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Post by kamalet on Apr 8, 2011 17:19:13 GMT 3
As a Kenyan Woman i am ashamed of the language these obviously learned Kenyan Men above use. I will call it village kusengenyana. The only difference being that, the village woman knows no other issues to discuss than the neighbours home private issues. Ati, "ata sisi tumeshafly na First-class acha Busines-class…ata wacha, mi ni Platinum…")lo! For the rest, excuse my outburst, but I couldn’t let it pass It was not useful telling us your gender here unless it was to elicit sympathy. Before you get your knickers twisted on the language used, did you actually read what the first few words of my post were? I am in a generous and flossful mode so I shall quote it for you madam: So that I can also floss like Miguna..... From a literate persons point of view and even for a village woman, I am certain you know what this means.
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Post by shifta on Apr 8, 2011 17:26:33 GMT 3
I am not sure what our regular misleaders aka MPS expected in Hague but this is further of evidence of political bankruptcy, by being MIA as the country waits for a new katiba, ati wana -escort Uhuru wa ngina?
As Miguna notes where is all that chest thumping na matusi kwa Ocampo? sasa ndiyo wameona kweli Hague sio kwa "nyina wa kimundu".
At least I have to say for once Uhuru actually looked sober, the red eyes at least loooked pink on KTN.
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Post by kamalet on Apr 8, 2011 17:31:42 GMT 3
I am not sure what our regular misleaders aka MPS expected in Hague but this is further of evidence of political bankruptcy, by being MIA as the country waits for a new katiba, ati wana -escort Uhuru wa ngina? As Miguna notes where is all that chest thumping na matusi kwa Ocampo? sasa ndiyo wameona kweli Hague sio kwa "nyina wa kimundu". At least I have to say for once Uhuru actually looked sober, the red eyes at least loooked pink on KTN. I do not know which Amsterdam Miguna was in, but we saw it on Kenyan TV the MPs accompanying Ruto singing at the Schiphol airport as they waited for their bus and they still sung a lot yesterday after the court hearing! Perhaps Miguna forgets that the guys that gave him a lift from Citizen TV actually are sending us live broadcasts and interviews from there!
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Post by gemagema on Apr 8, 2011 18:19:54 GMT 3
I do like the way the Standard newspaper is framing the Ocampo 6 and ICC issues. One article is titled ' Ruto breaches ICC protocol at The Hague' ..here is the link www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000032811&cid=4&ttl=Ruto%20breaches%20ICC%20protocol%20at%20The%20Hague Further on in the article, you can sense that the Standard is implying that Ruto was already in breach of what the Judge had just warned them of, when he said during the interview that, " The entire process is choreographed and manufactured for reasons other than justice. We will continue to express to our supporters and Kenyans our opinions about this," In my view, just like the Standard, i do think that Ruto was already violating what Judge Trendafilova may call dangerous speech that could whip up emotions. hence Ruto may better really take care...he is not impressing so many. Notwithstanding, my own brother, who is ODM and pro Raila, cant stop loving Ruto. He thinks Ruto is just the guy, you know the tough macho guy. So, maybe, he is impressing his enthusiasts and also winning some over. gemagemaI was reading this article and thinking, why is Samoei jumping the gun and defending himself with words unlimited? They were only expected to confirm their identities, knowledge of the charges against them, and a hearing date for the confirmation of the charges Closer to fiction:Judge: “What is your name?” Ruto: “The allegations that have been made here sound to me like they can only be possible in a movie”. Judge: “you are contravening the guidelines that had been read out before the proceedings started” Ruto: “but Judge, an innocent person like me to be dragged all the way here is a matter that puzzles me," Ruto continues: “The entire process is choreographed and manufactured for reasons other than justice. Several witnesses had been coached Judge: “Thank you Ruto; you will have all the opportunity” Facts: When a judge at an international criminal tribunal is given evidence, you are not going to intimidate them. They only look at evidence. They do not know you. If evidence is watertight, you will go down.
When the international investigators say they have evidence, they know what they are talking about because no prosecutor would want to make a fool of himself.www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000032812&cid=4&ttl=ICC judges act on basis of evidence, says ICTR spokesman www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000032811&cid=4&ttl=Ruto breaches ICC protocol at The Hague You are right Commes,
Ruto just has an ego...wonder where it will get him at the ICC
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 8, 2011 20:33:10 GMT 3
hehehehehehe. After all the makelele. It is down to reality.
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Post by jakaswanga on Apr 8, 2011 20:42:59 GMT 3
Just recieved some photos from the Hague, ICC, in my mailbox now. How do I paste them here to share with wanajukwaa? any quick tutorials please???
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 8, 2011 20:52:35 GMT 3
jakaswaga I don't know if this will help but click in he pick right side of the mouse you will see a block at the bottom of which is "properties". Click left on the mouse on properties. You will see the URL address for the pic usually ends with "pg". Block the whole address, click in it copy and Ok It will give you something like this www.nation.co.ke/image/view/-/1141274/highRes/251759/-/maxw/600/-/jt3d4w/-/CART09.jpgType on the left before the http and type [/img] at the end then you have this. I hope that helps
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Post by tnk on Apr 8, 2011 20:57:53 GMT 3
hehehehehehe. After all the makelele. It is down to reality. these two are running the top kenya gava affairs man, cant wait to see the end of kibaki regime why have (suspected) thugs running top state affairs
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Post by mzee on Apr 8, 2011 21:00:02 GMT 3
hehehehehehe. After all the makelele. It is down to reality. Adongo,Its for real and the guys are already hararing. I mean, no amount of MONEY, INFLUENCE, proximity to POWER or NAME will get these guys off. Its only the truth that will set them free. This bitter truth includes coming clean on how Mwai Kibaki organised and ordered the mass murder. Its going to be a rough ride all the way to 2014 or 2090 as one WKR would say.
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 8, 2011 21:38:57 GMT 3
Where is the Video of Uhuru' & CO court? could someone please post it ASAP!!!
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Post by h2o on Apr 8, 2011 21:43:17 GMT 3
Where is the Video of Uhuru' & CO court? could someone please post it ASAP!!!
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 8, 2011 21:50:46 GMT 3
Where is the Video of Uhuru' & CO court? could someone please post it ASAP!!! thanks i had missed the live stream
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 8, 2011 22:04:33 GMT 3
Where is the Video of Uhuru' & CO court? could someone please post it ASAP!!! Question? was Uhuru trying to say he didn't receive the sermons in the correct manner? ati he knew first of his name being on the list through the press release from the prosecutors office but the the chamber insists the register informed him in advance and he signed the documents confirming that he was served! was Uhuru trying to Pull a first one on Ocampo? which of course it was rubbished by the ICC lady judge before he even continued and sat back silently ;D do i read mischief from Uhuru trying to pull a fast one on Ocampo that he heard his name in the press before being served ?
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Post by gemagema on Apr 8, 2011 23:28:48 GMT 3
Man! Guys! You have got to read this Standard article, How we turned up naked before ICC, written by written by Kipkoech Tanui, the standard managing editor.
Go Kipkoech! That is exactly what the fourth estate needs to do. If the Media choose to be political pundits, then they must be objective, like Kipkoech here.
Actually, its sad that I hereafter write so unprofessionally...you know, in my heart, which is attuned to Kenyan tribal politics, i would have thought that Kipkoech Tanui, being from RV, would have been supportive of you know whom???. But he has actually impressed me. Unless am missing out on something. I know the Standard's ownership is mainly within the Moi, Mark Too family. But heck, they are Kaleo and they dont like RAO. Anyways, forgive me for that ethnic spewing...most of us kenyans suffer from it too. Lakini, on the other hand, has anyone read Kwamchetsi Makokha opinion articles on Nation...they are an embarrassment, if not a disgrace.
Anyways, herebelow is the article from Kipkoech Tanui
The first formal appearance of Kenyans before International Criminal Court was bound to trigger different emotions. There are those struck by shame Kenya is now in company of disgraced nations that have, thanks to failed judicial systems and atrocious records of crimes against humanity, served as pick-up stations for ICC trans-world buses.ICC knocked on our door after getting an invitation letter from the President and the Prime Minister.
They invited them because many Kenyans had no faith in their judicial system and distrusted the weak-kneed police, which was also part of the mess. We also were buoyed the judges would neither be Kalenjin, Luo, Kikuyus nor Luhya. But today, albeit too late, special tribunal is gaining currency.
The fact that three years later we wanted to pull out, delay its process or derail it altogether, is immaterial. Whether the country healed or not, we had shown we were comfortable with a legal process over which we could pick the policeman, lawyer and judge.
That is what Kibaki told the world when he handpicked a nominee for Chief Justice, Attorney General and Director of Public Prosecutions while en-route to the African Union Summit in Addis Abba to claim ICC should leave Kenya alone because it now had an honourable court system, hallowed home-grown investigators and a saintly man at State House, whose first and second names are ‘Beyond Reproach’ and ‘Integrity’. His choice for Vice-President Kalonzo Musyoka — for obvious reasons — was stomping African capitals lobbying for deferral. Raila Odinga, understandably, was left out because they did not trust him. It turns out the world community may have given Kibaki a hearing if they were reading from the same script.
You see, Kibaki and his team stumble often because they believe now that we are in peacetime; they have devalued power sharing so much that the rest of the world should go by their terms – not the commitment they signed before Kofi Annan.
Preferences
Also, most regretably, a lot seemed to have depended more on our individual political inclinations and personal leadership preferences than the principles of law.
There are also those who felt the appearances may lead to possible recast of the image we have enjoyed as Africa’s island of peace and cornerstone of political stability. In the six, we literally stood naked before the international community to be audited for what took place in 2008.
If we had fixed our institutions of governance before the sham elections in 2007, which were muddied by President Kibaki’s executive hand, we probably would not today be clients of ICC, upon whom foreign lawyers have struck a gold mine. Their siphoning pipe goes right into our Treasury.
Because of playing money-business with governance, we are like a bunch of monkeys one of which has a bell tied to the neck. The more the one with ringing bell runs towards his colleagues for ‘help’, the noise scares the others and they run further away. But others run towards him, not to help, but to try and decipher what it is that they have.
We are after all monkeys, the difference being only a few have bells on the necks. I suspect some of those at The Hague were driven by curiosity, not will to look sympathetic to the suspects, over what will happen to them, and also the prospect of political capital by seeming to have stood with them.
There are of course those whose reaction was to ask what became of the victims of post-election killings, dispossession and displacements. They may be few because many look like they have accepted the victims were the unfortunate pawns or sacrificial lambs in the game and altar of politics. But for others, the day may just have raised hope the victims may finally get justice and the suspects fair process in court.
Now let us digress to the suspects as called by the Lady Judge. Whether they are innocent or guilty is a matter for the court to decide. Until then they are presumed innocent. The court has three distinct sides: prosecution, defense and the Bench. Whether the suspects genuinely believe the allegations were influenced by Raila or were part of a 2012 conspiracy against them, is a matter for chest thumping in political rallies in Nairobi, not ICC courtroom.
Impression matters
The prosecution defends its allegations using evidence; the suspects and their lawyers disparage the claims on account of law; while the judges arbitrate in the tussle and deliver the ruling. Like in any other court, impressions matter and how one carries himself before the judge, matters even more.
Now it is suicidal to turn your wrath on the ‘referee’ or to show disrespect for the court. It is also foolhardy to be accused of being a warlord and to seemingly look like one out to prove this is true by arriving complete with a ‘delegation’ of fire-splitters.
Whether the Ocampo Six are innocent or guilty, they must remember ICC has a bad impression of them. They can just make it worse or better for themselves by appreciating the new phase of battle will be won or lost in the court-room – not political rallies and prayers.
And in the courtroom, you do not need a cheering squad, they will only make your case worse and still look good.
The writer is The Standard Managing Editor, Daily Editions.
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 9, 2011 1:25:11 GMT 3
This is interesting: I used to love this song but hearing people who have been accused of slaughtering Kenyans sing this it just sounded really frightening. You go to the Hague accused of mass murder of Kenyans and come out in front of the Court belching: "Uhuru yetuuu waKenya tulimwaga damuuuu................." It sounds very creepy coming from suspected mass murderers. It is like they mean it literally. They are vandalizing this great patriotic song about the Kenyan independence struggles. What else are they going to vandalize before they go to jail? Here is the video: www.ktnkenya.tv/new/?page_id=1&id=2000032886And Mutula Kilonzo is absolutely right by saying that the foolishness of these chaps has pretty much sealed the Admissibility case. These are legislators loudly singing support for the suspects in front of the court. How on earth can Kibaki and his lawyers convince the ICC court that the same legislators will pass laws to prosecute the suspects whom they seem to worship and who are singing with them? Ocampo has a live video from right in front of the Hague Court to prove the suspects run the legislature and the government which wants to pretend it can prosecute them. Talk about shooting yourself in the head twice. How does that happen? Simple. These guys wanted to turn the ICC issue into political theatre and at every turn they are making Ocampo's work much easier than it could have been. Talk about dumb and dumber. Now let's wait for that big "homecoming" rally. hehehehehe. Be careful dudes. BRING IT ON. And who could have thought of this. The practical wheels of justice in front of Muthaura, the kingpin of the Kibaki madness for 9 years, now spinning into the hands of strange judges far from from home. It is what it is.
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Post by shifta on Apr 9, 2011 6:26:59 GMT 3
Gemagema, Makokha writes satire with a wink and a nod, don't take it literal
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 10, 2011 0:22:17 GMT 3
SHAME SHAME! ARE THEY PRAYING FOR MURDERERS OF IDP'S THESE FOLKS HAVE NO SHAME.. I HOPE THEY DON'T SEE INSIDE THE 2012 PARLIAMENT...2007-08 MEMORIES UHURU KENYATTA HINT OF SMILE AT THE CORNER OF HIS MOUTH WHEN CHARGES WERE READ TO HIM AT THE ICC COURT MUTHAURA THROUGH HIS LAWYER DISTANCES HIMSELF FROM THE OTHER OCAMPO 5.... LET THE MOVIE BEGIN AS RUTO SAYS...NA MAMBO BADO..
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 10, 2011 1:06:02 GMT 3
And this is just great. It is amazing that some Kenyan politicians think that hate speech is good for Kenya and that if Uhuru and Ruto are not allowed to spew hatred between Kenyans through lies and incitement, then their minions will do it on their behalf. And one more thing, Ocampo asked the court to enhance the conditions on Uhuru, Muthaura and Ali. The court has instructed the defense lawyers of the three to respond to the new requests by Friday April 15, 2011. It seems shortly after that the court will make a ruling. What is of note is that if the court intended to reject the new demands the court would not have asked for a response from the defense team. The fact that the court has asked for a response, means the court is considering the demands. So yeah, go ahead with your hate speech and falsehoods. It will be music to Ocampo's ears. Here is the hate mob ready to pounce: Bring it on. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Ocampo+Six+allies+threaten+to+defy+hate+speech+warning+/-/1064/1141860/-/15um1nlz/-/index.html
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Post by job on Apr 10, 2011 5:09:44 GMT 3
And this is just great. It is amazing that some Kenyan politicians think that hate speech is good for Kenya and that if Uhuru and Ruto are not allowed to spew hatred between Kenyans through lies and incitement, then their minions will do it on their behalf. And one more thing, Ocampo asked the court to enhance the conditions on Uhuru, Muthaura and Ali. The court has instructed the defense lawyers of the three to respond to the new requests by Friday April 15, 2011. It seems shortly after that the court will make a ruling. What is of note is that if the court intended to reject the new demands the court would not have asked for a response from the defense team. The fact that the court has asked for a response, means the court is considering the demands. So yeah, go ahead with your hate speech and falsehoods. It will be music to Ocampo's ears. Here is the hate mob ready to pounce: Bring it on. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Ocampo+Six+allies+threaten+to+defy+hate+speech+warning+/-/1064/1141860/-/15um1nlz/-/index.htmlI stated earlier that the homecoming rallies are the best thing for ALL those who want Justice guaranteed through the Hague process. The point is - you can't control the rhetoric once you give the junior politicians the microphone. They will take the hate and incitement to the next level. Why the hate, anger and agitation from the ICC suspects? - because kimundu supports the ICC process while opposing the now-dead bid for deferral. The truth is that more than 60% Kenyans support the ICC (& are against deferral). Thus, the hatred is by extension directed at majority of the population supporting justice (i.e Kenyans who refuse to line up behind the PEV warlords). More unforeseen trouble for the warlords is - after Kenyans just had their maiden live TV view of ICC for themselves - their confidence in the court is increasing. They already have very kind words for Ekaterina Trendafilova and her Judicial team. Start watching out for many baby Ekaterinas in Kenya soon. I can't bet much on baby Kaul though. So here we are facing a homecoming for suspects arriving from a friendly court that Kenyans actually like. The rally's theme is likely to veer towards a Kimundu bash-fest - in reality a hate-fest for the latter's enabling of Kenyans to start loving the ICC. Wait until the bejeeezus evidence starts pouring out on live TV. All eyes will be glued on TV cameras inside the ICC courtroom. Kenyans will send their wrath on anyone trying to deny them a chance to hear the horrific tales and testimonies from ICC, watch this space. Back to the impending Kimundu bash-fest, the onus and responsibility for all the hate-fest (aka DANGEROUS SPEECH) lies with the two ICC suspects leading the rally. At the end of the day, responsibility for all that's said and done (the good and the bad, including tribal incitement, hate peddling, et al.) lies with Uhuru Muigai Kenyatta and William Kipchirchir Ruto. Whichever way they want to characterize their earlier preceding rallies (peace rallies, reconciliation rallies, prayer rallies etc)- Judge Ekaterina already told them (& all Kenyans) what she thinks of them - that they were DANGEROUS SPEECHES that could turn their summonses into ARREST WARRANTS. Judge Ekaterina warned the two suspects, right in front of the millions of Kenyans, in broad day light on live-TV (re-run & replayed in all media channels) AGAINST a continuation of the same. If the O-2 want to stretch their luck to test the patience of these fair Judges, then let them assemble their best matusi crew and bring on the DANGEROUS SPEECHES. I will love it. They shall be received with vigelegele (ululations), rest assured. There shall be no ifs, ands or buts...ignorance is no defense. A leader already warned in court about dangerous speeches will not pretend to sit in a rally and have their dangerous speech spoken by a proxy only to pretend the have no control of subjects sitting beside them at the dias. The legal explanations may come to them from behind the shiny metal grills at the Hague. The rallies of the last two weeks may have been intended to sway the UN Security Council that ICC prosecutions are indeed endangering peace and stability, but look what they yielded. A warning for impending arrest warrants, and a mallet-hit over the deferral dream. Wow! Looks like Mzee Moi is one wise man. As if answering Uhuru and Ruto's pretence that they were on prayer rallies, Moi figuratively told them "hapana omba kwa barabara" (don't pray by the roadside - insinuation; if its genuine, go pray in churches). He told them Ocampo yuko hapa Kapte-something (where he was). Yup - those rally pronouncements reached the Hague. Even before Uhuru set foot at the Hague, ICC got to "meet" him upfront through DANGEROUS SPEECHES. His claim about having been the "peace angel" preaching peace during PEV came down crashing. Did he fall into kimundu's trap of matusi-baiting just before his first court date? Well, the fact is - his arrival at the ICC was punctuated with a warning about dangerous speeches. Lastly, I checked the 'national' line-up of the homecoming committee and saw the simple equation below: KKK + (sentimental flowers from the rest of Kenya's former Provinces) - (Nyanza).It's quite a fantastic equation to lend use to the elite K's post-Kibaki hegemonic dreams. The elite architects like John Michuki are watching in glee as foot-soldiers like Mwangi Kiunjuri et al., organize the 'national choir' firmly behind them. Over to you the homecomers! Justice is on the way.
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Post by job on Apr 10, 2011 8:38:35 GMT 3
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Post by savekenya011 on Apr 10, 2011 9:35:23 GMT 3
... Actually the point I wanted to make is that people that fly business or first class rarely remind anyone the class they fly in unless it is a rare opportunity to fly in that class. The minor detail from him that he was flying business class is nothing more than excitement about flying in that class. Kamale, Many a time i dont see eye to eye with you but on this account.Am inclined to kind of agree with you! ;D Something that is "normal" to one never comes across as needing to be pointed out, like flying whichever class. Unless ofcourse it is an out of the ordinary experience . (ofcourse to every rule there is an exception.Maybe Miguna's case is an exception! ) That was a btw. To the core of the issue; true, just like you, i think both sides of the political divide be it PNU/KKK and or ODM, are engaged in squandering our money as taxpayers!The only difference is who is squamdering more of it than the other(s). And could that be the reason that the "agrieved" side not getting equal share of the "loot" complaining or could they be complaining about it because it is wrong? Sure I support you in challenging the PM's advisor, Mr. Miguna to come out and tell us who and how facilitated his "observing" trip to the hague? If indeed it is us, the taxpayers who sponsored it, (without our express permission, so that he could go come back and sling mad on people about the same thing he has done/is doing), then he definitely does not have any moral ground to be throwing stones because he, just like them, lives in a huuuuuuuge glass castle!
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Post by gachquota on Apr 10, 2011 18:29:54 GMT 3
Ruto thinks its a movie.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Apr 11, 2011 21:35:34 GMT 3
PRICELESS! Its how I want these folks remembered, as suspects facing the most grievous crimes possible in the ICC International Court at the Hague. Indelible memories! [/quote]
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Post by shifta on Apr 12, 2011 5:17:07 GMT 3
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Post by kasuku on Apr 12, 2011 13:33:16 GMT 3
Can someone please make this clear to me? These Queen Lawyers and his colleague; when they were in the country, were they invited by the government to come to Kenya to advice Uhuru or the Government? Or are Uhuru and the Government in this case one and the same.
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