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Post by adongo23456 on Jul 30, 2012 8:00:30 GMT 3
Obviously we are having problems with freedom of expression again. It looks to me from Miguna’s response to his crtics that freedm of expression only belongs to those who praise Miguna or those who see nothing whatsoever to be questioned about Miguna’s book and his actions and activities. Those are the only normal people allowed to have a brain as far as Miguna is concerned.
Woe unto those like Sarah Elderkin who have actually used their little uncertified brains to criticize Miguna’s book and other aspects of his ctions. They are “groupies”, “ miscreants”, “pseudo intellectuals”, “Kanu orphans” etc. Obviously according to Miguna these sad souls have no right to express their views. Talk about intolerance.
We can and sometimes have festivals abusive stuff, but I wonder if all these really adds value to Miguna’s own arguments other than fitting into a pattern that has proved not so helpful to Miguna.
I have not read Miguna’s book, in fact the only copy I have seen is the one Oloo brought in a meeting we had in Nairobi. Obviously I am going to read it. I have read some excerpts of Sarah Elderkin’s critique. I was hoping Miguna would respond to “issues” raised by Ms Elderkin without calling her a groupie which is outright sexism from Miguna. I wonder what Miguna would say if a white colleague called him a boy. It would be racist even though the same word boy used in a different context would be harmless. A man using the word groupie in reference to a female colleague and a superb writer in her own right is just good old sexism that men use to intimidate women. It is completely uncalled for.
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jul 30, 2012 8:13:36 GMT 3
Frank Mwaniki, a Kenyan based in the United States and a past President of the Kenya Community Abroad, shared with me the following op-ed piece:
Miguna’s Exposé is Emoting The Worst In Us
Sunday, July 29, 2012
Reading all of the political rhetoric this week that followed the release of ‘Peeling Back The Mask’ by Miguna Miguna, I kept thinking about how often , over the years, there have been practical lessons we must learn from communication theory and biased opinions. One of the most important lessons is just how selective our perceptions can be.
One of my favorite examples is to demonstrate that when a committed politician hears a well-crafted speech by a strong leader, the politician invariably becomes a better ‘leader’, and vice versa.
This is because our natural tendency is to argue in our minds with what we are hearing so as to reinforce what we already believe. Changing our minds rarely happens. Rather, we end up finding new ways to strengthen our long-held positions.
Ideally, communication can help solve problems, and politicizing everything mostly ends in polarizing arguments, leading ultimately to communication breakdown. Today, in a country riddled with corruption and inept leadership, the most successful communicators are the extreme fast talkers and most polarized thinkers, and they are winning the day by taking extreme positions and making the most noise, including crude tactics like intimidation and harassment.
Shooting the messenger
The fact remains that 'shooting the messenger’ may be a time-honored emotional response to unwelcome news, but it is not a very effective method of remaining well-informed. Getting rid of the messenger may also be a tactical move; but the danger is that an ethos of non-disclosure may follow any hostile response to negative feedback. People learn very quickly where this is the case, and will studiously avoid giving any negative feedback; thus the "Emperor" continues with the self-delusion – obviously this is not a recipe for success.
In Bruce W. Sanford Don't Shoot the Messenger, Sanford examines how the judicial system, fueled by public sentiment, has slowly withdrawn the First Amendment protections on which serious investigative journalism depends. The media, Sanford argues, is headed toward self-censorship, which leaves it with nothing to fill the country’s pages and airwaves other than the fluff and sensationalism with which the public claims to be fed up.
This is exactly what the virulent attacks on Miguna Miguna are doing. Rather than listening to the substance of his claims, a lot of pundits have relentlessly attacked the person of Miguna with nary a concern over whether what he is claiming is true or not.
I posit that rather than showing how loyally fanatical we can be, we should focus on the claims if we as a society are going to get any import out of this saga. We cannot waste our time examining a man’s idiosyncrasies – that is not our concern. Our concern should be whether it is true that while we preach ‘reform’, fight against corruption, and the like, these are not just words to soothe the wound while the disease is aggressively promoted by the very same leaders that are soothing and wooing us.
Any other path exposes us as the promoters of the rot that has become our country.
Miguna’s messages
The strongest message to learn from Miguna’s book is that rather than political parties keeping our government honest and responsible to the people, they are intimately meshed into the government and are the most notorious culprits that loot our country. In our new constitutional dispensation, we should take this lesson to heart and ensure that as we evolve into a more just society, we ensure that we seriously frown upon any political parties romancing with governance. Their role is in parliament (legislature) period. Miguna is giving us examples of lessons to remind us of this.
A second set of examples he is giving us is the role nepotism plays in how we run our affairs. Let me preface this by saying that there has never been any society that can claim that it is free of nepotism
entirely. However, when nepotism leads to incompetent people running all of the crucial portfolios in government, we end up with poor service and prevent people that are more qualified from serving.
Egalitarian concerns over decisions being based on our nepotistic impulses through institutionalized and systematized practices are wrought throughout our land. Is nepotism really such a bad alternative to merit-based decisions? Most well-meaning Kenyans will answer an emphatic yes.
Therefore, we should be using this opportunity to introspect and discuss ways in which to rid ourselves of this malaise or at least reduce it to a minimum. These are just two examples we could be discussing instead of concerning ourselves with personalities.
Listen to the message Mr. Philip Ochieng' and all. You might learn something.
Frank Mwaniki
Management Scientist, USA
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jul 30, 2012 8:25:55 GMT 3
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Post by moesha on Jul 30, 2012 10:30:52 GMT 3
This thread really adds no value to the ongoing debates. Miguna's response could have easily been included in the many other Miguna threads floating around. How is it that Miguna asks for evidence, while he hasnt been able to produce any from his countless allegations. He is the one who sounds desperate if you ask me. You are getting very poor advice Ja Nyando, try asking for advice from other sources other than Oloo and compare notes. All these people cannot be wrong.
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Post by b6k on Jul 30, 2012 11:05:53 GMT 3
Mank, the circling of the wagons around the PM leaves little doubt as to what we have in store for us should ODM triumph in the polls. Rather than the much touted "change" it will merely be a changing of the guard with cronies from former CP simply replaced by cronies from Nyanza. As I've always said, the psuedo rivalry that is peddled between PNU & ODM is really nothing but two sides of the same coin. Miguna's response was long overdue, much like the PM's silence on the serious charges made against him by a former aide is not doing him (the PM) any favours. Bill Clinton also tried a similar "head in the sand" strategy to let the Monica Lewinsky story die away, but it just kept on nagging him. Eventually he had to make his duplicitous "I did not have sexual relations with that woman..." speech that came back to haunt. him. Sometimes it's best to bite the bullet early on, sacrifice a head or two of those around you (you can always promise them soft landings elsewhere of the radar) & life can go on. Where Miguna failed his own cause was in his decision to leave KE so soon after the book launch. Had he remained here to take the full brunt of the onslaught (as we have seen on Jukwaa) he would've given himself a lot more credibility. In the end, his exit strategy left him looking a bit like an al-Shabaab type hit & run terrorist. I suppose now he has an idea of what awaits him should he decide to return to KE. My only suggestion to him would be he should opt to leave his family in Canada, at least for the foreseeable future; possibly until after the elections. why? is it because he is withholding crucial "PEV" information? that might take him on the stand at the ICC like Nguyai? I thought Miguna indicated that all information in his book are JUST "allegations" .. he is a rich man now? so why are you advising him not to to come back soon or bring his family back to Kenya? that is an insult to Kenyans who are very respectful law abiding citizens.. KWANI YOU KNOW SOMETHING THAT MOST KENYANS DON'T? , if you carefully re-read my post you will note that I would've preferred he stay in KE but should spare his young family the trauma of watching him being roasted over the coals by those baying for his blood. If he can afford to insulate his children from that by keeping them in Canada then it's an option he should pursue. As I have no idea what Miguna knows about PEV I would rather not speculate about it. As to what I know about PEV, I think I've been pretty clear about that through the years. |
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Post by b6k on Jul 30, 2012 11:14:06 GMT 3
For someone who the Rt Hon PM claims has been paid off by his enemies (including the NSIS), how is it then that Miguna's "vacation" appears to be taking place at spartan college dormitories in Canada? "With his name in Kenya’s headlines every day, the towering 6-foot-4, Mr. Miguna, in bright, flowing African robes, sits thousands of kilometres away, in a mostly empty cafeteria on the campus of Seneca College in suburban Toronto. He is staying in the college’s dormitory with his wife and five children on what he says was a preplanned summer vacation."This puts paid to the claim by R911 that Miguna is now a rich man. In fact given that the PDF downloads of his book topped over 50,000 I don't think he will make as much money as he might have hoped for in KE. I would imagine whatever windfall Miguna came by to enable him to make the Canada trip had more to do with an advanced payment from his publishers than the so-called NSIS pay-off. |
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Post by b6k on Jul 30, 2012 11:20:17 GMT 3
I posit that rather than showing how loyally fanatical we can be, we should focus on the claims if we as a society are going to get any import out of this saga. We cannot waste our time examining a man’s idiosyncrasies – that is not our concern. Our concern should be whether it is true that while we preach ‘reform’, fight against corruption, and the like, these are not just words to soothe the wound while the disease is aggressively promoted by the very same leaders that are soothing and wooing us. Any other path exposes us as the promoters of the rot that has become our country. Miguna’s messagesThe strongest message to learn from Miguna’s book is that rather than political parties keeping our government honest and responsible to the people, they are intimately meshed into the government and are the most notorious culprits that loot our country. In our new constitutional dispensation, we should take this lesson to heart and ensure that as we evolve into a more just society, we ensure that we seriously frown upon any political parties romancing with governance. Their role is in parliament (legislature) period. Miguna is giving us examples of lessons to remind us of this. A second set of examples he is giving us is the role nepotism plays in how we run our affairs. Let me preface this by saying that there has never been any society that can claim that it is free of nepotism entirely. However, when nepotism leads to incompetent people running all of the crucial portfolios in government, we end up with poor service and prevent people that are more qualified from serving. Egalitarian concerns over decisions being based on our nepotistic impulses through institutionalized and systematized practices are wrought throughout our land. Is nepotism really such a bad alternative to merit-based decisions? Most well-meaning Kenyans will answer an emphatic yes. Therefore, we should be using this opportunity to introspect and discuss ways in which to rid ourselves of this malaise or at least reduce it to a minimum. These are just two examples we could be discussing instead of concerning ourselves with personalities. A powerful message right there for those who have ears to hear & eyes to see... |
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Post by genius on Jul 30, 2012 11:30:22 GMT 3
At 6 ft 4'' Miguna is tall, but he should stop referring to himself as towering. In Nyando alone there are a lot of taller people who make no big deal about their height. If he tried playing in the NBA, he would be dismissed for being too short. If he trialed for a rugby team, he would among the smaller forwards. Even in Parliament there are a lot of taller MPs like Dalmas Otieno and the late Ojode.
He may have been the target of jokes in his youth for being tall and skinny, but he should get over it. Tall people come a dime a dozen.
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jul 30, 2012 12:16:26 GMT 3
Email from a correspondent who prefers to remain nameless:
Raila mocking Miguna for not having enough money to pay school fees for his children is in very bad taste. It betrays a callousness and arrogance that establishes as valid the portrait painted in Peeling Back the Mask.
In the present fashion, does anyone want to psychoanalyse Odinga here below -
Just on basic principles of decency, we oughtn’t mock people for being unable to afford basic necessities – particularly necessities for their children. It really is something altogether special that the Prime Minister broadcasts Miguna’s desperation at not being able to pay school fees.
But it is worse that one should without justification rob another of their income and then mock them for the consequent privation. To follow that up with calumnious comment when they extricate themselves from such desperation demonstrates a mean-spiritedness that desires Miguna remain impoverished and unhappy until Raila says different.
It is a strange world when people offering themselves as champions of the Bill of Rights and desirous of a world in which such things as food, shelter and livelihoods were granted everyone, justify compliance with essential moral codes on paternalistic ‘humanitarian’ arguments. Two billionaires sit about a table and think to throw a bone at a lesser mortal.
I wonder what are Raila’s CSO faction saying? Does any of this cause any of them pause? Is there silence on KPTJ for example? Odinga really has a hold over Kenyan Civil Society – unions, church, media, NGOs, etc. We have either silence or vicious attacks.
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Post by barmasaiengkeiyo on Jul 30, 2012 12:34:43 GMT 3
But Raila was right...i would think the same too...BUT Miguna portrays himself as a top lawyer in Canada running a top law firm. kwani he doesn't earn anything from that law firm?? and there are millions of Kenyans without jobs, food,shelter etc....who will cry for them? politicians mock them daily!....oooh...and he lived in Runda?  ? he should have at least downgraded to Langata or South C....but knowing of the proud Miguna...mmmmh |
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jul 30, 2012 12:41:35 GMT 3
But Raila was right...i would think the same too...BUT Miguna portrays himself as a top lawyer in Canada running a top law firm. kwani he doesn't earn anything from that law firm?? and there are millions of Kenyans without jobs, food,shelter etc....who will cry for them? politicians mock them daily!....oooh...and he lived in Runda? ? he should have at least downgraded to Langata or South C....but knowing of the proud Miguna...mmmmh You call yourself a socialist, eh Kenyan Patriot? So many of you are peeling your own masks acting as a facade shielding your mean spirits. Onyango Oloo |
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Post by b6k on Jul 30, 2012 12:59:41 GMT 3
Email from a correspondent who prefers to remain nameless:Raila mocking Miguna for not having enough money to pay school fees for his children is in very bad taste. It betrays a callousness and arrogance that establishes as valid the portrait painted in Peeling Back the Mask. In the present fashion, does anyone want to psychoanalyse Odinga here below - Just on basic principles of decency, we oughtn’t mock people for being unable to afford basic necessities – particularly necessities for their children. It really is something altogether special that the Prime Minister broadcasts Miguna’s desperation at not being able to pay school fees. But it is worse that one should without justification rob another of their income and then mock them for the consequent privation. To follow that up with calumnious comment when they extricate themselves from such desperation demonstrates a mean-spiritedness that desires Miguna remain impoverished and unhappy until Raila says different. It is a strange world when people offering themselves as champions of the Bill of Rights and desirous of a world in which such things as food, shelter and livelihoods were granted everyone, justify compliance with essential moral codes on paternalistic ‘humanitarian’ arguments. Two billionaires sit about a table and think to throw a bone at a lesser mortal. I wonder what are Raila’s CSO faction saying? Does any of this cause any of them pause? Is there silence on KPTJ for example? Odinga really has a hold over Kenyan Civil Society – unions, church, media, NGOs, etc. We have either silence or vicious attacks. , indeed your anonymous correspondent noted the same ironic statement quoted in the DN that disturbed me in the Omwenga Bring me down & you bring down reform thread. How can the PM of KE sit there & gloat at Miguna's tribulations while knowing fully well that he is the author of Miguna's dire straits by illegally witholding his salary, benefits, & terminal benefits from him. It just beggers belief that people can still consider RAO an agent of change when such disregard for one man (& his family's) suffering can be made into political capital. I will paste one comment from that DN article that really hit home: Xallo • 18 hours ago • parent −
You just don't get it. Nobody is doubting anyone's "contribution to the reforms". Kenya needs to be managed diligently, not reformed constantly.Some of us are sick and tired of hearing the same old mantra of reforms reforms when all we want is proper management of our state resources by ANY individual who is given the privilege to serve in public office. Is that really too much to ask for? |
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Post by b6k on Jul 30, 2012 13:04:14 GMT 3
At 6 ft 4'' Miguna is tall, but he should stop referring to himself as towering. In Nyando alone there are a lot of taller people who make no big deal about their height. If he tried playing in the NBA, he would be dismissed for being too short. If he trialed for a rugby team, he would among the smaller forwards. Even in Parliament there are a lot of taller MPs like Dalmas Otieno and the late Ojode. He may have been the target of jokes in his youth for being tall and skinny, but he should get over it. Tall people come a dime a dozen. , the Canadian link posted by OO is written by Jeff Gray, not Miguna himself. It's therefore a tad unfair of you to claim he refers to himself as "towering"  What you failed to pick up on is the fact that the Canadian author pretty much confirms Miguna does NOT have a public profile in Canada, a status he seems to have embellished in his book. |
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Post by reporter911 on Jul 30, 2012 15:22:10 GMT 3
For someone who the Rt Hon PM claims has been paid off by his enemies (including the NSIS), how is it then that Miguna's "vacation" appears to be taking place at spartan college dormitories in Canada? "With his name in Kenya’s headlines every day, the towering 6-foot-4, Mr. Miguna, in bright, flowing African robes, sits thousands of kilometres away, in a mostly empty cafeteria on the campus of Seneca College in suburban Toronto. He is staying in the college’s dormitory with his wife and five children on what he says was a preplanned summer vacation."This puts paid to the claim by R911 that Miguna is now a rich man. In fact given that the PDF downloads of his book topped over 50,000 I don't think he will make as much money as he might have hoped for in KE. I would imagine whatever windfall Miguna came by to enable him to make the Canada trip had more to do with an advanced payment from his publishers than the so-called NSIS pay-off. If I were CANADIAN REVENUE AUTHORITY I would look at Miguna's earning closely, maybe he wants to show that he didn't make good money on the books sales to avoid paying Canadian TAX .... KRA are very diligent.. I will not speculate why Miguna is staying with his family in a DORM!! |
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Post by reporter911 on Jul 30, 2012 15:25:40 GMT 3
Email from a correspondent who prefers to remain nameless:Raila mocking Miguna for not having enough money to pay school fees for his children is in very bad taste. It betrays a callousness and arrogance that establishes as valid the portrait painted in Peeling Back the Mask. In the present fashion, does anyone want to psychoanalyse Odinga here below - Just on basic principles of decency, we oughtn’t mock people for being unable to afford basic necessities – particularly necessities for their children. It really is something altogether special that the Prime Minister broadcasts Miguna’s desperation at not being able to pay school fees. But it is worse that one should without justification rob another of their income and then mock them for the consequent privation. To follow that up with calumnious comment when they extricate themselves from such desperation demonstrates a mean-spiritedness that desires Miguna remain impoverished and unhappy until Raila says different. It is a strange world when people offering themselves as champions of the Bill of Rights and desirous of a world in which such things as food, shelter and livelihoods were granted everyone, justify compliance with essential moral codes on paternalistic ‘humanitarian’ arguments. Two billionaires sit about a table and think to throw a bone at a lesser mortal. I wonder what are Raila’s CSO faction saying? Does any of this cause any of them pause? Is there silence on KPTJ for example? Odinga really has a hold over Kenyan Civil Society – unions, church, media, NGOs, etc. We have either silence or vicious attacks. , indeed your anonymous correspondent noted the same ironic statement quoted in the DN that disturbed me in the Omwenga Bring me down & you bring down reform thread. How can the PM of KE sit there & gloat at Miguna's tribulations while knowing fully well that he is the author of Miguna's dire straits by illegally witholding his salary, benefits, & terminal benefits from him. It just beggers belief that people can still consider RAO an agent of change when such disregard for one man (& his family's) suffering can be made into political capital. I will paste one comment from that DN article that really hit home: Xallo • 18 hours ago • parent −
You just don't get it. Nobody is doubting anyone's "contribution to the reforms". Kenya needs to be managed diligently, not reformed constantly.Some of us are sick and tired of hearing the same old mantra of reforms reforms when all we want is proper management of our state resources by ANY individual who is given the privilege to serve in public office. Is that really too much to ask for? NONSENSE!! Miguna was sacked, Raila does not own the government, Kenya Tax payers pay Miguna's salary and he should go back to court and state exactly why he is owed a salary.. wasn't he employed on Month to Month contract bases? awache uporojo! damn Miguna's groupies are at it again! peddling propaganda !! enuff said.. |
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Post by reporter911 on Jul 30, 2012 15:36:44 GMT 3
luoldeng, it is not just of late. There is something infinitely troubling when a man is fixated on things revolving around sex. Miguna has previously been charged with raping a helpless immigrant in Canada (revolves around sex). As you point out, he calls everybody criticizing his book a groupie (also revolving around sex). In an interview given to him on citizen tv by a young lady in this thread, The man was busy caressing his crotch while looking at the lady (also sexual). What is it with Miguna and things sexual? Some time ago, in the middle of the zillion Miguna threads, I stated that I would have no more to say on these threads. Well, I briefly take it back given such low-down, dirty blows. The majority of commentators on this topic have obviously never bothered to find out the truth. I know this because in one of my comments I stuck a little one to the effect that maybe the matter hadn't gone to full trial, maybe it could but would not be re-opened, etc. Sure enough, at least one schmuck picked that one up and ran it with it while doing yada yada yada about supreme courts and the like. As a matter of fact, Miguna was tried and acquitted. And he wasn't acquitted on "technicalities". All that is a matter of public record, and any but the laziest can look that up. What's more one of the people involved has close relationships with two very prominent Jukwaaists, and if there was any truth to the rumours (new and old), I'm sure that one of the two would tell us so. By all means, attack Miguna on the basis of what he has said and written. But we should not needlessly drag a person's name in the mud, especially on such heinous matters as rape. are you trying to tell Kenyans that one of the Victims involved close to the two Prominent Jukwaarist indicated to them that she was not raped? and they in turn told you so? very interesting do tell us more Pluz! if indeed the victims said that she was not raped, then why didn't she say that to the courts? why was the case WON ON TECHNICALITIES? why then didn't the victim withdraw her case? lets have some answers.. yes lets not drag someone's name that involves Heinous crime such as "rape" .. the victims never withdrew their rape case against Miguna? that is how it stands.. winning a case does not mean that one didn't commit the act unless the Victims withdraw the case and says that it never happened.. "rape is rape!! no if and buts...lets not trivialize it |
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Post by marikopolitico on Jul 30, 2012 15:46:21 GMT 3
At 6 ft 4'' Miguna is tall, but he should stop referring to himself as towering. In Nyando alone there are a lot of taller people who make no big deal about their height. If he tried playing in the NBA, he would be dismissed for being too short. If he trialed for a rugby team, he would among the smaller forwards. Even in Parliament there are a lot of taller MPs like Dalmas Otieno and the late Ojode. He may have been the target of jokes in his youth for being tall and skinny, but he should get over it. Tall people come a dime a dozen. The bigger they are the harder they fall eh? |
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Post by marikopolitico on Jul 30, 2012 15:47:50 GMT 3
But Raila was right...i would think the same too...BUT Miguna portrays himself as a top lawyer in Canada running a top law firm. kwani he doesn't earn anything from that law firm?? and there are millions of Kenyans without jobs, food,shelter etc....who will cry for them? politicians mock them daily!....oooh...and he lived in Runda? ? he should have at least downgraded to Langata or South C....but knowing of the proud Miguna...mmmmh I don't often agree with your posts but this here is a gem. Fact is that Miguna seems to be more of a youth-winger than an actual legal professional. |
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Post by nowayhaha on Jul 30, 2012 15:48:33 GMT 3
www.jambonewspot.com/man-beaten-by-a-mob-in-kisumu-for-possessing-migunas-book/Man Beaten by a Mob in Kisumu for Possessing Miguna’s Book Residents of Kisumu town were on Sunday treated to rare drama, after a group of irate youths at the Kisumu bus terminus, frog-matched a Luhya man for spotting him with Miguna’s book Peeling Back the Mask. The man who was boarding a bus to Busia town was spotted by youths who were campaigning for a popular presidential aspirant at the park, and he was partly roughed up before engaging in a serious confrontation. The man only identified as Tom had a rough time convincing the youths that he was a literature teacher and he wanted to get some wits from the controversial memoir. As the confrontation went on, the man was given a thorough beating and frog-matched to a nearby dumpsite to throw the book. He was later spotted near the bus park bleeding profusely and with tattered clothes, begging passengers for bus fare back home since his wallet and mobile phone was stolen during scuffle. Police manning the bus terminus raised the fare and he was taken to a nearby dispensary where he was treated for minor wounds and later boarded a bus to Busia town. The Kenyan Daily Post
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Post by reporter911 on Jul 30, 2012 15:56:37 GMT 3
The content of the book does not add any value to public service. In reality, the book has primarily helped to shed light on Miguna’s egocentric and self conceited nature: an individual who made life difficult to his erstwhile colleagues at the Premier’s office. Abisai Mundia, NyeriThe decision by Miguna to leave the country is simply an act of cowardice. It is unfortunate he had to flee at night and claim he is going to market his book abroad. What is the significance of going to market his book abroad when the Kenyan market is not yet saturated? And why does he have to go with his family to market the book? Miguna should have the tenacity to stand prosecution if only to prove he is the bigger man. This is the only way he will earn the trust of Kenyans. Otherwise, he will be considered a political psycho whose strength is to speak louder than he acts. It is true that cowards live longer: but Miguna’s actions leave a lot to be desired. www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000062339&pageNo=1 |
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Post by 50cents on Jul 30, 2012 16:10:28 GMT 3
And the comments in this article is telling |
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jul 30, 2012 16:28:49 GMT 3
To All:
Please note that I have replaced the original response from Miguna with a new revamped and edited version which contains new details including rebuttals of some of the criticisms that have made in Jukwaa and elsewhere.
Onyango Oloo
Jukwaa Administrator
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Post by reporter911 on Jul 30, 2012 16:36:44 GMT 3
WORSE EDIT JOB I HAVE EVER COME ACROSS ( after reading Kenyans comments on his ealier response Miguna now tries to add allegations, more propaganda spin! waaow! it blows ones mind ;D ;D ;D
Miguna should be reminded Kenyans are too intelligent to be fooled by his allegations, propaganda in his book.. the Person clueless is Miguna.
trying to demean any Kenyan who critic's his book by calling them Raila Groupies, will not stop them from demanding Miguna show's proof of all his allegations including his claim of withholding PEV crucial information!! Kenyans are not scared of Miguna's bullying tactic's .. Kenyans are here to stay and will continue critiquing Miguna's book of pure allegations which todate he has not substantiated it is all hearsay.. so and so told me this and that!!!! pure malice, propaganda madness..
who is using DIVERSIONARY TACTICS? Miguna..by calling his critic's GROUPIES, MOI'S ORPHANS AND PROPAGANDISTS... Miguna is still posting edited allegations, with no proof whatsoever.. enuff said
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Post by Mobimba on Jul 30, 2012 16:48:40 GMT 3
Email from a correspondent who prefers to remain nameless:Raila mocking Miguna for not having enough money to pay school fees for his children is in very bad taste. It betrays a callousness and arrogance that establishes as valid the portrait painted in Peeling Back the Mask. In the present fashion, does anyone want to psychoanalyse Odinga here below - Just on basic principles of decency, we oughtn’t mock people for being unable to afford basic necessities – particularly necessities for their children. It really is something altogether special that the Prime Minister broadcasts Miguna’s desperation at not being able to pay school fees. But it is worse that one should without justification rob another of their income and then mock them for the consequent privation. To follow that up with calumnious comment when they extricate themselves from such desperation demonstrates a mean-spiritedness that desires Miguna remain impoverished and unhappy until Raila says different. It is a strange world when people offering themselves as champions of the Bill of Rights and desirous of a world in which such things as food, shelter and livelihoods were granted everyone, justify compliance with essential moral codes on paternalistic ‘humanitarian’ arguments. Two billionaires sit about a table and think to throw a bone at a lesser mortal. I wonder what are Raila’s CSO faction saying? Does any of this cause any of them pause? Is there silence on KPTJ for example? Odinga really has a hold over Kenyan Civil Society – unions, church, media, NGOs, etc. We have either silence or vicious attacks. OO, Your nameless email correspondant must not have read Miguna's book where he (MM) MOCKED Raila's inability to buy a beer right after detention. Apparently, folks were running out of pubs as soon as Raila stepped in. Yaani, Raila was so broke that folks avoided him like the plague. In Kenyan man-town lingo, the assertion, "you cant buy a beer" is more emotionally dilapidating than "you cant pay school fees". So really, it's MM who hit Raila below the belt. Either way, this might be a classic case of "you started it first". In any case, it was not Raila deriding Miguna. It was Quarcoo… who was just trying to help a brother (MM) out. It is he who begged Raila, on MM's behalf, to accept him back in the fold. Only a man of high spirit of forgiveness would offer MM his job back. You must remember that at that point, MM had already unleashed abuses at Raila. So yeah, while Raila is not Jesus, he is just as forgiving. Ultimately, Miguna fired himself. So please disabuse yourself from the notion that Raila robbed Miguna of his livelihood. The man quit and went to bed with the devil. Plus primary education in Kenya is free. |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Jul 30, 2012 17:42:17 GMT 3
Email from a correspondent who prefers to remain nameless:Raila mocking Miguna for not having enough money to pay school fees for his children is in very bad taste. It betrays a callousness and arrogance that establishes as valid the portrait painted in Peeling Back the Mask. In the present fashion, does anyone want to psychoanalyse Odinga here below - Just on basic principles of decency, we oughtn’t mock people for being unable to afford basic necessities – particularly necessities for their children. It really is something altogether special that the Prime Minister broadcasts Miguna’s desperation at not being able to pay school fees. But it is worse that one should without justification rob another of their income and then mock them for the consequent privation. To follow that up with calumnious comment when they extricate themselves from such desperation demonstrates a mean-spiritedness that desires Miguna remain impoverished and unhappy until Raila says different. It is a strange world when people offering themselves as champions of the Bill of Rights and desirous of a world in which such things as food, shelter and livelihoods were granted everyone, justify compliance with essential moral codes on paternalistic ‘humanitarian’ arguments. Two billionaires sit about a table and think to throw a bone at a lesser mortal. I wonder what are Raila’s CSO faction saying? Does any of this cause any of them pause? Is there silence on KPTJ for example? Odinga really has a hold over Kenyan Civil Society – unions, church, media, NGOs, etc. We have either silence or vicious attacks. OO, Your nameless email correspondant must not have read Miguna's book where he (MM) MOCKED Raila's inability to buy a beer right after detention. Apparently, folks were running out of pubs as soon as Raila stepped in. Yaani, Raila was so broke that folks avoided him like the plague. In Kenyan man-town lingo, the assertion, "you cant buy a beer" is more emotionally dilapidating than "you cant pay school fees". So really, it's MM who hit Raila below the belt. Either way, this might be a classic case of "you started it first". In any case, it was not Raila deriding Miguna. It was Quarcoo… who was just trying to help a brother (MM) out. It is he who begged Raila, on MM's behalf, to accept him back in the fold. Only a man of high spirit of forgiveness would offer MM his job back. You must remember that at that point, MM had already unleashed abuses at Raila. So yeah, while Raila is not Jesus, he is just as forgiving. Ultimately, Miguna fired himself. So please disabuse yourself from the notion that Raila robbed Miguna of his livelihood. The man quit and went to bed with the devil. Plus primary education in Kenya is free. I find your attempt at drawing parallels at Raila's predicament with Miguna's to be disingenuous and without reason. Whereas those who were running away from Raila in pubs had nothing to with his status and troubles then, Miguna's 'lack of money' had everything to do with Raila. Miguna narrates in very simple language how Raila arranged impromptu trips for him to Minnesota, Denver and all other places always at short notice and without paying for them. After his ill fated attempt at Nyando seat, Miguna spend the entire time campaigning and running Raila's campaign without pay. Later the man suspends him without any reason and denies him access to half pay he did with Isahakia and Caroli. I mean how do you explain such injustices? As if not enough, the man goes to the nearest studio to mock Miguna of how he could not afford school fees for his kids, confirming that, all he was doing all a long was to punish Miguna and his innocent kids and wife. Sad my brother, very sad for a man who wants to lead Kenyans, many of whom are very weak economically. |
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? he should have at least downgraded to Langata or South C....but knowing of the proud Miguna...mmmmh
What you failed to pick up on is the fact that the Canadian author pretty much confirms Miguna does NOT have a public profile in Canada, a status he seems to have embellished in his book.
