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Post by mwalimumkuu on Aug 14, 2012 6:56:40 GMT 3
Some of the scenes earlier today at the voting stations Not very unexpected. You now have an idea why they want a manual register.
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Post by okhunyanye on Aug 14, 2012 7:25:09 GMT 3
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Post by phil on Aug 14, 2012 7:26:53 GMT 3
ODM Ndhiwa nominations results; 1st A Neto Oyugi; 4278 votes 2nd Monica Amolo 1897, 3rd Mary Ojode 1397, 4th Beatrice Agola 1191,5th James Ogolla 1006
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Post by tnk on Aug 14, 2012 7:37:55 GMT 3
ODM Ndhiwa nominations results; 1st A Neto Oyugi; 4278 votes 2nd Monica Amolo 1897, 3rd Mary Ojode 1397, 4th Beatrice Agola 1191,5th James Ogolla 1006 those ladies should be encouraged to start networking for the special seats and women county reps. It appears that they have strong following
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Post by b6k on Aug 14, 2012 8:31:25 GMT 3
ODM Ndhiwa nominations results; 1st A Neto Oyugi; 4278 votes 2nd Monica Amolo 1897, 3rd Mary Ojode 1397, 4th Beatrice Agola 1191,5th James Ogolla 1006 The results belie the post you made last night where none of the ladies appeared. Your writing off of Mary Ojode was curious to say the least. Although there were said to be no "favoured" candidates, I wonder if she was a candidate who the party hoped to bring down at whatever cost thanks to the "sins"of her hubby, contrary to the usual KE arrangement where a widow is a shoe in...
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Post by phil on Aug 14, 2012 9:15:36 GMT 3
ODM Ndhiwa nominations results; 1st A Neto Oyugi; 4278 votes 2nd Monica Amolo 1897, 3rd Mary Ojode 1397, 4th Beatrice Agola 1191,5th James Ogolla 1006 The results belie the post you made last night where none of the ladies appeared. Your writing off of Mary Ojode was curious to say the least. Although there were said to be no "favoured" candidates, I wonder if she was a candidate who the party hoped to bring down at whatever cost thanks to the "sins"of her hubby, contrary to the usual KE arrangement where a widow is a shoe in... I do not know what you are trying to isinuate. Am sure you would have been the first to chide ODM for encouraging the politics of inheritance should Mrs Ojode have emerged the winner. But the ODM membership in Ndhiwa has spoken very clearly. These nominations were very competitive given the popularity of the party on the ground. Someone like Tom Obondo showed very strong signs at the beginning of the vote counting but faded off towards the end. It is a surprise because Tom was very active in Ndhiwa during the campaigns. Following announcement of results this morning, let us wait to observe and see those who will accept defeat graciously or those who will immediately defect to other parties, or those who will appeal to the party NEB in accordance with party nomination rules. FYI : All these candidates sort ODM nomination. All of them were ODM candidates. Now, can we please hear your views about nomination exercises by other leading parties in Kangema and Kajiado North?
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Post by kamalet on Aug 14, 2012 9:30:12 GMT 3
The results belie the post you made last night where none of the ladies appeared. Your writing off of Mary Ojode was curious to say the least. Although there were said to be no "favoured" candidates, I wonder if she was a candidate who the party hoped to bring down at whatever cost thanks to the "sins"of her hubby, contrary to the usual KE arrangement where a widow is a shoe in... I do not know what you are trying to isinuate. Am sure you would have been the first to chide ODM for encouraging the politics of inheritance should Mrs Ojode have emerged the winner. But the ODM membership in Ndhiwa has spoken very clearly. These nominations were very competitive given the popularity of the party on the ground. Someone like Tom Obondo showed very strong signs at the beginning of the vote counting but faded off towards the end. It is a surprise because Tom was very active in Ndhiwa during the campaigns. Following announcement of results this morning, let us wait to observe and see those who will accept defeat graciously or those who will immediately defect to other parties, or those who will appeal to the party NEB in accordance with party nomination rules. FYI : All these candidates sort ODM nomination. All of them were ODM candidates. Now, can we please hear your views about nomination exercises by other leading parties in Kangema and Kajiado North? Phil Your views about Mary Ojode were well known...and I can only hope you relationship with ODM did not reflect the attitude of the mandarins at Orange House. Care to comment on the impact of the violence and disorganisation to potential voters and their preferred candidate?
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Post by phil on Aug 14, 2012 9:45:30 GMT 3
Phil Your views about Mary Ojode were well known...and I can only hope you relationship with ODM did not reflect the attitude of the mandarins at Orange House. Care to comment on the impact of the violence and disorganisation to potential voters and their preferred candidate? Kamale There you go again, trying to divert this thread from questioning nomination exercises of other parties aside from ODM. My views about Mary Ojode are irrelevant at this point in time. The voters of Ndhiwa have spoken and spoken very well. I see the gap between the winner and Mrs Ojode (who was you favourite) is quite large, actually the winner trebled Mrs Ojode. I can comment about candidates planted by TNA, URP and PNU. It is an open secret that Hague suspects Uhuru and Ruto both had there candidates collected forms at ODM and seek the party nomination. Kibaki too had his favourite. I wonder why they do not bring their candidates via their own parties!? Wake us all up when ODM opponents complete their by-election primaries.
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Post by kamalet on Aug 14, 2012 10:05:44 GMT 3
Phil Your views about Mary Ojode were well known...and I can only hope you relationship with ODM did not reflect the attitude of the mandarins at Orange House. Care to comment on the impact of the violence and disorganisation to potential voters and their preferred candidate? Kamale There you go again, trying to divert this thread from questioning nomination exercises of other parties aside from ODM. My views about Mary Ojode are irrelevant at this point in time. The voters of Ndhiwa have spoken and spoken very well. I see the gap between the winner and Mrs Ojode (who was you favourite) is quite large, actually the winner trebled Mrs Ojode. I can comment about candidates planted by TNA, URP and PNU. It is an open secret that Hague suspects Uhuru and Ruto both had there candidates collected forms at ODM and seek the party nomination. Kibaki too had his favourite. I wonder why they do not bring their candidates via their own parties!? Wake us all up when ODM opponents complete their by-election primaries. Phil I do not give a rats ass who won the Ndhiwa ODM nominations and Mary Ojode could have won or lost and it would still have not changed my mind. The fact that you cannot address yourself the difficulties of the ODM nomination only seeming content that the 'people have spoken' without worrying for those that were perhaps chased away by the violence only shows your idea of a democratic society! How Uhuru or Ruto get their nominees through is really not a concern of mine as I do not belong to their parties nor do I support either of their candidacies!
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Post by phil on Aug 14, 2012 10:12:02 GMT 3
Kamale There you go again, trying to divert this thread from questioning nomination exercises of other parties aside from ODM. My views about Mary Ojode are irrelevant at this point in time. The voters of Ndhiwa have spoken and spoken very well. I see the gap between the winner and Mrs Ojode (who was you favourite) is quite large, actually the winner trebled Mrs Ojode. I can comment about candidates planted by TNA, URP and PNU. It is an open secret that Hague suspects Uhuru and Ruto both had there candidates collected forms at ODM and seek the party nomination. Kibaki too had his favourite. I wonder why they do not bring their candidates via their own parties!? Wake us all up when ODM opponents complete their by-election primaries. Phil I do not give a rats ass who won the Ndhiwa ODM nominations and Mary Ojode could have won or lost and it would still have not changed my mind. The fact that you cannot address yourself the difficulties of the ODM nomination only seeming content that the 'people have spoken' without worrying for those that were perhaps chased away by the violence only shows your idea of a democratic society! How Uhuru or Ruto get their nominees through is really not a concern of mine as I do not belong to their parties nor do I support either of their candidacies! ODM is a self-sustaining party trying to build our democracy against massive odds. That would mean starting another thread to explain to you the challenges of political parties in Kenya. You only want to talk about ODM and all your comments on this thread have been about ODM.....why cant ODM also not be a concern of yours???
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Post by b6k on Aug 14, 2012 12:26:20 GMT 3
The results belie the post you made last night where none of the ladies appeared. Your writing off of Mary Ojode was curious to say the least. Although there were said to be no "favoured" candidates, I wonder if she was a candidate who the party hoped to bring down at whatever cost thanks to the "sins"of her hubby, contrary to the usual KE arrangement where a widow is a shoe in... I do not know what you are trying to isinuate. Am sure you would have been the first to chide ODM for encouraging the politics of inheritance should Mrs Ojode have emerged the winner. But the ODM membership in Ndhiwa has spoken very clearly. These nominations were very competitive given the popularity of the party on the ground. Someone like Tom Obondo showed very strong signs at the beginning of the vote counting but faded off towards the end. It is a surprise because Tom was very active in Ndhiwa during the campaigns. Following announcement of results this morning, let us wait to observe and see those who will accept defeat graciously or those who will immediately defect to other parties, or those who will appeal to the party NEB in accordance with party nomination rules. FYI : All these candidates sort ODM nomination. All of them were ODM candidates. Now, can we please hear your views about nomination exercises by other leading parties in Kangema and Kajiado North? I'm not insinuating anything. I'm suggesting ODM threw the widow under the bus. But as you say, I do agree that politics of inheritance isn't the best way to go. The people have spoken. Let it rest at that.
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Post by kamalet on Aug 14, 2012 13:16:54 GMT 3
Phil
Even after the chaos and the unanimous view of the contestants that lost that the poll was unfair....is ODM still satisfied?
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Post by phil on Aug 14, 2012 14:06:26 GMT 3
Phil Even after the chaos and the unanimous view of the contestants that lost that the poll was unfair....is ODM still satisfied? You appear not to have read the statement by the party on the Ratanga poling station incidences. Go back on this page, I actually posted it there. It is actually the party returning officers who were attacked by rowdy youth (sent by one of of the candidates) who suspected that the voting materials they were carrying were stuffed ballot boxes. This situation was contained by the party headquarters who sent replacement voting materials and voting proceeded very well into the evening. Each and every candidate, in seeking ODM nomination, signs an undertaking to abide by the ODM constitution and ODM electoral code of conduct. The losing parties have an option to appeal with evidence if they so wish. They had their agents at every polling station so I still do not understand how a candidate complains if their agents signed the forms approving the conduct of the elections from each and every polling station. I guess talking to media reps from Nairobi is a chance to be seen on national TV for some of these folks. The party has promised to take action on the candidate concerned in accordance with the party electoral code of conduct. CAN WE NOW PLEASE MOVE ON TO SEE JUST HOW PEACEFUL THE ISSUE OF PRIMARIES HANDING OUT DIRECT NOMINATION WENT ON IN OTHER PARTIES?
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Post by phil on Aug 14, 2012 16:03:19 GMT 3
Mkenya Party To Watch In Kangema Monday, 13 August 2012 13:02 BY NGUNJIRI WAMBUGU
Last weekend I was a guest at the Mkenya Solidarity Movement rally in Kangema, Muranga where I got to meet the party’s senior officials: chairman Watson Simiyu, vice chairman Suleiman Mraja, secretary general Joyce Mwabingu, organising secretary Peter Njoroge and national youth leader John Abok.
The first order of business was the introduction of John Gathogo, their candidate for the Kangema by-election due next month. My first observation was that this candidate is different from the rest. He is young (early 30s) and clearly has no resources of his own for this election, so he will depend entirely on the party for support and resources to run his campaign. However, he has some amazing ideas of what he can do for Kangema as MP.
As I sat there I marvelled at the power of Kenya’s new constitution. Here is a man with no material means being sponsored by a political party that has openly associated with former members of a proscribed group to run for a seat formerly held by a man who had used extreme prejudice to eradicate members of the said group. The late minister must have been turning in his grave!
The next observation was when the national party leadership lined up on the dais and strongly denounced their leader GG Kariuki. It seems that earlier in the day as the party officials were busy opening party offices in Kangema and Kiriani towns, Mr Kariuki, who was not present, had allegedly told the press that Mkenya Solidarity Movement was part of Uhuru Kenyatta’s TNA party!
The party leadership present in Muranga decided to use the rally to clarify that the party leader had no capacity to make such comments and categorically stated that Mkenya Solidarity Movement is an independent party that intends to participate in every election henceforth, at all levels. Again I could not help but notice the irony, as well as appreciate the power of our new constitution.
Here were these leaders, with very low national profiles, standing up in front of a crowd of more than 8,000 people to tell off a nationally recognised former minister for daring to “think for them”. The only reason they were able to do this was because they are recognised as leaders of a legally registered political party by our laws. So the new constitution not only allows parties like Mkenya to field a candidate in a former powerful Internal Security minister’s constituency, it also lets them use such a platform to tell off another former powerful Internal Security minister for trying to interfere with a party he leads!
However, a few words of advice for the Mkenya's officials. The party, in my opinion, represents hope for a specific group of Kenyans especially from Rift Valley, Central and Coast provinces, who have deliberately been isolated from mainstream national development. They can now organise politically and bring their issues to the national arena. It gives young men and women like Gathogo a platform to ‘dare’ against the ‘owners of regions’.
Mkenya must keep this in focus in whatever political engagements it enters with other political players. They must be careful not to sell out their party for short-term gain, because a whole section of Kenya’s population is looking at them for direction. They must, therefore, negotiate only with those who will consider the party as an independent political establishment with the right to field candidates wherever they want in Kenya, in all elections.
As for those who accuse them of working with former suspected criminals, Mkenya must insist that the justice card applies across the board for all Kenyans. If individuals confirmed to have crimes against humanity cases can hold national positions and run for the highest office in the land using the argument that they are innocent until they exhaust all avenues for defence, then so are their members. Mkenya could even go a step further on this argument and use its new-found political platform to pursue justice for victims of extra-judicial killings over the years. They can demand that any police officer who has been involved in such killings should be charged with murder for killing Kenyans without allowing them the right to exhaust the entire appeal process available to more powerful and richer Kenyans, for worse crimes.
Mkenya should make the by-election a referendum between two groups of Kangema voters; those who supported Michuki’s shoot-to-kill actions against his own people in his constituency, and those who lost sons, brothers, husbands, fathers and friends to ‘coffins being buried every week’, never to see them prosecuted in a court of law and thus getting closure on whether such loss was justified.
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Post by akinyi2005 on Aug 14, 2012 16:12:53 GMT 3
With over 20 candidates fighting for the ODM ticket, am not surprised things turned out the way they did. youthful neto deserves support and i hope the losers acknowledge this and move on. He's beaten them before and he's repeated it again. Am informed that Neto made his debut at elective Politics in 2007, coming second to the late Orwa Ojode polling 4471 to Ojode’s 4821 at the Orange Democratic Party Primaries, which Primary saw 10 contestants participate.
Who is agostinho neto? (from his website) •Born Neto Agostinho on 1st January, 1976 to Mr and Mrs Nicholas Oyugi Ligawa, Neto was the Seventh born in a family of Sixteen. He attended Homa-Bay and Asego Primary Schools in Homabay County, later joining the Alliance High School, Kikuyu.
•He holds a Bachelors degree in Law from the University of Nairobi, Diploma in Marketing and Sales Management from the Graffins College in Nairobi and a Diploma in French from the Alliance Francaise de Nairobi.
•He has worked with several Non Governmental organizations doing Human Rights Development work. He currently works as the Kenya Coordinator, The Constant Gardener Trust which is a UK based Charity.
•He has initiated several development projects within Ndhiwa Constituency which include community dispensaries and Classrooms. He has supported several community fund raisers for Women Groups, Youth groups, Churches, Schools, Hospitals amongst other fund raisers. Hesupports about 47 needy students at Secondary school and Tertiarylevel educational institutes.
•He has continued to engage in Politics at the Constituency, County and National Level. Neto plans to contest the by-election in Ndhiwa due sometime in 2012 and the General Election in 2013.
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Post by raiswakesho on Aug 14, 2012 16:18:58 GMT 3
If ODM can't carry out an efficient nomination exercise in only one constituency then it's facing a nightmare in few months when the party embarks on the main nominations. How do you announce a winner without giving details of how the competitors performed? Who trains these election officials? I hope ODM and other parties will learn and plan well as we head into the general elections.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Aug 14, 2012 17:12:32 GMT 3
If ODM can't carry out an efficient nomination exercise in only one constituency then it's facing a nightmare in few months when the party embarks on the main nominations. How do you announce a winner without giving details of how the competitors performed? Who trains these election officials? I hope ODM and other parties will learn and plan well as we head into the general elections. Rais, Good observation. Yet you will here them claim to have the capacity to run a country. Bure tu hii watu.
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Post by nereah on Aug 14, 2012 17:16:12 GMT 3
congratulation to the three sisters for the impressive showing especially the runner's up.
i am tempted to believe that the ndhiwa primary was an electoral choice between giving space to the youth that the victor, netto is and the female gender,that odm stalwart,my choice and favourite dada mornica amollo ;D remains by default.
i am confident that mornica will be in the next parliament,lower house, through democratic means.
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Post by phil on Aug 14, 2012 17:46:44 GMT 3
If ODM can't carry out an efficient nomination exercise in only one constituency then it's facing a nightmare in few months when the party embarks on the main nominations. How do you announce a winner without giving details of how the competitors performed? Who trains these election officials? I hope ODM and other parties will learn and plan well as we head into the general elections. Are you sure you have not seen the published Ndhiwa nomination results or you just want to court attention by pointing fingers for the sake of making a post in Jukwaa? Perhaps you ought to ask those parties which have NOT conducted primaries for their results for us to see. ODM is very transparent and very democratic in so far as Ndhiwa nominations are concerned.
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Post by jeff on Aug 14, 2012 18:08:56 GMT 3
TNA will conduct its nomination for Kajiado North tomorrow. The party will use electronic tallying. Here is a glimpse of their tallying centre.
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Post by jeff on Aug 14, 2012 18:20:01 GMT 3
If ODM can't carry out an efficient nomination exercise in only one constituency then it's facing a nightmare in few months when the party embarks on the main nominations. How do you announce a winner without giving details of how the competitors performed? Who trains these election officials? I hope ODM and other parties will learn and plan well as we head into the general elections. Are you sure you have not seen the published Ndhiwa nomination results or you just want to court attention by pointing fingers for the sake of making a post in Jukwaa? Perhaps you ought to ask those parties which have NOT conducted primaries for their results for us to see. ODM is very transparent and very democratic in so far as Ndhiwa nominations are concerned. Fury as Neto declared Ndhiwa ODM candidate [/quote]Oyugi beat 21 other candidates in the controversial polls by garnering 4,278 votes out of a total of 7,278 cast ballots. His competitors however doubted the credibility of the results wondering how 21 aspirants got the remaining 3,000 votes. More questions also arose when Returning Officer Elias Kiton declined to announce the results of the other contestants while declaring Oyugi’s win. “We were denied a chance to know how we performed and that indicates rigging. Kiton refused to announce our results for no apparent reason,” protested one of the candidates, Monica Amollo.[/quote] www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2012/08/fury-as-neto-declared-ndhiwa-odm-candidate/
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Post by einstein on Aug 14, 2012 20:18:54 GMT 3
ODM Ndhiwa nominations results; 1st A Neto Oyugi; 4278 votes 2nd Monica Amolo 1897, 3rd Mary Ojode 1397, 4th Beatrice Agola 1191,5th James Ogolla 1006 If only these top three female candidates strategised together and backed ONLY one amongst them, they would have beaten the male opponents!! Lone-ranger tactics will always work against women viz-a-viz men in Kenyan politics. Politics is one area where women MUST learn to be selfish if they are to achieve the one-third gender law on their own and not be given favours on a silver platter!
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Post by raiswakesho on Aug 14, 2012 20:40:19 GMT 3
The party nominations coming later during the year will be an elephant task to all the parties and going by the past, no party will be able to pull it off efficiently and fairly without outsourcing source such exercise to IEBC. Voters will be required to nominate country reps, women reps, MPs, Senators, Governors all in one day among many contenders. How will the poorly trained and mostly inexperienced party officials run such a task?
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Post by b6k on Aug 15, 2012 15:18:05 GMT 3
Now, can we please hear your views about nomination exercises by other leading parties in Kangema and Kajiado North? Phil, I'm sure you'll be pleased to hear that Citizen News is reporting "poor voter turnout & delayed voting" at the TNA polling stations in Kajiado & Kangema...
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Post by phil on Aug 15, 2012 15:31:31 GMT 3
Now, can we please hear your views about nomination exercises by other leading parties in Kangema and Kajiado North? Phil, I'm sure you'll be pleased to hear that Citizen News is reporting "poor voter turnout & delayed voting" at the TNA polling stations in Kajiado & Kangema... Well well well. People living in glass houses....! Just like it happened on the day of launching this party, financial muscle is on display at TNA so called electronic tallying for party nominations. In fact nominations in Kangema were suspended because candidates disagreed and in Kajiado voters have been imported by someone who is hell bent on installing Ole Sakuda as TNA candidate. Prof Saitoti must be turning in his grave because as PNU Chairman, he would have expected PNU alliance parties to line up behind a candidate nominated by PNU especially for this Kajiado North parliamentary seat. Talk of dancing on people's graves! TNA nominations amounts to nothing but showbiz
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