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Post by patriotism101 on May 26, 2013 21:30:55 GMT 3
Dear Kethi,
First accept my belated condolences on the demise of your Dad. Although I was never a fan, I salute
him for being on the right side of history before his sudden death.
I have read in the press and on various blogs that you are under a lot of pressure to inherit the
makueni county senatorial seat, formerly held by your Father. According to the family spokesperson
one Jere Muthembwa,your family has settled on you to carry the mantle and "finish" the projects your
father started as the Makueni county senator. When he started these projects or why someone else cannot
finish them is a mystery to me.
The fact that you are being "coerced" to vie for this seat implies that your conscience is foggy as to
whether this is the right thing to do. To give in to such pressure is tantamount to committing a fraud
on the people of Makueni county. This will be against the principles you stood for in court that day you
ordered Mdomo Ngatia to sit down at the Supreme Court and Kenyans thought that was brilliant. Kenyans
responded to your firmness, they thought you are principled, they thought you were your own woman, they
adored you. Nobody cared whether you were the daughter of a former Minister or Senator- they connected
with you and thought you represented their interests.
I don't want to be harsh on you or your family, neither am I suspected drug lord Mwau's blogger for hire.
But there are three reasons why I will dissuade you from running for this office:-
First, the fact that you are being pressured as reported in the media, indicates that your conscience tells
you this is not the right thing to do. Your passion metrics to serve the people of Makueni is out of whack
and it will be a disservice to the people of Kenya and specifically the Makueni residents to pretend to
represent them as their senator. To do so in my opinion will be to serve the interest of Muthama, wiper and
really be a pawn on the chess board of the ikullu power barons.
Secondly, the era of political office inheritance is over. It went with the Moi Kleptocracy. Kenyans are a
lot wiser and clever now to fall for half backed and not so well thought out political projects. It is up to
you if you want to be a Muthama project and be beholden to some deadwood for political survival. I believe
you have a unique opportunity to be your own person and chart your own political or private path. Unlike
Ahmed Nassir who think of you and river road in the same sentence, I think you in a journey for a greater
things and the sure way to throw it to the PIGS is to give in to the pressure to run for the Makueni county
senate seat. It will be sad if you are reduced to MPIG irrelevance and demanding deep massages from the male
members for equality's sake just because some hustlers are having many happy endings.
Finally and more fundamentally, by giving in to the "pressure", you will be locking out people who are well
qualified to run for this office but out of the respect to your culture, father and your family, they opt not
to run because a family decision has been reached and to run for them, will be disrespectful to the family and your late
father. This again, will negatively affect the people of Makueni and Kenya in general.
In conclusion, I hope you will follow your deeper conscience and do the right thing and stand by your principles.
Let this position be filled competitively and back the winning dog.
Have great week,
Senti 5
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Post by omundustrong on May 27, 2013 8:30:45 GMT 3
Patriotism 101,
That is a good piece,however,dont you think by asking her not to offer herself for the position you are infringing on her right of choice?She is an adult and should be able to appreciate the dynamics on the ground and if politics is her calling then there is no harm throwing her hat in the ring.
Whereas i support you on the issue of inheritance,if she decides to enter the murky waters of politics she will be prepared to face the consequences that come with the territory.From her performance in the court during the petition she seems able to give as much as she takes in the slugfest.So let the people of Makueni decide.
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Post by Omwenga on May 27, 2013 14:11:04 GMT 3
I read in passing about this race but paid no attention to it; thanks to this Open Letter I am now fully for Kethi to vie and will support her in every way possible.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2013 18:11:27 GMT 3
Patriotism 101
your piece hasnt made a case as to why Kethi Kilonzo shouldn't enter the race for Senator. Few current politicians have the big brains she's got. I don't know who Kethi has been ideologically, but surely she can't be any worse than the lot we've got got running the country. Or can she? You will agree that there are so so many dumb and dumber Mpigs, senators and other politicians that one must feel sorry for Kenya. Most of them are like the mayor here in Toronto. A Toronto Star journalist describes him and his brother in today's paper as "The incredible hulks of bluster and braggadocio a whole bunch of bombast signifying absolutely nothin except shallowness of character".
Your argument about inheritance and political power is one I agree with allbeit with this caveat. If a person who is a daughter or son of a politician makes their way into political life out of their own efforts; rather than getting a free ride because they are the offspring of so and so, then I haven't a problem with that. You say that Kenyans have matured and will not accept the inheritance of political offices. Well, regardless of the electronic rigging that went on @ last elections, there are many GEMA who voted for Kenyatta. These kenyans who you claim have matured, voted for a person like Kenyatta who has made his way in the world off of the backs of Kenyans in as far as he has access to resources which his father stole from Kenyans. Most ironic is that fact that he is using the same resources to put Kenyans through the wringer in fighting against charges he brought upon himself by getting involved in the massacring of people in order to secure political power. But that is another conversation I suppose.
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Post by patriotism101 on May 27, 2013 18:14:15 GMT 3
Patriotism 101, That is a good piece,however,dont you think by asking her not to offer herself for the position you are infringing on her right of choice?She is an adult and should be able to appreciate the dynamics on the ground and if politics is her calling then there is no harm throwing her hat in the ring. Whereas i support you on the issue of inheritance,if she decides to enter the murky waters of politics she will be prepared to face the consequences that come with the territory.From her performance in the court during the petition she seems able to give as much as she takes in the slugfest.So let the people of Makueni decide. Omundu, People have rights left right and center. Hustler has a right to get a massage, Millie has a right to demand the same, MPIGS have a right to demand $$$alary increases etc. Kethi has the right to go for the seat- but let that decision be hers not the family, ODM , Wiper, CORD (does this party still exist?) or any other " Makueni people requested me to vie to finish my dads projects" decisions. I find it strange that in the past such inheritance was frowned upon by progressives when it was from the other side of the isle- whether it was during the Moi error or as recent as the Kibaki's half loaf regime. So how can we criticize Moi for bequeathing Baringo Central seat to Gidi, or Kibaki handing over Nyeri Town to Jimmi and not be reviled when the family dictates to the people of Makueni who will represent them? Omundu, we know how this things work - once she is anointed, the certificate of nomination will be printed in her name even before the primaries- so don't give me the democratic process argument. Senti 5 |
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Post by patriotism101 on May 27, 2013 18:34:53 GMT 3
I read in passing about this race but paid no attention to it; thanks to this Open Letter I am now fully for Kethi to vie and will support her in every way possible. Omwenga, I told you eons ago that it is your type that give ODM/CORD a bad name. I will dig up that post to refresh your memory. We know which team you belong to. So any politician or any aspiring politician who takes your advise will lose. you are the quintessential yes man to the big man. Go a head and support/be behind Kethi- but it is your type I want to warn her about. I will leave it at that. Senti 5 |
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Post by patriotism101 on May 27, 2013 18:44:22 GMT 3
Patriotism 101 your piece hasnt made a case as to why Kethi Kilonzo shouldn't enter the race for Senator. Few current politicians have the big brains she's got. I don't know who Kethi has been ideologically, but surely she can't be any worse than the lot we've got got running the country. Or can she? You will agree that there are so so many dumb and dumber Mpigs, senators and other politicians that one must feel sorry for Kenya. Most of them are like the mayor here in Toronto. A Toronto Star journalist describes him and his brother in today's paper as "The incredible hulks of bluster and braggadocio a whole bunch of bombast signifying absolutely nothin except shallowness of character". Your argument about inheritance and political power is one I agree with allbeit with this caveat. If a person who is a daughter or son of a politician makes their way into political life out of their own efforts; rather than getting a free ride because they are the offspring of so and so, then I haven't a problem with that. You say that Kenyans have matured and will not accept the inheritance of political offices. Well, regardless of the electronic rigging that went on @ last elections, there are many GEMA who voted for Kenyatta. These kenyans who you claim have matured, voted for a person like Kenyatta who has made his way in the world off of the backs of Kenyans in as far as he has access to resources which his father stole from Kenyans. Most ironic is that fact that he is using the same resources to put Kenyans through the wringer in fighting against charges he brought upon himself by getting involved in the massacring of people in order to secure political power. But that is another conversation I suppose. Kathure, I guess I got carried away. Sometimes you want to believe so badly that Kenyans have matured politically then they hand you two jambazis as president and deputy. But lets give it to Kenyatta, he was his own man this time around, not Moi's or Kibakis project. That was the point I was trying to make. Senti 5 |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 2:02:02 GMT 3
Patriotism 101 your piece hasnt made a case as to why Kethi Kilonzo shouldn't enter the race for Senator. Few current politicians have the big brains she's got. I don't know who Kethi has been ideologically, but surely she can't be any worse than the lot we've got got running the country. Or can she? You will agree that there are so so many dumb and dumber Mpigs, senators and other politicians that one must feel sorry for Kenya. Most of them are like the mayor here in Toronto. A Toronto Star journalist describes him and his brother in today's paper as "The incredible hulks of bluster and braggadocio a whole bunch of bombast signifying absolutely nothin except shallowness of character". Your argument about inheritance and political power is one I agree with allbeit with this caveat. If a person who is a daughter or son of a politician makes their way into political life out of their own efforts; rather than getting a free ride because they are the offspring of so and so, then I haven't a problem with that. You say that Kenyans have matured and will not accept the inheritance of political offices. Well, regardless of the electronic rigging that went on @ last elections, there are many GEMA who voted for Kenyatta. These kenyans who you claim have matured, voted for a person like Kenyatta who has made his way in the world off of the backs of Kenyans in as far as he has access to resources which his father stole from Kenyans. Most ironic is that fact that he is using the same resources to put Kenyans through the wringer in fighting against charges he brought upon himself by getting involved in the massacring of people in order to secure political power. But that is another conversation I suppose. Kathure, I guess I got carried away. Sometimes you want to believe so badly that Kenyans have matured politically then they hand you two jambazis as president and deputy. But lets give it to Kenyatta, he was his own man this time around, not Moi's or Kibakis project. That was the point I was trying to make. Senti 5 wasn't Kenyatta trying to pull out of the presidential race? My understanding is that at some point he wanted to quit, but was previalled upon by the MK elites. Wasn't that what the fallout between Jubilee and Mudavadi was about? Anyways, I do not believe that kenyatta is his own man. I think that he will acquiesce to the wishes of wazee around him each and every time. |
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Post by patriotism101 on May 28, 2013 4:55:36 GMT 3
[/quote]wasn't Kenyatta trying to pull out of the presidential race? My understanding is that at some point he wanted to quit, but was previalled upon by the MK elites. Wasn't that what the fallout between Jubilee and Mudavadi was about? Anyways, I do not believe that kenyatta is his own man. I think that he will acquiesce to the wishes of wazee around him each and every time.
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Kathure,
It was the opposite- Jambazi could not trust anyone else with his life/ICC so he politely declined to give way to MADMAN. But that is beside my point. There are many projects Mtula Kilonzo started for the Makueni people, including siring a baby with a 16 year old girl.
There are many ways the family can finish these projects, including paying for the upkeep of these poor baby and the mother. Let the Makueni people decide who their senator is in a free and fair manner with out the CORD/WIPER higher-ups telling them who has been anointed for the job. If Kethi wants to join in the spoils (out of her own volition) so be it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2013 20:07:24 GMT 3
wasn't Kenyatta trying to pull out of the presidential race? My understanding is that at some point he wanted to quit, but was previalled upon by the MK elites. Wasn't that what the fallout between Jubilee and Mudavadi was about? Anyways, I do not believe that kenyatta is his own man. I think that he will acquiesce to the wishes of wazee around him each and every time. [/quote] Kathure, It was the opposite- Jambazi could not trust anyone else with his life/ICC so he politely declined to give way to MADMAN. But that is beside my point. There are many projects Mtula Kilonzo started for the Makueni people, including siring a baby with a 16 year old girl. There are many ways the family can finish these projects, including paying for the upkeep of these poor baby and the mother. Let the Makueni people decide who their senator is in a free and fair manner with out the CORD/WIPER higher-ups telling them who has been anointed for the job. If Kethi wants to join in the spoils (out of her own volition) so be it. Senti 5[/quote] All this has nothing to do with Kethi. Nduku Kilonzo, the late Mutula's wife as a person who controls his estate should be the one to reach out to the child and his mother. She should do the right thing and make sure that, that boy grows up as well as her own lovely sons have, with all of their material needs met. That would be the civilized, and mature thing to do. But from my own personal experience, and watching what usually happens in Kenya, I won't hold my breath for Nduku who felt the need to add at the funeral service that she only got together with Kilonzo after his divorce from Kethi's mother. I found that odd, wondered why she felt the need to say that. If one has a husband who goes around screwing pretty much anyone even teenagers, then their family will be stuck with the consequences for a long time even after they are gone. But, Mutula was only living la vida loca like Kenyan men are known to do. To find one who doesn't behave like so, is the exception not the rule.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2013 20:22:20 GMT 3
REALLY? GOOD GRIEF! FAMILIES, NEVER ENDING DRAMA, I SAY? OK MRS. KILONZO. SPLIT THAT VOTE, LET JUBILIE HAVE THEIR WAY WITH SAY THE IMFAMOUS HARUN JAMBAZI. The late Mutula’s widow Nduku Kilonzo joins race for Makueni senate seat
The late Mutula’s widow Nduku Kilonzo joins race for Makueni senate seat
Updated Sunday, June 9th 2013 at 20:15 GMT +3
Nduku Kilonzo, widow of the late Makueni Senator Mutula Kilonzo says she is in the race to succeed her husband.
By Victor Nzuma and Daniel Nzia
The late Makueni senator Mutula Kilonzo’s widow Nduku Kilonzo has joined the race to succeed her late husband.
She made the announcement in Machakos, after attending a memorial service for the late Machakos Catholic Bishop Urbanus Kioko which was also attended by President Uhuru Kenyatta.
Fielding questions from journalists she said; “Yes I confirm to you that I’m in the race.”
She however declined to name the party she will run on, promising to divulge that at a later date.
She also said Mutula’s daughter Kethi Kilonzo will not be running for the seat although we could not reach the lawyer for her comment.
Confusion reigned at the Machakos Golf club play grounds, over which party should field a candidate to replace late Kilonzo for the seat, as President Uhuru Kenyatta took off in an Airforce chopper.
Earlier, Lands Cabinet Secretary Charity Ngilu introduced the late senator's widow Nduku Kilonzo to the President sending signal that she would be preferred as a possible replacement for her husband.
The church congregation and the leaders who accompanied the President comprising some MPs from Machakos and Makueni counties cheered her up with some proposing her for the senatorial race on a jubilee ticket.
But the scenario changed shortly when MPs from Makueni county led by Kitonga Maanzo (Makueni constituency) and his Kaiti counterpart Mr Makenga, when they loudly protested the decision insisting that whoever will vie on the Wiper party ticket will carry the day.
The MPs who engaged in the debate soon after the President took off insisted that the Wiper party had already endorsed Kethi Kilonzo, and nobody else would succeed in the race on a different party ticket.
They said Makueni people had vowed not to let the seat go to any party other than Wiper and warned those trying to intrude on other parties that they stood to lose terribly.www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000085590&story_title=nduku-kilonzo-joins-race-for-makueni-senate-seat |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2013 20:31:06 GMT 3
Kethi Kilonzo:Get this, the ICC is not an enemy of the people
By Kethi Kilonzo
The discussion of post-election violence has become faceless. The society has forgotten (or wishes to forget) the victims.
During the mayhem there was systematic attack on Kenyans based on their ethnicity and political leanings. Attackers, organised along ethnic lines, assembled considerable logistical means and traveled long distances to burn houses, maim, kill and sexually assault their occupants because there were of particular ethnic groups and association.
“Guilty by association” was the guiding force behind deadly revenge attacks with victims being identified not for what they did but for their ethnic association.
The free for all was made possible by the lawlessness stemming from an apparent collapse of State institutions and forces. The international community with the African Union taking a lead responded to the post election violence instantly. From 8th to 10th January 2008 then AU Chairman John Kufuor, then President of Ghana, visited the country and initiated a mediation process between the Principals. After he left and with the blessings of the two Principals, the mediation process was taken over by a three member panel of eminent African personalities composed of three African icons: Former UN Secretary General Kofi Annan, former Mozambique Minister and First Lady Graca Machel and former President of Tanzania Benjamin Mkapa.
The Principals in the presence of the Panel launched the Kenya National Dialogue and Reconciliation and agreed on an Agenda Comprising four main items. The Waki Tribunal and its Report were the result of Agenda 4. The Waki Tribunal was formed and its report released under a written Agreement signed by the Principals.
The Waki Report recommended the creation of a special tribunal with the power to prosecute crimes committed as a result of PEV. It also recommended that if the option of a special tribunal failed, a list consisting of names of the persons bearing the greatest responsibility for the crimes committed during the PEV is forwarded to the Special Prosecutor of the ICC. This report’s findings and recommendations have never been challenged. The Special Tribunal was never created. The two Principals released the list prepared by the Waki Commission of persons bearing the greatest responsibility to the Special Prosecutor of the ICC through the Chair of the Panel, Kofi Annan.
Crime is a free willed choice. It occurs when the benefits of breaking the law outweigh the costs. It is prevalent when people pursue self-interest in the absence of effective punishment.
The ICC didn’t come to Kenya of its own motion. It was invited to Kenya by our elected representatives. We chose not to prosecute our own. Choices have consequences. ICC is not the first international tribunal at which persons accused of bearing the greatest responsibility for crimes against international law have been tried. The Nuremburg and Tokyo tribunals were the first.
They prosecuted persons who were primarily responsible for the atrocities committed during the Second World War. The process at the ICC is an embodiment of this principle. Justice for all humanity. As we vigorously debate about the ICC, and the African Union’s recent resolution on the Kenyan situation, perhaps we should spare a thought or two for the faceless victims of PEV. Are they entitled to justice? Have they obtained it.
ICC is not the enemy. It seeks in its own fashion under international law to grant faceless and helpless victims their day in court.
Most of them have been denied that platform in their own country.www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000085559&story_title=kethi-kilonzo-icc-is-not-an-enemy-of-the-people
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Post by patriotism101 on Jun 9, 2013 21:41:02 GMT 3
But, Mutula was only living la vida loca like Kenyan men are known to do. To find one who doesn't behave like so, is the exception not the rule.
But as you and everyone else has heard, Keithi is in this race and I say, yippe ki-yay![/b][/quote]
Kathure,
You mean Kenyan men and women are known to do? statistically, Kenyan men cannot be in this alone.
Just saying.
Obviously, Kethi has proved she has no principles and she was just talk at the SC. This is what is seriously wrong with my country Kenya. People just talk but when it is their turn to practice what they preach they give all manner of excuse- what a farce.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2013 3:23:21 GMT 3
But, Mutula was only living la vida loca like Kenyan men are known to do. To find one who doesn't behave like so, is the exception not the rule. But as you and everyone else has heard, Keithi is in this race and I say, yippe ki-yay! [/b][/quote] Kathure, You mean Kenyan men and women are known to do? statistically, Kenyan men cannot be in this alone. Just saying. Obviously, Kethi has proved she has no principles and she was just talk at the SC. This is what is seriously wrong with my country Kenya. People just talk but when it is their turn to practice what they preach they give all manner of excuse- what a farce. Senti 5[/quote] patriotism 101first off, you still haven't made the case for why Kethi shouldn't jump in the fray and try for an important leadership role in the country. I asked you this question right when you started this thread. It seems to me that kethi has much more to offer than the line up named as potential candidate. She brings a progressive world outlook, a civilized one that is, a gendered one, energy, and that O so brilliant mind. You gotta a problem with that? Are you content with the other names being put out? And no, she has not betrayed anything by running for office. Let's wait and see what she does if she gets there.
As for Kenyan men, they do it to themselves. My naming the ugliness of their patriarchal cultures doesn't make me the bad guy. They rape everybody women, children, other men, and even animals. they injure, maime, and kill plenty. Then, they turn around like you're doing here and try to equate the spaces that women and men occupy in the world; with mostly men occuping spaces that separate people and create harvoc. These distorted spaces of a brutalized masculinity, shored up and buttressed by the patriarchal state, gives licence to men to terrorize women. Men occupy patriarchal spaces in differing ways, however you all are privelleged by the partriarchy. This mysoginist culture takes it's biggest toll on women, and children. although men would be well adviced to support feminist ideas if they could actually see the ways in which patriarchy also distorts their own lives even as it hands them so many freebies. For instance does it feel good for a little boy to live in a home where his father uses his mother for a punching bag, or tries to get her killed like Philip Moi? you tell me if that is healthy for anyone? Sure the boy will probably grow up to do just as his daddie did, (like Chris Brown) which will likely ruin his relationship.
So please don't be telling me that women do it, men do it, the cats do it, and even the chickens do it. It's like the the term domestic violence. Rather it is Male Violence Against Women (MVAW). It is mostly men who cause harm. Show me one case in Kenya where a woman is taken to court because she has had kids here and there and is denying them and refusing to take responsibility for them, and I'll show you a thousand men who are doing so. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2013 5:10:29 GMT 3
huyu mama Nduku amejaribu. watcha tu. wa kenya muko na mambo mob. si bwana wake alikufa juzi tu, under some very very very weird circumstances? She seems to have recovered nicely. Look at Charity, watch her slip out of the camera's range.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2013 5:32:59 GMT 3
Nduku’s senate bid runs into headwinds
Senator Mutula Kilonzo widow’s bid to run for the vacant Makueni seat on a Jubilee ticket has suffered a blow.
The coalition plans to field a candidate under its constituent party Narc, but Mrs Nduku Kilonzo was not its candidate, according to Mr Kiema Kilonzo.
“We have already settled on former Kibwezi MP Philip Kaloki. The deadline for parties to identify candidates was last Wednesday and Mrs Kilonzo’s name was not among the ones I presented to the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission last week,” Mr Kiema, Narc’s new leader, told the Nation in a telephone interview.
He said the parties in the Jubilee alliance had agreed to back only one candidate for the seat. “As far as I am concerned, Prof Kaloki is our man in the July 22 battle,” Mr Kiema said.
He denied that a disagreement between the main parties in the coalition over the by-election could have brought Mrs Kilonzo in the picture.
“I don’t see any discomfort among Jubilee partners because we are finished with what the IEBC had asked us to do by June 5,” he said.
On Sunday Mrs Kilonzo stunned many when she threw her hat in the ring for the seat during a church service attended by President Uhuru Kenyatta in Machakos Town.
Mrs Kilonzo was introduced to the congregation at Our Lady of Lourdes Cathedral by Lands Cabinet Secretary Charity Ngilu before she made the announcement. Mrs Ngilu is the former leader of Narc.
It was this that made many to conclude that she was warming up to Narc.
Her entry in the race pits her against her step-daughter Kethi Kilonzo, who wants to take the seat on a Cord alliance ticket.
The timing of Mrs Kilonzo’s announcement is the talk of the town. Critics say she was being groomed by the ruling coalition due to the fact that she chose to make her stand known at a function in which President Kenyatta was the chief guest.
Her husband died on April 27, a month after his election as Makueni governor on a Wiper party ticket.www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Ndukus-senate-bid-runs-into-headwinds/-/1064/1878206/-/74nodkz/-/index.html
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Post by patriotism101 on Jun 11, 2013 15:48:54 GMT 3
But, Mutula was only living la vida loca like Kenyan men are known to do. To find one who doesn't behave like so, is the exception not the rule. But as you and everyone else has heard, Keithi is in this race and I say, yippe ki-yay! [/b][/quote] Kathure, You mean Kenyan men and women are known to do? statistically, Kenyan men cannot be in this alone. Just saying. Obviously, Kethi has proved she has no principles and she was just talk at the SC. This is what is seriously wrong with my country Kenya. People just talk but when it is their turn to practice what they preach they give all manner of excuse- what a farce. Senti 5[/quote] patriotism 101first off, you still haven't made the case for why Kethi shouldn't jump in the fray and try for an important leadership role in the country. I asked you this question right when you started this thread. It seems to me that kethi has much more to offer than the line up named as potential candidate. She brings a progressive world outlook, a civilized one that is, a gendered one, energy, and that O so brilliant mind. You gotta a problem with that? Are you content with the other names being put out? And no, she has not betrayed anything by running for office. Let's wait and see what she does if she gets there.
As for Kenyan men, they do it to themselves. My naming the ugliness of their patriarchal cultures doesn't make me the bad guy. They rape everybody women, children, other men, and even animals. they injure, maime, and kill plenty. Then, they turn around like you're doing here and try to equate the spaces that women and men occupy in the world; with mostly men occuping spaces that separate people and create harvoc. These distorted spaces of a brutalized masculinity, shored up and buttressed by the patriarchal state, gives licence to men to terrorize women. Men occupy patriarchal spaces in differing ways, however you all are privelleged by the partriarchy. This mysoginist culture takes it's biggest toll on women, and children. although men would be well adviced to support feminist ideas if they could actually see the ways in which patriarchy also distorts their own lives even as it hands them so many freebies. For instance does it feel good for a little boy to live in a home where his father uses his mother for a punching bag, or tries to get her killed like Philip Moi? you tell me if that is healthy for anyone? Sure the boy will probably grow up to do just as his daddie did, (like Chris Brown) which will likely ruin his relationship.
So please don't be telling me that women do it, men do it, the cats do it, and even the chickens do it. It's like the the term domestic violence. Rather it is Male Violence Against Women (MVAW). It is mostly men who cause harm. Show me one case in Kenya where a woman is taken to court because she has had kids here and there and is denying them and refusing to take responsibility for them, and I'll show you a thousand men who are doing so. [/quote] Kathure, For the umpteenth time I was- because she has listened to my wisdom and dropped her candidature- not opposed to Kethi putting her foot forward to take over from her Dad. What I was opposed to is that decision being made for her by the likes of Muthama , wiper and all the CORD crowd. I called upon her to listen to her inner innards which she did - with the excuse that running against her mum would be a curse and supporting Jubilee criminals would be a bigger curse. I hope we are together. There is a jukwaa member who cannot trust his own brothers and sisters to take care of his daughter. Apparently his siblings will most likely sexually or otherwise abuse his daughter. When I read that I wondered whether his siblings would trust him with their children. There is definitely a problem in this Jukwaa members family. Now you kathure K have a bigger problem. You want to blame all Kenyan men for all the real and perceived problems in this world. I have no idea what your interactions with men has been, but you sound like you want the species exterminated from the face of the earth. You don't care whether they are your brothers, fathers, uncles, or sons. According to you Kenyan men give the human race a bad name. You are obviously frustrated by many things. Probably I misunderstand your rant, probably we need to have this conversation face to face. But please get help. Senti 5 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 5:30:31 GMT 3
[/b][/quote] Kathure, You mean Kenyan men and women are known to do? statistically, Kenyan men cannot be in this alone. Just saying. Obviously, Kethi has proved she has no principles and she was just talk at the SC. This is what is seriously wrong with my country Kenya. People just talk but when it is their turn to practice what they preach they give all manner of excuse- what a farce. Senti 5[/quote] patriotism 101first off, you still haven't made the case for why Kethi shouldn't jump in the fray and try for an important leadership role in the country. I asked you this question right when you started this thread. It seems to me that kethi has much more to offer than the line up named as potential candidate. She brings a progressive world outlook, a civilized one that is, a gendered one, energy, and that O so brilliant mind. You gotta a problem with that? Are you content with the other names being put out? And no, she has not betrayed anything by running for office. Let's wait and see what she does if she gets there.
As for Kenyan men, they do it to themselves. My naming the ugliness of their patriarchal cultures doesn't make me the bad guy. They rape everybody women, children, other men, and even animals. they injure, maime, and kill plenty. Then, they turn around like you're doing here and try to equate the spaces that women and men occupy in the world; with mostly men occuping spaces that separate people and create harvoc. These distorted spaces of a brutalized masculinity, shored up and buttressed by the patriarchal state, gives licence to men to terrorize women. Men occupy patriarchal spaces in differing ways, however you all are privelleged by the partriarchy. This mysoginist culture takes it's biggest toll on women, and children. although men would be well adviced to support feminist ideas if they could actually see the ways in which patriarchy also distorts their own lives even as it hands them so many freebies. For instance does it feel good for a little boy to live in a home where his father uses his mother for a punching bag, or tries to get her killed like Philip Moi? you tell me if that is healthy for anyone? Sure the boy will probably grow up to do just as his daddie did, (like Chris Brown) which will likely ruin his relationship.
So please don't be telling me that women do it, men do it, the cats do it, and even the chickens do it. It's like the the term domestic violence. Rather it is Male Violence Against Women (MVAW). It is mostly men who cause harm. Show me one case in Kenya where a woman is taken to court because she has had kids here and there and is denying them and refusing to take responsibility for them, and I'll show you a thousand men who are doing so. [/quote] Kathure, For the umpteenth time I was- because she has listened to my wisdom and dropped her candidature- not opposed to Kethi putting her foot forward to take over from her Dad. What I was opposed to is that decision being made for her by the likes of Muthama , wiper and all the CORD crowd. I called upon her to listen to her inner innards which she did - with the excuse that running against her mum would be a curse and supporting Jubilee criminals would be a bigger curse. I hope we are together. There is a jukwaa member who cannot trust his own brothers and sisters to take care of his daughter. Apparently his siblings will most likely sexually or otherwise abuse his daughter. When I read that I wondered whether his siblings would trust him with their children. There is definitely a problem in this Jukwaa members family. Now you kathure K have a bigger problem. You want to blame all Kenyan men for all the real and perceived problems in this world. I have no idea what your interactions with men has been, but you sound like you want the species exterminated from the face of the earth. You don't care whether they are your brothers, fathers, uncles, or sons. According to you Kenyan men give the human race a bad name. You are obviously frustrated by many things. Probably I misunderstand your rant, probably we need to have this conversation face to face. But please get help. Senti 5[/quote] patriotism 101kethi shouldn't run for office out of pressure from others, On that we can agree. She should also not withdraw her candidacy unless she does so of her own volition. However, other people, like myself, can encourage one to pursue office particularly if they think the person has something positive to offer. So it is that kethi has made the decision not to go for the senator's position. Hopefully, she wasn't arm twisted into that decison by anybody. Fine, Nduku it is. Wonder if she is running for the coalition of Mutula's enemies as kethi put it? As far as partriarchy, other than being defensive, you have not responded to anything I've said. All you've done is try and silence me with the age old trick of inverting the truth to make out like I'm the one with the issues. This is the reason why men like you, will never engage in self reflexiveness, look deep inside, look around the country and the world, read the freaking reports on the levels of violence perpetrated by MEN on WOMEN. This is also why I do not want to waste my energies talking to knackle heads like you, trying to educate your ass on the issue. As I often do, I'll draw an analogy with racism. White people mostly have the same response that men have when people of colour call out their freaking institutionalized and interpersonal racism. Oh no they say, not us. You have an issue, and you're imagining things, a chip on your shoulder. A while back a man titchaz here on jukwaa started a thread in which he encouraged kenyan men to reflect and have conversations about the ways of men in kenya. Oh dude, you should have seen how fast most other men shut him up. The others mostly just didn't comment, which in and of itself is a position taken. I'll pull that tread up later and maybe, just maybe men like you can start thinking about what women are saying rather than jumping to shut us up. You educate yourself. A good place to start would be pulling up statistics on who kills who in that country and the world at large. then we'll talk about it some more. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 5:43:10 GMT 3
hold on patriotism 101here we go. Nduku Kilonzo opts out of Makueni senate race, backs Kethi Kilonzo
Updated Wednesday, June 12th 2013 at 00:13 GMT +3
By MACHUA KOINANGE
Kenya: Nduku Kilonzo will not be running for the vacant Makueni Senate seat after all, The Standard can now reveal.
“I had a meeting on Monday night with members of my family including my children, brothers, sisters and close friends. They have advised me that this is not the right time and I am still mourning the loss of my husband. There will be another time,” she said on Tuesday.
What is more, she will throw her full support behind her step-daughter, Kethi Kilonzo, should she decide to jump back into the race for the seat.
“I will throw my support behind Kethi should she decide to run. I will fully support her.”
Kethi’s decision
Last night, it was still unclear if Kethi would reconsider her decision and get back in the race in the light of her stepmother’s decision to step aside. Efforts to reach her were fruitless and close friends confided to The Standard that she was probably keeping a low profile due to the publicity generated by the senate race.
Nduku told The Standard yesterday that she had jumped into the race after confirming with her step-daughter that she was not running.
The stunning development brings to an end the possible remarkable match-up for the Makueni by-election scheduled for July 22 that would have pitted step-mother versus step-daughter. The by-election is being held in the same month that the late Mutula was born. He was born on July 2.
That was an additional reason for Nduku to pull out: “I have withdrawn from the race. It’s hard to run in the election in the same month that I am celebrating my late husband’s birthday. My role now is to hold my family together and run my late husband’s businesses, including his ranch.”
Mutula died on April 27 while on a weekend away at his 1,500-acre Kwa Kyelu ranch after falling ill. He was laid to rest on May 9 and a pathology report on the cause of his death is yet to be made public.
Nduku attended a church service last Sunday at our Lady of Lourdes in Machakos town in the company of Lands Cabinet Secretary Charity Ngilu where she made the announcement. President Uhuru Kenyatta also attended the memorial service for the late Bishop Urbanus Kioko.
Yesterday, Nduku was emphatic: “I am not in the race. I have withdrawn.”
So why did she announce to the media on Sunday that she was running? “I was put under pressure especially by the media. They followed me to my car pressing me for an answer.” The presence of Ms Ngilu next to her did not help either. It was her voice that was overheard in the television interview between journalists and Nduku prompting her to answer “yes” to whether she was a candidate for the seat.
“The media has blown this issue out of proportion and written some nasty things about my family. The Mutula family is united,” she declared.
On why she was at the Sunday memorial service if her intention was not to announce her candidature, she responded: “There was no prior arrangement for me to announce that I was running on Sunday. I was invited to attend the service, that was it.”
Detailing the chronology of events that led to her dramatic albeit reluctant announcement last Sunday, Nduku said she has met with her step-daughter, Kethi, several times.
“In all the conversations I have had with her, including text messages, she has told me she is not running.”
Kethi has never publicly declared she is running. Speculation has been rife that she is under pressure by CORD leaders to run for the seat previously held by her father. Friends who are close to her intimate that she is more cut out as a lawyer than a politician.
“She would prefer to run her father’s law firm as opposed to running for the senate seat. She really enjoys being a lawyer,” says one very close friend.
Last Thursday, Nduku went to the Kilonzo and Company Advocates offices along Ngong Road and met Kethi. She needed her to sign some documents. In a face-to-face meeting, Kethi maintained she was not running. “I pressed her to tell me whether she was running or not. The media was reporting that she was running and she told me she was not.”www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000085765&story_title=nduku-opts-out-of-race-backs-kethi |
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Post by patriotism101 on Jun 13, 2013 12:54:01 GMT 3
[/b][/quote] Kathure, You mean Kenyan men and women are known to do? statistically, Kenyan men cannot be in this alone. Just saying. Obviously, Kethi has proved she has no principles and she was just talk at the SC. This is what is seriously wrong with my country Kenya. People just talk but when it is their turn to practice what they preach they give all manner of excuse- what a farce. Senti 5[/quote] patriotism 101first off, you still haven't made the case for why Kethi shouldn't jump in the fray and try for an important leadership role in the country. I asked you this question right when you started this thread. It seems to me that kethi has much more to offer than the line up named as potential candidate. She brings a progressive world outlook, a civilized one that is, a gendered one, energy, and that O so brilliant mind. You gotta a problem with that? Are you content with the other names being put out? And no, she has not betrayed anything by running for office. Let's wait and see what she does if she gets there.
As for Kenyan men, they do it to themselves. My naming the ugliness of their patriarchal cultures doesn't make me the bad guy. They rape everybody women, children, other men, and even animals. they injure, maime, and kill plenty. Then, they turn around like you're doing here and try to equate the spaces that women and men occupy in the world; with mostly men occuping spaces that separate people and create harvoc. These distorted spaces of a brutalized masculinity, shored up and buttressed by the patriarchal state, gives licence to men to terrorize women. Men occupy patriarchal spaces in differing ways, however you all are privelleged by the partriarchy. This mysoginist culture takes it's biggest toll on women, and children. although men would be well adviced to support feminist ideas if they could actually see the ways in which patriarchy also distorts their own lives even as it hands them so many freebies. For instance does it feel good for a little boy to live in a home where his father uses his mother for a punching bag, or tries to get her killed like Philip Moi? you tell me if that is healthy for anyone? Sure the boy will probably grow up to do just as his daddie did, (like Chris Brown) which will likely ruin his relationship.
So please don't be telling me that women do it, men do it, the cats do it, and even the chickens do it. It's like the the term domestic violence. Rather it is Male Violence Against Women (MVAW). It is mostly men who cause harm. Show me one case in Kenya where a woman is taken to court because she has had kids here and there and is denying them and refusing to take responsibility for them, and I'll show you a thousand men who are doing so. [/quote] Kathure, For the umpteenth time I was- because she has listened to my wisdom and dropped her candidature- not opposed to Kethi putting her foot forward to take over from her Dad. What I was opposed to is that decision being made for her by the likes of Muthama , wiper and all the CORD crowd. I called upon her to listen to her inner innards which she did - with the excuse that running against her mum would be a curse and supporting Jubilee criminals would be a bigger curse. I hope we are together. There is a jukwaa member who cannot trust his own brothers and sisters to take care of his daughter. Apparently his siblings will most likely sexually or otherwise abuse his daughter. When I read that I wondered whether his siblings would trust him with their children. There is definitely a problem in this Jukwaa members family. Now you kathure K have a bigger problem. You want to blame all Kenyan men for all the real and perceived problems in this world. I have no idea what your interactions with men has been, but you sound like you want the species exterminated from the face of the earth. You don't care whether they are your brothers, fathers, uncles, or sons. According to you Kenyan men give the human race a bad name. You are obviously frustrated by many things. Probably I misunderstand your rant, probably we need to have this conversation face to face. But please get help. Senti 5[/quote] patriotism 101kethi shouldn't run for office out of pressure from others, On that we can agree. She should also not withdraw her candidacy unless she does so of her own volition. However, other people, like myself, can encourage one to pursue office particularly if they think the person has something positive to offer. So it is that kethi has made the decision not to go for the senator's position. Hopefully, she wasn't arm twisted into that decison by anybody. Fine, Nduku it is. Wonder if she is running for the coalition of Mutula's enemies as kethi put it? As far as partriarchy, other than being defensive, you have not responded to anything I've said. All you've done is try and silence me with the age old trick of inverting the truth to make out like I'm the one with the issues. This is the reason why men like you, will never engage in self reflexiveness, look deep inside, look around the country and the world, read the freaking reports on the levels of violence perpetrated by MEN on WOMEN. This is also why I do not want to waste my energies talking to knackle heads like you, trying to educate your ass on the issue. As I often do, I'll draw an analogy with racism. White people mostly have the same response that men have when people of colour call out their freaking institutionalized and interpersonal racism. Oh no they say, not us. You have an issue, and you're imagining things, a chip on your shoulder. A while back a man titchaz here on jukwaa started a thread in which he encouraged kenyan men to reflect and have conversations about the ways of men in kenya. Oh dude, you should have seen how fast most other men shut him up. The others mostly just didn't comment, which in and of itself is a position taken. I'll pull that tread up later and maybe, just maybe men like you can start thinking about what women are saying rather than jumping to shut us up. You educate yourself. A good place to start would be pulling up statistics on who kills who in that country and the world at large. then we'll talk about it some more. [/quote] Kathure, just to use your analogy - I think you are what bitter black folks are to racism. Bitterness even to fellow black folks. Some Men are dogs, I agree- so should we close shop and go home and hang "Men are Dogs" around every man's neck? To answer your question, none of the people presenting themselves to run for the position in my position qualify to run for the office including kethi. But since Kenyans are used to mediocre, Kethi suffices. You know if you are number one in a class of dumb kids, you will still be dumb in a class of brilliant minds. I have no idea where you get this idea that Kethi brings a progressive world outlook, a civilized one that is, a gendered one, energy, and that O so brilliant mind. This is the same woman who thinks running against her mum in law is a curse and anti tradition - oh the same traditions you berate men of using against women. You think Kethi can hold a serious and eloquent conversation on any matter without cramming and burning the midnight oil on the issue? Brilliant mind is so underrated Kathure. Senti 5 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2013 17:25:38 GMT 3
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Oh come on. Speaking of mediocrity, you gotta do better than that. And unlike you, i'm actually going to tell you why I make this claim. Bitter black folks? What the hell is that? I'm too slow, please explain it to this thick woman. “Some men are dogs?” (Your words.) Which men? Say what you may, but it is what it is. I didn't invent sexism the group men did. So the group men have to dismantle it. But since you all benefit so much from oppressing women, I can't expect you to want to put an end to it. But you need not worry yourself because those at the receiving end of it, will see to it's dimiss. It may take another century or two, but hey, who said struggle was easy. I know a song that starts like this, “ No change without struggle, no one in power ain't giving up nothing...”. Along the way, there will be men who aren't “dogs” and who work in solidarity with women to dismantle the oldest, most pervasive form of subordination that humanity has managed to socially construct.
So you don't care for anyone being fronted to fill the vacacant seat? And you think that they're all dumb. OK. So, which dumb one is it going to be? Because like it or not,it's going to be one of them. I haven't seen you write any open letters to the other potential candidates counselling them not to run. How comes? If Kethi is the least dumb of them all, why would you wish any of the others on the people of Makueni?
I saw and heard Kethi @ the SC argue eloquently and brilliantly against those who rigged the last election. So too did millions of Kenyans who by all accounts were blown away by her sharp intellect. That may be part of the reason that jubilie is so afraid of her. You must not have seen her, otherwise you'd know that she is exceptional. And the response she gave to her step-mother was soooooo clever. I'm sorry if you can't see how. I don't have to chew your food and swallow it for you too. You gotta do something for yourself.
When it comes to traditions, are you wearing skin around you loins as we speak? If you are then I'll know you stick to "traditions." frozen in space and time. Other than that, cheery picking which “traditions” men will stick to and which ones they'll discard based solely on attempts to justify oppressing other people doesn't cut it.
And yes, I do think that Kethi can “hold a serious and eloquent conversation.” And she does not need to know everything on earth for me to think that. Even Norm Chomsky doesn't know everything! And because he is a good man, a grounded one, whose ego does not depend on bringing others down, or mumbling and fumbling pretending he knows what he's talking about; I've heard him say that he can't respond to a question when it's been beyond his scope. Ati “”craming and burning the midnight oil.” If you're smart, you could tell people who just memorise material, and those who can actually think on their feet. You'd know that Keithi is one of those people.
It seems to me that you have other reasons besides the ones you've stated publicly as to why you don't want Keithi to run. Mind sharing, pretty please with a cherry on top!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2013 18:58:59 GMT 3
WE LOVE YOU KEITHI! GO FOR IT! Kethi may rejoin Makueni race after Nduku quit Thursday, June 13, 2013 - 00:00 -- BY NZAU MUSAU KETHI Kilonzo, daughter of former Makueni Senator Mutula Kilonzo, was yesterday under pressure to re-enter the race to succeed her father after her stepmother Cyrose Nduku pulled out.Sources said Kethi had re-entered the race and it is only a matter of time before she makes it public. On Tuesday, Kethi announced she had pulled out of the race saying she did not incur a curse by running against her mother. To support her mother in Jubilee would be a bigger curse, she added. Nduku has since confirmed that she has quit the race saying she wants to continue mourning her husband. She had announced her widely-criticised bid on Sunday at the prompting of Cabinet Secretary Charity Ngilu. “She (Kethi) has no choice. She is the people’s choice, the people’s Senator. With everything resolved the way it has been resolved, she is back and the seat is hers for the taking,” Makueni MP Daniel Maanzo said. Maanzo said the people of Makueni had welcomed Nduku’s pull out and expect Kethi back: “She has no reason not to go all the way. She’s young, brilliant and receptive to her people’s will. We take it that she’s back,” Maanzo said. Kethi’s supporters strongly believe that Nduku was being pushed by Jubilee to ruin her chances.They also believe that other family members are envious of Kethi’s rising star and have not backed her. “Some of them believe they should have been the ones people are demanding.They should however understand that she’s simply the victim of people’s love. She’s equally helpless. They should support her fully,” a source close to her said. Despite immense calls on Kethi to run, no family member has ever publicly endorsed her, including her brother Mutula Kilonzo Junior. The only time a family member spoke was on Sunday when Nduku announced that Kethi was not in the race. The by-election is set for July 22. Mutula died on April 27 at his Machakos home. He was buried on May 9. www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-124085/kethi-may-rejoin-makueni-race-after-nduku-quit
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Post by patriotism101 on Jun 15, 2013 16:51:47 GMT 3
[/b][/quote] Kathure, You mean Kenyan men and women are known to do? statistically, Kenyan men cannot be in this alone. Just saying. Obviously, Kethi has proved she has no principles and she was just talk at the SC. This is what is seriously wrong with my country Kenya. People just talk but when it is their turn to practice what they preach they give all manner of excuse- what a farce. Senti 5[/quote] patriotism 101first off, you still haven't made the case for why Kethi shouldn't jump in the fray and try for an important leadership role in the country. I asked you this question right when you started this thread. It seems to me that kethi has much more to offer than the line up named as potential candidate. She brings a progressive world outlook, a civilized one that is, a gendered one, energy, and that O so brilliant mind. You gotta a problem with that? Are you content with the other names being put out? And no, she has not betrayed anything by running for office. Let's wait and see what she does if she gets there.
As for Kenyan men, they do it to themselves. My naming the ugliness of their patriarchal cultures doesn't make me the bad guy. They rape everybody women, children, other men, and even animals. they injure, maime, and kill plenty. Then, they turn around like you're doing here and try to equate the spaces that women and men occupy in the world; with mostly men occuping spaces that separate people and create harvoc. These distorted spaces of a brutalized masculinity, shored up and buttressed by the patriarchal state, gives licence to men to terrorize women. Men occupy patriarchal spaces in differing ways, however you all are privelleged by the partriarchy. This mysoginist culture takes it's biggest toll on women, and children. although men would be well adviced to support feminist ideas if they could actually see the ways in which patriarchy also distorts their own lives even as it hands them so many freebies. For instance does it feel good for a little boy to live in a home where his father uses his mother for a punching bag, or tries to get her killed like Philip Moi? you tell me if that is healthy for anyone? Sure the boy will probably grow up to do just as his daddie did, (like Chris Brown) which will likely ruin his relationship.
So please don't be telling me that women do it, men do it, the cats do it, and even the chickens do it. It's like the the term domestic violence. Rather it is Male Violence Against Women (MVAW). It is mostly men who cause harm. Show me one case in Kenya where a woman is taken to court because she has had kids here and there and is denying them and refusing to take responsibility for them, and I'll show you a thousand men who are doing so. [/quote] Kathure, For the umpteenth time I was- because she has listened to my wisdom and dropped her candidature- not opposed to Kethi putting her foot forward to take over from her Dad. What I was opposed to is that decision being made for her by the likes of Muthama , wiper and all the CORD crowd. I called upon her to listen to her inner innards which she did - with the excuse that running against her mum would be a curse and supporting Jubilee criminals would be a bigger curse. I hope we are together. There is a jukwaa member who cannot trust his own brothers and sisters to take care of his daughter. Apparently his siblings will most likely sexually or otherwise abuse his daughter. When I read that I wondered whether his siblings would trust him with their children. There is definitely a problem in this Jukwaa members family. Now you kathure K have a bigger problem. You want to blame all Kenyan men for all the real and perceived problems in this world. I have no idea what your interactions with men has been, but you sound like you want the species exterminated from the face of the earth. You don't care whether they are your brothers, fathers, uncles, or sons. According to you Kenyan men give the human race a bad name. You are obviously frustrated by many things. Probably I misunderstand your rant, probably we need to have this conversation face to face. But please get help. Senti 5[/quote] patriotism 101kethi shouldn't run for office out of pressure from others, On that we can agree. She should also not withdraw her candidacy unless she does so of her own volition. However, other people, like myself, can encourage one to pursue office particularly if they think the person has something positive to offer. So it is that kethi has made the decision not to go for the senator's position. Hopefully, she wasn't arm twisted into that decison by anybody. Fine, Nduku it is. Wonder if she is running for the coalition of Mutula's enemies as kethi put it? As far as partriarchy, other than being defensive, you have not responded to anything I've said. All you've done is try and silence me with the age old trick of inverting the truth to make out like I'm the one with the issues. This is the reason why men like you, will never engage in self reflexiveness, look deep inside, look around the country and the world, read the freaking reports on the levels of violence perpetrated by MEN on WOMEN. This is also why I do not want to waste my energies talking to knackle heads like you, trying to educate your ass on the issue. As I often do, I'll draw an analogy with racism. White people mostly have the same response that men have when people of colour call out their freaking institutionalized and interpersonal racism. Oh no they say, not us. You have an issue, and you're imagining things, a chip on your shoulder. A while back a man titchaz here on jukwaa started a thread in which he encouraged kenyan men to reflect and have conversations about the ways of men in kenya. Oh dude, you should have seen how fast most other men shut him up. The others mostly just didn't comment, which in and of itself is a position taken. I'll pull that tread up later and maybe, just maybe men like you can start thinking about what women are saying rather than jumping to shut us up. You educate yourself. A good place to start would be pulling up statistics on who kills who in that country and the world at large. then we'll talk about it some more. [/quote] Kathure, It is knuckle with a u and not an a. I am not going to stoop to your level. We obviously have different standards and perspectives and trying to come to some common ground with you is a total waste of time. As I have said before, I have no issues if this woman (Kethi) stands as senator for makueni. What I had a problem with is her being someone's project. Obviously the yes- no its a curse- yes - maybe - I am running performance by her is very clever according to you. Kathure- you stay with your opinion. Men perpetrating violence against women was not the subject of this thread- you can start a thread about that topic elsewhere and vomit on it all you care. Black white , pink, grey issues you are analogizing about are neither here nor there. A waste of negative energies is good - but don't fart it on me. Senti 5 |
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Post by johns on Jun 15, 2013 20:58:04 GMT 3
Patriotism 101
C'mon take it like a man that you are and move on. Isn't that the new lingo in town which people like you have been telling everyone who care to listen to the unbalanced propagation you have been spewing about Kethi in this forum? One would think you have a personal interest in this Makueni senatorial contest with the way you have been attacking Mutulas daughter. Now that you got your black butt whipped by Kathure, you shamelessly resort to the useless beaten path with words which men of no spine often adopt when cornered by an intelligent nonsensical woman.
Its wise to coil your tail or give up when your argument or whatever it was you thought you were conveying did not have a chance on earth to have any traction whatsoever because it was not balanced let alone being factual.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2013 21:20:52 GMT 3
patriotism 101 you said
Kathure,
It is knuckle with a u and not an a.
I am not going to stoop to your level. We obviously have different standards and perspectives and trying to come to some common ground with you is a total waste of time. As I have said before, I have no issues if this woman (Kethi) stands as senator for makueni. What I had a problem with is her being someone's project. Obviously the yes- no its a curse- yes - maybe - I am running performance by her is very clever according to you. Kathure- you stay with your opinion. Men perpetrating violence against women was not the subject of this thread- you can start a thread about that topic elsewhere and vomit on it all you care. Black white , pink, grey issues you are analogizing about are neither here nor there.
A waste of negative energies is good - but don't fart it on me.
Senti 5
thanks for that spelling correction. I'll memorize the correct spelling for the future.
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