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Post by nereah on Nov 29, 2009 19:47:51 GMT 3
Kenya MPS Lobby Over Plot to Censure PM The war between Prime Minister Raila Odinga and his critics is set to move to Parliament as MPs plan a motion of censure against him. Consultations are at an advanced stage among MPs from the three leading political parties to pass a vote of confidence in the PM, Konoin MP Julius Kones claimed on Sunday. Dr Kones said MPs dissatisfied with the premier’s leadership would present to the National Assembly Speaker Kenneth Marende a notice of vote of no confidence against Mr Odinga in the next 14 days. The MPs are mainly drawn from ODM, PNU and ODM-K. Source: www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/814368/-/vnhury/-/index.htmlMiguna Miguna is quoted in one of todays dailies with lucid arguement. 1. PM and Kibaki were signatories to the National Accord and a successful vote against the PM in the House means end of the current parliament. 2. As things stands, there is no alternative to the PM given that the only recognised opposition party is one man Jirongo Party. 3.That ousting Agwambo from party leadership in ODM is untenable given the party constitutional immunity that gaurantees him full term stint.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Nov 29, 2009 19:54:11 GMT 3
Where is MMs take?
These MPs are so foolish and bloody stupid. The PMs post was not as a result of them voting him in but of the NARA accords. wont the Govt be dissolved if R leaves? or what? Perhaps they want a snap election during this moment of crises to subvert Ocampo
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Post by kaburwo on Nov 29, 2009 19:56:49 GMT 3
Biwott, I agree people must be treated humanely.But why do you place the burden or RAO´s shoulders? After all the following ministries are all involved: 1. Special Pro grammes 2 Wildlife 3 Environment 4 Finance All the above are not ministries in the ODM side of the coalition. RAO is the co-coordinator but he can do little if Naomi Shaaban is not doing her thing right. She is responsible for the resettlement but she ain't doing that. Why? Mzee, Nice question and disambiguation. Now, isn't it just because they are politicizing the Mau conservation? Just think of it. KShs 5m translates to KSh 1000/- per family. How long can a grand sustain a family by the roadside? Naomi Shaban is being economical with the truth, she FAILED to cater for the departing families. By the way, those families were heeding the advice, nay demand, of Noah Wekesa's ministry's Kenya Forestry Service....an entity we might never have heard of until this last one month and half. -Kaburwo-
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Post by nereah on Nov 29, 2009 20:02:46 GMT 3
pole people, here is miguna's take.I am still prawling the web for the link
1. pm and kibaki were signatories to the national accord and a successful vote against the pm in the House means end of the current parliament.
2. As things stands, there is no alternative to the pm given that the only recognised opposition party is one man jirongo's party.
3.That ousting agwambo from party leadership in odm is untenable given the party constitutional immunity that gaurantees him full term stint.
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Post by nereah on Nov 29, 2009 20:11:41 GMT 3
there seems to be a glitch with my comp. it keeps directing me to a wrong news link.but here is the standard story below and the link as captured by google. The Standard | Online Edition :: Raila versus Ruto: Who will win ...28 Nov 2009 ... Whether they like it, they will be stuck with this reality," charges Miguna. But ODM MPs opposed to Raila argue that Raila signed the Accord ...www.eastandard.net/InsidePage.php?id=1144029261&cid... - 22 hours ago
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Post by biwott on Nov 29, 2009 20:15:51 GMT 3
Where is MMs take? These MPs are so foolish and bloody stupid. The PMs post was not as a result of them voting him in but of the NARA accords. wont the Govt be dissolved if R leaves? or what? Perhaps they want a snap election during this moment of crises to subvert Ocampo You are quite right, people on the Waki list are in a state of panic and would rather have chaos prevail in the country than to be arrested and appear infront of the ICC Judges. Raila was not very tactfull in dealing with the Mau--look at the political repercussions.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Nov 29, 2009 20:27:31 GMT 3
Raila was not very tactfull in dealing with the Mau--look at the political repercussions. Time will tell aisee, the saga is just starting. R has yet to loose a meaningful war, he has lost skirmishes here and there but those had no consequence whatsoever. Like the PNU/Muite coup in the PSC over the Katiba, etc. Sometimes he has made what looked like bone headed choices that stunned folks who love him dearly, like the KANU-NDP marriage. Even his OWN brother Oburu and die hard supporters like me were against that one. I still haven't forgiven him for that. At that time he was said to be "not tactful" too. But I get your drift, your alleged 'concern'. Its just that I don't give a frickin' hoot about concern trolls. I have ZERO tolerance for needlers, fixing to prick a soft spot in my bubble to deflate my spirits. I wish him well. I wish R all the best. May the spirits be with him. If I need to loose a limb so R gets to fix this fncked up Nation I am ready. The man is so inspirational that his detractors cant understand the devotion he inspires in Wenye nchi. And therein lies the problem with his detractors, haters and concern trolls. They are filled with petty Jealousy, for NO OTHER POLITICIAN has such a devoted platoon of supporters who only wish the Nation well. Name one! Get behind me....(finish the sentence)
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Post by nereah on Nov 30, 2009 9:18:48 GMT 3
i think agwambo's handlers may have decided its now game.
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Post by mzee on Nov 30, 2009 9:53:07 GMT 3
Raila was not very tactfull in dealing with the Mau--look at the political repercussions. Time will tell aisee, the saga is just starting. R has yet to loose a meaningful war, he has lost skirmishes here and there but those had no consequence whatsoever. Like the PNU/Muite coup in the PSC over the Katiba, etc. Sometimes he has made what looked like bone headed choices that stunned folks who love him dearly, like the KANU-NDP marriage. Even his OWN brother Oburu and die hard supporters like me were against that one. I still haven't forgiven him for that. At that time he was said to be "not tactful" too. But I get your drift, your alleged 'concern'. Its just that I don't give a frickin' hoot about concern trolls. I have ZERO tolerance for needlers, fixing to prick a soft spot in my bubble to deflate my spirits. I wish him well. I wish R all the best. May the spirits be with him. If I need to loose a limb so R gets to fix this fncked up Nation I am ready. The man is so inspirational that his detractors cant understand the devotion he inspires in Wenye nchi. And therein lies the problem with his detractors, haters and concern trolls. They are filled with petty Jealousy, for NO OTHER POLITICIAN has such a devoted platoon of supporters who only wish the Nation well. Name one! Get behind me....(finish the sentence) PM, Niko nawe. These KANU diehards think that we have forgotten 24 years of pain and suffering under them. Please tell me another.
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Post by kamalet on Nov 30, 2009 19:31:36 GMT 3
Miguna Miguna is quoted in one of todays dailies with lucid arguement. 1. PM and Kibaki were signatories to the National Accord and a successful vote against the PM in the House means end of the current parliament. 2. As things stands, there is no alternative to the PM given that the only recognised opposition party is one man Jirongo Party. 3.That ousting Agwambo from party leadership in ODM is untenable given the party constitutional immunity that gaurantees him full term stint. I keep warning about Miguna's interpretation of the Law if he has been quoted correctly. He knows there is no requirement for a new parliament should the PM be thrown out of office by parliament. Th first schedule of NARA clearly says that the PM and the DPM's can only be removed if the National Assembly passes a vote of no confidence with a majority vote.
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Post by nereah on Dec 1, 2009 21:48:44 GMT 3
so what brings kofi annan to town? what could it really be?
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Post by Dumekenya on Dec 4, 2009 11:25:03 GMT 3
The misbehavior of some mps could be the possible reason
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Post by nereah on Dec 4, 2009 16:01:38 GMT 3
been reading kofi's lips carefully.
he is consulting broadly. will be in kenya until next tuesday. for a man this busy,this latest leg of duty tour is instructive.
if you ask me,the rumble in odm and possible fallout may have triggered annan's diplomatic foray.
chances are that someone at number 10 downing street or most probably 1600 pennsylvania avenue and maybe in brussels,may have been alarmed by intelligence briefing on the implication of the emerging ideological faultline in odm on kenya's stability.
then kibaki was possibly reached by phone but when taken to task quipped: mimi sina makosa. uliza raira. odm ndiyo ina pigana wenyewe. na hiyo ni upumbavu...!
perhaps thats why odm's high command is flying its mps and party stalwarts to coast for a retreat.
my reading of this is that raila may have been given an earful by obama,international community among them eu-- on the need for political stability.my theory is that raila was reminded of the need for house keeping given than odm's partner in coalition pnu was relatively calm.
the slanging match ruto&co wanted to engage raila would cast odm as the weakest link in the coalition whose stability obama's administration and the rest of the powerful west have invested heavily on.
i am saying that kofi's surprise return,ahead of the rest of eminent persons-graca machel and mkapa-is no coincidence to the development in orange hse.
millions of shillings spent on the retreat is worth the trouble if you ask me for ruto is not a signatory to the national accord but raila is which in effect means the buck stops at agwambo's desk. this is why he has launched a diplomatic offensive--inviting all and sundry in odm leadership for a healing retreat in mombasa.
i also read his bold statement that no one will be sacked in this light.
my view ( and i may be wrong as usual) is that the mombasa retreat is being held with annan in mind and its outcome ought to embolden raila in the eye of the diplomatic community.he would have done his part.
party mandarins who wont toe the line after the retreat would be deemed to be saboteurs who would predictably be slapped with travel bans.
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Post by phil on Dec 4, 2009 17:45:24 GMT 3
Interesting take.
It’s been announced and it is well known that those who subvert reforms will be personally targeted with visa bans and ‘other forms of punishment’. But as you can see from the Amos Wako or even the Chris Murungaru incidents have little effect on tackling this problem.
I think this retreat by ODM, whether influenced by diplomatic community or not, is long overdue.
Ongera’s SMS explains the retreat is all about discussing the recent harmonised draft and announcing a common position.
However, the Tononoka rally is something else. It could be the last nail on Balala’s political coffin.
The PM has lined up critical meetings coastal business people, councillors and MPs. The Tononoka rally is to have the PM personally and directly engage with the coastal ODMer.
This is going on amidst stories emerging that Balala’s problem with the party leader stems from the period councillors were being nominated to civic bodies. Balala apparently wanted his wife to be nominated to the Mombasa Municipal Council and handed the mayoral seat ‘unopposed’ a request that RAO promptly turned down . From then on, relations between the two leaders nose dived even as corruption allegations continued to resurface at the tourism ministry which Balala heads.
What’s more, Balala has shown open defiance and disrespect to the party higher hierarchy threatening to break away with the Muslim vote which he claims credit for.
Balala has been the only one ODM MP to have directly spoken in unkind words towards the party leader. You can see that the Ruto people have not really used strong words to describe the PM or his politics, unlike Balala who see’s the PM as having no political future. The rally is really to bid this former Orange stalwart ‘goodbye’ and announce a new direction for coastal politics.
Regarding the harmonised draft constitution, the coastals have been strong proponents of a majimbo system of government and have even threatened to secede should they not get what they want. ODM does not wish to lose this important constituency. The PM is in coast to be in sync with coastal and get their unequivocal support for the harmonised draft.
To underline the seriousness by which the party (or its backers) take this retreat, there’s a charter jet waiting to uplift ODM MPs and members of the NEC to Mombasa. Not only is the constitution agenda the most important item on the ODM to-do list, but the party also currently finds itself at crossroads.
That’s as far as ODM goes.
On the other hand, the failure of kenya’s reform process will be deemed in international quarters as a failure of Koffi Annan’s leadership of the reconciliation process. A success while be vice versa. It is in Koffi’s interest that Agenda4 is completed without hitch as it will be a huge boost on his diplo-CV. It is important to note that this visit comes on the eve of ICC’s decision to allow the Kenya investigations by Ocampo.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Dec 4, 2009 18:04:18 GMT 3
phil Thanks for this piece. On a silly note, How can mrs Balala want to be given the Mayors post, when whe is in buibui full time? I mean no one apart from Mr, has seen this lady face! Yet she wants to be mayor, just like that?
On a serious note what experience, what does she have that could benefit sisi wa pwani? Thats my adopted home town and I have not seen nor heard her give a single idea about how she proposes to improve the lives of wa kosti.
I look forward to this meeting and phil, you got your wish, it seems. Perhaps some house cleaning is in order?
nereah interesting take.
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Post by nereah on Dec 6, 2009 12:12:20 GMT 3
In reference to Sunday’s rally Mr Odinga said: “Tomorrow, all of Kenya will be in Mombasa and you will all see the face of Kenya. We know where we are coming from and we are sure we will get where we are going. We have no fear and we will not be shaken. We came from Egypt, through Mt Sinai to Canaan and some people want to take us back,” he said.source: www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/-/1064/818074/-/wu667uzmambasa mpo! Ab-Titchaz wa Kisauni na wezangu, any updates?
meanwhile, one mutahi ngunyi derides agwambo claiming his goose is cooked and dismisses him as slow punctured revolutionary, a caustic derision once hurled at odinga senior by retired justice kwach,then a mere advocate. elsewhere ruto is 'pleading' with kalenjins for forgiveness for misleading them into voting raila in 2007 elections. a straw man's argument, i would say. meanwhile i gather from ntv news that ngilu is seeking to reconcile ruto and raila, a useless mission if you ask me. watch this space!
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Post by Titchaz on Dec 6, 2009 17:44:18 GMT 3
Prime Minister Raila Odinga (left) addressing Coast ODM leaders in Mombasa on December 5, 2009 The faces in the picture tell it all. .."They are feeling Agwambo!" Balala's fate is sealed in this quagmire of things. Awamu hii atajuta kwa nini kaziliwa mwarabu!
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Post by Titchaz on Dec 6, 2009 18:29:21 GMT 3
ODM holds rally at Tononoka grounds Prime Minister Raila Odinga acknowledges greetings from ODM supporters as he arrived at the Tononoka grounds for the ODM rally. By LUCAS BARASA Posted Sunday, December 6 2009 at 13:30 The Orange Democratic Movement on Sunday afternoon held a public rally at Mombasa's Tononoka grounds, the backyard of Tourism minister Najib Balala. Prior to the Tononoka rally, Mr Odinga held a breakfast meeting with ODM MPs and other Coast leaders who are crucial in campaigning for him at the grassroots. Apart from Kisauni MP Ali Hassan Joho who played a crucial role in organising Mr Odinga’s three days visit at the Coast, others present were Cabinet minister Amason Kingi, Ramadhan Kajembe and Calist Mwatela. Others were Gideon Mungaro (Malindi MP), Thomas Mwadeghu (Wundanyi) and Omar Zonga. On Saturday evening Mr Odinga paraded the Coast MPs and Mombasa Mayor Ahmed Mohdhar as his point men in the province as he fights to consolidate his support in the region. ODM garnered 13 out 21 parliamentary seats in Coast Province in the last general election and the pro-Raila MPs said the party could have scooped all the seats if it were not for Mr Balala. The leaders accused Mr Balala of playing divisive politics, being a poor grassroots mobiliser and a lone ranger. Following the Balala-Raila fall out, Mr Joho who enjoys a huge network at the grassroots, is now being seen as Mr Odinga’s pointman in the region.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Dec 6, 2009 19:34:09 GMT 3
[/b] meanwhile, one mutahi ngunyi derides agwambo claiming his goose is cooked and dismisses him as slow punctured revolutionary, a caustic derision once hurled at odinga senior by retired justice kwach,then a mere advocate.[/size] [/quote] Wachana na Ngunyi the oft wrong rarely right mafian pundit. Occasionally when he gets pangs of angst and worry he castigates the mafia for their bold "leadership" style that segregates the Gemans from the rest. He is one of the few gema scribes who occasionally calls out the incredibly stupid remarks of the mt kenya mafia - "like the "Presdency is ours" sh!t. He however tries to be like CNN, pushing the idea that he is non partisan, when we know he is paid for hook line and sinker. He looking for holes - mostly non existent, in Rs strategy, persona and work ethic. He is trying to cut down R to size and level him off at the water line reached by kina DR CM, the beefy sweaty thief from nyeri - how did he become a billionaire overnight? Or the oft irrational kiraitu - this guy is so ridiculous, you never know whats gonna come out of that mouth of his that shrubs like a grate on a metal plate. Mara he has the Rs back, mara he is sticking a knife in him. Pumbaff.
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Post by nereah on Dec 6, 2009 20:38:40 GMT 3
this is good. www.kbc.co.ke/story.asp?ID=61369in summary, ruto beats a retreat in kakamega ngilu still at reconciliation mood. odm galvanise coast can anyone post the pictures here please.
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Post by tnk on Dec 6, 2009 22:45:04 GMT 3
this is good. www.kbc.co.ke/story.asp?ID=61369in summary, ruto beats a retreat in kakamega ngilu still at reconciliation mood. odm galvanise coast can anyone post the pictures here please. nereah i think the KTN youtube clips suffice for this rally in tononoka fund raising in kakamega i think ruto is playing it very smart face value, there is a conflict of opinion, but the party is still in one piece. bone of contention being the plight of mau IDPs or GDPs unfortunately govt mobilisation process is at least 2 years, ruto has been in govt before and knows this. whoever gave that eviction process a 3 month turn around period was just playing politicis and totally ignored the reality that govt wheels take time to move. am curious to see Balala's reaction, he will need to visit coast without ruto. lets see what he says
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Post by okhunyanye on Dec 7, 2009 0:57:13 GMT 3
am curious to see Balala's reaction, Apparently Balala was also calling for halftime in the game of 'mpira' that both he and Ruto started. Tononoka spoke volumes. I await to see how the two rutos et al., will spin the mammoth crowd that ODM drew along the coast. Speaking of which, what is Franklin Bett upto? Mara he is with Tinga, mara against him. Glad to see he finally showed up at Tononoka - making the number of Kale ministers, 3.
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Post by Titchaz on Dec 7, 2009 1:15:35 GMT 3
this is good. www.kbc.co.ke/story.asp?ID=61369in summary, ruto beats a retreat in kakamega ngilu still at reconciliation mood. odm galvanise coast can anyone post the pictures here please. Prime Minister Raila Odinga, atop his car, acknowledges greetings from ODM supporters as he arrived at the Tononoka grounds for the much awaited ODM rally. Photo by Gideon Maundu.
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Post by Titchaz on Dec 7, 2009 1:18:48 GMT 3
Kisauni MP Hassan Joho (front right) escorts Prime Minister Raila Odinga (left) for a luncheon hosted in his honour at the Mombasa Wild Waters Park before he proceeded to the ODM rally at the Tononoka grounds
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Post by tnk on Dec 7, 2009 1:56:05 GMT 3
tichaz i stand corrected, those pictures speak a million words
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