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Post by mank on Jun 1, 2008 20:20:58 GMT 3
HE IS NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO THINKS HILLARY PRESUMED ENTITLEMENT .... BUT A QUICK MIND WOULD HAVE KNOWN NOT TO SAY IT, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE WRIGHT RAP ... AND THE TWIT SAYS IT RIGHT FROM THE CONTROVERSIAL CHURCH. I DO NOT THINK HE WAS WORKING FOR HC, AS IT MIGHT SEEM.
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Post by einstein on Jun 2, 2008 1:23:07 GMT 3
Clinton wins in Puerto Rico, CNN projectsSAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (CNN) -- Sen. Hillary Clinton will win Puerto Rico's Democratic primary by a wide margin, CNN projects, giving her the larger share of the territory's 55 delegates. Sen. Hillary Clinton greets patrons Sunday at a San Juan, Puerto Rico, bakery. With about 70 percent of precincts reporting, Clinton was leading Sen. Barack Obama by more than a 2-1 margin. Clinton campaign chairman Terry McAuliffe said Puerto Rico was "another great win" for the New York senator. Clinton swept Obama in every major demographic group, including groups Obama generally wins, such as younger voters and higher income voters, according to CNN's exit polls. Clinton's campaign has been arguing that a landslide victory would push her ahead in the popular vote and help her convince superdelegates to pick her instead of Obama. To cross that threshold, she would need to win 65 percent of the vote with a turnout of at least 2 million people. But Luis Hector, an elections official, said only 1.5 million ballots were printed. CNN estimates turnout will be between 325,000 and 425,000. "Most people in Puerto Rico, I would venture to guess, they are not even aware that there's a primary going on," said Luis Pabón-Roca, a local political analyst. He said the political atmosphere on the island this week is subdued compared to the fever that sweeps the island before local elections. Some poll workers in small towns started abandoning the polling stations because turnout was so low, he said. Part of the reason for the lack of interest, he said, is because voters feel the primary isn't meaningful since Puerto Ricans cannot vote in the general election. The Democratic and Republican parties run the primaries and caucuses, and they allow U.S. territories, such as the commonwealth of Puerto Rico, to take part in the process. But only the 50 states and the District of Columbia vote in the general election. A group of demonstrators gathered at a polling location Sunday to protest the idea that the island territory would participate in a mainland vote. The issue of statehood appears to be dividing supporters of Clinton and Obama, according to CNN's exclusive exit polls. Full exit polls Neither candidate has taken a direct position on the issue, though Puerto Rico's former governor, who has advocated statehood, supports Clinton. Among Clinton supporters, 72 percent want Puerto Rico to be a U.S. state, 23 percent want it to remain a commonwealth, and 2 percent want it to be an independent country. But among Obama supporters, 57 percent want Puerto Rico to stay a commonwealth while only 34 percent want statehood. Eight percent want it to be an independent country. Clinton campaigned in Puerto Rico in the two weeks leading up to Sunday's contest. Her husband, Bill, and daughter, Chelsea, also made a number of appearances on the island. At a campaign stop in Mitchell, South Dakota, Obama congratulated Clinton for her win Sunday and praised her for being an "outstanding public servant." "She is going to be a great asset when we go into November to make sure that we defeat the Republicans," he said. The primary season ends Tuesday when voters in Montana and South Dakota weigh in in the lengthy nomination battle. Those states have a combined 31 delegates up for grabs. Obama campaign spokesman Robert Gibbs said he expects Obama to clinch the nomination in the coming days. "If not Tuesday, I think it will be fairly soon," he said Sunday on ABC's "This Week." "We hope this week, absolutely," he added. Going into Sunday's contests, Obama led in the overall delegate count -- 2,051 to Clinton's 1,877. Clinton gained some ground Saturday following the Democratic National Committee's decision to seat the delegations from Florida and Michigan. The DNC's Rules and Bylaws Committee reinstated all of Florida and Michigan's delegates to the national convention, with each state getting a half-vote to penalize them for holding their primaries earlier than party rules allowed. The DNC panel's move gave Clinton 87 delegates and Obama 63. edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/01/puerto.rico/index.html
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Post by einstein on Jun 2, 2008 3:50:20 GMT 3
How and what about this scenario?What would happen if Barack Obama was killed I would rather die on Obama's behalf!!?? May God give me the strength!!
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Post by einstein on Jun 2, 2008 22:52:49 GMT 3
Sources: Senate superdelegates will throw support to ObamaWASHINGTON (CNN) -- Most of the 17 Democratic senators who are uncommitted superdelegates will endorse Sen. Barack Obama for president this week, sources told CNN Monday. Sen. Barack Obama is expected to pick up superdelegate endorsements after Tuesday's contests, sources say. The lawmakers will wait until after the South Dakota and Montana primaries Tuesday before announcing their support for Obama, two sources familiar with discussions between Obama supporters and these senators told CNN's Gloria Borger. Obama supporters have been "pressing" for these superdelegates to endorse early this week, but according to one source, "the senators don't want to pound Hillary Clinton, and there is a sense she should be given a grace period." A series of meetings on the topic have been facilitated at different times by Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin, former Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle and Iowa Sen. Tom Harkin. Durbin and Daschle are Obama supporters, while Harkin is uncommitted. Obama is now 46 delegates short of the 2,118 needed to clinch the Democratic nomination, while Clinton needs 202. There are 31 pledged delegates up for grabs in the Tuesday contests, and 202 superdelegates have yet to commit to either candidate. Obama has the support of 331 superdelegates to Clinton's 292. Superdelegates are party elected officials and activists who are free to vote for either candidate. Following Sunday's Puerto Rico primary, Obama picked up two more superdelegate nods, and Clinton received one. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi will remain uncommitted until Clinton officially drops out of the race, sources told CNN's Candy Crowley, but that isn't stopping the two party heavyweights from using their clout to bring the primary battle to a hasty end. Pelosi told the San Francisco Chronicle last week that she is prepared to intervene if the presidential race does not resolve itself by the end of June. "I will step in," Pelosi told the paper in an interview. "Because we cannot take this fight to the convention. ... It must be over before then." A senior Democratic aide in Congress also told CNN on Friday that Pelosi is already calling uncommitted superdelegates and pressuring them to back either Obama or Clinton by the end of this week. Pelosi is collaborating with Reid on the effort. In an interview with a San Francisco radio station last week, Reid said he spoke to Pelosi and Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean. "We all are going to urge our folks next week to make a decision very quickly," Reid said. Throughout the process, Dean has been pressing for superdelegates to make up their minds after this week's contests. Facing an insurmountable lead among pledged delegates, Clinton is now counting on the remaining superdelegates to push her over the finish line, a proposition her campaign admits is a tall order. "Is the road steeper than it was several weeks ago?," Clinton adviser Harold Ickes remarked on CNN's "Late Edition" on Sunday. "The answer is yes." Still, Clinton told reporters after her primary win in Puerto Rico on Sunday that given her support among key demographics in swing states, she has proved she will be a stronger nominee than Obama against John McCain. "I think it's only now that we're finishing these contests that people are going to actually reflect," Clinton said on her campaign plane Sunday, referring to the uncommitted superdelegates. "Who's our stronger candidate? And I believe I am, and I'm going to make that case, and at some point it will either be accepted or it won't be, but I feel strongly about making it." Clinton argued that even superdelegates who have committed to Obama are free to "change their minds" -- a suggestion the Obama campaign declined to comment on. Despite the odds against her, Clinton continues to pick up support even as Obama grows his lead among superdelegates. edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/02/superdelegates/index.html
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Post by politicalmaniac on Jun 3, 2008 20:42:42 GMT 3
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Post by politicalmaniac on Jun 3, 2008 22:36:24 GMT 3
Hillary want to be VP she said it herself! www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24953561/She wants to muscle her way into the ticket, yaani force Obama to pick her or else!
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Post by einstein on Jun 3, 2008 22:50:03 GMT 3
"To finish first, you have to finish first" , says former Formula I Grand Prix World Champion, Michael Schumacher!! Please give Obama time!!! McAuliffe debunks AP reportPosted: 11:52 AM ET WASHINGTON (CNN) — Hillary Clinton is "absolutely" not prepared to admit Barack Obama has beaten her in the race for the Democratic nomination for president, Clinton campaign chairman Terry McAuliffe told CNN Tuesday. The comments came minutes after the Associated Press reported Clinton is preparing to concede the delegate race Tuesday night as the five-month Democratic primary process comes to a close. McAuliffe called that report "100 percent" incorrect. Obama "doesn't have the numbers today, and until someone has the numbers the race goes on," he also told CNN.As of Monday night, Obama led Clinton among the delegates who formally nominate the party's candidate, with 2,076 to 1,917. A candidate needs 2,118 delegates to clinch the nomination. There are 31 delegates at stake in Montana and South Dakota, plus nearly 200 superdelegates who have yet to declare who they support. Clinton is scheduled to speak on her home turf of New York tonight as polls close in the last two states of the Democratic nominating process. UPDATE: The Clinton campaign just released the following statement: "The AP story is incorrect. Senator Clinton will not concede the nomination this evening." politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
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Post by job on Jun 3, 2008 23:15:22 GMT 3
AO & others, They said Indiana was going to be a game changer,....well the game in fact changed.....to Obama's advantage. Whichever way one looks at this, Indiana is 87% white, and for Obama to close in this strong, despite the Rev. Wright baggage, is simply phenomenal. His clear thumping of Hillary in North Carolina (where I had close friends volunteering for Obama) was equally great. Obama must now get to business, and I agree, talk to the tough lady,....and I repeat what I said earlier.......talk to her about what might look impossibe to imagine for many - an offer for the Vice Presidency. Who says there can't be an Obama-Clinton ticket?
If Obama want's a real shot at party unity, he should nominate the tough Hillary as running mate. If Hillary truly loves the party, she should accept the offer. How about giving that controversial idea a thought. Otherwise the race with McCain is still going to be tough without a joint Obama-Clinton ticket.Politics gets interesting. The first time I toyed with this idea of a joint Obama-Hillary ticket was in February 08 when nobody, especially Obama supporters, could even tolerate the mention of that. One month ago, I repeated the stance, knowing well how divided the party has in reality become. More recently, when Hillary upped her vitriol on Obama, inciting deep racial emotions against Obama, and even prodding the thought of an Obama assassination,....I personally disfavoured that possibility.....but now, yet again, the reality tends to indicate some bitterness following Hillary's loss.....and possible fallout....thus if Hillary is ready to be Obama's VP,...why not. Obama should just consider Hillary as Veep and worry about tomorrow when it comes. You must first become President to start worrying about a VP undermining you. I approve this message: Obama-Clinton 2008 Tosha!
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Post by politicalmaniac on Jun 3, 2008 23:32:23 GMT 3
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Post by Titchaz on Jun 4, 2008 5:21:07 GMT 3
St. Paul, Minnesota is aflame with Obama's speech.Kiboko yake!!!
He even praises Hillary...despite Hillary not conceding in her speech..hamna noma!!!
The man is now tearing into McCain...Politics is interesting!
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Post by deyiengs on Jun 4, 2008 6:42:46 GMT 3
History has just been made! Even though we expected it, it sure feels good that it's now official. St. Paul, Minnesota is aflame with Obama's speech.Kiboko yake!!! He even praises Hillary...despite Hillary not conceding in her speech..hamna noma!!! The man is now tearing into McCain...Politics is interesting!
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Post by deyiengs on Jun 4, 2008 11:33:11 GMT 3
Australians think of this like this: BARACK Obama will be subject to unprecedented security as America's first ever black presidential nominee. Experts have warned Senator Obama is now one of the world's most likely assassination targets, and will be constantly tailed by minders. An Australian today described him as a 'JFK-style' figure. Senator Obama declared himself the Democratic nominee for the US presidency earlier today, but rival Senator Hillary Clinton is yet to concede. Monash University politics professor Greg Barton said Senator Obama would not even be able to walk through his own home without being followed by members of the Secret Service. "Every minute of every hour of every day he will be watched,'' Mr Barton said. ..... READ MORE www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23805786-661,00.html
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Post by deyiengs on Jun 4, 2008 11:44:47 GMT 3
HAYA! KAMATA! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by politicalmaniac on Jun 4, 2008 15:14:23 GMT 3
Great, and not only did we watch history being made, a colleague just called meto tell me that we MADE history, we participated and made history. I could not agreee more.
If you tried to donate $$ last nite via Obama website, it was almost impossible to get through. Those servers were simply crawling! It took an hr an a half for the post to get through!
Perhaps we should start a General election thread and close the nomination thread? Again congrats to Barack!
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Post by politicalmaniac on Jun 4, 2008 16:08:13 GMT 3
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Post by nereah on Jun 4, 2008 18:19:43 GMT 3
after that, after all that, obama runs away with victory. hillary deserves praise for the staying power although I was a little disappointed when her hubby kept distracting us with the refrain that her only crime was running for the party's presidential ticket.
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Post by einstein on Jun 4, 2008 19:06:17 GMT 3
Like Obama said, "Hillary is a woman who has done what no woman has done before" and what only few women worldwide have ever achieved! She deserves every honour and may many more women worldwide follow in her footsteps!! That was no mean achievement!
Congrats to Obama too. He conducted a very clean campaign concentrating only on issues despite many distracters!! He's got so much potential.
I wish and hope both Hillary and Obama will join hands now to win the GE in November! That is the best present they can give to the whole world!!!
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Post by einstein on Jun 4, 2008 21:08:19 GMT 3
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Post by adongo23456 on Jun 4, 2008 21:49:47 GMT 3
I watched the event and listened to that speech yesterday and I like the part where he asked John McCain to visit American cities more than he visits Iraq and figure out what ails Americans. That hit John McCain like a ton of bricks. John McCain is going to learn what Hillary Clinton learned the hard way. Obama thinks on his feet and every time you attack him like John McCain counting the number of times since Obama last visited Iraq, Obama will turn that same rungu upside down and clobber him right back. That is the genius of the man. You attack him at your own risk.
And then the McCain fiasco with the GI bill which is supposed to offer American soldiers full time scholarships after three years in service. McCain voted against the bill and George Bush has promised to veto it. McCain says the bill if passed would lead to more soldiers quiting the army to go to college. Nonsense.
Studies have shown about 16% would quit, but the same studies indicate another 16% will join for the same reason. The hideous part of this is that McCain is telling the soldiers that we love and you are great patriots fighting for your country and what you believe in but we don't trust you.
McCain wants to lock up soldiers in the army by denying them opportunities elsewhere. All veteran groups support the bill and McCain in a moment of anger said he cannot listen to Obama lecturing him about what is good for American soldiers because Obama has never been in uniform. That is petty and ridiculous. The nice part about this is that Obama is taking on McCain in his own territory. It is going to be a ride.
The elephant in the tent right now is of course whether Hillary Clinton should be Obama's running mate. I think it makes sense and I have suggested it before but I think Hillary is ruining everything by demanding it. You cannot force a presidential candidate to choose you as a running mate unless you do not understand the word "choice". And then Bill Clinton going on a tirade against Obama the other day doesn't help either. But the running mate issue is key to Obama's victory in November. Let's roll.
adongo
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Post by politicalmaniac on Jun 4, 2008 22:58:06 GMT 3
AO Hillary is poisoning the well, she wont be the Veep. Already her supporters are using 'bad' racist language when calling the Majority whip of hte Dem party Clyburn. And he is incensed.
Also there are many videos on Youtube detailing how Hillary said that Obama has not crossed the 'threshold' of bieng the Prez.
How then in Gods good world do you deputize a man who you have said has NOT crossed the threshold for being commander in chief?
Hillary made very many stupid comments that preclude her being chosen as veep. She wont be, esp with Cariline Kennedy as part of the search/vet team. Remember her uncle has already vetoed the idea and so has Pres JCarter!
She wont be veep.
On mcCain: Obama also had a quote about mcCain in his speech, about mcCain not honoring Obama's service despite Obama honoring his. This will then raise the issue and I bet that mcCain will be asked, "Does Obama have a tract record worthy of being Prez?" He will be forced to answer YES just as Hillary was forced to answer 'Yes Yes Yes, Obama is qualified to be Prez during a debate"
I mean mcCain will have to explain just what he means when he says Obama has 'no experience/not qualified' etc to be Prez. That line by Obama was smart and will smoke out mcCain and he will be forced to acknowledge that Obama is indeed qualified, and this will blunt his rationale for running!
The campaign will be then conducted on a 'change' platform, a terrrain that Obama owns.
Change wins over "experience" anytime the Nation is at crossroads. Gen kegs de othaya can tell you a thing or two about that.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Jun 4, 2008 23:05:34 GMT 3
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Post by politicalmaniac on Jun 4, 2008 23:47:20 GMT 3
Jukwaaists Report your impressions on mcCain's speech Must See youtube clip!! ;D
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Post by einstein on Jun 5, 2008 1:08:07 GMT 3
Jukwaaists Report your impressions on mcCain's speech Must See youtube clip!! ;D PM, Thanks for that! I actually wanted to post McCain's speech as well for comparison, but somehow I got overwhelmed by Obama's speech. McCain, going by his speech, cannot be serious unless Americans are really dumb-heads!! I'm sorry!!!
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Post by Titchaz on Jun 5, 2008 2:56:59 GMT 3
Jukwaaists Report your impressions on mcCain's speech Must See youtube clip!! ;D PM, Thanks for that! I actually wanted to post McCain's speech as well for comparison, but somehow I got overwhelmed by Obama's speech. McCain, going by his speech, cannot be serious unless Americans are really dump-heads!! I'm sorry!!! Guess what Einsteen...sometimes they are! That explains how Bush won the elections over both Al Gore and John Kerry!Right now there are people(and a big number) who wont vote for Obama just because he is black!
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Post by einstein on Jun 5, 2008 12:35:37 GMT 3
PM, Thanks for that! I actually wanted to post McCain's speech as well for comparison, but somehow I got overwhelmed by Obama's speech. McCain, going by his speech, cannot be serious unless Americans are really dump-heads!! I'm sorry!!! Guess what Einsteen...sometimes they are! That explains how Bush won the elections over both Al Gore and John Kerry!Right now there are people(and a big number) who wont vote for Obama just because he is black! Titchaz, That is what Germans refer to as "die amerikanische Tragödie" which translates to "the American tragedy"!!!! I hope they will get it right this time. They are lucky because everyday is another chance to get it right!! Thank God for that!!!
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