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Post by phil on Oct 5, 2012 11:52:28 GMT 3
Raila Odinga 28.6%, Uhuru 21.5%, William Ruto 14.5% (wow!) Kalonzo Musyoka 9.9% among eligible voters (including those who are yet to register). Raila Odinga and Uhuru Kenyatta statistically tied among registered voters (on current voter register) thank you....still waiting for the link Kamale, Link will come later. I am doing you a favour giving you information real time. Gallup are at this moment releasing the first of their findings at a Nairobi Hotel and attendance was strictly via prior booking. The report is titled: Kenya Votes 2013: Attitudes Toward the Election, Judicial System & SecurityI have to say these Gallup guys are much more professional than Ipsos Synovate which we know is playing political games.
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Post by OtishOtish on Oct 5, 2012 17:43:55 GMT 3
Meanwhile, back at the Hague ... Bensouda has narrowed the gap between Uhuru's palatial home and a 12-by-12 cell.
•murder (article 7(l)(a)); •deportation or forcible transfer (article 7(l)(d)); •rape (article 7(l)(g)); •persecution (articles 7(l)(h)); and •other inhumane acts (article 7(l)(k)).
Hard to believe that this guy is a serious presidential candidate.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Oct 5, 2012 18:27:32 GMT 3
Meanwhile, back at the Hague ... Bensouda has narrowed the gap between Uhuru's palatial home and a 12-by-12 cell. •murder (article 7(l)(a)); •deportation or forcible transfer (article 7(l)(d)); •rape (article 7(l)(g)); •persecution (articles 7(l)(h)); and •other inhumane acts (article 7(l)(k)). Hard to believe that this guy is a serious presidential candidate. Mu friend, we have a million and one threads on jukwaa dealing with your baby, the ICC. Find one of them and transfer your post there. Don't hijack threads that have nothing to do with ICC just to keep yourself relevant here. Currently, the country is focusing on other things while you are still fixated with such dead matters. Even your own boss, Raila gave up on this thing long time ago, talk to him, you might just wake up from your slumber.
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Post by OtishOtish on Oct 5, 2012 18:38:50 GMT 3
Meanwhile, back at the Hague ... Bensouda has narrowed the gap between Uhuru's palatial home and a 12-by-12 cell. •murder (article 7(l)(a)); •deportation or forcible transfer (article 7(l)(d)); •rape (article 7(l)(g)); •persecution (articles 7(l)(h)); and •other inhumane acts (article 7(l)(k)). Hard to believe that this guy is a serious presidential candidate. Mu friend, we have a million and one threads on jukwaa dealing with your baby, the ICC. Find one of them and transfer your post there. Don't hijack threads that have nothing to do with ICC just to keep yourself relevant here. Currently, the country is focusing on other things while you are still fixated with such dead matters. Fiend:Uhuru cannot be mentioned without the ICC coming into the picture; so my posting is quite legitimate. What other things are the country focused on? With elections coming up, I can't think of many things more important than having mass rapists and mass murderers running for the highest office after what they did at the last elections. Given the above, I must decline your invitation to transfer to another thread. Instead, I invite you to join me in denouncing Uhuru and his followers.
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Post by kamalet on Oct 5, 2012 18:41:08 GMT 3
thank you....still waiting for the link Kamale, Link will come later. I am doing you a favour giving you information real time. Gallup are at this moment releasing the first of their findings at a Nairobi Hotel and attendance was strictly via prior booking. The report is titled: Kenya Votes 2013: Attitudes Toward the Election, Judicial System & SecurityI have to say these Gallup guys are much more professional than Ipsos Synovate which we know is playing political games. Phil Got the link after all: www.gallup.com/file/poll/157898/ ... 5thOct.pdf Dead heat between Raila and Uhuru!
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Post by akinyi2005 on Oct 5, 2012 18:47:41 GMT 3
Meanwhile, back at the Hague ... Bensouda has narrowed the gap between Uhuru's palatial home and a 12-by-12 cell. •murder (article 7(l)(a)); •deportation or forcible transfer (article 7(l)(d)); •rape (article 7(l)(g)); •persecution (articles 7(l)(h)); and •other inhumane acts (article 7(l)(k)). Hard to believe that this guy is a serious presidential candidate. SHAME!!!
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Post by joblesscorner on Oct 5, 2012 20:14:30 GMT 3
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Oct 5, 2012 20:21:32 GMT 3
Mu friend, we have a million and one threads on jukwaa dealing with your baby, the ICC. Find one of them and transfer your post there. Don't hijack threads that have nothing to do with ICC just to keep yourself relevant here. Currently, the country is focusing on other things while you are still fixated with such dead matters. Fiend:Uhuru cannot be mentioned without the ICC coming into the picture; so my posting is quite legitimate. What other things are the country focused on? With elections coming up, I can't think of many things more important than having mass rapists and mass murderers running for the highest office after what they did at the last elections. Given the above, I must decline your invitation to transfer to another thread. Instead, I invite you to join me in denouncing Uhuru and his followers. Here my friend: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=7429Jobless just made it very easy for you.
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Post by OtishOtish on Oct 5, 2012 20:27:21 GMT 3
Kosgey said that? Well then, the 4 must be innocent and will be set free! What needs to be done now is that the Standard article should be forwarded immediately to the ICC Trial Chamber V. Once the judges there read it, they will probably just cancel the trials. CC: Defence Ruto & Sang, Defence Uhuru and Muthaura, OTP
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Post by b6k on Oct 5, 2012 21:48:13 GMT 3
tied at what percentage.......and link? Raila Odinga 28.6%, Uhuru 21.5%, William Ruto 14.5% (wow!) Kalonzo Musyoka 9.9% among eligible voters (including those who are yet to register). Raila Odinga and Uhuru Kenyatta statistically tied among registered voters (on current voter register) Phil, ati "wow!"? So you believe Gallup over Synovate? Kindly add up the numbers of Uhuru, Ruto & Kalonzo & then spin why Raila isn't having sleepless nights over events in KE of late...
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Post by kamalet on Oct 19, 2012 16:22:41 GMT 3
The Economist: Politics and justice
Oct 10th 2012, 0:01 by D.H. | NAIROBI ..
TWO seemingly contradictory messages emerged from a recent survey of public opinion in Kenya. The first is that Kenyans overwhelmingly support the International Criminal Court (ICC) at The Hague, where the alleged ringleaders of the violence that followed the country’s disputed election in 2007 are due to be tried next year. The second is that in the presidential election scheduled for March, the majority of voters intend to support either a candidate who is among those the ICC has indicted, or one who plans to save them from being put in the dock at The Hague.
African leaders regularly denounce the ICC for its supposed bias against the continent; but popular opinion in Kenya, which has east Africa's biggest economy, is apparently firmly on its side. According to the survey carried out by Gallup, a polling company, seven out of ten Kenyans approve of the international court. The lengthy investigation into the post-election violence that left 1,500 people dead and hundreds of thousands displaced, identified six suspects who were accused of being “most responsible” for the mayhem. The pre-trial chamber found that there was sufficient evidence to try four of those six—including two leading presidential hopefuls, Uhuru Kenyatta, a deputy prime minister and son of Kenya's first president, and William Ruto, a former higher education minister. Their supporters have argued for a local tribunal, despite the failure of the Kenyan judiciary to make any progress on the issue when it had the chance, before the case was transferred to the ICC. But fewer than a third of those surveyed want any trial to be moved to Kenya, and 91% are opposed to hearings being held elsewhere in Africa.
Yet it seems that support for the ICC plays little part in determining voter intentions next March. Mr Kenyatta and Mr Ruto—who are due at The Hague soon after the election—came second and third after Raila Odinga, the current prime minister, with 22% and 15% respectively, of those polled. When support for their political allies Kalonzo Musyoka, the vice-president, and Musalia Mudavadi, another deputy prime minister, is added up, that far outweighs the 29% who intend to vote for Mr Odinga. Mr Mudavadi, a former ally of Mr Odinga, is widely seen as a stooge of Mr Kenyatta. Should Mr Kenyatta and Mr Ruto be forced to withdraw from the race, their supporters are expected to flock to Mr Mudavadi, who might then defeat Mr Odinga in a run-off. Mr Mudavadi has begun to talk openly about shutting down the ICC proceedings and bringing the case back to Kenya.
Given such conflicting views and emotions, it is unsurprising that the survey also found that almost a quarter of Kenyans expect a repeat of the violence that followed the last election.The following comments aptly captures the views of many Kenyans!!! This poll has absolutely no coherence with the real facts on the ground. It seems to be an attempt to market and promote that darling of western governments, Raila Odinga. Having lived in Kenya for years now, I can assure you that western governments are backing the wrong horse. Raila will not win. In fact, preliminary indicators are that he will not even qualify for the run-off. The greatest danger to western interests in Kenya is the over-reliance on the representations of diplomats whose perspectives are thoroughly poisoned by NGOs and activists most of which are populated by Raila sympathizers. I expect that Raila's support is in the mid tens. About 16%. Continuing to support this guy (and let's face it; we love him because he is a fawning, smiling, manipulable African good boy from a bad blaxploitation movie) is a waste of time and money. Western governments really need to take a step back and think. Raila will not win and our support for him will only push Kenya deep into the arms of the Chinese. Stephen Preston, Nairobiwww.economist.com/blogs/baobab/2012/10/public-opinion-kenya#comments
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Post by joblesscorner on Oct 19, 2012 16:43:55 GMT 3
Kamale,
Where did you harvest this article from? Good analysis. "I can assure you that western governments are backing the wrong horse." that say's it all.
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Post by kamalet on Oct 19, 2012 17:09:02 GMT 3
Kamale, Where did you harvest this article from? Good analysis. "I can assure you that western governments are backing the wrong horse." that say's it all. ".....we love him because he is a fawning, smiling, manipulable African good boy from a bad blaxploitation movie"!!!
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Post by mugabe on Oct 19, 2012 17:14:56 GMT 3
absolute and utter rubbish
Stephen Preston real name is probably Moses Kuria. Ascribing your silly views to a mzungu and turning around to 'like' them is beyond a joke
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Post by mzee on Oct 19, 2012 17:17:01 GMT 3
The Economist: Politics and justice
Oct 10th 2012, 0:01 by D.H. | NAIROBI ..
TWO seemingly contradictory messages emerged from a recent survey of public opinion in Kenya. The first is that Kenyans overwhelmingly support the International Criminal Court (ICC) at The Hague, where the alleged ringleaders of the violence that followed the country�s disputed election in 2007 are due to be tried next year. The second is that in the presidential election scheduled for March, the majority of voters intend to support either a candidate who is among those the ICC has indicted, or one who plans to save them from being put in the dock at The Hague.
African leaders regularly denounce the ICC for its supposed bias against the continent; but popular opinion in Kenya, which has east Africa's biggest economy, is apparently firmly on its side. According to the survey carried out by Gallup, a polling company, seven out of ten Kenyans approve of the international court. The lengthy investigation into the post-election violence that left 1,500 people dead and hundreds of thousands displaced, identified six suspects who were accused of being �most responsible� for the mayhem. The pre-trial chamber found that there was sufficient evidence to try four of those six�including two leading presidential hopefuls, Uhuru Kenyatta, a deputy prime minister and son of Kenya's first president, and William Ruto, a former higher education minister. Their supporters have argued for a local tribunal, despite the failure of the Kenyan judiciary to make any progress on the issue when it had the chance, before the case was transferred to the ICC. But fewer than a third of those surveyed want any trial to be moved to Kenya, and 91% are opposed to hearings being held elsewhere in Africa.
Yet it seems that support for the ICC plays little part in determining voter intentions next March. Mr Kenyatta and Mr Ruto�who are due at The Hague soon after the election�came second and third after Raila Odinga, the current prime minister, with 22% and 15% respectively, of those polled. When support for their political allies Kalonzo Musyoka, the vice-president, and Musalia Mudavadi, another deputy prime minister, is added up, that far outweighs the 29% who intend to vote for Mr Odinga. Mr Mudavadi, a former ally of Mr Odinga, is widely seen as a stooge of Mr Kenyatta. Should Mr Kenyatta and Mr Ruto be forced to withdraw from the race, their supporters are expected to flock to Mr Mudavadi, who might then defeat Mr Odinga in a run-off. Mr Mudavadi has begun to talk openly about shutting down the ICC proceedings and bringing the case back to Kenya.
Given such conflicting views and emotions, it is unsurprising that the survey also found that almost a quarter of Kenyans expect a repeat of the violence that followed the last election.The following comments aptly captures the views of many Kenyans!!! This poll has absolutely no coherence with the real facts on the ground. It seems to be an attempt to market and promote that darling of western governments, Raila Odinga. Having lived in Kenya for years now, I can assure you that western governments are backing the wrong horse. Raila will not win. In fact, preliminary indicators are that he will not even qualify for the run-off. The greatest danger to western interests in Kenya is the over-reliance on the representations of diplomats whose perspectives are thoroughly poisoned by NGOs and activists most of which are populated by Raila sympathizers. I expect that Raila's support is in the mid tens. About 16%. Continuing to support this guy (and let's face it; we love him because he is a fawning, smiling, manipulable African good boy from a bad blaxploitation movie) is a waste of time and money. Western governments really need to take a step back and think. Raila will not win and our support for him will only push Kenya deep into the arms of the Chinese. Stephen Preston, Nairobiwww.economist.com/blogs/baobab/2012/10/public-opinion-kenya#commentsHe he he. What a funny and silly article
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Post by mugabe on Oct 19, 2012 17:23:47 GMT 3
So a so-called Mzungu aka Stephen Preston knows more about what is happening at the ground than opinion pollsters, civil society and diplomats. As I said earlier, there is no Stephen Preston just a figment of the imagination.
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Post by akinyi2005 on Oct 19, 2012 18:07:36 GMT 3
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Post by mugabe on Oct 19, 2012 20:10:57 GMT 3
;D Exactly. The West is evil, the West is working with 'Raira', but somehow when it comes to getting lawyers and spin masters the West is good enough. Hypocrisy of the worst kind.
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Post by kamalet on Oct 20, 2012 13:24:29 GMT 3
;D Exactly. The West is evil, the West is working with 'Raira', but somehow when it comes to getting lawyers and spin masters the West is good enough. Hypocrisy of the worst kind. ...and you completely miss out on the context!
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Post by mzee on Oct 20, 2012 15:22:50 GMT 3
So a so-called Mzungu aka Stephen Preston knows more about what is happening at the ground than opinion pollsters, civil society and diplomats. As I said earlier, there is no Stephen Preston just a figment of the imagination. He is mzungu we just have to believe:
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Post by phil on Nov 9, 2012 11:38:13 GMT 3
JUST IN:
Infotrak release opinion polls: Presidential popularity...
Raila - 35%, Uhuru - 24%, Ruto - 10.3%, Musalia - 10%
Details to follow
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Post by raiswakesho on Nov 9, 2012 17:27:44 GMT 3
It's just a matter of hours before the usual characters pounce on Infotrak and dismiss it as fake!
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Post by kamalet on Nov 9, 2012 17:37:22 GMT 3
JUST IN: Infotrak release opinion polls: Presidential popularity... Raila - 35%, Uhuru - 24%, Ruto - 10.3%, Musalia - 10% Details to follow This Ambitho woman surely must think Kenyans are fools! Even ODmers know this cannot be correct unless the polls are based on Jan 2012 data! Mr Apology Odinga is in a lot more trouble and would not be as desperate if these polls are true! I am starting to get this feeling that Ambitho is working with URP by playing mind games on Raila as Ruto did!
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Post by Omwenga on Nov 9, 2012 17:53:59 GMT 3
It's just a matter of hours before the usual characters pounce on Infotrak and dismiss it as fake! ;D ;D Raiswakesho,What just happened in the US is very eerily familiar to what's happening in Kenya: When polls showed Obama winning, Republicans led by Right Wing Nutheads dismissed each one of them as being biased and skewed in favor of Obama. Yet, when the real votes were cast and counted, most of the polls were proven to be accurate as accurate can be. In fact, the worst polls turned out to be the ones showing Mitt Romney winning! When the unemployment numbers for the month of October were announced, the never before questioned Bureau of Labor Statistics that crunches and produces the numbers came under attack for the first time by these same now panicked Republicans who couldn't believe the numbers--yet they were real. Let me not go on but here is the point: just as in the US where those on the losing end buried their heads in the sand and refused to acknowledge the reality that Obama was victory bound, so too are the naysayers and anti-Railaists in Kenya burying their heads in the sand and refusing to believe the reality Raila is State House bound. The Republicans are now putting up a brave face and now claiming that Obama won because those who voted for him want freebies from government, which is one of the most stupid and idiotic reasons anyone can give but one can understand their frustration and inability to accept the reality that they lost because they had a poor candidate, are wrong on the issues that matter to most Americans and above all, a coalition of old, white men can never beat a coalition of women, non-whites and young people complemented by progressive whites. What will the anti-Railaists and haters blame his victory on?
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Post by mzee on Nov 9, 2012 18:25:40 GMT 3
How Raisiwakesho was right. Even before the ink on his pen dried up, the usual suspects were up in arms against infotrak. Infact the tune has now changed from infortrak working for Raila to cast Uhuruto in bad light to the pollster is working for Ruto to trick Raila. Omwenga, I think this is what you are talking about How Raisiwakesho was right. Even before the ink on his pen dried up, the usual suspects were up in arms against infotrak. Infact the tune has now changed from infortrak working for Raila to cast Uhuruto in bad light to the pollster is working for Ruto to trick Raila. Omwenga, I think this is what you are talking about Morrison predicts landslide for Romney Dick Morrison eats his words - accepts he was wrong. Just weird, just crazy
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