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Post by einstein on Mar 8, 2013 21:35:25 GMT 3
The Nation Media Group is a big joke! Since when did Kenya have 60 counties (Uhuru 31 and Raila 29)? I thought we have only 47 and the winner in round one needs at least 24 of those counties! ;D ;D ;D ;D You are simply confused. It does not mean when Uhuru got more than 25 % in 31counties, and Raila got more than 25 % in 29 counties, Kenya has 60 counties. You seem not to realize that both Raila and Uhuru may have got 25% in the same counties. 25% here is in reference to the other presidential candidates when put in total to the vote gained. Thanks Sadik, now I get it! |
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Mar 8, 2013 21:38:20 GMT 3
I am writing this at approximately 9:35 pm Kenyan time on March 8, 2013.
I have heard from multiple sources including those linked to some key ODM insiders that Uhuru Kenyatta has already attained the 50.4% mark at this stage. One number cruncher on NTV had earlier put the magic number for Uhuru at 5,800, 000 votes. As I write this, I believe the Jubilee Presidential candidate has already reached 5.4 million votes.
Let us wait for the inevitable announcement that Uhuru Muigai Kenyatta is the fourth president of the Republic of Kenya.
I will ruminate on the ramifications of this development over the weekend.
Onyango Oloo
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Nairobi, Kenya
March 8, 2013
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Post by b6k on Mar 8, 2013 21:55:53 GMT 3
I am writing this at approximately 9:35 pm Kenyan time on March 8, 2013. I have heard from multiple sources including those linked to some key ODM insiders that Uhuru Kenyatta has already attained the 50.4% mark at this stage. One number cruncher on NTV had earlier put the magic number for Uhuru at 5,800, 000 votes. As I write this, I believe the Jubilee Presidential candidate has already reached 5.4 million votes. Let us wait for the inevitable announcement that Uhuru Muigai Kenyatta is the fourth president of the Republic of Kenya. I will ruminate on the ramifications of this development over the weekend. Onyango Oloo
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March 8, 2013Uhuru is at 5,824,901 & is only at the 50.12% It'ain't over but it almost is. Personally I believe the race ended the minute Kalonzo opened his mouth....but hey, I tend to be big on conspiracies. This "too close to call" mantra has been too predominant since Dubyah pipped Gore to the post thanks to hanging chads & all. Sadly, it seems we are expected to buy it, election cycle after election cycle; in different countries across the globe. I say give a few more minutes/hours for the inevitable to be declared. THERE WILL BE NO SECOND ROUND... |
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Post by podp on Mar 8, 2013 22:05:33 GMT 3
I am writing this at approximately 9:35 pm Kenyan time on March 8, 2013. I have heard from multiple sources including those linked to some key ODM insiders that Uhuru Kenyatta has already attained the 50.4% mark at this stage. One number cruncher on NTV had earlier put the magic number for Uhuru at 5,800, 000 votes. As I write this, I believe the Jubilee Presidential candidate has already reached 5.4 million votes. Let us wait for the inevitable announcement that Uhuru Muigai Kenyatta is the fourth president of the Republic of Kenya. I will ruminate on the ramifications of this development over the weekend. Onyango Oloo
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March 8, 2013Uhuru is at 5,824,901 & is only at the 50.12% It'ain't over but it almost is. Personally I believe the race ended the minute Kalonzo opened his mouth....but hey, I tend to be big on conspiracies. This "too close to call" mantra has been too predominant since Dubyah pipped Gore to the post thanks to hanging chads & all. Sadly, it seems we are expected to buy it, election cycle after election cycle; in different countries across the globe. I say give a few more minutes/hours for the inevitable to be declared. THERE WILL BE NO SECOND ROUND... if that comes to pass the celebration will start before midnight today. the inauguration of the President and Vice President will follow. and then the 1st group of ICC indictees, led by our Vice President will go to Hague and hopefully stay there for a while (say 3 or more years) www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000078908&story_title=Kenya-Ruto,-Sang%E2%80%99s-case-pushed-to-May-28 thereafter the 2nd lot led by our President will follow in July and again will stay there for a longer while. let us celebrate their victory before the Night of the Long Knives or will we and the rest of the world entertain a Bashir re-incarnate? |
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Post by Ouali on Mar 8, 2013 22:07:49 GMT 3
Let the truth be told, Raila slept on the job and the result is paid in cash. There are no miracles in politics you have to work hard to win votes and be pragmatic in the way you do things. Not to say uhuru is pragmatic either but he worked hard to get the votes. The difference is way too large to contest.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 8, 2013 22:12:54 GMT 3
I am writing this at approximately 9:35 pm Kenyan time on March 8, 2013. I have heard from multiple sources including those linked to some key ODM insiders that Uhuru Kenyatta has already attained the 50.4% mark at this stage. One number cruncher on NTV had earlier put the magic number for Uhuru at 5,800, 000 votes. As I write this, I believe the Jubilee Presidential candidate has already reached 5.4 million votes. Let us wait for the inevitable announcement that Uhuru Muigai Kenyatta is the fourth president of the Republic of Kenya. I will ruminate on the ramifications of this development over the weekend. Onyango Oloo
9:38 pm
Nairobi, Kenya
March 8, 2013Uhuru is at 5,824,901 & is only at the 50.12% It'ain't over but it almost is. Personally I believe the race ended the minute Kalonzo opened his mouth....but hey, I tend to be big on conspiracies. This "too close to call" mantra has been too predominant since Dubyah pipped Gore to the post thanks to hanging chads & all. Sadly, it seems we are expected to buy it, election cycle after election cycle; in different countries across the globe. I say give a few more minutes/hours for the inevitable to be declared. THERE WILL BE NO SECOND ROUND... I believe it is a done deal, yeah Kalonzo told it all. |
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Post by joblesscorner on Mar 8, 2013 22:27:35 GMT 3
From ODM Reloaded FB PAGE..
The 3RD Liberation is nigh we are headed for a run off be calm.. #CORD# ;D ;D
Is this Omwenga and Ababu??
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Post by b6k on Mar 8, 2013 22:52:22 GMT 3
Uhuru is at 5,824,901 & is only at the 50.12% It'ain't over but it almost is. Personally I believe the race ended the minute Kalonzo opened his mouth....but hey, I tend to be big on conspiracies. This "too close to call" mantra has been too predominant since Dubyah pipped Gore to the post thanks to hanging chads & all. Sadly, it seems we are expected to buy it, election cycle after election cycle; in different countries across the globe. I say give a few more minutes/hours for the inevitable to be declared. THERE WILL BE NO SECOND ROUND... if that comes to pass the celebration will start before midnight today. the inauguration of the President and Vice President will follow. and then the 1st group of ICC indictees, led by our Vice President will go to Hague and hopefully stay there for a while (say 3 or more years) www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000078908&story_title=Kenya-Ruto,-Sang%E2%80%99s-case-pushed-to-May-28 thereafter the 2nd lot led by our President will follow in July and again will stay there for a longer while. let us celebrate their victory before the Night of the Long Knives or will we and the rest of the world entertain a Bashir re-incarnate? , I advise you to read OO's new thread on the US Media Conference & see how the Masters of the Universe speak amongst themselves in confidence. If those cases had no foundation, expect them to melt away. If I were Ruto & Uhuru I would cooperate with the court as long as a "we can't both be at The Hague at the same time" deal can be struck so as to avoid running the nation via Skype. Eventually, the charges will be quashed. The only downside of Uhuruto is they have succeeded in ushering in the Uhuru project that was rejected 11 years ago by the Kenyan people because no one wanted anything to do with Moi. This was thanks primarily to the whole ICC debacle. Now you have Gideon & his bro successfully winning their elective posts at the same time that a Uhuruto whitewash occurred in Baringo & Rongai? Hmmmm. Methinks the old order is laughing all the way to the next KE government  |
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Post by b6k on Mar 8, 2013 22:54:40 GMT 3
Let the truth be told, Raila slept on the job and the result is paid in cash. There are no miracles in politics you have to work hard to win votes and be pragmatic in the way you do things. Not to say uhuru is pragmatic either but he worked hard to get the votes. The difference is way too large to contest. Raila has only proved once again that he is unelectable. How do you lose to ICC indictees? At least he can rest assured an Uhuruto government will not grab his illegally grabbed Opoda farm ;D |
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Post by fimbo on Mar 8, 2013 23:30:27 GMT 3
As always, its not the voting or tallying that matters, but the announcing.
It took ~10 hours voting, ~ 5 hours counting and tallying
and 5 days to announce the razor thin 0.01 margin necessary for the win.
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Post by bob on Mar 8, 2013 23:50:01 GMT 3
Let the truth be told, Raila slept on the job and the result is paid in cash. There are no miracles in politics you have to work hard to win votes and be pragmatic in the way you do things. Not to say uhuru is pragmatic either but he worked hard to get the votes. The difference is way too large to contest. Raila has only proved once again that he is unelectable. How do you lose to ICC indictees? At least he can rest assured an Uhuruto government will not grab his illegally grabbed Opoda farm ;D Can you please read & listen to yourself? RAO is very electable across the board more than candidate. He was a hero when he campaigned for Kibaki along with others while undergoing treatment till he was crowned President, Why didn't Kenyans reject Kibaki on account that he was being campaigned for by Raila. Wacha madharau ya pesa nane & style up. |
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Post by fimbo on Mar 9, 2013 0:09:20 GMT 3
Do we have an automatic recount in Kenya?
After all the shenanigans...how can the elections be decided by a mere 0.5%
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Post by podp on Mar 9, 2013 0:22:09 GMT 3
Uhuru Kenyatta has stated repeatedly that he is both innocent and will cooperate with the court, but whether in fact the trial will proceed, as I've just said, it remains to be seen. www.cfr.org/kenya/media-conference-call-kenyas-elections/p30156if the future President keeps his word as quoted above we may have what the article above alludes to. Advocates argue that arrest warrants will marginalise perpetrators and pave the way for peace negotiations and liberal transitions. Instead, results from Kenya's elections suggest that ICC indictees Uhru Kenyatta and his running mate William Ruto have successfully used their arrest warrants to rally public sympathy, strengthen the loyalty from ethnic compatriots, and secure a victory at the ballot box. Since becoming the subject of an ICC arrest warrant, Sudan’s President Omar Bashir has been successfully re-elected to power, traveled extensively, and received steady support from his African Union allies. Meanwhile, the most immediate and devastating consequence of the ICC’s arrest warrant was that Bashir forced several leading international humanitarian NGOs out of the country for allegedly cooperating with the ICC. www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-110848/can-we-afford-forgive-atrocitiesAnd so I would expect a warmer relationship if Raila Odinga wins the presidency, but either case, American interests and Kenyan interests are aligned. There are mutual interests in working together, particularly on these major regional challenges, but also on the stability of Kenya itself. And so, no, I don't think that it was appropriate to warn of consequences when, in fact, state interests are rather clear about our need to work with Kenya to realize our own foreign policy objectives in the Eastern Horn of Africa. www.cfr.org/kenya/media-conference-call-kenyas-elections/p30156There will be awkwardness perhaps in the short term, but not the long. The other is the ICC itself. We could go on for hours on this. I'd simply say that whether or not the case holds up, it's been handled very badly. If there were to be trials, they should have been last year. And this would all have been over by now. that agrees also with the Europeans “The most important point is that the Kenyan government continues to co-operate with the International Criminal Court, an institution which it voluntarily signed up to. If those indicted by the ICC choose not to co-operate, then it is a legal matter for the Court, not us, to decide what happens next.” www.africareview.com/Special-Reports/ICC-are-allies-willing-to-dump-Kenya/-/979182/1696720/-/tmyuoh/-/index.htmlso state interests are definitely going to override individuals concerns, especially if those individuals are the President and Deputy President of a country. |
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Post by b6k on Mar 9, 2013 0:22:19 GMT 3
Raila has only proved once again that he is unelectable. How do you lose to ICC indictees? At least he can rest assured an Uhuruto government will not grab his illegally grabbed Opoda farm ;D Can you please read & listen to yourself? RAO is very electable across the board more than candidate. He was a hero when he campaigned for Kibaki along with others while undergoing treatment till he was crowned President, Why didn't Kenyans reject Kibaki on account that he was being campaigned for by Raila. Wacha madharau ya pesa nane & style up. Bummer! Looks like we won't hear the inevitable tonight. It is rather telling that the announcement has been moved to 11am tomorrow....by the time they are done reading probably high noon. Let's take this up tomorrow but even David Makali was hinting at Raila taking on an Elder Statesman of Africa role if he fails to clinch it tomorrow. Life must go on, Bob... |
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Post by podp on Mar 9, 2013 0:36:20 GMT 3
Podp, I advise you to read OO's new thread on the US Media Conference & see how the Masters of the Universe speak amongst themselves in confidence. If those cases had no foundation, expect them to melt away. If I were Ruto & Uhuru I would cooperate with the court as long as a "we can't both be at The Hague at the same time" deal can be struck so as to avoid running the nation via Skype. Eventually, the charges will be quashed. The only downside of Uhuruto is they have succeeded in ushering in the Uhuru project that was rejected 11 years ago by the Kenyan people because no one wanted anything to do with Moi. This was thanks primarily to the whole ICC debacle. Now you have Gideon & his bro successfully winning their elective posts at the same time that a Uhuruto whitewash occurred in Baringo & Rongai? Hmmmm. Methinks the old order is laughing all the way to the next KE government the sentence after the red high light is debatable! UhuRuto made becoming President their only focus to save themselves from spending a day in jail at the Hague. if they will remain cooperative remains to be seen but the stage is set for them to be fugitives. otherwise for the red high light a commentator on Ngugi's article said 'it is drawing a parallel between the emerging political class in Kenya and Western governments, in that they are both unduly influenced by corporations and form a self-serving elite. Typical of The Guardian to ignore the agency of Africans themselves in organising their own society. Anyway, it's refreshing to read an African describing how some calls of "imperialism" might not be all they appear.' www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/27/kenya-new-imperialists-corporate-greedMany Kenyans do not realise their voting in the same class of people that have been lying to them for the last 50 yrs. These elections are not about the people or the country but about who gets to control the nations wealth and who will continue to benefit in the future. The three leading parties all come from the same political tree and are but mere branches of a status quo that is not willing to accept other Kenyans sitting in the drivers seat. This is why an outsider such as Dida though not having much electoral support is opening the eyes to the electorate in ways civic education cannot otherwise do. It's called telling the truth and calling a spade a spade. Many of these rulers do not listen and they will learn the hard way because this arrogance they portray |
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Post by Ouali on Mar 9, 2013 1:01:37 GMT 3
Why can't we go the collegiate system as is done in the US when it commes to presidential elections. In this way we could avoid the long vote tallying that brings a whole country to standstill for close to one week.
Don't you think those who wrote our constitution could have been wiser than bring us this devil we have to face every five years. Most elections tallying at the consituency and counties went so well.
Maybe its time we rethink our presidential elections!
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 9, 2013 2:42:33 GMT 3
Kamwana squeaks through in round one with a buffer of more than 8K votes pending night long audit.
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Post by b6k on Mar 9, 2013 7:39:36 GMT 3
Kamwana squeaks through in round one with a buffer of more than 8K votes pending night long audit. I was inevitable. So much for making the announcement at 11AM.... |
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Post by b6k on Mar 9, 2013 7:48:16 GMT 3
Can you please read & listen to yourself? RAO is very electable across the board more than candidate. He was a hero when he campaigned for Kibaki along with others while undergoing treatment till he was crowned President, Why didn't Kenyans reject Kibaki on account that he was being campaigned for by Raila. Wacha madharau ya pesa nane & style up. Bummer! Looks like we won't hear the inevitable tonight. It is rather telling that the announcement has been moved to 11am tomorrow....by the time they are done reading probably high noon. Let's take this up tomorrow but even David Makali was hinting at Raila taking on an Elder Statesman of Africa role if he fails to clinch it tomorrow. Life must go on, Bob... are you there? Has Agwambo won? That he can be voted for has never been in doubt but has he been elected? Hiyo tu.... |
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Post by b6k on Mar 9, 2013 7:52:23 GMT 3
Podp, I advise you to read OO's new thread on the US Media Conference & see how the Masters of the Universe speak amongst themselves in confidence. If those cases had no foundation, expect them to melt away. If I were Ruto & Uhuru I would cooperate with the court as long as a "we can't both be at The Hague at the same time" deal can be struck so as to avoid running the nation via Skype. Eventually, the charges will be quashed. The only downside of Uhuruto is they have succeeded in ushering in the Uhuru project that was rejected 11 years ago by the Kenyan people because no one wanted anything to do with Moi. This was thanks primarily to the whole ICC debacle. Now you have Gideon & his bro successfully winning their elective posts at the same time that a Uhuruto whitewash occurred in Baringo & Rongai? Hmmmm. Methinks the old order is laughing all the way to the next KE government the sentence after the red high light is debatable! UhuRuto made becoming President their only focus to save themselves from spending a day in jail at the Hague. if they will remain cooperative remains to be seen but the stage is set for them to be fugitives. otherwise for the red high light a commentator on Ngugi's article said 'it is drawing a parallel between the emerging political class in Kenya and Western governments, in that they are both unduly influenced by corporations and form a self-serving elite. Typical of The Guardian to ignore the agency of Africans themselves in organising their own society. Anyway, it's refreshing to read an African describing how some calls of "imperialism" might not be all they appear.' www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/27/kenya-new-imperialists-corporate-greedMany Kenyans do not realise their voting in the same class of people that have been lying to them for the last 50 yrs. These elections are not about the people or the country but about who gets to control the nations wealth and who will continue to benefit in the future. The three leading parties all come from the same political tree and are but mere branches of a status quo that is not willing to accept other Kenyans sitting in the drivers seat. This is why an outsider such as Dida though not having much electoral support is opening the eyes to the electorate in ways civic education cannot otherwise do. It's called telling the truth and calling a spade a spade. Many of these rulers do not listen and they will learn the hard way because this arrogance they portray , you say my comment is debatable yet turn around & confirm that without the ICC the duo had nothing else to work for?  The Kenyan electorate has been emotionally duped into accepting what was unpalatable 11 years ago under the guise of a neo-colonialist conspiracy against Uhuruto... |
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Post by einstein on Mar 9, 2013 8:56:58 GMT 3
Bummer! Looks like we won't hear the inevitable tonight. It is rather telling that the announcement has been moved to 11am tomorrow....by the time they are done reading probably high noon. Let's take this up tomorrow but even David Makali was hinting at Raila taking on an Elder Statesman of Africa role if he fails to clinch it tomorrow. Life must go on, Bob... Oh my God!! |
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Post by Horth on Mar 9, 2013 9:11:08 GMT 3
According to the NY Times, Raila will not concede. Seems like too many unanswered questions about the tallying process. Honestly, some numbers don't make sense like some of the calculations. Anyway, let Mutunga find the truth, if he can. “Raila has no intention of conceding and will be challenging this in court,” said Salim Lone, the adviser to Mr. Odinga. “The level of the failures in the system makes it very difficult to believe it was a credible result, and if Uhuru is declared president, Raila will go to court.” Read more here. |
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Post by einstein on Mar 9, 2013 9:27:40 GMT 3
According to the NY Times, Raila will not concede. Seems like too many unanswered questions about the tallying process. Honestly, some numbers don't make sense like some of the calculations. Anyway, let Mutunga find the truth, if he can. “Raila has no intention of conceding and will be challenging this in court,” said Salim Lone, the adviser to Mr. Odinga. “The level of the failures in the system makes it very difficult to believe it was a credible result, and if Uhuru is declared president, Raila will go to court.” Read more here. Of course! What did you expect? The time for raping people over and over again without a complaint is over! They said "If you are unhappy, go to court". Please let Raila go to court if he is not happy!! |
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Post by podp on Mar 9, 2013 10:03:24 GMT 3
the sentence after the red high light is debatable! UhuRuto made becoming President their only focus to save themselves from spending a day in jail at the Hague. if they will remain cooperative remains to be seen but the stage is set for them to be fugitives. otherwise for the red high light a commentator on Ngugi's article said 'it is drawing a parallel between the emerging political class in Kenya and Western governments, in that they are both unduly influenced by corporations and form a self-serving elite. Typical of The Guardian to ignore the agency of Africans themselves in organising their own society. Anyway, it's refreshing to read an African describing how some calls of "imperialism" might not be all they appear.' www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/27/kenya-new-imperialists-corporate-greedMany Kenyans do not realise their voting in the same class of people that have been lying to them for the last 50 yrs. These elections are not about the people or the country but about who gets to control the nations wealth and who will continue to benefit in the future. The three leading parties all come from the same political tree and are but mere branches of a status quo that is not willing to accept other Kenyans sitting in the drivers seat. This is why an outsider such as Dida though not having much electoral support is opening the eyes to the electorate in ways civic education cannot otherwise do. It's called telling the truth and calling a spade a spade. Many of these rulers do not listen and they will learn the hard way because this arrogance they portray , you say my comment is debatable yet turn around & confirm that without the ICC the duo had nothing else to work for? The Kenyan electorate has been emotionally duped into accepting what was unpalatable 11 years ago under the guise of a neo-colonialist conspiracy against Uhuruto... let me say will re-visit this topic later after more re-flection |
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Post by mank on Mar 9, 2013 10:11:41 GMT 3
According to the NY Times, Raila will not concede. Seems like too many unanswered questions about the tallying process. Honestly, some numbers don't make sense like some of the calculations. Anyway, let Mutunga find the truth, if he can. “Raila has no intention of conceding and will be challenging this in court,” said Salim Lone, the adviser to Mr. Odinga. “The level of the failures in the system makes it very difficult to believe it was a credible result, and if Uhuru is declared president, Raila will go to court.” Read more here. What now? Annan time? |
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