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Post by tnk on Sept 17, 2012 21:39:38 GMT 3
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Post by mzee on Sept 17, 2012 21:49:38 GMT 3
There was no way on earth anyone could have beaten Ole Sekuda. The man beat Saitoti last time, only that the late Saitoti rigged him out.
ODM is my party of choice but I think that giving up a person like sekuda in favor of the guy who lost was a poor move. The party has to find away of keeping winners.
Congratulations to mr. Kenyatta. He is fairing better than Ruto
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Post by kamalet on Sept 17, 2012 21:50:27 GMT 3
TNA Clinches two seats and ODM one in its backyard. Overall a good night for Uhuru with a win in Market Ward in Eldoret beating the URP candidate there.
Now we can wait for the political analysts......
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Post by phil on Sept 17, 2012 22:13:05 GMT 3
There was no way on earth anyone could have beaten Ole Sekuda. The man beat Saitoti last time, only that the late Saitoti rigged him out. ODM is my party of choice but I think that giving up a person like sekuda in favor of the guy who lost was a poor move. The party has to find away of keeping winners. Congratulations to mr. Kenyatta. He is fairing better than Ruto What Kamale fails to consider in his hopelessly partisan analysis is the voter turn out in three elections. Whilst Kajiado and Kangema turnout is above 50%, the turn out in Kajiado is merely 30%. So much for TNA performing well in Kajiado when the majority of voters kept away from the polling stations.
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Post by kamalet on Sept 17, 2012 22:29:01 GMT 3
There was no way on earth anyone could have beaten Ole Sekuda. The man beat Saitoti last time, only that the late Saitoti rigged him out. ODM is my party of choice but I think that giving up a person like sekuda in favor of the guy who lost was a poor move. The party has to find away of keeping winners. Congratulations to mr. Kenyatta. He is fairing better than Ruto What Kamale fails to consider in his hopelessly partisan analysis is the voter turn out in three elections. Whilst Kajiado and Kangema turnout is above 50%, the turn out in Kajiado is merely 30%. So much for TNA performing well in Kajiado when the majority of voters kept away from the polling stations. Phil So if the turn out was larger ODM would have won the Kajiado seat? For one with a love affair of polling results where even smaller numbers reflect what you like to preach (see your other thread) I am frankly surprised that you can use the low turnout to mean anything but the general direction the vote would have gone whatever the numbers! Just read this somewhere else...ODM wins polling results whilt TNA wins elections ....go figure
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Post by job on Sept 17, 2012 22:31:44 GMT 3
The only news here is on the civic seats; one in Eldoret (William Ruto's backyard) and another in Bukura, Kakamega (Musalia Mudavadi's backyard). TNA's candidate (Uhuru's) thrashed URP's candidate (William Ruto's) in Eldoret North!
ODM's candidate (Raila's) thrashed UDF's candidate (Musalia Mudavadi's) in Kakamega!
The two horses in 2013 are RAO (ODM) and Uhuru (TNA). Wengine wote ni flowers and as Jirongo says, wanapangwa like Mobutu did.
What more is new?
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Post by phil on Sept 17, 2012 22:46:28 GMT 3
What Kamale fails to consider in his hopelessly partisan analysis is the voter turn out in three elections. Whilst Kajiado and Kangema turnout is above 50%, the turn out in Kajiado is merely 30%. So much for TNA performing well in Kajiado when the majority of voters kept away from the polling stations. Phil So if the turn out was larger ODM would have won the Kajiado seat? For one with a love affair of polling results where even smaller numbers reflect what you like to preach (see your other thread) I am frankly surprised that you can use the low turnout to mean anything but the general direction the vote would have gone whatever the numbers! Just read this somewhere else...ODM wins polling results whilt TNA wins elections ....go figure What a load of crap! ODM was already winning by-elections when Uhuru Kenyatta was still wasting time in a moribund KANU. Kamale, perhaps you ought to consider that a jobless rural youth in Kangema obtained double the number of votes the well resourced TNA candidate got in Ndhiwa. This is precisely what you need to figure out. And like job illustrates above, URP and UDF are all hype and no substance. My understanding is WDP civic candidate is struggling. BY-election dynamics are a different ball game from general elections. Yes Kamale, this was not a presidential by-election!
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Post by kamalet on Sept 17, 2012 23:01:38 GMT 3
Phil So if the turn out was larger ODM would have won the Kajiado seat? For one with a love affair of polling results where even smaller numbers reflect what you like to preach (see your other thread) I am frankly surprised that you can use the low turnout to mean anything but the general direction the vote would have gone whatever the numbers! Just read this somewhere else...ODM wins polling results whilt TNA wins elections ....go figure What a load of crap! ODM was already winning by-elections when Uhuru Kenyatta was still wasting time in a moribund KANU. Kamale, perhaps you ought to consider that a jobless rural youth in Kangema obtained double the number of votes the well resourced TNA candidate got in Ndhiwa. This is precisely what you need to figure out. And like job illustrates above, URP and UDF are all hype and no substance. My understanding is WDP civic candidate is struggling. BY-election dynamics are a different ball game from general elections. Yes Kamale, this was not a presidential by-election! Phil You can do better than this! So did the spin on a 30% turn out flop? Did you not try to spin it that Raila had made inroads in central courtesy of his alliance with the Mungiki ( my words here)? It has been a bad day for ODM so no need to flog you further. Oh and that Eldoret ward seat? I actually was a PNU prior to the by election so it was not a surprise and Ruto would not be counting any loss.....it was in a "cosmopolitan" part of the town!
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Post by phil on Sept 17, 2012 23:08:01 GMT 3
30% is NOT a spin, IEBC reports poor turnout in Kajiado North....that is a fact. You can check that out yourself. I need not repeat it here. You want to shout on top of roof tops about a candidate who won by approx 20% of registered voters considering ODM got the other 10%. Well, only a fool would part themselves on the back for this victory.
Meanwhile, another of the 'projects' Justice Minister Eugene Wamalwa loses to Moses Wetangula in Kapkoi ward in Kwanza where Emmanuel Waswa of Ford Kenya gets 1384 as Joseph Wanjala of NFK gets 1075. It is not a good time to be a project.
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Post by bkichwa on Sept 17, 2012 23:08:21 GMT 3
Phil,
Just go to bed. There is really nothing here for you to spin today. Maybe give yourself a head start in going back to the drawing board to rethink ODM's Central Kenya strategy.
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Post by reporter911 on Sept 18, 2012 3:16:16 GMT 3
30% is NOT a spin, IEBC reports poor turnout in Kajiado North....that is a fact. You can check that out yourself. I need not repeat it here. You want to shout on top of roof tops about a candidate who won by approx 20% of registered voters considering ODM got the other 10%. Well, only a fool would part themselves on the back for this victory. Meanwhile, another of the 'projects' Justice Minister Eugene Wamalwa loses to Moses Wetangula in Kapkoi ward in Kwanza where Emmanuel Waswa of Ford Kenya gets 1384 as Joseph Wanjala of NFK gets 1075. It is not a good time to be a project. Phil why bother? TNT? Uhuru & Co is it being prepared for Mudavadi? Wamalwa or? it is just by-elections relax 2013 will be another game plan.. Kenyans are watching and waiting.. let the dances begin.. No Kenyan will ever agree to be ruled from Hague via remote control .. Kenya ina wenyewe ..
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Post by kamalet on Sept 18, 2012 9:17:17 GMT 3
30% is NOT a spin, IEBC reports poor turnout in Kajiado North....that is a fact. You can check that out yourself. I need not repeat it here. You want to shout on top of roof tops about a candidate who won by approx 20% of registered voters considering ODM got the other 10%. Well, only a fool would part themselves on the back for this victory. Meanwhile, another of the 'projects' Justice Minister Eugene Wamalwa loses to Moses Wetangula in Kapkoi ward in Kwanza where Emmanuel Waswa of Ford Kenya gets 1384 as Joseph Wanjala of NFK gets 1075. It is not a good time to be a project. Phil Part of your problem is that this would never have been an issue if the ODM man won. It is a by election that you thought ODM would win and did not...so just let go!
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Post by malkia on Sept 18, 2012 10:43:21 GMT 3
While TNA celebrate, it may be worthwhile to remember the fate of another party, NARC -K, that carried by-elections in Juja and Makadara, albeit under different circumstances just a few years ago.
There is an entirely different dynamic at play in by-elections than in general elections and I am not sure that the success of the TNA candidates says anything about the party's popularity or viability. TNA would do well not to make the mistake NARC-K made: assuming that minor victories indicate broad acceptance and/or popularity of the party or more significantly, that the new MPs have strong allegiance to the party, allegiance that they would place before their own personal interests. The latter point is also important for ODM as they celebrate their MP elect in Nhdiwa.
In my view parties seem to be declining not increasing in significance, even ODM's party machine seems to have been badly dented, so personalities continue to shop for viable vehicles for election. Sadly our democracy is maturing very slowly.
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Post by kamalet on Sept 18, 2012 12:35:12 GMT 3
While TNA celebrate, it may be worthwhile to remember the fate of another party, NARC -K, that carried by-elections in Juja and Makadara, albeit under different circumstances just a few years ago. There is an entirely different dynamic at play in by-elections than in general elections and I am not sure that the success of the TNA candidates says anything about the party's popularity or viability. TNA would do well not to make the mistake NARC-K made: assuming that minor victories indicate broad acceptance and/or popularity of the party or more significantly, that the new MPs have strong allegiance to the party, allegiance that they would place before their own personal interests. The latter point is also important for ODM as they celebrate their MP elect in Nhdiwa. In my view parties seem to be declining not increasing in significance, even ODM's party machine seems to have been badly dented, so personalities continue to shop for viable vehicles for election. Sadly our democracy is maturing very slowly. Malkia I think the Kabogo/Sonko situation is slightly different as they went to NARC-K not because it was their party of choice but the only one available to them. Sonko was denied ODM nomination in favour of Ndolo and being popular, it did not matter which party he would have been in. Not any different to Kabogo against Thuo. Ole Sakuda and Ngahu are adherents of TNA by choice and were nominated validly...so it is unlikely they would end up as the NARC-K lot did.
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Post by phil on Sept 18, 2012 13:50:46 GMT 3
Statement by ODM Party Leader on the Concluded by-elections orange-democratic.blogspot.com/2012/09/statement-by-odm-party-leader-on.htmlIn the era of Devolved Governments (that Uhuru Kenyatta resisted when serving as Finance minister) leadership at the ward level is critically important in pushing development agenda forward. I guess TNA hasnt the vaguest idea what we are talking about here.
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Post by raiswakesho on Sept 18, 2012 17:47:03 GMT 3
ODM's win in Ndhiwa and TNA's win in Kangema & Kajiado North was expected and anybody who believed otherwise must shoot him/herself in the head. Uhuru commands majority of Central votes just like RAO commands Nyanza and this will not change as we head to the general election.
Politically, I believe this was a moment for Bill & Mudavadi to prove themselves and bring URP & UDF to the national arena but they didn't. Ruto spent quite sometime and resources in the market and so was Mudavadi in the Bukura ward because even though these are mere civic seats, they are right in the middle of their perceived strongholds. It will be very interesting to see how URP & UDF spins what just happened.... If I were Uhuru or RAO, it would make a lot of political sense to organize a rally in Market ward or Bukura to celebrate the victory!
On a lighter note, I think ODM must have celebrated Nyangweso's win than Neto's... Khalwale's noise would have been disruptive.
Congrats to the newly elected wabunge & the councillors, please use the opportunity to do the people's work.
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Post by mzee on Sept 18, 2012 18:02:34 GMT 3
We should start referring to Musalia Mudumb Mudavadi as the "late" because that's what he is politically speaking. Kibaki has killed him with the project thing
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Post by b6k on Sept 18, 2012 21:21:47 GMT 3
Just read this somewhere else...ODM wins polling results whilt TNA wins elections ....go figure It's a bit like an actor giving an Oscar winning performance during a dress rehearsal & then choking when the cameras are actually running. Very sad....
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Post by phil on Sept 19, 2012 15:43:00 GMT 3
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Sept 19, 2012 15:51:19 GMT 3
Heheheee! You are such a catoon my friend. What change do Ndhiwa people want and know?
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Post by phil on Sept 19, 2012 16:17:13 GMT 3
Heheheee! You are such a catoon my friend. What change do Ndhiwa people want and know? They know better as to elect the youngest MP in parliament through a revolutionary party known as ODM while rejecting Nairobi con-men like Tom Alila running on has-been parties like KANU. Where was your favourite UDF and URP in Ndhiwa to offer viable alternatives? Read the link to appreciate the gravity of the rejection!
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Post by euonyi on Sept 19, 2012 18:07:36 GMT 3
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