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Post by shifta on Jan 21, 2010 23:09:02 GMT 3
nereah:
This mongrel has to go back to CoE first and then we will see how the full parliament decides by 2/3 before it goes back to wananchi. There is a long process to go. As Job stated elsewhere, a US presidential system is ok as long as there is true devolution with regions, equivalent to US States. But not the said joke. Bado mapambano.
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Post by mzee on Jan 22, 2010 13:49:32 GMT 3
nereah: This mongrel has to go back to CoE first and then we will see how the full parliament decides by 2/3 before it goes back to wananchi. There is a long process to go. As Job stated elsewhere, a US presidential system is ok as long as there is true devolution with regions, equivalent to US States. But not the said joke. Bado mapambano. I thought that the parliament passes the mongrel with only 50 and not 75%? Correct me if Im wrong.
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Post by Dumekenya on Jan 22, 2010 19:30:12 GMT 3
I don't have problem with presidential system inline with US model. This way with proper devolution to the county and senate reps the checks and balances will come automatically as the county govt s will be running their own affairs and the central govt where the executive reside will be overseeing the progress and developments there in. In this case corruption will be curbed in the sense that the funds meant for regional development will have few hops to go through hence few people will be held responsible in case of mishandling. Likewise the donor funds and aid will be injected directly to the county and hence the governors will be required to account for every shilling allocated.
Also competition among the counties will enhance rapid development and i believe Kenya with the help of our big brother America will make a tremendous economic achievement. I believe Us will be happy to make sure that a govt model emulating them succeeds to also add marks to their ever gospel of good governance. The Model does not give room for imperial presidency, in actual sense here the president is checket from all conners and it is not easy for one to misuse the office. To me I think AS Kenyans we need to give this model a short and ofcourse ammendments will be put in place as we find clauses which are unworkable just as Americans have been doing in their constitution which is more that a century and half old.
Come on guys PNU have not won they have only been beaten intheir own game by the PSC. I congratulate ODM brigade for the brilliant and brave thought. Bravo guys.
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Post by nereah on Jan 23, 2010 12:43:26 GMT 3
pm,shifta,mzee,pablo and others,
please help me understand what this standard reportage is all about www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000001542&cid=4&ttl=Why%20ODM%20went%20presidentialis it a face saving media spin cleverly executed by orange house or is it the true reading of odm posture,and if so, does odm have some explanation to do to kenyans who are pro-parliamentary system and who had counted on it for its realisation? agwambo is commissioning road project in southern nyanza today.cant wait to hear his take on this confusion. pm, am i not vindicated by my conspiracy theory that either way-presidential or parliamentary, is good for odm? kweli, siasa ni moto moto
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Post by mzee on Jan 23, 2010 16:25:27 GMT 3
Nereah, I think that the above piece in Standard Newspaper is just but empty talk and an attempt to appease ODM. I really dont understand how the proposed system will eliminate the imperial presidency. This is Kenya a country in Africa we are talking about. I think its only South Africa and Botswana that have properly working institutions that can check the executive. Please just know we are going for a worse system than the one we have. Thats the truth. WACHA HAYA MAMBO YA DEVOLUTION, its all nonsense if one man at the top can rubbish them. Kweli wakenya wamekula huu.
I will be voting NO NO NO NO NO. Lets all vote NO to this mongrel.
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Post by Dumekenya on Jan 23, 2010 18:19:50 GMT 3
Mzee,
We need to understand one thing. If one fails to change then changes will always change them. Yes Kenya is an African country but we have good spirits within which ofcourse are facing alot of medicre opposition but that does not mean that we should detest a good thing just for the sake of being Africans.
Pure Presidential system of govt is a good recipe for Kenya being modeled in the US style the only difference will be in the levels of govt as in US we have National, federal, county and municpality but for our case we need to do away with the federal level and remain with National, regional and county. Let me tell you with clear separation of powers and operations from this levels the President will be forced to deal with issues nationally not ethnically or regionally. The regions will be incharge of their own affairs and this is the Ugatuzi we were talking about before 2007 elections. Let us be realistic. I know many of us in ODM would start thinking that PNU have caught us offguard, but beleive you me they are now confused, this was the last secret weapon for ODM and it seems to have clicked in a setpiece style. Sahizi ni lazima Uwe Mkenya shupavu na Uwe na Naibu wa Kishua ili uweze Kuongoza Kenya. Na kwa maoni hayo machache hebu wanajukwaa munieleze ni nani Katika Kenya Hii yetu anaweza Kufua Dafu............ Ni Kalonzo La asha, Ni Uhuru zero, Ni Ruto Nil Kwa hivyo mnaweza Kujijazia. Kelele za chura halimzuii Ngombe Kunywa Maji.
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Post by nereah on Jan 24, 2010 11:26:23 GMT 3
source:sunday standard online( www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000001603&cid=4& ) if orengo indeed made the above remarks---which curiously are slightly at variance with those of fellow psc member millie odhiambo---then does it mean that odm is half-hearted on the outcome of the psc's naivasha parley as leaked to the media? but to be fair to odm, the psc is yet to officially make public the outcome of its deliberation consistent with its legal mandate. it therefore means that between now and the moment psc chairman table the committee's report,there may be more twists and turns. media reports of obama's alleged direct interference in kenya's politicised deal making on katiba in the exclusion of the civil society and other key stakeholders doesnt amuse me at all. i find it suspect given its timing is, in my opinion, a red herring. if my memory serves me right, this katiba thing falls within the parameters of the kofi annan's team assignment.why would obama be the one making the call and not kofi who has chaperoned the two principals at the more critical time? give me a break! ati obama is going to finance the referendum? kwani obama is that rich and since when did he begin funding political exercises? i mean, by the time the coe was being established and even way before that, the treasury ought to have factored the referendum cost on its budget. this is politics, high octane politics and from orengo's assurance to the odm audience in homa-bay, the fat lady is yet to take on the stage.
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Post by tnk on Jan 24, 2010 12:12:36 GMT 3
source:sunday standard online( www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000001603&cid=4& ) if orengo indeed made the above remarks---which curiously are slightly at variance with those of fellow psc member millie odhiambo---then does it mean that odm is half-hearted on the outcome of the psc's naivasha parley as leaked to the media? but to be fair to odm, the psc is yet to officially make public the outcome of its deliberation consistent with its legal mandate. it therefore means that between now and the moment psc chairman table the committee's report,there may be more twists and turns. media reports of obama's alleged direct interference in kenya's politicised deal making on katiba in the exclusion of the civil society and other key stakeholders doesnt amuse me at all. i find it suspect given its timing is, in my opinion, a red herring. if my memory serves me right, this katiba thing falls within the parameters of the kofi annan's team assignment.why would obama be the one making the call and not kofi who has chaperoned the two principals at the more critical time? give me a break! ati obama is going to finance the referendum? kwani obama is that rich and since when did he begin funding political exercises? i mean, by the time the coe was being established and even way before that, the treasury ought to have factored the referendum cost on its budget. this is politics, high octane politics and from orengo's assurance to the odm audience in homa-bay, the fat lady is yet to take on the stage. nereah, sio kwa ubaya looks like someone wants us to look the other way. lets see what the PSC have actually said, too much sugar coating/damage control taking place right now, .... ati obama will financially support this.... give us a break. let the PSC just publish the text of the recommendations and we can evaluate for ourselves. hiyo utoto wa so and so like the recommendations is neither here nor there. the CoE, CKRC etc didnt have issues publishing their outcomes whether people liked it or not. it was out in the open. == for clarity adongo, job, mank, nereah and others have been at the forefront evaluating the pitfalls and success models of each scenario so this is not an affront to either of these jukwaaists, am just trying to understand why the PSC has suddenly in a matter of days got all the answers to issues that have bedeviled this country for decades.
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Post by nereah on Feb 2, 2010 18:12:20 GMT 3
william ruto, according to nairobi's media, sought to steal thunder on agwambo's forthcoming tour of masaailand by gracing a smaller version of major masaai cultural event where the maa will honour agwambo as the guest.
and as if thats not enough, ruto the william is reportedly scheming to counterfeit raila's political wizardry by hosting kibaki for lunch at his sugoi home in eldoret. according to the political gossip in the media,this will be the culmination of ruto-kibaki tour of rift-valley in which kibaki will reportedly do the kkk bidding on mau and all that.
kalonzo and uhuru,are, according to those who claim to know, to be in the entourage. ruto's lapdog, kutuny is quoted admitting that this was their(read ruto's) strategy to outsmart raila for the big prize.
and while still mulling on the import of this siasa moto moto, the usual suspects were back again in the news stable, this time with more juicy gossip.
first, was that pnu strong man, george the saitoti, has entered some political transaction with agwambo;that he would be rallying his provincial constituency behind agwambo after odm's top command reportedly talked saitoti's political headache, one ole saikuda into dropping the election petition against the professor. laikuda has incidentally landed a lucractive job in a parastatal under pnu mandarin kiraitu's ministry.
saitoti's change of heart,according to nairobi's premier political gossip sheet, is informed by the realisation that kenya is not ready for another kikuyu president after the expiry of kibaki's political shelf life in 2012.
secondly the mainstream media is overdrive on agwambo's planned foray in central.we, the readers, are informed that uhuru is set to spend magana million10 in a pre-emptive strike. the son of jomo is reportedly planning to spend the money in hosting councillors in greater muranga/kiambu to counter the njamba's growing influence. those who claim to know have it that uhuru and mps sympathetic to him are on a panic mode.one of uhuru's allies,a greenhorn in bunge,was accusing agwambo of political tourism in regard to the planned visit to central.
he(raila) was in news today recieving a delegation of kanjulas from what the media has made kenya to believe is uhuru's backyard. the councillors had visited raila's at his treasury office to fix date for agwambo's tour of central.
a week ago, one of the papers said agwambo's handlers among them our miguna miguna were in eldoret laying stage for his planned political visit in rift-valley.
also worth noting is odm's surprise decision to embrace pnu driven demand(system) on executive and devolution during the naivasha psc retreat.
the media gossip has it that odm gave in because it was a divided house and ruto the william who incidentally seconded the presidential system clause amendment,was seeking sweet revenge on agwambo over the mau.
if this was true, then ruto's camp had miscalculated.they may have thought that raila's odm would walk-out in a huff and engage kibaki in public tiff and in the process cash in hence the planned inivitation of kibaki to rift-valley(ati to plant tree in mau).
but it turn out that by backing the key pnu demand to the chagrin of odm supporters, some of them jukwaa's leading lights, odm has effectively neutralised ruto the william.
and then there is the emergence of maina njenga and the recent peace rally in eldoret.
i call this approach of tackling the ruto nuisance as containment strategy. it is a sound strategy that diminishes the relevance of ruto but more significantly his kkk backers.
the focus shifts to the essential house of mumbi where the elites and the peasants are increasingly closing ranks in what i can only deduce as a fresh awakening.
my thoughts.
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Post by mzee on Feb 2, 2010 19:04:05 GMT 3
Nereah, You really bring siasa moto in this moto thread every now and again. You seem to have your ears to the ground. I think that RAO has the man you call William the Ruto (WSR) where he wants him. You see, in boxing you don’t just wait to counter attack, you attack, period. That’s how you win. Those who are conversant with the lovely art of karate which I have practiced close to 25 years understand that, you are likely to deliver a knockout blow when the opponent is chasing you all over the place thinking that you are vulnerable. So when you see Ruto the William copycating everything Agwambo does then you all of a sudden realize that the man and co have no own ideas. Sooner or later he will run into a sucker punch.
Ruto should develop his own strategy and tactics to achieve his aim of being prezzi or helping Uhuru to be the same. He cannot rely on running helter skelter whenever Agwambo makes a small move.
I think that WSR has simply realized that the so called kalenjin vote will not be enough to propel him to the house on the hill. Besides not all kales agree with his tactics and that must be a worry. He must be worried that inspite of an all out assault on RAO he is yet to get a grip of the kale vote leave alone RVP. What about his alliance with the Uhuru, Balala and Kalonzo? I understand that Balala has already got cold feet having seen Agwambo mania in the coast province. Charity Ngilu is becoming more and more popular in Ukambani and Judas won’t be any match come 2012.
Uhuru must be a worried fellow given that Agwambo is eroding his popularity in his own backyard. Peter Kenneth is also giving the Kenyatta son a run for his money. Will the 10 million suffice to erode ODM´s continued grip on part of the central Kenya vote?
The romance between Mr. arap Moi and the former Mungiki leader Njenga Maina is a clear indication of how far the KKK has panicked. Its looks as if Mr. arap Moi has been enlisted to make sure that RAO does not further erode into the kikuyu territory through Njenga via Hon Bishop Wanjiru. But will this be enough?
I think that RAO has even upstaged WSR by assuming ownership of the Naivasha agreement. I saw RAO`s interview in which he said that the “pure” prezzi system was an ODM invention and not PANU as many are made to believe. That alone has taken thunder away from Ruto as the inventor of the same.
One thing I know is that there is no longer any need to appease WSR. He has made up his mind. I don’t think he will change. No need for thinking that he is part of the ODM fraternity anymore. The very last campaign billboard that RAO had in his stolen victory in 2007 read “TUSONGE MBELE” and that’s what we should do as ODM, with or without WSR.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Feb 2, 2010 19:41:50 GMT 3
he he
So here we are dismayed about the pure "Prezi" system that ODM has capitulated to, and R according to mzee above says its an ODM invention? What is R smoking? Can he specify when where and how this idea was conceived in the ODM womb and borne?
Hi ni siasa tupu
Perhaps its a pure tactical retreat, this ODM capitulation, but R may be seeing far given nereah's juicy stories above.
If I read it correctly, as per nereah, then this is political jujitsu at its best. On one hand Miguna is saying one thing, but on the other hand R has decided to go with the PNU version of Katiba. That means that there is no wedge to divide ODM.
Now, what going on in Central? Are the mafians in panick? Has the Overton window shifted as per my predictions? Have the masses in Central started seeing the light, and begun making decisions on the basis of who is best for the job, and now who is my tribesman? If the Gemans can for once spank the mafia from central, and support R, that would be a watershed event for real. It would mark the final nail in the coffin of divide and rule, 'kehee this and that', 'The presidency is ours' bullsh!t that has served the likes of jomo jnr, the sloth wa othaya nyeri, DR CM, kiraitu, and other such repugnant mafians, so well in the past. It would also nick in the bud, any Judas KM like fellas, or opportunists like ruto plans'. Let meritocracy rule!
As usual R moves perplex many, annoy many like me who love him to death, but it usually works out.
There are many way to skin the ruthless greedy corrupt tribalistic mafian bunch from central, who have driven this country into the pits. The mafians and their quislings, kina Judas KM, Kombo, Wetangula, etc.
Damn these idiots.
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Post by nereah on Feb 12, 2010 14:55:19 GMT 3
the star is today selling the story that odm is rejecting the psc deal in naivasha. interesting.
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Post by phil on Feb 12, 2010 17:38:40 GMT 3
the star is today selling the story that odm is rejecting the psc deal in naivasha. interesting. Can we all say AMEN! That is a party leadership that has its fingers on the pulse of its members. And to the surprise of KKK, it is Rift Valley ODM delegates who are pushing for the rejection of the PSC draft, notwithstanding that it is their purported political leader who proposed what was adopted. I tell you siasa ni ngumu. Boardroom politics where the fattest chequebook carries the day is quite different from what goes on in the ground. Nereah, keep an eye on what happens in Nakuru tomorrow. ODM top brass will be there, except the guilty who are afraid of being booed..... And it is RAO who will announce the bombshell. Those words will be directed to the committee of experts who must either do the needful or brace for a defeat at the referendum. The CoE have incidentally called a crisis meeting with some members of the PSC after getting wind of ODM's resolutions. ODM wanted parliamentary system. But now what was proposed is far worse than what exists. Miguna's words have come to pass. You can not fool all the people all the time. Lets wait and see kesho.
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Post by mzee on Feb 12, 2010 17:57:25 GMT 3
Brother Phil and sister Nereah, These are great times for kenya. There seemed to be some kind of conspiracy to mutilate the draft beyond recognition. After the butchers of Naivasha were through with it, other hyenas sensing blood went wild in support of the same document. Others like the civil society went dead kabisa. That ODM has finally seen the light is a great thing. Its even greater that the push is coming from RVP Mps. All kenyans are waiting for RAO´s word and leadership on this issue. The other one (duri erected), is what he has always been so nobody cares. Let them give us a better proposal or else its going to be a NO at the referendum. I dont want a half baked constitution simply because we have been yearning for it for the past 20 years. We cannot afford to suffer from fatigue at this moment in history. Curiously enough I saw a recent NTV clip in which WSR was proposing a YES YES vote. It got me wondering why he did not mention that in Naivasha. Kumbe kuna siasa moto
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Post by nereah on Feb 15, 2010 15:50:46 GMT 3
good move by raila, the only ramifications of his actions is a weaker ODM. he has lost the kalenjin vote and part of the kisii vote but he gains points in the war against corruption. I wonder why raila does not fight the mt. Kenya mafia with the same tenacity he uses to fight ruto? Anyway raila will still be rigged out in 2012, and this time there will be no protests, demonstrations or riots. biwott? respect! i did not want to pollute the brilliant thread by our luoldeng with extraneous issues and thats why i chose to give my response in this long running thread. now, your assessment of agwambo fits well with the media constructs and the framing in bar talks, foras like this and even newspaper columns. i want to disagree. as another respected jukwaa member pointed out to you-- presidency is not a matter of life and death for raila. let me repeat: IT IS NOT A MUST THAT RAILA BECOME PRESIDENT OF KENYA and any anti-raila calculus based on this is best flush down the loo. we, who believe in him and have continued to follow his ideological course knows too well that the presidency,if he clinches it, will be a happenstance.please hang your coat on this. you see, the raila i know is in this business of making kenya right for a legitimate reason. what we in odm are out to change is the impunity as is now being demonstrated by a pnu minister who is still issuing gazette notices and sacking people when he should be home making amends with his electorate;we are against a scenerio where the perceptibly corrupt are send on three months holiday and then back to business as usual;we want to fix the rot in governance,public morality and nation state. we want leadership that inspire the nation into greatness. we want a situation like in japan where people entrusted with state resources and public offices would rather take their own life than get away with corruption. now you see kibaki issuing orders from state hse and no one, not even you can demand answers from him because he doesnt attend bunge nor engage with the electorate via tv/radio talk shows,briefings etc. the talk doing round in nairobi is that kibaki's pnu camp never imagined nor believed that raila would let go his ps leave alone omondi caroli.i think it was enigma or pablo who rightly point out in luoldeng's thread that kibaki and pnu continues to underrate raila and not vice versa as i hear some gang ho pnu apologists running their mouth. unbeknown to many, agwambo has options which his handlers have up their wraps.one of which i will tell you for free is that he can still actualize the dream of millions of kenyans who want a change they can believe in without his name on the presidential ballot. just as his detractors are out to sabotage his national agenda, let be be known that raila's national and global constituency can influence the outcome of future presidential elections and even how kenya is managed and run to the chagrin of those who are out to derail his effort.and this is what he was telling those who cared to listen when he addressed his odm supporters at the kalenjin heartland late last year.we,his supporters are alive to the fact that he does not necessarily have to stand for presidency and therefore those who are framing him or countenancing his moves along this plan are better off listening to sam fan thomas immutable rendition you must calculate. according to your observation, raila is selective in his battle on graft. you seems to have come to conclusion that he has somehow given up on the perceptibly corrupt from the mt kenya. i dont know where you get this idea from but it is disingenuous especially if you heard him say that he would not spare anyone even if it was his own brother. maybe i am wrong but remind me of any new corruption under agwambo's supervisory role that he has never spoken of? i am not aware that raila is fighting his deputy in odm so i am not competent to respond to that because you may have some valid grounds for that assertion. indeed i would be interested to know from you and anyone who hold this view why raila is fighting ruto and what he stands to gain by fighting the eldoret north mp. and on the odm. yes, siasa ni moto at chungwa house but lets put things in perspective. i stand to be corrected but tell me which party is stronger than odm in kenya today? can i know from you, which politician is more influential nationally in odm than raila? and how come it escapes your mind that odm is a people driven party; a party whose ideology is easily atomized at the grassroots? i am surprised that you are unable to see what odm under raila's leadership is upto lately. how can a party that is reaching out to the masses every other week be weak and weakend and if so, in comparison to what?odm is doing good with or without ruto.
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Post by mzee on Feb 17, 2010 14:08:21 GMT 3
Kweli Kabisa nereah, Presidency is not a matter of life and death. That point is well taken
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Post by nereah on Feb 17, 2010 19:50:50 GMT 3
najib, the balala-- best remembered for the tetea, raila tetea song--- broke his long silence earlier today with a rare bold statement telling off odm and even snipping at his party boss. he wants pentagon reactivated arguing it is odm's topmost decision making organ and ati raila is where he is today because of pentagon. and in tune with the ruto lapdogs, he sees no need for annan coming back to kenya arguing rather cheekily that all it takes is for raila to seek out kibaki and all will be well. earlier kibaki's advisor ,prof kivutha kibwana, led us into the mind and heart of pnu when he implied that raila is a good man but surrounded by bad advisor/s; that the problem in coalition now is from odm wing and is masterminded by pm's advisor/s. your guess is good as mind who this cheap shot was aimed at. pnu had its political fellowship at kicc,where its brass emerged to trumpet the propaganda that the coalition government would be doing just fine were it not for the ruto nuisance in odm. to quote kibwana, odm is exporting its internal problems into the coalition. lets just say he meant that the government is unstable because odm's fight on corruption has spilled over to the coalition government. this grandstanding and porojos makes for siasa moto moto this week. let’s start with odm and the ruto nuisance where things are now slowly adding up. we can now tell who is against corruption and who think this agenda is no priority. still we must ask: in whose interest is this porojo,kelele, fitina na siasa duni? we ask so because pnu want kenyans to believe that odm and not corruption is the archile heel of the current government; and there is also the misleading talk that odm is at its weakest and that somehow agwambo is as good as done. by sheer deductive reasoning, one can tell that the ruto camp is either knowingly or unwittingly doing the bidding of pnu and to be exact, the kkk wing of pnu. and when you talk of kkk wing of pnu, one man comes to mind. you find him in the answer to this question: who among the kkk's presidential aspirants stands to make the biggest political capital in the worst case scenerio where odm implodes,raila goes back to the people and ruto goose cooked? this must be a kkk figure who will be sold to the kkk constituency as a compromise candidate. the siasa moto moto bit of it is based on the erroneous assumption that agwambo and odm is at their lowest point having been publicly humiliated by kibaki who continues to make appointments without consultation or concurrence of his co-principal. we are now being told that kibaki and pnu will be just fine even if odm terminate the grand coalition:that the government wont collapse but will be merely constituted.of course we have heard this inanity from a notorious pnu apologist here in jukwaa. they must be told they are wrong and are headed for surprises should they terminate the coalition arrangement as per the NARA because he is agwambo. courtesy nationmediagroupruto's kkk optionsif i were the ruto group, this,as mzee points out elsewhere is the time to walk out of odm because there is a more genuine reason for the walk-out: suspension by raila. the next thing is to either stage a coup through the odm parliamentary team or the national executive where he arguably has some numbers but even an attempt would be a good score for him. the last siasa moto moto option if you ask me is for ruto and his lapdogs to frustrate the odm agenda in bunge and by extension the fight against corruption. they can close ranks-----as they have lately demonstrated in words and deeds--- with the kkk wing of the pnu to filibuster or flex their way depending on the motive and motivation of the parliamentary card. but wait a minute? the polokwane option is an uphill task that the ruto/balala odm camp cant successfully manage. maybe if they set up a parallel list of delegates, pocket the top odm officials as kalonzo group did with the original odm but still, that will be a miracle and miracles if you care to find out are rare this side of africa. ruto group are also banking their hope on fall-out between agwambo and kibaki which if you go by the latest statement agwambo made at a news conference in japan where he is on a mouth watering engagement for this country, is a pipe dream. the muranga trip(see roughrider's thread) is still on and the essential house of mumbi -- from the peasants to elites-- have a fresh awakening thanks to the historic initiative of the njeri kabebeeri led centre for multi party democracy that promoted those exchange visits among luo-kikuyus. fortunately the odm and agwambo are always a step ahead of the detractors as a respected kenyan political scientist and now college professor in a foreign university pointed out to me a while ago during a lengthy chat. agwambo and kibaki have some alluring dates ahead and to the disappointment of those who think odm is walking out or engaging pnu in a cat fight,agwambo and odm knows better and will have the last laugh....as we always do. i may be wrong--as usual.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Feb 17, 2010 20:11:16 GMT 3
I dont know just how effective the balala - ruto axis will be, in their attempts to frustrate legislation in Parliament. Most legislation is of a benign nature, routine stuff.
The only explosive ones are the ones that deal with legal reform, i.e the Katiba issues, the TJRC, and the Ocampo stuff. When it comes to these bills, that axis may not have enough oomph to stop the train of change. The Nile will reach misri.
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Post by nereah on Feb 18, 2010 13:20:35 GMT 3
courtesy nationmediagroupagwambo and kibaki have some alluring dates ahead and to the disappointment of those who think odm is walking out or engaging pnu in a cat fight,agwambo and odm knows better and will have the last laugh....as we always do. news just in says agwambo and kibaki have a crucial date on kenya's governance in nairobi this sunday. i am told its kibaki who reached out to agwambo on phone after raila raised hope for a political settlement at a news conference in japan. kibaki, my source say, talked raila out of inviting annan who says www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/Kenyanews/Annan-urges-Kenyan-leaders-to-resolve-row-7529.html
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Post by nereah on Feb 18, 2010 15:06:56 GMT 3
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Post by mzee on Feb 18, 2010 16:00:13 GMT 3
Whenever you see Mr. Salim Lone in town then things are at boiling point. I loved how he put ODM+s message out there during the PEV
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Post by matto on Feb 18, 2010 19:35:59 GMT 3
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Post by nereah on Feb 19, 2010 9:31:57 GMT 3
thanks matto for this.my thoughts later.
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Post by mzee on Feb 19, 2010 11:21:09 GMT 3
I will let the people speak. Have a look and judge for yourself what the people are saying
I think Kenyans have really woken up.
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Post by nereah on Feb 19, 2010 12:22:28 GMT 3
okungu weighs in..........
The Annan group has been effective in the past, but the Kenyan case is like a chronically sick patient that needs a doctor�s constant supervision. Visiting consultants that are not on call may not be the best for Kenya�s condition that is deteriorating fast with each passing day. -- j.okungudetails: www.newvision.co.ug/D/8/20/710435
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