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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2013 23:53:24 GMT 3
Nobody opposed to keithi's candidature has yet told us why they are so afraid of her. First they try to get her to be their candidate but unlike them some people actually have principles and will not roll with her father's enemies. Also, what happended to mutula kilonzo again? can mank or patriotism 101 or kamalet or mwalimumkuu, mouth pieces for jubilie on the web tell us? Then there is mama nightmare ngilu with her paws all over this. I told you before if you think the devil is some weird looking thing, you're wrong. The devil is here with us in human form.See even the reporters of this story are afraid to state their names. NGILU'S NARC TIPPED TNA ABOUT KETHI REGISTRATION
Wednesday, July 10, 2013 - 00:00 -- BY STAR TEAM
OVERTURES to Kethi Kilonzo from Lands Cabinet secretary Charity Ngilu's Narc party apparently led to her downfall. Narc officials subsequently tipped off TNA that there might be a problem with her registration.
As Kethi vacillated about whether to stand in the Makueni by-election, multiple sources said Ngilu was tasked by the Jubilee Alliance hierarchy to talk to Kethi and persuade her to run on a TNA ticket in the election to replace her late father Mutula Kilonzo.
However during the Narc discussions in the first week of June, Kethi reportedly hinted at her anomalous voter registration status.
"The Narc leadership was not sure whether Kethi had really said that she was registered or not but they were sure she had not voted. A team was then put in place to scrutinise the voter registers and see if her name was in it and that was the genesis of the TNA writing to IEBC," a source familiar with the intrigues said.
Initially even TNA still did not doubt that Kethi was registered because of her vigorous petition at the Supreme Court against the Jubilee presidential victory citing anomalies at the IEBC.
The TNA then approached Ukambani MPs proposing should run as an independent with the support of both side, if she did not agree to run on a Narc ticket.
However the Jubilee alliance decided to bring up the issue of her voter registration after she publicly declared that she "cannot work with her father's enemies."
The TNA director of legal affairs Jasper Mbiuki then wrote to the IEBC on June 24 complaining that Kethi was not a registered voter and did not qualify to run for the senate.
Mbiuki's letter of complain was adopted nearly word for word by former assistant minister Agnes Ndetei who was the main complainant in the case.
Initially Cord appeared confused on Kethi's voter registration status.First Cord said she had registered as a voter in Woodley, Langata constituency and not in Makueni.
URP's Fred Muteti and Narc's Fidelis Nguli then intensified the pressure with a second letter to the IEBC demanding that it should cancel Kethi's provisional nomination given by the IEBC on June 27.
Throughout all this, Kethi stayed silent but insisted that she was a properly registered voter. She did not contradict Wiper and Cord officials who declared she had registered as a voter at Woodley. The IEBC only commented that the truth would be known when Kethi presented her nomination papers.
During the IEBC tribunal last week, Kethi and her lawyers produced a voter registration acknowledgment slip indicating that she registered at Ngong Forest Primary School.
However the slip indicated that she registered as a voter on December 28, 2011 when the BVR kits were not even in the country.
The IEBC has now stated that the slip was stolen from the book used to register former President Kibaki and that a senior IEBC official is under investigation.
Yesterday, IEBC chairman Ahmed Issack Hassan said the CID was now investigating the theft and the IEBC would discuss the matter at a meeting tomorrow, Thursday.
"We do not wish to be dragged into this as Jubilee. Even Kethi herself knows, the right people to raise those issues is the IEBC," said new Narc leader Kiema Kalonzo speaking from London.
Yesterday, a visibly angry Wiper party leader Kalonzo Musyoka blamed Jubilee and the IEBC for Kethi's problems. He said the IEBC had become a puppet of the executive.
"They have perfected a fraudulent approach to elections. We cannot have this body running the elections in 2017. We are putting them on notice," Musyoka said.
Musyoka said Kethi was a "phenomenal woman" and Jubilee could not afford to mess with the youth, women and progressive forces.
"There can be a Kenyan spring out of this. The IEBC will not get away with this," Orengo said at a press conference attended by Cord leaders Daniel Maanzo, Johnstone Muthama, Otieno Kajwang, David Musila and Janet Ong'era.
They said barring Kethi from the Senate race was a declaration of a "major political war" against Cord. They said Jubilee "vehemently tried" all means possible to lure Kethi to run for on their ticket.
"The attempts did not bear fruits hence they resolved to frustrate her candidacy. Should she have accepted overtures by Agnes Ndetei, Jubilee's messenger, would she be going through this torture?" Musyoka asked.
Musyoka said TNA raised the issue of Kethi's registration before the IEBC realised. "This clearly shows that TNA is IEBC and IEBC is TNA. TNA must have tampered with the voter register hence deleting Kethi's name," Musyoka said.
They vowed to ensure that no leader is imposed on the people of Makueni and that Kethi's name is reinstated on the ballot.
Yesterday IEBC officially gazetted a four candidates for the Makueni election: Harun Mwau of PICK, Philip Kaloki of Narc, Jane Kitundu of LPK and independent candidate Urbanus Muthoka.
Yesterday, the Makueni county returning officer Salad Boru said that he cleared Kethi because he would have been in "big trouble" if she was registered in the two green books. He said he was racing against time as Kethi presented her papers at 2pm on the last day of nominations.
"I gave her the benefit of doubt. It was the best I could do given the circumstances," he explained. He said Kethi's documents looked authentic.www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-127513/ngilus-narc-tipped-tna-about-kethi-registration |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 2:35:08 GMT 3
How do these people know that keithi engaged in any illegalities? Let's hear the discredited IEBC/TNA's (nobody can tell the difference between the two) evidence in court. And just like the general elections, courts can rule against what is just and true. At one time the US supreme court upheld segregation as constitutional. Did that make their judgement right? History has since told us otherwise. keithi is a reluctant worrior. A worrior for the cause of the people of makueni and yes for all kenyans in as far as we should be able to vote for who the hell we please without sociopaths messing with the will of the poeple. But the paternalistic claim by jubilie that she has been coerced into running is pathetic and they can tell that to the birds. If she's as gullible as they claim, why couldn't they get her to run for them even after the elimination of her father? How comes? Cord coerced Kethi Kilonzo to contest Makueni by-election, says Jubilee Coalitionwww.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000088032&story_title=cord-coerced-kethi-kilonzo-to-contest-makueni-by-election-says-jubilee-coalition&pageNo=2 |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Jul 11, 2013 3:32:29 GMT 3
Omwenga,
The point we are making and one that you have refused to see is that, Kethi has failed miserably to prove to anyone that she actually registered as a voter somewhere in Lang'ata as she alleged. We shall give her another chance at the high court now that she has taken herself there. We shall be listening and watching.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Jul 11, 2013 3:37:44 GMT 3
How do these people know that keithi engaged in any illegalities? Let's hear the discredited IEBC/TNA's (nobody can tell the difference between the two) evidence in court. And just like the general elections, courts can rule against what is just and true. At one time the US supreme court upheld segregation as constitutional. Did that make their judgement right? History has since told us otherwise. keithi is a reluctant worrior. A worrior for the cause of the people of makueni and yes for all kenyans in as far as we should be able to vote for who the hell we please without sociopaths messing with the will of the poeple. But the paternalistic claim by jubilie that she has been coerced into running is pathetic and they can tell that to the birds. If she's as gullible as they claim, why couldn't they get her to run for them even after the elimination of her father? How comes? Cord coerced Kethi Kilonzo to contest Makueni by-election, says Jubilee Coalitionwww.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000088032&story_title=cord-coerced-kethi-kilonzo-to-contest-makueni-by-election-says-jubilee-coalition&pageNo=2 From what I have read and heard, no one fears Kethi the candidate (that should have been). But we all fear Kethi the conniving fraud. As regards your question above (red highlight), I posted this article here earlier: www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2013/07/tna-now-sets-legal-eyes-on-emotional-kalonzo/Read it, you will have an idea as to how it came to the knowledge of everyone except CORD and you that Kethi was not registered. ~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~ |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 4:09:06 GMT 3
How do these people know that keithi engaged in any illegalities? Let's hear the discredited IEBC/TNA's (nobody can tell the difference between the two) evidence in court. And just like the general elections, courts can rule against what is just and true. At one time the US supreme court upheld segregation as constitutional. Did that make their judgement right? History has since told us otherwise. keithi is a reluctant worrior. A worrior for the cause of the people of makueni and yes for all kenyans in as far as we should be able to vote for who the hell we please without sociopaths messing with the will of the poeple. But the paternalistic claim by jubilie that she has been coerced into running is pathetic and they can tell that to the birds. If she's as gullible as they claim, why couldn't they get her to run for them even after the elimination of her father? How comes? Cord coerced Kethi Kilonzo to contest Makueni by-election, says Jubilee Coalitionwww.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000088032&story_title=cord-coerced-kethi-kilonzo-to-contest-makueni-by-election-says-jubilee-coalition&pageNo=2 From what I have read and heard, no one fears Kethi the candidate (that should have been). But we all fear Kethi the conniving fraud. As regards your question above (red highlight), I posted this article here earlier: www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2013/07/tna-now-sets-legal-eyes-on-emotional-kalonzo/Read it, you will have an idea as to how it came to the knowledge of everyone except CORD and you that Kethi was not registered. ~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~ @nyumbakubwa[lucky you!] not convincing. IEBC can't even give us results from the general elections. TNA was over the top in trying to stop keithi. you all are afraid of her, i'm sure of it. Why? Have you found out what happened to her papa? let us know when you do. I hope he didn't kill himself like moi claimed ouko did. As for the article you cite, litigious threats, mysteriously dead opponents, kenyans have been there and done that for 50yrs of jubilie! threats, killings, threats and more killings. how comes @nyumbakubwa? |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Jul 11, 2013 4:59:47 GMT 3
Kathure,From what I have read and heard, no one fears Kethi the candidate (that should have been). But we all fear Kethi the conniving fraud. As regards your question above (red highlight), I posted this article here earlier: www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2013/07/tna-now-sets-legal-eyes-on-emotional-kalonzo/Read it, you will have an idea as to how it came to the knowledge of everyone except CORD and you that Kethi was not registered. ~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~ @nyumbakubwa[lucky you!] not convincing. IEBC can't even give us results from the general elections. TNA was over the top in trying to stop keithi. you all are afraid of her, i'm sure of it. Why? Have you found out what happened to her papa? let us know when you do. I hope he didn't kill himself like moi claimed ouko did. As for the article you cite, litigious threats, mysteriously dead opponents, kenyans have been there and done that for 50yrs of jubilie! threats, killings, threats and more killings. how comes @nyumbakubwa? What results are you waiting for IEBC to publish? I have heard this arguments around CORD groups and I ask which results. Don't we already have a president and his deputy in office? Governors and Senators, MPs and woman reps as well as county reps, all declared elected by IEBC and gazetted as such? As regards Kethi's papa, you bet I have no idea how he died. But I am aware that the family had a pathologist flown all the way from London to do the autopsy. If you ask Kethi, she may have good answers for you. I have, however, read in the papers that the poor guy might have gone down on the effects of some blue pill. Read it here: www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000086500~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~ |
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Post by patriotism101 on Jul 11, 2013 5:33:31 GMT 3
Somewhere in this thread, I raised doubts on Kethi's competence and her ability to understand and articulate issues. I was shouted down by the usual suspects. Kenyans are so much used to mediocre, average is considered stellar.
After the "we have the numbers according to my sources" debacle in the last general elections, mosquito in a tuxedo stories sound more plausible. Kethi should taste the consequences of this terrible misadventure. A full and fair investigation should be conducted by the Keriako Tobiko and a judge should decide her fate. If TNA is found culpable of deleting and inserting names, action should be taken.
This is beyond stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2013 2:05:57 GMT 3
@nyumbakubwa[lucky you!] not convincing. IEBC can't even give us results from the general elections. TNA was over the top in trying to stop keithi. you all are afraid of her, i'm sure of it. Why? Have you found out what happened to her papa? let us know when you do. I hope he didn't kill himself like moi claimed ouko did. As for the article you cite, litigious threats, mysteriously dead opponents, kenyans have been there and done that for 50yrs of jubilie! threats, killings, threats and more killings. how comes @nyumbakubwa? What results are you waiting for IEBC to publish? I have heard this arguments around CORD groups and I ask which results. Don't we already have a president and his deputy in office? Governors and Senators, MPs and woman reps as well as county reps, all declared elected by IEBC and gazetted as such? As regards Kethi's papa, you bet I have no idea how he died. But I am aware that the family had a pathologist flown all the way from London to do the autopsy. If you ask Kethi, she may have good answers for you. I have, however, read in the papers that the poor guy might have gone down on the effects of some blue pill. Read it here: www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000086500~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~ @nyumbakubwa everyone except those @nyumbakubwa know this, wait, they are in denial, they know it too: P.S. These are a couple of funny bits I heard that might be relevant here:
* Months after the elections, the IEBC still has not released a comprehensive set of results. Apparently, it is struggling to explain away a million+ votes!
* I am told that the Supreme Court ruled that one cannot determine voter registration simply by looking at this or that register. It appears that the IEBC has registers coming out its ears, and nobody knows which is which. But all perfectly legal!Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/posts/recent#ixzz2YmRykVKweven scum like hassan knows this: and this www.thepeoplescourt.co.ke/opinions/218-hassan-should-stop-chasing-shadows-and-release-pending-poll-vote-talliesand here allafrica.com/stories/201306191548.htmlas for mutula kilonzo's death, the article you've cited raises questions and gives no answers. I thought since you're @nyumbakubwa you'd have answers for us. trust me no one thinks that he died of natural causes and neither did he die from viagra. he most likely went the way of Pio Gama Pinto, JM Kariuki, who else is on the list of murdered opponents. Lots and lots. like i've told you're friend kamalet, pass the chalice, i too am a vampire and need to drink human blood for sustinance. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2013 6:27:25 GMT 3
Somewhere in this thread, I raised doubts on Kethi's competence and her ability to understand and articulate issues. I was shouted down by the usual suspects. Kenyans are so much used to mediocre, average is considered stellar. After the "we have the numbers according to my sources" debacle in the last general elections, mosquito in a tuxedo stories sound more plausible. Kethi should taste the consequences of this terrible misadventure. A full and fair investigation should be conducted by the Keriako Tobiko and a judge should decide her fate. If TNA is found culpable of deleting and inserting names, action should be taken. This is beyond stupid. Senti 5 You're dying to finish her off. If it wasn't so obvious, you'd send her the way of her father. You started this thread, give us one coherent reason why she shouldn't run. The ones you've given so far are bullshit. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2013 6:31:08 GMT 3
IEBC was prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner in the Kethi Kilonzo case By MAINA KIAI Posted Friday, July 12 2013 at 18:51 The decision by the electoral commission to disqualify Kethi Kilonzo from contesting the Makueni Senate seat was not unexpected to discerning observers, for the IEBC was prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner. Since 2012, the IEBC has swayed to the tune of the powers that be, making decisions that benefit those in power. Remember the controversy on the election date, where the IEBC went with March as the powerful wanted? Or the BVR tender and issue, where IEBC got itself into a downright mess, then announced it was not going to use BVR before reversing itself as the Executive demanded? Ultimately, the IEBC got what it wanted as the entire voting ended up being manual despite the billions spent. And guess what? No one has ever been held accountable for this waste despite the Mutunga court’s half-hearted order for investigations, which was promptly ignored. Then there was the issue of the diaspora vote that the IEBC eventually abandoned after spending millions travelling the world, raising the hopes of Kenyans out there. This January, the IEBC, rightly, at first refused to allow extension of nomination deadlines as requested by ODM prior to the massively flawed nominations. But when TNA got itself into a mess over this, IEBC quickly shifted its deadlines, announced in December! The two parties chose to do their nominations just before that deadline. One of the most serious failures remains the fact that four months after the elections, we still do not have official results of ALL the elections. Something badly stinks here. Heck, Samuel Kivuitu was sacrificed for less, and it is amazing that the IEBC continues to function as though there is nothing wrong. There is a fatigue around reforms given how little positive change has emerged within the Executive, Legislature and the Supreme Court (some High Court judges, to their credit, have internalised the demands of the Constitution). Indeed, “business as usual” perhaps best describes Kenya after elections that were supposed to set us on a new path. It was not surprising, thus, that rather than focus on its failures around registration, the IEBC tribunal turned the heat on Kethi to prove that she was a registered voter! It is the IEBC that registers voters and they should bear the burden of showing how someone with an acknowledgement slip does not appear in any of the multiple ever-increasing registers. And is it not strange that the IEBC always seems to reveal a new secret each time it is questioned, yet it is supposed to enshrine transparency? It was the Green Book during the petitions, and now it is an exclusive registration book for President Kibaki! On March 4, accredited observers InformAction came across five voters who had acknowledgment slips or SMSes from IEBC, but could not find their names in any register and did not vote. I am certain there are many more such cases and I appeal to anyone similarly affected to send the details to evidence@thepeoplescourt.co.ke as soon as possible. What makes this messier is that Kethi was told that her options were to stand on a Jubilee ticket, or nothing! At the hearings, Kethi had to demand to be heard as the tribunal sought to limit her lawyer’s time. This, when the IEBC lawyer bent over backwards to agree with TNA rather than explain why the returning officer issued a nomination certificate, and why Kethi had gotten an acknowledgement slip. The whole proceedings looked like a set-up from the get-go, with new revelations of theft of documents that surprised the chairperson. The IEBC continues to benefit from its own wilful incompetence. No one knows for sure who is registered, and in what book or system. No one knows who voted where, and how there could be a gap of a million votes, more or less, between the presidential and other positions. What is clear is that the IEBC bungled the registration, verification and counting. But it is looking less about incompetence and more about mal-fides. IEBC’s continued mockery of the ‘Independent” in its title, will bring us more troubles than we need in the coming years. mkiai2000@yahoo.com www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/-/440808/1913082/-/j2894mz/-/index.html |
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Post by mank on Jul 13, 2013 7:41:49 GMT 3
IEBC was prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner in the Kethi Kilonzo case By MAINA KIAI Posted Friday, July 12 2013 at 18:51 The decision by the electoral commission to disqualify Kethi Kilonzo from contesting the Makueni Senate seat was not unexpected to discerning observers, for the IEBC was prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner. ... Well, of course to anyone who knew that she was not a registered voter it would not have been unexpected. Until she started yeaka...yeaking and betraying her hypocrisy I thought she for sure was the senator in waiting for Makueni. So let's quit the nonsensical blame game. No one but Kethi herself revealed that she was not a registered voter, and therefore she's not qualified to be a candidate for public office. IEBC has enough faults of its own, it does not need to be burdened with those of a woman who just months past did not care that the nation was in election mode, and is just caught trying to make up a history on prompt. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2013 8:28:27 GMT 3
IEBC was prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner in the Kethi Kilonzo case By MAINA KIAI Posted Friday, July 12 2013 at 18:51 The decision by the electoral commission to disqualify Kethi Kilonzo from contesting the Makueni Senate seat was not unexpected to discerning observers, for the IEBC was prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner. ... Well, of course to anyone who knew that she was not a registered voter it would not have been unexpected. Until she started yeaka...yeaking and betraying her hypocrisy I thought she for sure was the senator in waiting for Makueni. So let's quit the nonsensical blame game. No one but Kethi herself revealed that she was not a registered voter, and therefore she's not qualified to be a candidate for public office. IEBC has enough faults of its own, it does not need to be burdened with those of a woman who just months past did not care that the nation was in election mode, and is just caught trying to make up a history on prompt. You're a know mouthpiece for jubilie. Respond piece by piece to the issues raised by Kiai about the theifing, lying and I'll add evil ways of IEBC/TNA . And you rubbish the legacy of Dedan Kimathi. Do you think that if he were alive today he'd stand for uhuruto's crap? They'd have killed him and you'd have cheered them on. And don't tell us about how you come from a mau mau family because even the great demon of Zimbabwe Mugabe was once a freedom fighter. |
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Post by jakaswanga on Jul 13, 2013 9:19:10 GMT 3
Dear Kethi, .............. I have read in the press and on various blogs that you are under a lot of pressure to inherit the makueni county senatorial seat, formerly held by your Father. ----------------- Finally and more fundamentally, by giving in to the "pressure", you will be locking out people who are well qualified to run for this office but Have great week, Senti 5 Yo! Patriotism! When you wrote to Kethi Kilonzo and went on to conclude .... I sat back and wondered two things: 1. Were you privy to a certain info, which you thought could later explode on the surface and embarass the girl Kethi? or 2. Had the Gods sent you a premonition, using, as once the case was with out administrator Onyango Oloo, a future-foretelling ethereal subtereanean being that dances floatingly to sukuti and chakacha power-packed drumming, such that you had a foreboding of the doom and gloom which has now come to pass? Incase of non of the above, I will conclude it was an instinctive flash of insight, the kind of 'for sooths' that tend toward prophecies. It is not for nothing that I am this late [page 5] 2nd entry to this thread, yet I have avidly read the exchanges here. You see after being enchanted by Kethi in the famous petition where she gave a goddess-like performance, I inquired from the LSK, which OTHER CASES ON BEHALF OF WANJIKU had she fought with such an agility. Was she known to 'have an opinion' about the early phase of her father's career, where the man excelled in service to Daniel Arap Moi, then a monster running a barbarian regime of murder and torture. You had used the word 'coerce' to define the intense lobbying pile at her doorstep. That seemed to imply a deep reservation on her part to rise up to it, more than could be explained by 'mere shyness' or playing 'hard to get'. So I decided to wait for something to happen which could shed light on her state of mind. Or something to happen which could blow your 'premise' or thesis to smithereens. To date I think you have been vindicated, in the sense that it appears something was troubling her conscience ... perhaps she had not voted? not even for her father? perhaps behind the scenes she despised him for being a pedophile ...? ... and did not want to be saddled with 'carrying on with his legacy or mantle in Makueni' which may have other darker tones (like a serial abuser!) With the formidable intelligence and moral aptitude Kethi had paraded before CJ Mutunga, and the earlier rejection [before a DNA test] of the child of the [the then under age] herdsman's daughter, she had to have entered what was once called a 'spagia'. That is a contradiction between the private personna and the public image which is percieved by ones conscience as disturbing. It has to lead to mental lapses in the highly intelligent.But psychopaths have totally no problem with 'spagia'. That is why they make the best politicians. They have no internal conception of hypocrisy. Watching Kethi nearly self-destruct before the panel ---did not know the road to her polling station, I could not help thinking: is she wants a career in politics now, she has to internalise the technologies of 'pathological liars'! I sympathise with her, because I think she went too early to swim with the sharks. She is caught in the historical current of an Odinga-Kenyatta tarbulence, she does not wisen up on the dot, she be a meal. She should take her fate in her own hands now. She has the aptitude. Her best weapons are her brains and articulateness, and she should go to swim with Wanjiku for all measures. That is how she captured national imagination in the first case. If she has character and real survival instincts, that is the direction she will choose. Her salvation. The alternative is of course surrender, and a parley with Uhuruto behind the scenes. Sue for peace, our ' temporarily disappeared' Nereah wa Amadi --Yaye Yuora ilalna kanye  ! would say. NB: He, Patriotism, I know you have forgotten, but we once had an exchange in which you introduced an intriguing 'moral criticism' into the debate. It was an angle I had not considered. When you wrote this 'personal' to Kethi, I decided to read it with the sensibilities of a man lost in a mine-field, and bent on living to tell the tale! You catch?  |
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Post by mank on Jul 13, 2013 16:09:24 GMT 3
Well, of course to anyone who knew that she was not a registered voter it would not have been unexpected. Until she started yeaka...yeaking and betraying her hypocrisy I thought she for sure was the senator in waiting for Makueni. So let's quit the nonsensical blame game. No one but Kethi herself revealed that she was not a registered voter, and therefore she's not qualified to be a candidate for public office. IEBC has enough faults of its own, it does not need to be burdened with those of a woman who just months past did not care that the nation was in election mode, and is just caught trying to make up a history on prompt. You're a know mouthpiece for jubilie. Respond piece by piece to the issues raised by Kiai about the theifing, lying and I'll add evil ways of IEBC/TNA . And you rubbish the legacy of Dedan Kimathi. Do you think that if he were alive today he'd stand for uhuruto's crap? They'd have killed him and you'd have cheered them on. And don't tell us about how you come from a mau mau family because even the great demon of Zimbabwe Mugabe was once a freedom fighter. , Do you feel entitled to your reckless slander of me just because you are a moderator, or on what account do you get that privilege? Who else knows me as a "mouthpiece for jubilie"? How would you justify that characterization of me? I ask that you justify it. I thought we were discussing Kethi Kilonzo's candidature. Why must I respond piece by piece to Kiai's issues? What makes Kiai the authority over this thread so suddenly, around whose assertions we must discuss? I choose to discuss Kethi's situation from the vantage point of my knowledge, not the one Kiai fronts. I always prefer to discuss issues in the way I know them, not in the way Kathure or anyone else wants them discussed. I know Kethi's situation from the very public exchange that has taken place recently. How is Uhuruto crap a factor in Kethi's own memory of where she registered as a voter or where she voted? If you only want to discuss Kiai's issues, you better get in touch with him. On Jukwaa we each bring our view points. We don't get tethered to Kathure's "cut and pastes." I suggest you educate yourself on how to discuss issues and cease personal irritations in every thread. In this one you have overstepped your usual nuisance persona. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2013 23:03:32 GMT 3
"As regards Kethi's papa, you bet I have no idea how he died. But I am aware that the family had a pathologist flown all the way from London to do the autopsy. If you ask Kethi, she may have good answers for you. I have, however, read in the papers that the poor guy might have gone down on the effects of some blue pill. Read it here: www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000086500~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~" Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/user/159/recent#ixzz2YxQKTEg9@bighouse the threats that led up to the "mysterious" death of mutula kilonzo started kitambo, Lakini si kitambo sana. Let me refresh you memory before you tell us of viagra. |
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Post by patriotism101 on Jul 15, 2013 5:00:47 GMT 3
Dear Kethi, .............. I have read in the press and on various blogs that you are under a lot of pressure to inherit the makueni county senatorial seat, formerly held by your Father. ----------------- Finally and more fundamentally, by giving in to the "pressure", you will be locking out people who are well qualified to run for this office but Have great week, Senti 5 Yo! Patriotism! When you wrote to Kethi Kilonzo and went on to conclude .... I sat back and wondered two things: 1. Were you privy to a certain info, which you thought could later explode on the surface and embarass the girl Kethi? or 2. Had the Gods sent you a premonition, using, as once the case was with out administrator Onyango Oloo, a future-foretelling ethereal subtereanean being that dances floatingly to sukuti and chakacha power-packed drumming, such that you had a foreboding of the doom and gloom which has now come to pass? Incase of non of the above, I will conclude it was an instinctive flash of insight, the kind of 'for sooths' that tend toward prophecies. It is not for nothing that I am this late [page 5] 2nd entry to this thread, yet I have avidly read the exchanges here. You see after being enchanted by Kethi in the famous petition where she gave a goddess-like performance, I inquired from the LSK, which OTHER CASES ON BEHALF OF WANJIKU had she fought with such an agility. Was she known to 'have an opinion' about the early phase of her father's career, where the man excelled in service to Daniel Arap Moi, then a monster running a barbarian regime of murder and torture. You had used the word 'coerce' to define the intense lobbying pile at her doorstep. That seemed to imply a deep reservation on her part to rise up to it, more than could be explained by 'mere shyness' or playing 'hard to get'. So I decided to wait for something to happen which could shed light on her state of mind. Or something to happen which could blow your 'premise' or thesis to smithereens. To date I think you have been vindicated, in the sense that it appears something was troubling her conscience ... perhaps she had not voted? not even for her father? perhaps behind the scenes she despised him for being a pedophile ...? ... and did not want to be saddled with 'carrying on with his legacy or mantle in Makueni' which may have other darker tones (like a serial abuser!) With the formidable intelligence and moral aptitude Kethi had paraded before CJ Mutunga, and the earlier rejection [before a DNA test] of the child of the [the then under age] herdsman's daughter, she had to have entered what was once called a 'spagia'. That is a contradiction between the private personna and the public image which is percieved by ones conscience as disturbing. It has to lead to mental lapses in the highly intelligent.But psychopaths have totally no problem with 'spagia'. That is why they make the best politicians. They have no internal conception of hypocrisy. Watching Kethi nearly self-destruct before the panel ---did not know the road to her polling station, I could not help thinking: is she wants a career in politics now, she has to internalise the technologies of 'pathological liars'! I sympathise with her, because I think she went too early to swim with the sharks. She is caught in the historical current of an Odinga-Kenyatta tarbulence, she does not wisen up on the dot, she be a meal. She should take her fate in her own hands now. She has the aptitude. Her best weapons are her brains and articulateness, and she should go to swim with Wanjiku for all measures. That is how she captured national imagination in the first case. If she has character and real survival instincts, that is the direction she will choose. Her salvation. The alternative is of course surrender, and a parley with Uhuruto behind the scenes. Sue for peace, our ' temporarily disappeared' Nereah wa Amadi --Yaye Yuora ilalna kanye ! would say. NB: He, Patriotism, I know you have forgotten, but we once had an exchange in which you introduced an intriguing 'moral criticism' into the debate. It was an angle I had not considered. When you wrote this 'personal' to Kethi, I decided to read it with the sensibilities of a man lost in a mine-field, and bent on living to tell the tale! You catch? Jakaswanga, Let's just say that I had a one on one with my great Kakrungu soothsayer! Nice piece on patriot Mutai. Senti 5 |
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Post by Omwenga on Jul 17, 2013 7:30:50 GMT 3
There is no doubt in anyone’s mind who’s serious and objective that Justice Isaac Lenaola would have made a superb Chief Justice far much better than Mutunga. That having not happened, we’re still lucky to have him and a few others like him at the bench for as I have previously stared, it’s justices like Lenaola who’ll save the court from the embarrassing and intellectually shallow decision in the Raila and AfriCog petitions which unavoidably equally badly reflects on the judiciary as a whole in as far as its image as one undergoing reform is concerned. It’s significant that, while asking the Supreme Court to appoint a panel to hear Kethi Kilonzo’s appeal, Justice Lenaola asked not to be appointed to the panel. I have my suspicion as to why let me just say it goes to show the justice’s foresight and Solomonic wisdom which augers well with his formidable intellectualism. Wise move, Justice. Now, is there any significance to the fact that CJ Mutunga appointed a panel from Jubilee stronghold to hear Kethi’s case? Let’s all give them the benefit of doubt and condemn them only if they give us reason to remove the doubt. |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Jul 17, 2013 9:24:17 GMT 3
There is no doubt in anyone’s mind who’s serious and objective that Justice Isaac Lenaola would have made a superb Chief Justice far much better than Mutunga. That having not happened, we’re still lucky to have him and a few others like him at the bench for as I have previously stared, it’s justices like Lenaola who’ll save the court from the embarrassing and intellectually shallow decision in the Raila and AfriCog petitions which unavoidably equally badly reflects on the judiciary as a whole in as far as its image as one undergoing reform is concerned. It’s significant that, while asking the Supreme Court to appoint a panel to hear Kethi Kilonzo’s appeal, Justice Lenaola asked not to be appointed to the panel. I have my suspicion as to why let me just say it goes to show the justice’s foresight and Solomonic wisdom which augers well with his formidable intellectualism. Wise move, Justice. Now, is there any significance to the fact that CJ Mutunga appointed a panel from Jubilee stronghold to hear Kethi’s case? Let’s all give them the benefit of doubt and condemn them only if they give us reason to remove the doubt. Not quite. Whereas I agree that Justice Lenaola is one of the many fantastic justices we have (I hope not simply because he is yet to preside over a petition involving CORD and ruled against them), I think by recusing himself from this case, the good justice acted in good faith and not what you are imaging. Being a friend of Kethi (his own words), and having followed the proceedings at the IEBC tribunal, he knows the woman's goose is as good as cooked, and never wanted to sit on a bench that will confirm the same to the clueless Kethi on Friday. You see Omwenga, Kethi at this juncture needs sympathy and prayers, many of her friends and family do not understand how she came to where she is now and whether she understands where she is headed. It is a pity my brother, what the CORD octogenarians have done to this young lad. ~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~ |
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Post by mank on Jul 17, 2013 14:40:01 GMT 3
There is no doubt in anyone’s mind who’s serious and objective that Justice Isaac Lenaola would have made a superb Chief Justice far much better than Mutunga. That having not happened, we’re still lucky to have him and a few others like him at the bench for as I have previously stared, it’s justices like Lenaola who’ll save the court from the embarrassing and intellectually shallow decision in the Raila and AfriCog petitions which unavoidably equally badly reflects on the judiciary as a whole in as far as its image as one undergoing reform is concerned. It’s significant that, while asking the Supreme Court to appoint a panel to hear Kethi Kilonzo’s appeal, Justice Lenaola asked not to be appointed to the panel. I have my suspicion as to why let me just say it goes to show the justice’s foresight and Solomonic wisdom which augers well with his formidable intellectualism. Wise move, Justice. Now, is there any significance to the fact that CJ Mutunga appointed a panel from Jubilee stronghold to hear Kethi’s case? Let’s all give them the benefit of doubt and condemn them only if they give us reason to remove the doubt. Not quite. Whereas I agree that Justice Lenaola is one of the many fantastic justices we have (I hope not simply because he is yet to preside over a petition involving CORD and ruled against them), I think by recusing himself from this case, the good justice acted in good faith and not what you are imaging. Being a friend of Kethi (his own words), and having followed the proceedings at the IEBC tribunal, he knows the woman's goose is as good as cooked, and never wanted to sit on a bench that will confirm the same to the clueless Kethi on Friday. You see Omwenga, Kethi at this juncture needs sympathy and prayers, many of her friends and family do not understand how she came to where she is now and whether she understands where she is headed. It is a pity my brother, what the CORD octogenarians have done to this young lad. ~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~ Good people, I don't know Justice Lenaola from Justice Mutunga. But it was here on Jukwaa that I was first introduced to the solomonic qualities of Justice Mutunga. Yet, if I still have to rely on Jukwaa for the grading of justices, those qualities are no more for Justice Mutunga. He was stripped of that prestige quite a while back. Now in his place brother Omwenga is making a case for Lenaola. Incidentally, in my view, what distinguishes the two justices is that J. Lenaola now stands where Justice Mutunga was when the latter was the "promised one." Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa said it well, but I will repeat - he's yet to preside over a case involving (and rule against) CORD. So I take Omwenga's exaltation of the promise in Justice Lenaola with caution. All I am saying, brother Omwenga, is that it is puzzling, the world view that you and other CORD hardliners project. It is a world view in which people (and institutions) are great when they (or their deeds) are in CORD's favor, and lower then the envelop (in ol' Ntimama's lingo) otherwise. It's an alarming world view. Just think about people like Kalonzo Musyoka. If you look through threads on Jukwaa you might think that we once had one person by that name, very different from the one we have now. He used to be a pathetic "kolooza" and "pitia kati kati" then. He's since gone through some form of cleansing - that which being on CORD's good book seems to be. He's the same Kalonzo. I need not repeat the illustration with Justice Mutunga. |
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Post by Omwenga on Jul 18, 2013 19:19:46 GMT 3
Not quite. Whereas I agree that Justice Lenaola is one of the many fantastic justices we have (I hope not simply because he is yet to preside over a petition involving CORD and ruled against them), I think by recusing himself from this case, the good justice acted in good faith and not what you are imaging. Being a friend of Kethi (his own words), and having followed the proceedings at the IEBC tribunal, he knows the woman's goose is as good as cooked, and never wanted to sit on a bench that will confirm the same to the clueless Kethi on Friday. You see Omwenga, Kethi at this juncture needs sympathy and prayers, many of her friends and family do not understand how she came to where she is now and whether she understands where she is headed. It is a pity my brother, what the CORD octogenarians have done to this young lad. ~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~
Eti numba kubwa Mwalimumkuu? Hehehehe. I just saw that if I go by my late uncle Senior Chief Mathayo Ratemo and his 10 wives, it's the small houses that had the last laugh with his wealth and glory days, not nyumba kubwa (read the dominant house). But I digress. I have said this elsewhere but I cut and paste here because it's apt to do so: If there is one judge in Kenya whose integrity is unassailable, it's Justice Lenaola... As I said, I am and let's all give the panel the benefit of doubt but condemn them only if necessary. I have previously said I can see this case being ruled on either way--the key is how or why. I for one look to the legal analysis for the answer. If it's a decision based on legally sound reasons, then you'll see me agreeing with it; if it's one based on none or is otherwise intellectually shallow as the one we got from the Supreme Court, then you'll see me point that out. It therefore doesn't follow that I'll condemn a decision or court merely because a decision is against Raila or Cord as than would be shallow and naive neither of which I am as you would agree. |
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Post by Omwenga on Jul 18, 2013 19:25:59 GMT 3
I don't know Justice Lenaola from Justice Mutunga. But it was here on Jukwaa that I was first introduced to the solomonic qualities of Justice Mutunga. Yet, if I still have to rely on Jukwaa for the grading of justices, those qualities are no more for Justice Mutunga. He was stripped of that prestige quite a while back. Now in his place brother Omwenga is making a case for Lenaola. Incidentally, in my view, what distinguishes the two justices is that J. Lenaola now stands where Justice Mutunga was when the latter was the "promised one." Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa said it well, but I will repeat - he's yet to preside over a case involving (and rule against) CORD. So I take Omwenga's exaltation of the promise in Justice Lenaola with caution. All I am saying, brother Omwenga, is that it is puzzling, the world view that you and other CORD hardliners project. It is a world view in which people (and institutions) are great when they (or their deeds) are in CORD's favor, and lower then the envelop (in ol' Ntimama's lingo) otherwise. It's an alarming world view. Just think about people like Kalonzo Musyoka. If you look through threads on Jukwaa you might think that we once had one person by that name, very different from the one we have now. He used to be a pathetic "kolooza" and "pitia kati kati" then. He's since gone through some form of cleansing - that which being on CORD's good book seems to be. He's the same Kalonzo. I need not repeat the illustration with Justice Mutunga. I hope you've seen my response to Mwalimumkuu as it responds to your fundamental charge here, which is wrong that our view is that institutions are great if they favor Cord; far from it. All we ask, is that they follow the law, not scuttle it when it's convenient or against individual interests in violation of their oath of office. |
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Post by omundustrong on Jul 18, 2013 21:00:43 GMT 3
The Kethi Kilonzo fiasco has all the hallmarks of amateur theft or murder that leaves a smoking gun in its wake.However much we sugarcoat it the facts are clear.I slip was stolen,filled by a conman who laughed all the way to the bank at the gullibility of the purchasers of the slip.An innocent bright young lawyer was then handed the stolen loot and told that everything had been taken care of.Innocent because she didnt do any due diligence to confirm that all the leads had been covered.
The mandarins who should have been in court were there on the sidelines grinning like cheshirecats not our very own venerable Cheshirecat!Iam saying gullibility because the purchasers never bothered to ensure that all trails had been covered.Now tommorow we have a verdict that can only exonerate Kethi on a technicality otherwise even my grandmother is able to give a verdict on this.
My frustration with the political honchos who could not do a decent job of such simplicity that did not require so much wasted energy and resources.Makueni was for Wiper's taking even if they nominated a goat,but my coalition had to go for working hard instead of smart.
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Post by OtishOtish on Jul 19, 2013 2:10:22 GMT 3
Willy Mutunga is a good man and the best Chief Justice that Kenya has ever had. It is a pity that many cannot see that. The Kenyan judiciary is still a bit of a joke, and Mutunga himself can sometimes be a funny guy, but he has done a great deal to lift the institution out of the gutter.
Grade: "B+. Tries hard. Generally plays well with others. Room for improvement."
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Post by kamalet on Jul 19, 2013 12:43:43 GMT 3
Poor Girl has been done in by her political naivety.
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! would say.
