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Post by kamalet on Sept 16, 2012 12:15:48 GMT 3
Phil
Just how desperate is Raila to claim he would quit presidential race should ODM lose the Ndhiwa seat?
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Post by phil on Sept 16, 2012 12:32:34 GMT 3
Phil Just how desperate is Raila to claim he would quit presidential race should ODM lose the Ndhiwa seat? Uhuru said the same thing in Kangema after coming to terms with the threat posed by Mzalendo's Gathogo; Uhuru has spared no expenses and wants to underline his supremacy in Agikuyu politics through the Kangema seat. He said it himself. In my view, it is not desperation but simply re-emphasizing Raila's earlier prediction that there are only two horses in the 2013 presidential race. These by-elections are a rehearsal of the general elections. I think the main battle ground is Kajiado North. Watch that election very closely.
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Post by kamalet on Sept 16, 2012 15:36:47 GMT 3
Phil Just how desperate is Raila to claim he would quit presidential race should ODM lose the Ndhiwa seat? Uhuru said the same thing in Kangema after coming to terms with the threat posed by Mzalendo's Gathogo; Uhuru has spared no expenses and wants to underline his supremacy in Agikuyu politics through the Kangema seat. He said it himself. In my view, it is not desperation but simply re-emphasizing Raila's earlier prediction that there are only two horses in the 2013 presidential race. These by-elections are a rehearsal of the general elections. I think the main battle ground is Kajiado North. Watch that election very closely. Phil You miss the point. I was asking with respect to Raila rather than Uhuru! You and I know that Raila will not quit the race should Alila and am jut wondering if there are doubts in Raila's minds about Neto winning as you clearly think he will.
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Post by phil on Sept 16, 2012 20:53:53 GMT 3
Uhuru said the same thing in Kangema after coming to terms with the threat posed by Mzalendo's Gathogo; Uhuru has spared no expenses and wants to underline his supremacy in Agikuyu politics through the Kangema seat. He said it himself. In my view, it is not desperation but simply re-emphasizing Raila's earlier prediction that there are only two horses in the 2013 presidential race. These by-elections are a rehearsal of the general elections. I think the main battle ground is Kajiado North. Watch that election very closely. Phil You miss the point. I was asking with respect to Raila rather than Uhuru! You and I know that Raila will not quit the race should Alila and am jut wondering if there are doubts in Raila's minds about Neto winning as you clearly think he will. It is the same thing with respect to Uhuru. ODM has no doubts whatsoever that it is reclaiming the Ndhiwa seat and very possibly the Kajiado North seat which Saitoti was rigged into in 2007. Raila is talking like a politician who is aiming for a top seat and who wants to obtain as many votes as possible. It is normal and you should not read too much into it. Am told the remarks he made were possibly quoted out of context and the much of the message may have been lost in translation.
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Post by b6k on Sept 16, 2012 21:00:46 GMT 3
Raila is talking like a politician who is aiming for a top seat and who wants to obtain as many votes as possible. It is normal and you should not read too much into it. Am told the remarks he made were possibly quoted out of context and the much of the message may have been lost in translation. Phil in three sentences you have managed to say absolutely nothing. Which is it? Was he talking hot air? Should we read nothing into same hot air? Or was his quotation lost in translation? It can't be all three at once I do look forward to reading your spin on an alliance with UK if that takes off the ground.
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Post by b6k on Sept 17, 2012 10:59:49 GMT 3
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Post by phil on Sept 17, 2012 12:54:55 GMT 3
TNA agents spreading propaganda that a brother to the ODM candidate in Ndhiwa has been arrested for overnight violence! Those are false allegations and have been promptly denied by the party! orange-democratic.blogspot.com/2012/09/reports-of-by-election-arrests-false-odm.htmlMeanwhile in the civic polls, ODM is causing ingestion to TNA in Ikuni Ward in Kiambu County whilst in the much touted by-election in Bukura ward in Kakamega County, UDF agents have gone underground after sensing defeat from ODM candidate. 10 civic seats up for grabs.
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Post by kamalet on Sept 17, 2012 13:01:34 GMT 3
TNA agents spreading propaganda that a brother to the ODM candidate in Ndhiwa has been arrested for overnight violence! Those are false allegations and have been promptly denied by the party! orange-democratic.blogspot.com/2012/09/reports-of-by-election-arrests-false-odm.htmlMeanwhile in the civic polls, ODM is causing ingestion to TNA in Ikuni Ward in Kiambu County whilst in the much touted by-election in Bukura ward in Kakamega County, UDF agents have gone underground after sensing defeat from ODM candidate. 10 civic seats up for grabs. Phil You need to twist it better....NTV is reporting the arrest of Neto's brother!
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Post by phil on Sept 17, 2012 13:46:44 GMT 3
Phil You need to twist it better....NTV is reporting the arrest of Neto's brother! I would prefer to rely on information from the IEBC which is running the elections, have accredited observers and have their own agents at all polling stations. NTV and KTN are just usual crappy Kenyan media. How come the IEBC press centre at the main tallying centre are mute on these arrests?
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Post by kamalet on Sept 17, 2012 14:19:18 GMT 3
Phil You need to twist it better....NTV is reporting the arrest of Neto's brother! I would prefer to rely on information from the IEBC which is running the elections, have accredited observers and have their own agents at all polling stations. NTV and KTN are just usual crappy Kenyan media. How come the IEBC press centre at the main tallying centre are mute on these arrests? Phil I have seen the retraction tweet by Nation quoting Anyang' Nyong' refuting the story.
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Post by phil on Sept 17, 2012 14:35:41 GMT 3
I would prefer to rely on information from the IEBC which is running the elections, have accredited observers and have their own agents at all polling stations. NTV and KTN are just usual crappy Kenyan media. How come the IEBC press centre at the main tallying centre are mute on these arrests? Phil I have seen the retraction tweet by Nation quoting Anyang' Nyong' refuting the story. Thank you! Now you see the dishonesty in media since the retraction is not being given the same degree of prominence as the story was given early this morning. It is blatant propaganda by NMG. Standard has not even bothered to say anything. This misleading rumour was started by TNA agent in social media early this morning, retweeted to thousands of followers by Denis itumbi, Team Uhuru and Moses Kuria, and eventually taken up by NMG and Standard who inturn retweeted and published online editions to hundreds of thousands more.. Luckily, we in ODM do not allow such propaganda to put us down.
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Post by phil on Sept 17, 2012 16:46:48 GMT 3
Developing Story: NDHIWA - Sources indicate with just a few minutes to close of polling stations at 1700hrs EAT the KANU Ndiwa aspirant - Tom Alila - is yet to cast his vote fearing arrest and prosecution since he is also allegedly a registered voter in Langata constituency. Confirmation awaited from IEBC.
KANGEMA - TNA supporters in the meantime are reported as having unleashed violence on hapless UDF supporters in Kangema and blocked its agents from accessing Kibutha polling station, and some prominent supporters arrested.
KAJIADO - Is quiet at the moment but the TNA candidate Moses Ole Sakuda was quoted earlier as complaining about illiterate Maasai voters are being misled to vote for his opponents. Looks like he has sensed defeat early.
In the civic polls, it remains a titanic political battle for Bukura Ward in Lurambi, Kakamega County despite being a ward election. ODM and UDF are sparing no effort in winning this ward seat to underline their respective supremacy in Western ODM brigade being led by the Hon Ababu Namwamba who has pitched tent at the ward with ODM Candidate Nyangweso.
First results are expected to start trickling in early evening.
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Post by Omwenga on Sept 17, 2012 16:57:59 GMT 3
Phil Just how desperate is Raila to claim he would quit presidential race should ODM lose the Ndhiwa seat? Kamale,I know your question is directed at Phil but you can find an answer in this blog I posted a couple of days ago when Raila was somewhat misquoted as saying he will quit the presidential race should ODM lose the Ndhiwa seat: Although all indications are that ODM candidate Augustino Oyugi Neto will be elected as MP for Ndhiwa beating his close rival KANU's Tom Alila by a comfortable margin, let me reiterate what I stated at the conclusion of the ODM nomination process that Alila's election would also be a good thing because both candidates have demonstrated they have the requisite leadership qualities to be effective representatives of this otherwise muted constituency. The only downside with Alila's victory would be what others may view as victory of clanism over substance but Alila can easily rise above this were he to be the one elected and chat a path toward nationalism by working with his party boss and others to make sure Raila is reelected but this time sworn as our fourth president. Now, I have a great satire I initially wanted to pen about this to put in perspective pre-outcome what a Neto loss would mean or more precisely why it would have happened (in hindsight satirically speaking) but I have opted not to rather let me stick with that which I know is the more likely and that is, Neto's victory come Monday. We do not elect parties to parliament; we elect individuals who represent the party, it therefore doesn't follow if a KANU candidate is elected in Ndiwa, he cannot work with Raila and ODM to bring about the transformational changes Raila and the party intend to bring for the benefit of all in the country. Having said this, and given the PM has said he will not seek the presidency if Neto is not elected, I would urge all Ndhiwa residents and, indeed, everyone else to get used to saying or hearing the words Hon. Augustino Oyugi Neto for it's as good as done if the master politician and palm reader of politics on the ground has all but said so in those words. Good luck to all the candidates and may all the by-elections on Monday held in a manner as desirable as we anticipate in the upcoming general elections, namely, open, transparent and peaceful. Update:Since posting this blog, I have learned from an impeccable source Raila did not mean to say "“Ka ok umiya Neto kaka jaod bura maru to kata an ok abichung ekom maduong cha(If you do not give me Neto as your MP, then I will not vie for the top seat),” as reported by the Standard Online, rather, he meant to say if Ndhiwa does not elect Neto, he may as well not vie for the presidency which was merely another way of expressing his confidence Neto will win as opposed to making it an either or proposition as the Standard reporting suggests. The same source tells me the PM recognizes Neto has challenges that may make it possible for the KANU candidate Alila to win, a prospect as I said which is not bad either because Alila is a formidable candidate in his own right and in the new political dispensation, we want and must commend and appreciate strong candidates who win on account of their leadership ability and not necessarily merely because they belong to one party or another or because they are supported by influential people. In other words, individual character and leadership ability is what should matter the most when choosing our leaders and not tribalism or ethnicity or being "toshad" as has been the case in the past. Uchambuzi Tanaka www.omwenga.com
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Post by joblesscorner on Sept 17, 2012 17:33:12 GMT 3
Phil,
Is there a link to watch live results?
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Post by phil on Sept 17, 2012 17:44:09 GMT 3
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Post by topnotch on Sept 17, 2012 17:44:15 GMT 3
KANU takes an early lead in Ndhiwa
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Post by phil on Sept 17, 2012 17:47:11 GMT 3
KANU takes an early lead in Ndhiwa Where's source? IEBC leader board says NIL! Those are social media rumours from diasporans.
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Post by topnotch on Sept 17, 2012 17:53:03 GMT 3
KANU takes an early lead in Ndhiwa Where's source? IEBC leader board says NIL! Those are social media rumours from diasporans. Been told by someone in Ndhiwa. He also told me Alila of KANU is a registered voter in Lang'ata, and that might cause trouble for him.
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Post by phil on Sept 17, 2012 17:56:14 GMT 3
Where's source? IEBC leader board says NIL! Those are social media rumours from diasporans. Been told by someone in Ndhiwa. He also told me Alila of KANU is a registered voter in Lang'ata, and that might cause trouble for him. You are right. Political party agents are already conveying provisional results as they are announced via mobile phones. IEBC shall post after confirmation from Returning Officers and own verifications.
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Post by phil on Sept 17, 2012 18:23:10 GMT 3
@ Topnotch The results are now streaming in at www.iebc.or.ke/results/index.php?code=ODM is leading at both Kajiado North and far out in Ndhiwa. Kajiado could go either way between ODM and TNA. TNA is leading in Kangema. as at 1820 hrs EAT NDHIWA1 ODM NETO OYUGI AGHOSTINHO 70132 KANU ONYANGO TOM OTIENO 8073 TNA RUMO ROSEMARY ATIENO 69KAJIADO NORTH1 ODM MOSITET PETER KORINKO 10852 TNA OLE SAKUDA MOSES SOMOINE 9063 PNU KEEN ANTHONY SIMEL 1234 WDM-K KINYANJUI SOLOMON 6 KANGEMA1 TNA NGAHU TIRAS NYINGI 8452 UDFP KAMAU SIMON MWANGI 2153 77 KIGANO CLEMENT MUTURI 754 PNU MUGO PAUL KIMANI 34 5 MSM GITHAIGA JOHN GATHOGO 18
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Post by phil on Sept 17, 2012 18:39:06 GMT 3
Kajiado North is neck to neck between TNA and ODM
Ndhiwa, we may as well declare Neto of ODM the MP elect
Kangema, Nyingi of TNA maintains lead.
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Post by kamalet on Sept 17, 2012 18:48:57 GMT 3
Looks like Kangema has rejected the Mungiki fellow Raila was campaigning for....
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Post by phil on Sept 17, 2012 18:57:23 GMT 3
Looks like Kangema has rejected the Mungiki fellow Raila was campaigning for.... How about the adherent Uhuru was camaigning for in Ndhiwa? Has she not also been rejected? Your interpretation of democracy is just out of this world Muthee!
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Post by kamalet on Sept 17, 2012 19:02:20 GMT 3
Looks like Kangema has rejected the Mungiki fellow Raila was campaigning for.... How about the adherent Uhuru was camaigning for in Ndhiwa? Has she not also been rejected? Your interpretation of democracy is just out of this world Muthee! Phil You and I know that Uhuru wasa joker in that context as it was an ODM and KANU affair hence my ignoring him there. But when we get to kajiado we can bring him in! Kamale
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Post by joblesscorner on Sept 17, 2012 20:16:45 GMT 3
How true is this?
By Elections Eldoret Market Ward TNA 336, ODM 100, URP 66. What a game changer?
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