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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jul 30, 2012 17:46:07 GMT 3
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Post by reporter911 on Jul 30, 2012 17:48:55 GMT 3
OO, Your nameless email correspondant must not have read Miguna's book where he (MM) MOCKED Raila's inability to buy a beer right after detention. Apparently, folks were running out of pubs as soon as Raila stepped in. Yaani, Raila was so broke that folks avoided him like the plague. In Kenyan man-town lingo, the assertion, "you cant buy a beer" is more emotionally dilapidating than "you cant pay school fees". So really, it's MM who hit Raila below the belt. Either way, this might be a classic case of "you started it first". In any case, it was not Raila deriding Miguna. It was Quarcoo… who was just trying to help a brother (MM) out. It is he who begged Raila, on MM's behalf, to accept him back in the fold. Only a man of high spirit of forgiveness would offer MM his job back. You must remember that at that point, MM had already unleashed abuses at Raila. So yeah, while Raila is not Jesus, he is just as forgiving. Ultimately, Miguna fired himself. So please disabuse yourself from the notion that Raila robbed Miguna of his livelihood. The man quit and went to bed with the devil. Plus primary education in Kenya is free. I find your attempt at drawing parallels at Raila's predicament with Miguna's to be disingenuous and without reason. Whereas those who were running away from Raila in pubs had nothing to with his status and troubles then, Miguna's 'lack of money' had everything to do with Raila. Miguna narrates in very simple language how Raila arranged impromptu trips for him to Minnesota, Denver and all other places always at short notice and without paying for them. After his ill fated attempt at Nyando seat, Miguna spend the entire time campaigning and running Raila's campaign without pay. Later the man suspends him without any reason and denies him access to half pay he did with Isahakia and Caroli. I mean how do you explain such injustices? As if not enough, the man goes to the nearest studio to mock Miguna of how he could not afford school fees for his kids, confirming that, all he was doing all a long was to punish Miguna and his innocent kids and wife. Sad my brother, very sad for a man who wants to lead Kenyans, many of whom are very weak economically. I thought it was already confirmed and stated clearly somewhere on this blog by Job that Miguna never paid any of Raila's expenses during his campaign trips to woo the diaspora in the USA? Miguna was campaigning for his on political come back to Kenya, that means he was trailing along following the Raila for his own Political gains and that means all his expenses were his to bear..nothing to do with Raila and if Miguna is alleging that he used his money to pay any expenses for Raila let him table it now Pronto!!! .. it has been already stated clearly that he was tagging along for his own political reasons.. " looking for a AG position or PS that is if he didn't sail through his constituency to be come their MP! wacheni Propaganda alah!! |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Jul 30, 2012 17:53:32 GMT 3
...My view is that this thread does not 'add value' in Jukwaa. It should be yanked immediately. .. I beg to differ. It adds a lot of value ... more value than most others (pretending to be) dealing with Miguna's book. If Sarah Elderkin really wrote the things Miguna excerpts above, then it appears that she is privy to the kind of rot that Miguna unmasks. Therefore it is difficult now to pull Miguna's "Peeling Back the Mask ..." under the rag, under the pretense that it is a fabricated writing of a bitter individual. What unfolds here could also be a cursory window at a prospective government in waiting ... likely as dark as any we've had. In it one can spot candidates for the "wapende wasipende" and the "Chei Chei Kamuthu" characters. Sycophants are what gave us a dictatorship in the 80s and 90s. It seems they could be at it again in a big way! Mank, I have to agree. Anyone who has read Miguna's book and also read Elderkin's pieces plus the email exchanges between the two, will come a very simple conclusion. That Sarah knows which side of her bread is buttered and that Miguna's narratives on this issue are very credible and very true. Like many here on Jukwaa, Sarah has cut Miguna off so as to keep her paycheck (which Miguna indicates is drawn directly from the exchequer despite Sarah not being formally appointed as a Raila aide and thus a public servant). She sums this up in this paragraph in one of her latest pieces: Criticism has been offered in some forums because I have praised Miguna in the past, and now I have voiced some condemnation of him. Such criticism demonstrates very shallow thinking. Nothing is static or one-dimensional.[/u] The good thing is, Kenyans are listening and asking very appropriate questions. |
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Post by reporter911 on Jul 30, 2012 17:53:51 GMT 3
;D nothing to add.. Miguna's groupies are out in full force... I wonder whether they indeed read the book in full? I doubt it.. just blind praises.. oops!who are we to judge all Kenyans is allowed to critic and pile praises on whomever they choose to ama.. ;D |
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Post by reporter911 on Jul 30, 2012 17:55:52 GMT 3
I beg to differ. It adds a lot of value ... more value than most others (pretending to be) dealing with Miguna's book. If Sarah Elderkin really wrote the things Miguna excerpts above, then it appears that she is privy to the kind of rot that Miguna unmasks. Therefore it is difficult now to pull Miguna's "Peeling Back the Mask ..." under the rag, under the pretense that it is a fabricated writing of a bitter individual. What unfolds here could also be a cursory window at a prospective government in waiting ... likely as dark as any we've had. In it one can spot candidates for the "wapende wasipende" and the "Chei Chei Kamuthu" characters. Sycophants are what gave us a dictatorship in the 80s and 90s. It seems they could be at it again in a big way! Mank, I have to agree. Anyone who has read Miguna's book and also read Elderkin's pieces plus the email exchanges between the two, will come a very simple conclusion. That Sarah knows which side of her bread is buttered and that Miguna's narratives on this issue are very credible and very true. Like many here on Jukwaa, Sarah has cut Miguna off so as to keep her paycheck (which Miguna indicates is drawn directly from the exchequer despite Sarah not being formally appointed as a Raila aide and thus a public servant). She sums this up in this paragraph in one of her latest pieces: Criticism has been offered in some forums because I have praised Miguna in the past, and now I have voiced some condemnation of him. Such criticism demonstrates very shallow thinking. Nothing is static or one-dimensional.[/u] The good thing is, Kenyans are listening and asking very appropriate questions. [/quote] You bet they are!! all Kenyans are wondering why Miguna is withholding "PEV" crucial information and why the Kenya police or ICC has not demanded that he tables it!! yes Kenyans want answers from Miguna Pronto!! |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Jul 30, 2012 18:10:12 GMT 3
Lincoln,I find your attempt at drawing parallels at Raila's predicament with Miguna's to be disingenuous and without reason. Whereas those who were running away from Raila in pubs had nothing to with his status and troubles then, Miguna's 'lack of money' had everything to do with Raila. Miguna narrates in very simple language how Raila arranged impromptu trips for him to Minnesota, Denver and all other places always at short notice and without paying for them. After his ill fated attempt at Nyando seat, Miguna spend the entire time campaigning and running Raila's campaign without pay. Later the man suspends him without any reason and denies him access to half pay he did with Isahakia and Caroli. I mean how do you explain such injustices? As if not enough, the man goes to the nearest studio to mock Miguna of how he could not afford school fees for his kids, confirming that, all he was doing all a long was to punish Miguna and his innocent kids and wife. Sad my brother, very sad for a man who wants to lead Kenyans, many of whom are very weak economically. I thought it was already confirmed and stated clearly somewhere on this blog by Job that Miguna never paid any of Raila's expenses during his campaign trips to woo the diaspora in the USA? Miguna was campaigning for his on political come back to Kenya, that means he was trailing along following the Raila for his own Political gains and that means all his expenses were his to bear..nothing to do with Raila and if Miguna is alleging that he used his money to pay any expenses for Raila let him table it now Pronto!!! .. it has been already stated clearly that he was tagging along for his own political reasons.. " looking for a AG position or PS that is if he didn't sail through his constituency to be come their MP! wacheni Propaganda alah!! Reporter, I am not one of those who buy what fellows say here wholesale, especially well known propagandists and party hawks. I remember way back in 2007, one of my village-mates, then living in Winnipeg Manitoba, had a story just after a Raila trip to Canada that by and large corroborates Miguna's narrative very well. Apparently, there was a big problem within the Kenyan association in Manitoba over money that was to be expended on the Raila trip. According to the gentleman, he had fallen out with some officials for committing all the association's resources to the trip. According to him, Raila only send them a list of people he was travelling with including his wife Ida, then party treasure Magara and other hungers-on and expected them to deliver their tickets by a certain date to him in Nairobi. They had to organize and meet all the bills during the trip, which they did to the protestation of other members including 'my friend'. So when I read Miguna's book and saw all these trips he was called to make and the money he was expected to expend on the trips, I immediately remembered this and have no doubt that Miguna's story to some extend is true. |
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Post by reporter911 on Jul 30, 2012 18:15:27 GMT 3
I thought it was already confirmed and stated clearly somewhere on this blog by Job that Miguna never paid any of Raila's expenses during his campaign trips to woo the diaspora in the USA? Miguna was campaigning for his on political come back to Kenya, that means he was trailing along following the Raila for his own Political gains and that means all his expenses were his to bear..nothing to do with Raila and if Miguna is alleging that he used his money to pay any expenses for Raila let him table it now Pronto!!! .. it has been already stated clearly that he was tagging along for his own political reasons.. " looking for a AG position or PS that is if he didn't sail through his constituency to be come their MP! wacheni Propaganda alah!! Reporter, I am not one of those who buy what fellows say here wholesale, especially well known propagandists and party hawks. I remember way back in 2007, one of my village-mates, then living in Winnipeg Manitoba, had a story just after a Raila trip to Canada that by and large corroborates Miguna's narrative very well. Apparently, there was a big problem within the Kenyan association in Manitoba over money that was to be expended on the Raila trip. According to the gentleman, he had fallen out with some officials for committing all the association's resources to the trip. According to him, Raila only send them a list of people he was travelling with including his wife Ida, then party treasure Magara and other hungers-on and expected them to deliver their tickets by a certain date to him in Nairobi. They had to organize and meet all the bills during the trip, which they did to the protestation of other members including 'my friend'. So when I read Miguna's book and saw all these trips he was called to make and the money he was expected to expend on the trips, I immediately remembered this and have no doubt that Miguna's story to some extend is true. Mwalimumkuu Again you are peddling rumour and allegations, please table the proof here 1. the gentleman's name 2. His proof of expenditure signed agreement between him and Raila's office Lets not play games and peddle lies, innuendo's, rumours and allegations here like in Miguna's book.. If indeed the said gentleman spend his money then I'm sure he will be ready and willing to send you the information to post right on here.. wacha uporojo.. There those who want to join the gravy train in the Diaspora when politicians come calling and show off by spending money that they don't have then run around claiming that the said politicians made them spend $$$$ of money.. utter nonsense! bure Kabisa!! |
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Post by Mobimba on Jul 30, 2012 18:19:22 GMT 3
OO, Your nameless email correspondant must not have read Miguna's book where he (MM) MOCKED Raila's inability to buy a beer right after detention. Apparently, folks were running out of pubs as soon as Raila stepped in. Yaani, Raila was so broke that folks avoided him like the plague. In Kenyan man-town lingo, the assertion, "you cant buy a beer" is more emotionally dilapidating than "you cant pay school fees". So really, it's MM who hit Raila below the belt. Either way, this might be a classic case of "you started it first". In any case, it was not Raila deriding Miguna. It was Quarcoo… who was just trying to help a brother (MM) out. It is he who begged Raila, on MM's behalf, to accept him back in the fold. Only a man of high spirit of forgiveness would offer MM his job back. You must remember that at that point, MM had already unleashed abuses at Raila. So yeah, while Raila is not Jesus, he is just as forgiving. Ultimately, Miguna fired himself. So please disabuse yourself from the notion that Raila robbed Miguna of his livelihood. The man quit and went to bed with the devil. Plus primary education in Kenya is free. I find your attempt at drawing parallels at Raila's predicament with Miguna's to be disingenuous and without reason. Whereas those who were running away from Raila in pubs had nothing to with his status and troubles then, Miguna's 'lack of money' had everything to do with Raila. Miguna narrates in very simple language how Raila arranged impromptu trips for him to Minnesota, Denver and all other places always at short notice and without paying for them. After his ill fated attempt at Nyando seat, Miguna spend the entire time campaigning and running Raila's campaign without pay. Later the man suspends him without any reason and denies him access to half pay he did with Isahakia and Caroli. I mean how do you explain such injustices? As if not enough, the man goes to the nearest studio to mock Miguna of how he could not afford school fees for his kids, confirming that, all he was doing all a long was to punish Miguna and his innocent kids and wife. Sad my brother, very sad for a man who wants to lead Kenyans, many of whom are very weak economically. Mwalimumkuu, How about the fact that it was Quarcoo (not Raila) who highlighted MM's plight to Raila? Raila was simply trying to explain to the world how he came to the magnanimous decision to give MM back his job. He clearly was thinking about MM's babies when he opted to accept MM back. As for MM spending in excess of 40K USD on Raila's US trips, well cry buckets. Nobody put a gun to his head. He could have simply said NO. Anyway, what type of father leaves his wife and babies in the dead of night to fly across borders to work for free? Folks volunteer in political campaigns all the time without ulterior expectations. In MM's case, however, his supposed volunteerism was an investment for future CJ/AG considerations. |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Jul 30, 2012 18:28:38 GMT 3
Reporter, I am not one of those who buy what fellows say here wholesale, especially well known propagandists and party hawks. I remember way back in 2007, one of my village-mates, then living in Winnipeg Manitoba, had a story just after a Raila trip to Canada that by and large corroborates Miguna's narrative very well. Apparently, there was a big problem within the Kenyan association in Manitoba over money that was to be expended on the Raila trip. According to the gentleman, he had fallen out with some officials for committing all the association's resources to the trip. According to him, Raila only send them a list of people he was travelling with including his wife Ida, then party treasure Magara and other hungers-on and expected them to deliver their tickets by a certain date to him in Nairobi. They had to organize and meet all the bills during the trip, which they did to the protestation of other members including 'my friend'. So when I read Miguna's book and saw all these trips he was called to make and the money he was expected to expend on the trips, I immediately remembered this and have no doubt that Miguna's story to some extend is true. Mwalimumkuu Again you are peddling rumour and allegations, please table the proof here 1. the gentleman's name 2. His proof of expenditure signed agreement between him and Raila's office Lets not play games and peddle lies, innuendo's, rumours and allegations here like in Miguna's book.. If indeed the said gentleman spend his money then I'm sure he will be ready and willing to send you the information to post right on here.. wacha uporojo.. There those who want to join the gravy train in the Diaspora when politicians come calling and show off by spending money that they don't have then run around claiming that the said politicians made them spend $$$$ of money.. utter nonsense! bure Kabisa!! Reporter, You are one very interesting character. Do ever read and understand what one is saying before you hit your keyboard? I never said that the man spend his money, but that the Kenyan's association in Manitoba of which he was a member did to his dislike. Indeed when he narrated the story, I did not make much out of it until I read Miguna's book than I flashed back and remember this story as they sounded very similar and about the same man and trips abroad. |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Jul 30, 2012 18:32:57 GMT 3
Lincoln,I find your attempt at drawing parallels at Raila's predicament with Miguna's to be disingenuous and without reason. Whereas those who were running away from Raila in pubs had nothing to with his status and troubles then, Miguna's 'lack of money' had everything to do with Raila. Miguna narrates in very simple language how Raila arranged impromptu trips for him to Minnesota, Denver and all other places always at short notice and without paying for them. After his ill fated attempt at Nyando seat, Miguna spend the entire time campaigning and running Raila's campaign without pay. Later the man suspends him without any reason and denies him access to half pay he did with Isahakia and Caroli. I mean how do you explain such injustices? As if not enough, the man goes to the nearest studio to mock Miguna of how he could not afford school fees for his kids, confirming that, all he was doing all a long was to punish Miguna and his innocent kids and wife. Sad my brother, very sad for a man who wants to lead Kenyans, many of whom are very weak economically. Mwalimumkuu, How about the fact that it was Quarcoo (not Raila) who highlighted MM's plight to Raila? Raila was simply trying to explain to the world how he came to the magnanimous decision to give MM back his job. He clearly was thinking about MM's babies when he opted to accept MM back. As for MM spending in excess of 40K USD on Raila's US trips, well cry buckets. Nobody put a gun to his head. He could have simply said NO. Anyway, what type of father leaves his wife and babies in the dead of night to fly across borders to work for free? Folks volunteer in political campaigns all the time without ulterior expectations. In MM's case, however, his supposed volunteerism was an investment for future CJ/AG considerations. Lincoln, I find it very interesting that Raila would suspend Miguna without any pay and without any reason and only wait to hear from Quarcoo that Miguna needed money for him to take appropriate action. That to me sounds very odd, especially for a man who had experienced similar situations before. As regards political volunteers, we may live in different planets, but I know for sure that there is a reason why they are called political volunteers. |
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Post by stibin on Jul 30, 2012 18:45:21 GMT 3
Mank, I have to agree. Anyone who has read Miguna's book and also read Elderkin's pieces plus the email exchanges between the two, will come a very simple conclusion. That Sarah knows which side of her bread is buttered and that Miguna's narratives on this issue are very credible and very true. Like many here on Jukwaa, Sarah has cut Miguna off so as to keep her paycheck (which Miguna indicates is drawn directly from the exchequer despite Sarah not being formally appointed as a Raila aide and thus a public servant). She sums this up in this paragraph in one of her latest pieces: Criticism has been offered in some forums because I have praised Miguna in the past, and now I have voiced some condemnation of him. Such criticism demonstrates very shallow thinking. Nothing is static or one-dimensional.[/u] The good thing is, Kenyans are listening and asking very appropriate questions. [/quote] You bet they are!! all Kenyans are wondering why Miguna is withholding "PEV" crucial information and why the Kenya police or ICC has not demanded that he tables it!! yes Kenyans want answers from Miguna Pronto!! [/quote] You've got to learn to speak for yourself because not all kenyans demand Miguna produces PEV evidence he claims to have. in any way I hear ICC prosecutor is studying migunas book for such evidence. By the way don't you think Raila should also table evidence regarding allegation that NSIS funded miguna book? |
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Post by Mobimba on Jul 30, 2012 19:04:57 GMT 3
Mwalimumkuu, How about the fact that it was Quarcoo (not Raila) who highlighted MM's plight to Raila? Raila was simply trying to explain to the world how he came to the magnanimous decision to give MM back his job. He clearly was thinking about MM's babies when he opted to accept MM back. As for MM spending in excess of 40K USD on Raila's US trips, well cry buckets. Nobody put a gun to his head. He could have simply said NO. Anyway, what type of father leaves his wife and babies in the dead of night to fly across borders to work for free? Folks volunteer in political campaigns all the time without ulterior expectations. In MM's case, however, his supposed volunteerism was an investment for future CJ/AG considerations. Lincoln, I find it very interesting that Raila would suspend Miguna without any pay and without any reason and only wait to hear from Quarcoo that Miguna needed money for him to take appropriate action. That to me sounds very odd, especially for a man who had experienced similar situations before. As regards political volunteers, we may live in different planets, but I know for sure that there is a reason why they are called political volunteers. Mwalimumkuu, On the same token, why did Miguna write of Raila's alleged escapades with Shebesh, Passaris etc while leaving out his own sexual improprieties and internationally known frog-matching to Canadian High courts to answer charges of sexual molestation on hapless immigrant girls? Unwarranted sexual touching or squeezing a perky tit or badonkadonk is not a minor crime as MM would like us to believe. I don’t have all the answers but the man is a wretched RAT. Of what value is Raila's bedroom acrobatics in his memoirs? Miguna is a filthy snitch. Can you imagine how many sets of three dozen red roses were bought after the publishing of this book? Analeta kisirani nyumbani. |
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Post by nalinali on Jul 30, 2012 19:36:10 GMT 3
in my estimation,Miguna is an idiot!!!! Anyone who takes him and his views seriously(like his groupies here at Jukwaa) had better re-examine their positions.
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Post by nalinali on Jul 30, 2012 19:40:27 GMT 3
Of late Miguna seems to have developed a fixation with calling anyone who questions anyone who disagrees with him a "groupie".... .If Jukwaa is being Mashadised, then it is none other than Miguna who is leading the charge,With the uncritical help of OO. |
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Post by reporter911 on Jul 30, 2012 22:03:59 GMT 3
You bet they are!! all Kenyans are wondering why Miguna is withholding "PEV" crucial information and why the Kenya police or ICC has not demanded that he tables it!! yes Kenyans want answers from Miguna Pronto!! You've got to learn to speak for yourself because not all kenyans demand Miguna produces PEV evidence he claims to have. in any way I hear ICC prosecutor is studying migunas book for such evidence. By the way don't you think Raila should also table evidence regarding allegation that NSIS funded miguna book? Hey Back off? did I mention your name here? I know many Kenyans who would like to know which crucial information Miguna withholding including those 6ft under, nobody asked you to count yourself among the Kenyans demanding the crucial information!! Miguna needs to produce the alleged evidence or was he using such utterance to promote his book or blackmail politicians to LICK HIS FEET!! upuze mutupu |
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Post by mzee on Jul 30, 2012 22:13:45 GMT 3
Im in Kenya and Miguna is actually a none issue. Everybody I asked about the book laughed looked at me in disbelief. Are you asking me about that junk?
Let me enjoy my holidays. We have lost Miguna.
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Post by reporter911 on Jul 30, 2012 22:27:14 GMT 3
Im in Kenya and Miguna is actually a none issue. Everybody I asked about the book laughed looked at me in disbelief. Are you asking me about that junk? Let me enjoy my holidays. We have lost Miguna. ;D ;D |
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Post by tnk on Jul 30, 2012 22:35:25 GMT 3
Im in Kenya and Miguna is actually a none issue. Everybody I asked about the book laughed looked at me in disbelief. Are you asking me about that junk? Let me enjoy my holidays. We have lost Miguna. ;D maybe you are talking to the wrong crowd. Look for mwalimumkuu. |
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Post by reporter911 on Jul 31, 2012 0:12:26 GMT 3
Mwalimumkuu Again you are peddling rumour and allegations, please table the proof here 1. the gentleman's name 2. His proof of expenditure signed agreement between him and Raila's office Lets not play games and peddle lies, innuendo's, rumours and allegations here like in Miguna's book.. If indeed the said gentleman spend his money then I'm sure he will be ready and willing to send you the information to post right on here.. wacha uporojo.. There those who want to join the gravy train in the Diaspora when politicians come calling and show off by spending money that they don't have then run around claiming that the said politicians made them spend $$$$ of money.. utter nonsense! bure Kabisa!! Reporter, You are one very interesting character. Do ever read and understand what one is saying before you hit your keyboard? I never said that the man spend his money, but that the Kenyan's association in Manitoba of which he was a member did to his dislike. Indeed when he narrated the story, I did not make much out of it until I read Miguna's book than I flashed back and remember this story as they sounded very similar and about the same man and trips abroad. Then the Kenya Association should have that in record!! is the Kenyan Association in Manitoba a registered as an NGO or a charity in Canada? they have to do their tax returns and that means they have to mention Expenses paid out..they have the records for such expenses.. Get Proof MwalimuMkuu get proof.. instead of penning on Jukwaa, allegations, Ruomurs, propaganda are you trying to copycat Miguna's Book? wacha muchezo !! |
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Post by reporter911 on Jul 31, 2012 0:17:01 GMT 3
Mwalimumkuu, How about the fact that it was Quarcoo (not Raila) who highlighted MM's plight to Raila? Raila was simply trying to explain to the world how he came to the magnanimous decision to give MM back his job. He clearly was thinking about MM's babies when he opted to accept MM back. As for MM spending in excess of 40K USD on Raila's US trips, well cry buckets. Nobody put a gun to his head. He could have simply said NO. Anyway, what type of father leaves his wife and babies in the dead of night to fly across borders to work for free? Folks volunteer in political campaigns all the time without ulterior expectations. In MM's case, however, his supposed volunteerism was an investment for future CJ/AG considerations. Lincoln, I find it very interesting that Raila would suspend Miguna without any pay and without any reason and only wait to hear from Quarcoo that Miguna needed money for him to take appropriate action. That to me sounds very odd, especially for a man who had experienced similar situations before. As regards political volunteers, we may live in different planets, but I know for sure that there is a reason why they are called political volunteers. Opps! did Miguna sign an employment agreement with the government? I thought he was on month to month contract? if so then there is no money owned to him by the Kenya Tax payers.. it is not Raila's money Kapiche!! Miguna's salary was paid by the Kenyan Tax payers and if he wants to go back to court to Sue again let him do so! ( since he had no contract I guess he was working as a political Volunteer!!  |
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Post by adongo23456 on Jul 31, 2012 1:32:27 GMT 3
To All:Please note that I have replaced the original response from Miguna with a new revamped and edited version which contains new details including rebuttals of some of the criticisms that have made in Jukwaa and elsewhere.
Onyango Oloo
Jukwaa Administrator Ndugu Oloo, This is bizzare to say the least. Let me try to get this straight. So Miguna writes a response to his critics and gives it to you to post in Jukwaa. Miguna then reads the responses to his piece. Instead of Miguna responding to the issues raised on his piece, Miguna decides to edit his earlier post which Jukwaa members have respond to and effectively changes his earlier piece. This means the piece Jukwaa members have responded to no longer exists. If this is not unethical I don't know what is. If we accept this as the norm in Jukwaa we will be abusing the intelligence of our members. It means anybody joining the debate after the revised version will not understand what people were reponding to. Miguna should have simply offered his rejoinder to the issues raised on his earlier post to at least maintain the credibility of the thread. If it was just a misspelled name or wrong date that is fine but you should not accomodate and facilitate people changing their pieces midstream. Let us all live by the same standards. I have read both versions and there are significant differences, specifically with regard to the sexist tone towards Sarah Elderkin that Miguna adopted in his first post. If Miguna wishes to address that he should do so with a little honesty and no panya routes. Let's keep this board honest for everybody by closing panya routes for one and all before we start complaining of side shows after we invent them. My 2 cents. Let the debate rage on. Shall we! |
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Post by reporter911 on Jul 31, 2012 1:46:13 GMT 3
www.theglobeandmail.com/news/worl....article4446166/This is what I posted ...Where is the story? what is mean spirited about asking why Global Mail pulled the story? or it it somewhere else on the global mail that we missed? About Miguna now vacationing in A Dorm with his family at Seneca College?
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Post by reporter911 on Jul 31, 2012 1:50:33 GMT 3
To All:Please note that I have replaced the original response from Miguna with a new revamped and edited version which contains new details including rebuttals of some of the criticisms that have made in Jukwaa and elsewhere.
Onyango Oloo
Jukwaa Administrator Ndugu Oloo, This is bizzare to say the least. Let me try to get this straight. So Miguna writes a response to his critics and gives it to you to post in Jukwaa. Miguna then reads the responses to his piece. Instead of Miguna responding to the issues raised on his piece, Miguna decides to edit his earlier post which Jukwaa members have respond to and effectively changes his earlier piece. This means the piece Jukwaa members have responded to no longer exists. If this is not unethical I don't know what is. If we accept this as the norm in Jukwaa we will be abusing the intelligence of our members. It means anybody joining the debate after the revised version will not understand what people were reponding to. Miguna should have simply offered his rejoinder to the issues raised on his earlier post to at least maintain the credibility of the thread. If it was just a misspelled name or wrong date that is fine but you should not accomodate and facilitate people changing their pieces midstream. Let us all live by the same standards. I have read both versions and there are significant differences, specifically with regard to the sexist tone towards Sarah Elderkin that Miguna adopted in his first post. If Miguna wishes to address that he should do so with a little honesty and no panya routes. Let's keep this board honest for everybody by closing panya routes for one and all before we start complaining of side shows after we invent them. My 2 cents. Let the debate rage on. Shall we! I'm in total agreement with your assessment.. the old post should be posted back and Miguna's new post should be added on the old segment.. it is like covering the half truths that one posted earlier gaging peoples rebuttals then deciding to rewrite the whole post.. doesn't sit right! in fairness.. |
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Post by patriotism101 on Jul 31, 2012 6:38:04 GMT 3
I’m for truth, no matter who tells it…….. – Malcolm X (Peeling the mask- preamble) Section 265 of the Criminal Code of Canada (“Criminal Code”) outlines the offences of assault and sexual assault as follows: True sexual assault is defined as any form of sexual contact without both parties’ voluntary consent. As MM correctly points out , contrary to what most people think, sexual assault is not limited to non-consensual intercourse, it can also include non-consensual fondling, touching, or kissing. Section 265 of the Criminal Code of Canada (“Criminal Code”) outlines the offences of assault and sexual assault for the interest of being brief I will not not regurgitate what it states here but will post the link for anyone interested. Section 271(1) of the same Code states prescribes punishment for assault, including sexual assault. Incarceration ranges anywhere from 18 months to 10 years. laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-126.html#docContAdditionaly, Similar to the United States, Canada has the National Sex Offender Registry (NSOR) which came into force in 2004, with the passing of the Sex Offender Information Registration Act (SOIR Act). The public does not have access to the registry however all government law enforcement agencies have access to the database. What this registry does is that you name pops up as a sex offender whenever you a subject of a background check. You cannot be left with children alone; certain western countries will refuse you entry on the basis of being on this list. In some places, you have to be monitored by an ankle bracelet. In essence, it is a no fly list, a no work list akin to the famous terrorist list most airlines use . The point I am trying to make is that a sexual assault charge is not a small matter as MM wants us to believe and he should stop playing with our intelligence. MM, through OO has asked why some “miscreants” are questioning why he should have written about his sexual assault case in his book even though he was acquitted of the charges. He is wondering why should he have written about it. First and foremost, MM has placed himself on a moral high ground, a hard working civil servant whose only interest in public good. By writing this book, he offered himself for scrutiny to not just Kenyans but to his global audience should in all fairness be free to probe and examine his moral character. I read today that he has not ruled out running for Kenyan presidency. It is therefore in order that MM is fair game. What some of us would like to know is his recollection of what happened leading to the allegations of sexual assault and subsequent acquittal. Hopefully the alleged victims will give their version of events and some “miscreants” will make their decisions. It is one thing to accuse RAO of hypocrisy but cry foul when held to the high standard you expect him to uphold as a leader. Now, I would understand if he would like to shield his family/children/friends from the sexual assault drama. He should come out and say so. Or is it OO he is protecting? (OO in a different thread informed this blog that one of the alleged victims was an in-law) I think it is disingenuous for MM write a tell all about other people and ask why we think he should have written about this matter. Even his excuse that the original draft was too long does not make sense bearing in mind the repetitions in the book. On Page 394, MM states, “…….a European diplomat (whom I will not name because they are still serving and disclosing their name might jeopardize or compromise their position)……………..” Puuuuuulize! What hypocracy! MM has gone on a name and shame spree of his fellow Africans and people who stood for him in his hour of need. I remember the people on Jukwaa trying to guess who the mediator between RAO and MM at Serena was. Folks here were so far from the name Patrick Quarcoo like the sun is from the earth- I guess publishing this name for all to see does not jeopardize and compromise his position. How about members of RAOs think tank- your friends- people who are “still serving” and confided in MM private information- Does MM think he has jeopardized or compromised their positions. I admire the way he sanitized Sally Kosgey-indeed he has a very soft spot for her, for a person who shed tears when Moi (who he demonize)- is she not still serving? Doesn’t publishing all the heart to heart jeopardize or compromise her position? This mindset of having a double standard for Europeans is a complex least expected from a person of MM statue- I will not tolerate it in a waiter who expects a big tip from a mzungu or from MM. Was the fear of a Visa denial to enter certain European capital a factor in censoring this diplomat? Even where MM profess deep respect for a friend, it is funny the way he has little regard for private conversations. I have nothing against MM, that is why I am peeling the mask- pole pole- but I had to respond to the miscreant rant. Senti 5 Disclaimer: I am neither a miscreant, Raila Groupy, Kanu Orphan nor a propagandist. Spell check on the go |
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Post by reporter911 on Jul 31, 2012 6:47:08 GMT 3
I’m for truth, no matter who tells it…….. – Malcolm X (Peeling the mask- preamble) Section 265 of the Criminal Code of Canada (“Criminal Code”) outlines the offences of assault and sexual assault as follows: True sexual assault is defined as any form of sexual contact without both parties’ voluntary consent. As MM correctly points out , contrary to what most people think, sexual assault is not limited to non-consensual intercourse, it can also include non-consensual fondling, touching, or kissing. Section 265 of the Criminal Code of Canada (“Criminal Code”) outlines the offences of assault and sexual assault for the interest of being brief I will not not regurgitate what it states here but will post the link for anyone interested. Section 271(1) of the same Code states prescribes punishment for assault, including sexual assault. Incarceration ranges anywhere from 18 months to 10 years. laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-126.html#docContAdditionaly, Similar to the United States, Canada has the National Sex Offender Registry (NSOR) which came into force in 2004, with the passing of the Sex Offender Information Registration Act (SOIR Act). The public does not have access to the registry however all government law enforcement agencies have access to the database. What this registry does is that you name pops up as a sex offender whenever you a subject of a background check. You cannot be left with children alone; certain western countries will refuse you entry on the basis of being on this list. In some places, you have to be monitored by an ankle bracelet. In essence, it is a no fly list, a no work list akin to the famous terrorist list most airlines use . The point I am trying to make is that a sexual assault charge is not a small matter as MM wants us to believe and he should stop playing with our intelligence. MM, through OO has asked why some “miscreants” are questioning why he should have written about his sexual assault case in his book even though he was acquitted of the charges. He is wondering why should he have written about it. First and foremost, MM has placed himself on a moral high ground, a hard working civil servant whose only interest in public good. By writing this book, he offered himself for scrutiny to not just Kenyans but to his global audience should in all fairness be free to probe and examine his moral character. I read today that he has not ruled out running for Kenyan presidency. It is therefore in order that MM is fair game. What some of us would like to know is his recollection of what happened leading to the allegations of sexual assault and subsequent acquittal. Hopefully the alleged victims will give their version of events and some “miscreants” will make their decisions. It is one thing to accuse RAO of hypocrisy but cry foul when held to the high standard you expect him to uphold as a leader. Now, I would understand if he would like to shield his family/children/friends from the sexual assault drama. He should come out and say so. Or is it OO he is protecting? (OO in a different thread informed this blog that one of the alleged victims was an in-law) I think it is disingenuous for MM write a tell all about other people and ask why we think he should have written about this matter. Even his excuse that the original draft was too long does not make sense bearing in mind the repetitions in the book. On Page 394, MM states, “…….a European diplomat (whom I will not name because they are still serving and disclosing their name might jeopardize or compromise their position)……………..” Puuuuuulize! What hypocracy! MM has gone on a name and shame spree of his fellow Africans and people who stood for him in his hour of need. I remember the people on Jukwaa trying to guess who the mediator between RAO and MM at Serena was. Folks here were so far from the name Patrick Quarcoo like the sun is from the earth- I guess publishing this name for all to see does not jeopardize and compromise his position. How about members of RAOs think tank- your friends- people who are “still serving” and confided in MM private information- Does MM think he has jeopardized or compromised their positions. I admire the way he sanitized Sally Kosgey-indeed he has a very soft spot for her, for a person who shed tears when Moi (who he demonize)- is she not still serving? Doesn’t publishing all the heart to heart jeopardize or compromise her position? This mindset of having a double standard for Europeans is a complex least expected from a person of MM statue- I will not tolerate it in a waiter who expects a big tip from a mzungu or from MM. Was the fear of a Visa denial to enter certain European capital a factor in censoring this diplomat? Even where MM profess deep respect for a friend, it is funny the way he has little regard for private conversations. I have nothing against MM, that is why I am peeling the mask- pole pole- but I had to respond to the miscreant rant. Senti 5 Disclaimer: I am neither a miscreant, Raila Groupy, Kanu Orphan nor a propagandist. Spell check on the go well said.... Good Points.. Let Miguna answer them if and when he can.. hopefully soon...and I urge you to stop being a Raila Groupie, Kanu Orphan and a Propagandist |
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