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Post by b6k on Oct 4, 2011 12:01:40 GMT 3
KK, allow me to break it down for you since it seems the cold Canadian air has numbed your senses on how things work in KE.
About a month ago, I posted a thread about Elizabeth Ongoro with a link as seen on The Star on the same day. The title of my thread matched details in The Star's story which was based on events that had happened the previous week. They hinted at reverse Gender Based Violence at the home of an MP. Immediately there was a united chorus from ODM stalwarts demanding not only that I delete the thread, but going as far as demanding that I apologize for an article I did not even compose! (Coming to think of it I don't think you commented on it yet you're usually quite fast to jump in on all things gender....hmmm).
Fast-forward to Job's post. He started a thread giving the impression it was breaking news. However in The very first sentence of his thread he conceded the news was over a year old. In the link, Nguyai is talking of a criminal incident that led to his driver's death. Job, by virtue of some ESP powers knows better & alleges K24 was skewing its reporting to cover Mungiki activity.
As if that were not enough, the title of Job's thread, "NGUYAI'S DRIVER MR. OGOLLA WAS SHOT DEAD", was disingenuous because he knew full well that by posting the name Ogolla at the headline, it would push innate panic buttons amongst some Jukwaaists. The siege mentality that has since fanned this non-story as further proof of Muthamaki's long arm shows just how what I refer to as the orange crowd operates.
Even after proof that Ogolla was indeed Ogora & therefore most likely a Kisii, Job is yet to make the necessary change to his headline that will allow the induced panic in a certain community to die down. After all, we Kisiis only survived the RVP killing fields once RAO ordered his troops to give "our people" free passage to the highlands.
Daniel Waweru has also discussed the ODM propaganda machine on a separate thread. Y'all may be happy to wallow in false stories that reinforce your worldview, but please be advised that a few of us simply seek the truth. That truth can never always be held by ODM orange or PNU green. It may go one way or the other, be a mixture of the two another time, or none of the above another.
That is why I am belaboring the point because this thread is nothing but propaganda.
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Post by Daktari wa makazi on Oct 4, 2011 12:19:52 GMT 3
b6k
I like your candour in your posts which exhibit intellectual ability. I wish you well in your endeavour.
In Jukwaa, many have suffered undignified treatment just because they are perceived to oppose ODM in their respective contributions despite they being ODM members. I am a a living testimony.
It is because of those kinds of treatment that sometimes I think actually it is one's tribe not political affiliation which many in Jukwaa go by in their interactions. Many rightly or wrongly judge one's tribe from their names. Ogolla, or was it Ogora is a topical pertinent point.
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Post by b6k on Oct 4, 2011 15:32:37 GMT 3
Sadik, thanks for your support. Even if I were to be the lone voice of reason on Jukwaa I would never tire of airing my views. Thankfully I know I am not. In fact others, like DW are less partisan than I am. He corrects all who get the facts wrong & backs it up with a link or two. Jakaswanga is another who does not accept the need to blindly conform to the prevailing tune as set by the tribe. (Truth be told I'm of the school of thought that what we call tribes were actually nations & by using the tag tribe we diminish our standing around the world. At worst we should use ethnic group but I'll probably be accused of semantics again).
Sadly, tribe matters a lot in KE. In fact PEV actually underlined that fact for many who had assumed tribe no longer matters. That ID we carry around could save your life in one area & have you hacked to pieces in another. We should never forget that.
Now that we have 47 counties, which are for the most part nothing less than tribal enclaves, handled the wrong way we will simply delve even deeper into the safety cocoon of tribe. That's why I get riled up when a thread is glaringly tribal & I'm asked why I'm belaboring the point by one of the brass on Jukwaa.
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Post by jakaswanga on Oct 4, 2011 20:30:37 GMT 3
( Truth be told I'm of the school of thought that what we call tribes were actually nations & by using the tag tribe we diminish our standing around the world. At worst we should use ethnic group but I'll probably be accused of semantics again). Now that we have 47 counties, which are for the most part nothing less than tribal enclaves, handled the wrong way we will simply delve even deeper into the safety cocoon of tribe. That's why I get riled up when a thread is glaringly tribal & I'm asked why I'm belaboring the point by one of the brass on Jukwaa. b6k,There is a thread started by the appropriately named NOK [nation of kenya] I think, which seeks to duel on the consequences of the ICC show. To date I have been scared of posting my thoughts on that thread because [...] but now you have mentioned two things in one paragraph which forces me to face up to my fears. 1. After attending a celebration of the Yoruba nation in London some years ago, I reached the conclusion TRIBE wont do. But the moment I reached that conclusion, I occured to me that the African states, as they exist now with their 1884 Berlin constructed borders, can not contain these various nationalisms. [For instance Yoruba and Igbo and Fulani would rather exist as confederates than in nation state federal Nigeria.] Now as I watch the ICC, and deduce UK is no villain in his Mount Kenya nation, but a monster to the fish-lovers from the gulf of Kavirondo, I think this is a tale beyond resolution within the confines of the new Kenya [reborn with a new constitution!]. Add that to the de facto segregation of Counties [as you have noted], my analysis of THE POSSIBLE CONSEQUECES SCARE ME! So I am avoiding nok's thread [as I still screw up my head gears for a lighter take!] SADIKI hope you are wrong about being bludgeoned for not always bleeting ODM good PNU bad like some well-trained sheep in [Opoda] Animal Farm near Bondo! I assure you for the last three years I have been living in the ODM paradise of Nyanza, and I have become cured! It is a pre-historic regime! Obsolete like Pharao Mubarak's dungeon of yester year!
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Post by reporter911 on Oct 4, 2011 20:44:21 GMT 3
Does it matter whether is Ogaro, Ogolla! Kinuthia, simiyu, Njenga bla bla!! a man was slaughter shot down in cold blood.. that individual was a driver to Nguyai, Uhuru Kenyatta's witness at the ICC Uhuru Kenyatta is charged with "CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY" ! Nguyai in his own testimony made claims of transacting his business with the Mungiki Gang from his car at the Jacaranda Hotel.. This points out that his Driver was with him when he met these ruthless murderous Mungiki gang members and that the Driver was privy to certain sensitive information.. thus it boils down to " was Nguyai's driver killed for having known very sensitive information between Nguyai and the Mungiki gang members? Evidence collections from the prosecutors side began in March 2010, Agaro/Ogolla/Driver was gunned down in April! what is the connection? it might just come out in the trails.. We can't trust the corrupt Kenya police to ever catch the killers.. but who knows the driver might have talked to someone out there.. An innocent man died.. it is so cheap for people to use politics in the case of a death as we can see even the 2007-8 victims are now being branded as from this party and that party, and not as innocent victims that lost their life's through the hands of very evil, dangerous individuals who decided to use their powers through hiring mungiki gang members/police and other gangs to slaughter, murder, behead, burn alive innocent kenyans!
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Post by b6k on Oct 4, 2011 20:48:41 GMT 3
...& to hear witness Otieno's Migori home was about to be burnt down by irate "village peasants" just because he testified for Ali. A guy who has moved his family from Naivasha for security reasons just to get similar treatment at home square. What is this nation coming to?
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Post by adongo23456 on Oct 4, 2011 20:52:11 GMT 3
...& to hear witness Otieno's Migori home was about to be burnt down by irate "village peasants" just because he testified for Ali. A guy who has moved his family from Naivasha for security reasons just to get similar treatment at home square. What is this nation coming to? Romour mongering is dangerous business.
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Post by kamalet on Oct 4, 2011 20:55:35 GMT 3
( Truth be told I'm of the school of thought that what we call tribes were actually nations & by using the tag tribe we diminish our standing around the world. At worst we should use ethnic group but I'll probably be accused of semantics again). Now that we have 47 counties, which are for the most part nothing less than tribal enclaves, handled the wrong way we will simply delve even deeper into the safety cocoon of tribe. That's why I get riled up when a thread is glaringly tribal & I'm asked why I'm belaboring the point by one of the brass on Jukwaa. b6k,There is a thread started by the appropriately named NOK [nation of kenya] I think, which seeks to duel on the consequences of the ICC show. To date I have been scared of posting my thoughts on that thread because [...] but now you have mentioned two things in one paragraph which forces me to face up to my fears. 1. After attending a celebration of the Yoruba nation in London some years ago, I reached the conclusion TRIBE wont do. But the moment I reached that conclusion, I occured to me that the African states, as they exist now with their 1884 Berlin constructed borders, can not contain these various nationalisms. [For instance Yoruba and Igbo and Fulani would rather exist as confederates than in nation state federal Nigeria.] Now as I watch the ICC, and deduce UK is no villain in his Mount Kenya nation, but a monster to the fish-lovers from the gulf of Kavirondo, I think this is a tale beyond resolution within the confines of the new Kenya [reborn with a new constitution!]. Add that to the de facto segregation of Counties [as you have noted], my analysis of THE POSSIBLE CONSEQUECES SCARE ME! So I am avoiding nok's thread [as I still screw up my head gears for a lighter take!] SADIKI hope you are wrong about being bludgeoned for not always bleeting ODM good PNU bad like some well-trained sheep in [Opoda] Animal Farm near Bondo! I assure you for the last three years I have been living in the ODM paradise of Nyanza, and I have become cured! It is a pre-historic regime! Obsolete like Pharao Mubarak's dungeon of yester year! Jakaswanga You just made my day!!! ODM gooood...PNU Baaad!!! Simply too hillarious!
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Post by reporter911 on Oct 4, 2011 21:20:01 GMT 3
( Truth be told I'm of the school of thought that what we call tribes were actually nations & by using the tag tribe we diminish our standing around the world. At worst we should use ethnic group but I'll probably be accused of semantics again). Now that we have 47 counties, which are for the most part nothing less than tribal enclaves, handled the wrong way we will simply delve even deeper into the safety cocoon of tribe. That's why I get riled up when a thread is glaringly tribal & I'm asked why I'm belaboring the point by one of the brass on Jukwaa. b6k,There is a thread started by the appropriately named NOK [nation of kenya] I think, which seeks to duel on the consequences of the ICC show. To date I have been scared of posting my thoughts on that thread because [...] but now you have mentioned two things in one paragraph which forces me to face up to my fears. 1. After attending a celebration of the Yoruba nation in London some years ago, I reached the conclusion TRIBE wont do. But the moment I reached that conclusion, I occured to me that the African states, as they exist now with their 1884 Berlin constructed borders, can not contain these various nationalisms. [For instance Yoruba and Igbo and Fulani would rather exist as confederates than in nation state federal Nigeria.] Now as I watch the ICC, and deduce UK is no villain in his Mount Kenya nation, but a monster to the fish-lovers from the gulf of Kavirondo, I think this is a tale beyond resolution within the confines of the new Kenya [reborn with a new constitution!]. Add that to the de facto segregation of Counties [as you have noted], my analysis of THE POSSIBLE CONSEQUECES SCARE ME! So I am avoiding nok's thread [as I still screw up my head gears for a lighter take!] SADIKI hope you are wrong about being bludgeoned for not always bleeting ODM good PNU bad like some well-trained sheep in [Opoda] Animal Farm near Bondo! I assure you for the last three years I have been living in the ODM paradise of Nyanza, and I have become cured! It is a pre-historic regime! Obsolete like Pharao Mubarak's dungeon of yester year! UK stands for "UHURU KENYATTA" is no Villian to the Mt, Kenya Nation "Why is that" because the Mt Kenya Nation allow him to Murder, Kill their youth and wipe their blood with his ass, while they sing his praises.. The Mt. Kenya Nation worship and Adore UHURU KENYATTA "UK" even when their own children are being Killed "extra-judicial killings" because in their confused brains, they think that he is their anointed one and he can spill all the blood he wants of their children, wife's, husbands e.t.c they have given Uhuru Kenyatta a free hand to do what he wants.. while the FISH LOVERS FROM THE GULF of KAVIRONDO have told UHURU KENYATTA "UK" that they will hunt him down through the ICC and lock him up for life for killing their youth, children, husband, wife's, mothers, daughters, sons, grandmothers, grandfathers, HOW DOES UHURU KENYATTA "UK" react to these charges, ? he goes to hire MUZUGU, lawyers and detectives FROM ENGLAND because he doesn't even trust his own KIKUYU CLAN to represent him! after all to him they are just people that he can spit on, kill at Leisure, give command orders though their children "mungiki gangs" to go out and kill other tribes! so what do they know? the people from MT. KENYA nation are useless to him and he can not even identify with them except for when he wants to use them or order them to slaughter others or be slaughtered at his own pleasure, the people from Mt. KENYA NATION will never complain or raise a finger at UHURU KENYATTA!!,HE IS THEIR KING" they have been trained to follow HIM blindly and to remain submissive when it comes to his welding power and opps!! ofcourse all his wealth that he stole from the same people of Mt. Kenya nation.. that is why they some were removed from mt. kenya by force "reference" Mau Mau settlers" and settled in the Rift Valley among other tribes by force by his father Jomo Kenyatta.
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Post by nok on Oct 4, 2011 21:29:37 GMT 3
b6k,There is a thread started by the appropriately named NOK [nation of kenya] I think, which seeks to duel on the consequences of the ICC show. To date I have been scared of posting my thoughts on that thread because [...] but now you have mentioned two things in one paragraph which forces me to face up to my fears. 1. After attending a celebration of the Yoruba nation in London some years ago, I reached the conclusion TRIBE wont do. But the moment I reached that conclusion, I occured to me that the African states, as they exist now with their 1884 Berlin constructed borders, can not contain these various nationalisms. [For instance Yoruba and Igbo and Fulani would rather exist as confederates than in nation state federal Nigeria.] Now as I watch the ICC, and deduce UK is no villain in his Mount Kenya nation, but a monster to the fish-lovers from the gulf of Kavirondo, I think this is a tale beyond resolution within the confines of the new Kenya [reborn with a new constitution!]. Add that to the de facto segregation of Counties [as you have noted], my analysis of THE POSSIBLE CONSEQUECES SCARE ME! So I am avoiding nok's thread [as I still screw up my head gears for a lighter take!] SADIKI hope you are wrong about being bludgeoned for not always bleeting ODM good PNU bad like some well-trained sheep in [Opoda] Animal Farm near Bondo! I assure you for the last three years I have been living in the ODM paradise of Nyanza, and I have become cured! It is a pre-historic regime! Obsolete like Pharao Mubarak's dungeon of yester year! UK stands for "UHURU KENYATTA" is no Villian to the Mt, Kenya Nation "Why is that" because the Mt Kenya Nation allow him to Murder, Kill their youth and wipe their blood with his ass, while they sing his praises.. The Mt. Kenya Nation worship and Adore UHURU KENYATTA "UK" even when their own children are being Killed "extra-judicial killings" because in their confused brains, they think that he is their anointed one and he can spill all the blood he wants of their children, wife's, husbands e.t.c they have given Uhuru Kenyatta a free hand to do what he wants.. while the FISH LOVERS FROM THE GULF of KAVIRONDO have told UHURU KENYATTA "UK" that they will hunt him down through the ICC and lock him up for life for killing their youth, children, husband, wife's, mothers, daughters, sons, grandmothers, grandfathers, HOW DOES UHURU KENYATTA "UK" react to these charges, ? he goes to hire MUZUGU, lawyers and detectives FROM ENGLAND because he doesn't even trust his own KIKUYU CLAN to represent him! after all to him they are just people that he can spit on, kill at Leisure, give command orders though their children "mungiki gangs" to go out and kill other tribes! so what do they know? the people from MT. KENYA nation are useless to him and he can not even identify with them except for when he wants to use them or order them to slaughter others or be slaughtered at his own pleasure, the people from Mt. KENYA NATION will never complain or raise a finger at UHURU KENYATTA!!,HE IS THEIR KING" they have been trained to follow HIM blindly and to remain submissive when it comes to his welding power and opps!! ofcourse all his wealth that he stole from the same people of Mt. Kenya nation.. that is why they some were removed from mt. kenya by force "reference" Mau Mau settlers" and settled in the Rift Valley among other tribes by force by his father Jomo Kenyatta. @rep.. I wanted to say the same in milder terms but here we are.. that is the language that Jakaswanga wants
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Post by b6k on Oct 4, 2011 22:30:23 GMT 3
...& to hear witness Otieno's Migori home was about to be burnt down by irate "village peasants" just because he testified for Ali. A guy who has moved his family from Naivasha for security reasons just to get similar treatment at home square. What is this nation coming to? Romour mongering is dangerous business. Adongo, considering one source I got the information from disseminates 411 for a national party, I thought there really was a viable threat to Otieno's property & not just a rumour. Or are we to take Phil's 411 with a pinch of salt in the future? unconfirmed reports from migori allege that the house of Mr. Otieno has been torched.Any1 with more info please to provide!! I heard this story in the morning but later was informed by sources from the ground it was a hoax. Actually, rumour mills reported that the house had been set ablaze but turns out it could just have been threats from long suffering village peasants. & more on a thwarted threat.... Phil thanks for that info.Infact been informed couple of minutes ago that there was some threat from the villagers but it was thwarted.The Mum and Mig. OCPD confirmed to Ramogi FM haku kuwa na kitu kama hiyo!!
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Post by Fahari on Oct 5, 2011 8:06:42 GMT 3
b6k,There is a thread started by the appropriately named NOK [nation of kenya] I think, which seeks to duel on the consequences of the ICC show. To date I have been scared of posting my thoughts on that thread because [...] but now you have mentioned two things in one paragraph which forces me to face up to my fears. 1. After attending a celebration of the Yoruba nation in London some years ago, I reached the conclusion TRIBE wont do. But the moment I reached that conclusion, I occured to me that the African states, as they exist now with their 1884 Berlin constructed borders, can not contain these various nationalisms. [For instance Yoruba and Igbo and Fulani would rather exist as confederates than in nation state federal Nigeria.] Now as I watch the ICC, and deduce UK is no villain in his Mount Kenya nation, but a monster to the fish-lovers from the gulf of Kavirondo, I think this is a tale beyond resolution within the confines of the new Kenya [reborn with a new constitution!]. Add that to the de facto segregation of Counties [as you have noted], my analysis of THE POSSIBLE CONSEQUECES SCARE ME! So I am avoiding nok's thread [as I still screw up my head gears for a lighter take!] SADIKI hope you are wrong about being bludgeoned for not always bleeting ODM good PNU bad like some well-trained sheep in [Opoda] Animal Farm near Bondo! I assure you for the last three years I have been living in the ODM paradise of Nyanza, and I have become cured! It is a pre-historic regime! Obsolete like Pharao Mubarak's dungeon of yester year! UK stands for "UHURU KENYATTA" is no Villian to the Mt, Kenya Nation "Why is that" because the Mt Kenya Nation allow him to Murder, Kill their youth and wipe their blood with his ass, while they sing his praises.. The Mt. Kenya Nation worship and Adore UHURU KENYATTA "UK" even when their own children are being Killed "extra-judicial killings" because in their confused brains, they think that he is their anointed one and he can spill all the blood he wants of their children, wife's, husbands e.t.c they have given Uhuru Kenyatta a free hand to do what he wants.. while the FISH LOVERS FROM THE GULF of KAVIRONDO have told UHURU KENYATTA "UK" that they will hunt him down through the ICC and lock him up for life for killing their youth, children, husband, wife's, mothers, daughters, sons, grandmothers, grandfathers, HOW DOES UHURU KENYATTA "UK" react to these charges, ? he goes to hire MUZUGU, lawyers and detectives FROM ENGLAND because he doesn't even trust his own KIKUYU CLAN to represent him! after all to him they are just people that he can spit on, kill at Leisure, give command orders though their children "mungiki gangs" to go out and kill other tribes! so what do they know? the people from MT. KENYA nation are useless to him and he can not even identify with them except for when he wants to use them or order them to slaughter others or be slaughtered at his own pleasure, the people from Mt. KENYA NATION will never complain or raise a finger at UHURU KENYATTA!!,HE IS THEIR KING" they have been trained to follow HIM blindly and to remain submissive when it comes to his welding power and opps!! ofcourse all his wealth that he stole from the same people of Mt. Kenya nation.. that is why they some were removed from mt. kenya by force "reference" Mau Mau settlers" and settled in the Rift Valley among other tribes by force by his father Jomo Kenyatta. When you have absolutely nothing intelligent to contribute, its only prudent to stay away from the key board......
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Post by Mr Defence on Oct 5, 2011 9:29:08 GMT 3
...& to hear witness Otieno's Migori home was about to be burnt down by irate "village peasants" just because he testified for Ali. A guy who has moved his family from Naivasha for security reasons just to get similar treatment at home square. What is this nation coming to? Romour mongering is dangerous business. Otieno's woeswww.the-star.co.ke/classicnews/43251-police-deployed-at-alis-witness-migori-home
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Post by reporter911 on Oct 5, 2011 17:55:49 GMT 3
UK stands for "UHURU KENYATTA" is no Villian to the Mt, Kenya Nation "Why is that" because the Mt Kenya Nation allow him to Murder, Kill their youth and wipe their blood with his ass, while they sing his praises.. The Mt. Kenya Nation worship and Adore UHURU KENYATTA "UK" even when their own children are being Killed "extra-judicial killings" because in their confused brains, they think that he is their anointed one and he can spill all the blood he wants of their children, wife's, husbands e.t.c they have given Uhuru Kenyatta a free hand to do what he wants.. while the FISH LOVERS FROM THE GULF of KAVIRONDO have told UHURU KENYATTA "UK" that they will hunt him down through the ICC and lock him up for life for killing their youth, children, husband, wife's, mothers, daughters, sons, grandmothers, grandfathers, HOW DOES UHURU KENYATTA "UK" react to these charges, ? he goes to hire MUZUGU, lawyers and detectives FROM ENGLAND because he doesn't even trust his own KIKUYU CLAN to represent him! after all to him they are just people that he can spit on, kill at Leisure, give command orders though their children "mungiki gangs" to go out and kill other tribes! so what do they know? the people from MT. KENYA nation are useless to him and he can not even identify with them except for when he wants to use them or order them to slaughter others or be slaughtered at his own pleasure, the people from Mt. KENYA NATION will never complain or raise a finger at UHURU KENYATTA!!,HE IS THEIR KING" they have been trained to follow HIM blindly and to remain submissive when it comes to his welding power and opps!! ofcourse all his wealth that he stole from the same people of Mt. Kenya nation.. that is why they some were removed from mt. kenya by force "reference" Mau Mau settlers" and settled in the Rift Valley among other tribes by force by his father Jomo Kenyatta. When you have absolutely nothing intelligent to contribute, its only prudent to stay away from the key board...... When you peddle innuendo's & propaganda it is wise to look at yourself in the mirror before posting back on Jukwaa, next time try dealing with facts!
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Post by subsaharanite on Oct 6, 2011 1:16:01 GMT 3
Lets get the name right. Its Mr Ogora not Ogolla. Correct this!
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