I’m here.” “I am also here;” he responded icily. “Well, I just wanted to say ‘good luck’,” I said as he smiled drily. I lingered on briefly, thinking that he would say something but he retreated back to what looked like some legal briefs. I made my way back to my seat. The General kept his long and forlorn face glued onto his papers. I couldn’t blame him for worrying over what might await him at The Hague. After all, he was facing the worst crimes anybody could be charged with. After we had been in the air for three hours, the General moved to the first seat in the front left row. The business cabin was only one third full. He continued either reading or looking outside through the window. At some point, he dozed off and I suddenly noticed the entry into the cabin of a young well built Somali looking man. He walked past me and lingered on before taking a seat between the General and me. But he only sat for less than five minutes before returning to his seat at the back. Only then did I realise that the General was travelling with bodyguards. The plane took off exactly at 8:15 a.m. And for the next eight hours between Nairobi and Amsterdam, the General either pored or peered on his papers or into the clouds through the window. On arrival at the Amsterdam Schiphol Airport, I realised that the General didn’t intend to alight with the other passengers. He sat there glumly as others rushed to leave. Immediately outside the plane, there were more than 15 heavily armed police and immigration officers. They were scrutinising all passengers’ travel documents. I found that unnerving and quite unusual. I have previously travelled through the Amsterdam Schiphol Airport for years on end but this was the only time I have seen such demonstration of “coercive force”.
We went through the screening uneventfully walked to the immigration checkout counter. After another thorough screening, most disembarking passengers went to the baggage retrieval carousels. We picked our luggage and started leaving. There, I met two Kenyan lawyers who are working - behind the scenes on the ICC cases - for Uhuru Kenyatta. They were met outside by a white lady who immediately checked their “credentials” and whisked them away. Outside, I met three Citizen TV journalists staking out General Hussein Ali. They had been at the airport for at least two hours. I stayed around with them for another hour but there were no signs of the General. It appeared that the General had been picked up from the plane by Kenya’s diplomatic representatives at The Hague. That’s the only way he could have avoided going through normal immigration and customs procedures. Needless to say, I got a ride from the Citizen TV reporters to The Hague. They were disappointed not to have had the usual clip of the General. My first night at The Hague was quiet but chilly. The next day, I was woken up by calls from Kenya, which I couldn’t answer. The roaming charges are outrageous. I texted informing them to either text me or use the hotel landline number. At 9 am on Wednesday April 6th, I went for breakfast and met a bunch of Kenyan journalists covering the historic cases. Most had barely slept. They seemed to have spent most of last night zooming between Amsterdam and The Hague. Apparently, William Ruto, Henry Kosgey, Joshua Sang, the AG Amos Wako, the Deputy Director of Public Prosecutions Keriako Tobiko and many other Ocampo Six coteries arrived in different flights last night and early that morning. Unlike the music, wailings and ululations at the JKIA; the scenes at Amsterdam were eerily silent. Those who had been running around the country issuing threats and chest-thumping are now shells of themselves. They are drawn, cold and shaken. I understand Ruto arrived crest-fallen. Fear was written all over his face. The “hero” has suddenly realised the enormity of that cases facing him and how inconsequential his bravado is to the ICC process. Their lawyers that arrived earlier have been running around breathlessly here, not knowing what to do, particularly after the unanimous ruling by the Pre-Trial Chamber II. That ruling was merely a warning that the judges shall not entertain churlish comedy at the highest and most respected criminal court in the world. If Uhuru Kenyatta, William Ruto and Francis Muthaura thought that they could intimidate the Court - that ruling - denied them a chance to turn their first appearances into political theatre. Now they should know that their cases shall go on – their presidential ambitions notwithstanding. Credible accounts confirm that more than 120 people - including Moses Kuria and numerous from State House, Ministry of Foreign Affairs and State Law Office - have traveled to The Hague as members of the “state delegation”, their travel and related costs and expenses irregularly paid for by the public and facilitated by the Kenyan High Commission at The Hague. It is unfortunate that public officers like the AG and Deputy Director of Public Prosecutions who are supposed to prosecute criminals on behalf of the people are now acting at the behest of those accused of committing crimes against humanity. Who will protect the victims of those crimes? Who will prosecute the Ocampo Six now that the AG and Deputy Director of Public Prosecutions have become the Ocampo Six’s Advocates? Although I am a senior government employee; I wasn’t met by our embassy officials nor facilitated by them in any way whatsoever. Whereas Joshua arap Sang, Moses Kuria, and other PNU/KKK busy bodies were being chaperoned around in limousines at the public expense; I have been travelling by train and tram. The Ocampo Six and their “official” escorts have been booked in expensive five star hotels. I’m not complaining. However, it needs pointing out that what we are seeing is but a glimpse of the looting spree and mismanagement of public resources by the PNU/KKK faction within government. What exactly are they trying to prove to the ICC by bringing 120 rowdy youth to the Court? Is that a demonstration of how powerful and influential the Ocampo Three (Uhuru, Muthaura and Ruto) are? The public must demand full accounting of the money being spent on six people accused of the worst crimes in the world whereas nothing significant has been spent on the real victims of the PEV. Miguna is the PM’s advisor on Coalition Affairs. The views expressed here are his own. www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/Eblog/view/Hague-experience-by-Miguna-Miguna.html#commentsIt is evident Miguna has never been a frequent flier . If you have been flying frequently you will know that passengers from African Airlines are thoroughly scrutinized especially at schipol and after the Nigerian tried to Bomb Northwest airlines headed to detroit back in Dec 2009. |
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