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Post by kamalet on Oct 25, 2011 23:24:26 GMT 3
Being out of Kenya for two weeks means I may have missed something about the pronouncements of the two principals regarding the war if indeed they have made any. To my recollection, the only time either have made any public statement was on Kenyatta day. Under the circumstances I am wondering how one is louder than the other!
In any case what are the two supposed to be telling Kenyans? They both announced the reason for the incursion into Somalia, ministers have made their statements, parliament supported the war in a camera session......so it is not really clear what the president or the PM should be telling Kenyans!
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Post by adongo23456 on Oct 25, 2011 23:57:49 GMT 3
Being out of Kenya for two weeks means I may have missed something about the pronouncements of the two principals regarding the war if indeed they have made any. To my recollection, the only time either have made any public statement was on Kenyatta day. Under the circumstances I am wondering how one is louder than the other! In any case what are the two supposed to be telling Kenyans? They both announced the reason for the incursion into Somalia, ministers have made their statements, parliament supported the war in a camera session......so it is not really clear what the president or the PM should be telling Kenyans! Kamale,I just saw Wetangula and Haji giving that press conference at the airport upon arrival from Somalia. They didn't seem to know why Kenya is in Somalia. That is insane. First they said they were invited by the NTFG(Somali government). Then when challenged about statements from some NTFG leadership Wetangula started talking about pursuing those who are kidnapping people in Kenya. Wetangula then claimed there is no official communication regarding the stand of the lame duck Somali government. That is total confusion about a war that is just beginning. The job of the CIC is tell Kenyans very clearly why the Kenyan Armed Forces had no choice but to invade Somalia. Tell Kenyans very clearly who is helping them handle the war. Tell Kenyans very clearly what the mission is. It is not just a matter of a casual statement about supporting the troops like Kibaki did. You start a war as a commander in chief you address the nation and set the objectives. Even George Bush had to invent the Weapons of Mass Destruction lies. People may have disagreed with him and questioned his real motive but at least he had to rally the country around the war. You have to do that as a president and then when things get rough you have a foot to stand on. Kibaki has not done that and it seems he thinks this wil just run on remote control. That is a very dangerous way to conduct a war.
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Post by shifta on Oct 26, 2011 3:50:19 GMT 3
Sometimes i wonder what if Raila had been the prezzo and ordered this war against al crappo aka shabab? I bet you this Raila worshippng crowd would have reacted the same way when he threw Miguna under the bus? Exonorated the man and blamed it on Miguna, what was he doing standing by the curb? The Jukwaa threads would be intriguing to say the list, blaming al shabab, if history is to go by. We need to grow out of this cult of personality phenomenon, but I am not holding my breathe. Yaani, Kibakli does what he needs to so as to protect the nation and now we are being told by Job that he needs to address the issue through diplomatic and political means - whaaat? and just how long do you anticipate to do that as Kenyans are being killed and economy swamped by smuggled goods by these women hating thugs. Ati Uganda taking over Migingo or Ethiopians violating Kenyan space by killing Kenyans is different because after all they are not al shabab they are not organized, they have been killing and raiding each other since time immemorial. So why was the same jukwaa crowd shouting itself hoarse, where is Kibaki to defend our borders? ( which was also my position).. Just be consistent guys if you want the gava to act, do not complain when it does, or else those against the war do come off as al shabbab sympathizers (and OO can not seem to load articles by anti - West consipiracy theorists fast enough ) or plain stricken by Kibaki phobia. I am still waiting for the anti-war crowd to list their suggestions (apart from Job) when they shout their oppostion. As for me: Go Kenya, crush the bastards!!Well, so much for me sitting comfortbly away from the conflict what do Somalis say? www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000045589&cid=4&ttl=How GSU recovered 20 grenades
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Post by kamalet on Oct 26, 2011 9:30:43 GMT 3
Shifta
The appropriateness of you name to the last time Kenya had issues with Somalis is intriguing!!
But you make a very valid point. The war will not be won because Kibaki addressed the nation or lost because he did not. We are acting rather dumb that we do not know the reasons and even justification of why our men and women in uniform are puting their lives in harms way.
For now, the war is on....support our men and women.
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Post by cheshirecat on Oct 26, 2011 12:43:46 GMT 3
Sometimes i wonder what if Raila had been the prezzo and ordered this war against al crappo aka shabab? I bet you this Raila worshippng crowd would have reacted the same way when he threw Miguna under the bus? Exonorated the man and blamed it on Miguna, what was he doing standing by the curb? The Jukwaa threads would be intriguing to say the list, blaming al shabab, if history is to go by. We need to grow out of this cult of personality phenomenon, but I am not holding my breathe. Yaani, Kibakli does what he needs to so as to protect the nation and now we are being told by Job that he needs to address the issue through diplomatic and political means - whaaat? and just how long do you anticipate to do that as Kenyans are being killed and economy swamped by smuggled goods by these women hating thugs. Ati Uganda taking over Migingo or Ethiopians violating Kenyan space by killing Kenyans is different because after all they are not al shabab they are not organized, they have been killing and raiding each other since time immemorial. So why was the same jukwaa crowd shouting itself hoarse, where is Kibaki to defend our borders? ( which was also my position).. Just be consistent guys if you want the gava to act, do not complain when it does, or else those against the war do come off as al shabbab sympathizers (and OO can not seem to load articles by anti - West consipiracy theorists fast enough ) or plain stricken by Kibaki phobia. I am still waiting for the anti-war crowd to list their suggestions (apart from Job) when they shout their oppostion. As for me: Go Kenya, crush the bastards!!Well, so much for me sitting comfortbly away from the conflict what do Somalis say? www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000045589&cid=4&ttl=How GSU recovered 20 grenades As far is this crowd is concerned. Kibaki would be damned whether he talks, doesn't talk, acts on Al-shabaab or doesn't. Whatever action he would take would be wrong. The best thing to do is to make as good a decision as one can and act on it. I think he has gone ahead and done that.
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Post by subsaharanite on Oct 26, 2011 15:49:06 GMT 3
For those who watched the mythical lord of the rings trilogy do remember Theoden, king of Rohan. Faced with an imminent war with Sauromon's army, an evil platoon, largely composed of brainwashed and fabricated warriors with unconventional fighting tactics, who had been roaming through his kingdom, causing mayhem and destruction, he had to decide whether to fight or let the enemy decimate him.
As his enemy's army gathered just outside Helm's deep, Rohan's citadel that was the last refuge in times of war, he ordered that all men that could carry a weapon, some as little as five years old to go the armory and get arms, ready to defend their people as he desparately hoped that help from other friendly neighbors would arrive soon. They took their weapons and impatiently waited for their demise as the women and young children nervously descended into the lower chambers of the citadel, unsure of what awaited them.
Legolas, an estranged and strong warrior and heir to the King of Gondor, one of the neighboring state, who had come to help Theoden, could not hold back his thoughts, having seen the fear and naivete of the men of Rohan, who were greatly outnumbered by the the Orcs.
As Theodin gave his men the last words of encouragement, Legolas knowing very well that they were hugely outnumbered and could certainly lose shouted at the king, What resistance do you think these boys will offer to the orcs? Its of no use to fight'. Theoden, looked back at him and retorted, 'what would you rather have me tell them, that this is a war they cannot win and watch these orcs, decimate me and my people?...
Coming back to Kenya, the 'orcs' are already roaming our country, decimating whatever they can, they are keen to destroy one of the main foreign exchange earning industry without which, Kenyans may be in great difficulties. They are hijacking ships off our coast, basically getting away with anything they do. 'Theodin' has already declared war, whose results may not be pleasant to all of us. What should he tell his army at the front line ' that their fate is sealed and what awaits them is death? what should we people of Rohan do? encourage our warriors or castigate theodin?
I believe this is a time to show courage, even if we very well know that an enemy we face does not fight a fair war and almost at all times invisible. We have already fired the first arrow, there is no turning back now, its war to the last man standing.
This is a war that we may not win, but we all need to encourage our boys.
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Oct 26, 2011 16:07:07 GMT 3
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Oct 26, 2011 16:44:31 GMT 3
Message to Kamale:
I am still waiting for an answer from you.
You basically unleashed a threat to me not to convey certain messages here on Jukwaa.
Where were you coming from?
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Post by adongo23456 on Oct 26, 2011 17:06:59 GMT 3
Sometimes i wonder what if Raila had been the prezzo and ordered this war against al crappo aka shabab? I bet you this Raila worshippng crowd would have reacted the same way when he threw Miguna under the bus? Exonorated the man and blamed it on Miguna, what was he doing standing by the curb? The Jukwaa threads would be intriguing to say the list, blaming al shabab, if history is to go by. We need to grow out of this cult of personality phenomenon, but I am not holding my breathe. Yaani, Kibakli does what he needs to so as to protect the nation and now we are being told by Job that he needs to address the issue through diplomatic and political means - whaaat? and just how long do you anticipate to do that as Kenyans are being killed and economy swamped by smuggled goods by these women hating thugs. Ati Uganda taking over Migingo or Ethiopians violating Kenyan space by killing Kenyans is different because after all they are not al shabab they are not organized, they have been killing and raiding each other since time immemorial. So why was the same jukwaa crowd shouting itself hoarse, where is Kibaki to defend our borders? ( which was also my position).. Just be consistent guys if you want the gava to act, do not complain when it does, or else those against the war do come off as al shabbab sympathizers (and OO can not seem to load articles by anti - West consipiracy theorists fast enough ) or plain stricken by Kibaki phobia. I am still waiting for the anti-war crowd to list their suggestions (apart from Job) when they shout their oppostion. As for me: Go Kenya, crush the bastards!!Well, so much for me sitting comfortbly away from the conflict what do Somalis say? www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000045589&cid=4&ttl=How GSU recovered 20 grenades Shifta,It is easy to fight the war in the computer keyboard and crash the "bastards" in cyber space. It is another matter on the ground. This is not about "prezzo" ordering a war. There is the small matter of the Kenyan laws which stipulates very clearly how the country can go to war. Even that was not done, but we have gone beyond that. We want to know what we are doing and what the plan is. Kibaki will not set foot in Somalia with a gun on his shoulders. It is the soldiers who are doing it and nobody asks them whether they are ODM or PNU. These are not Kibaki's youth wingers. They are Kenyan soldiers, so spare us the cheap politics of speculating on what would happen if Raila "ordered" the war. The bloody war is going on as we speak. That is the only one we can address, not the imaginery one in your head. If there is one thing we learnt about the Iraq invasion it is that in every war the mission has to be very clear and you cannot keep shifting the goal post in the middle of war. In Iraq Bush went to eliminate Weapons of Mass Destruction. The soldiers were blasting everything in sight to get to the weapons before they are used against them. After years with no WMD in sight the war planners in Washington changed the mission. They told the soldiers to get the hearts and minds of the Iraqis. Hearts and Minds? You have just been blasting the hell out these people looking for non existent WMD and now you want to win their hearts and minds! If the mission of the war was the hearts and minds from the beginning the war would have been faught differently from the start. What some people are asking here is clarity of the war and solid leadership. That is their rights as Kenyans and we do not need holier than thou "patriots" ordering us to shut up and follow the king. Kenya is not a monarchy my friend. Kamale,Let's not hide behind "support our men and women in uniform" mantra of George Bush. That is cheap blackmail. The best support the soldiers need is clarity of mission and clear leadership not a singing choir in Nairobi. Wars are won or lost based on the plan and the mission not bravado and chest thumping from the sidelines or confused leadership. This thing is winnable but any bungling can be very costly. There are still many things to sort out. One thing is certain. Any prolonged stay in Somalia is doomed whichever way one looks at this thing. Here is well informed look. May be another ODM operative. Here we go: www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Kenya+invasion+of+Somalia+strategic+miscalculation/-/440808/1261554/-/5uwr2oz/-/index.html
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Post by adongo23456 on Oct 26, 2011 18:24:44 GMT 3
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Post by kunadawa on Oct 26, 2011 19:10:57 GMT 3
il ecrit: erreur 404, Page introuvable
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Post by emali on Oct 26, 2011 20:58:43 GMT 3
The way the government is acting it’s like we are fighting a covert war in Somalia! Kibaki is acting like its business as usuall, we only send 2000-4000 troops and we are hardly getting any information about what’s going on other than snippets here and there.
I obviously don’t think the reasons for this war are just mainly because Kibaki’s history speaks of hubris and corruption. The army could be out of Somalia in two months while Kibaki & his cronies will be building Malls for the next 10 years but still they left us with little to no options.
I don’t believe Al shabbab is what it’s being blown out to be some sort of Al Qaeda offshoot growing by the day... a clear and present danger to Kenya’s internal security. Somalia has been a lawless state for 20 years with Islam its main religion it was inevitable a group of Bandits would use religion as a guise to claim control/authority given the notoriety Osama and Al Qaeda garnered in years past. Somali’s are a very entrepreneurial people, sharia law will not work there ultimately they would have lost especially with very little or no funding by their benefactors. I see this war as a NATO scorched earth policy to obliterate what’s left of it. They might be ‘faceless’ but I’m under no illusions they are well known to the Americans who have been monitoring them for years...
I keep hearing about the fact that no one has beaten the Somalis in war? Black hawk down...e.t.c .It’s not like we are going in there to uproot the TFG or some other clan based political faction.Al Shababs ideology is based on Religion something Somali’s have never based their politics on, Al Shabab are not the Ayatollah led revolution of Iran they are bunch of uncouth bandits hated across Somalia with no real backing outside Somalia other than ‘businessmen’ in Kenya & a few scattered all over the world who are ‘known’. I’m not saying it will be easy or they can wiped out but I think they can be severely weakened which I think is the goal of this invasion.
There has been no confirmation that the kidnappings were Al shabaab operations but does it really matter? The kidnappings & Piracy are thriving unabated and would have continued something had to be done...police the borders better? That’s not practical given the border is close to 1600Km long. War is an ugly thing but it’s not like we have committed 40,000 troops there, it’s only a couple of thousand with a specific mission which will not last more than a few months and if it does General Kibaki will live up to his moniker & bail out.
The issue of insecurity that we are all concerned about is a necessary evil.Al-Shabaabs response to the invasion is to hurl some grenades in pubs & crowded places, is that the sign of a well oiled military outfit? I do not want to tempt fate but they are not led by an Abu Nidal seasoned terrorist they are infantile in comparison. Their response to Uganda’s troops in their country was to bomb a restaurant & nothing since yet Ugandans chased them out of Mogadishu and are still in Somalia hounding them.
If we can severely weaken them & curtail the Piracy and Banditry it will be mission accomplished. It might even be the impetus that leads to a governable Somalia if what O.O claims is the real reason behind this invasion...it also doesn’t hurt that security in Nairobi is much better...Car Jackers & ATM bandits are on leave...
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Post by b6k on Oct 27, 2011 11:17:13 GMT 3
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Oct 27, 2011 13:07:17 GMT 3
How GULLIBLE can we be sometimes. That is propaganda from the Kenyan military that you are recycling buddy. Onyango Oloo
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Post by b6k on Oct 27, 2011 14:12:32 GMT 3
Bwana Chief Whip, when you posted some Al Shabaab praising individual, that post screamed for a counter-weight. Indeed you motivated me to watch Alfred Mutua today to increase my levels of gullibilty. It's been a while since I've watched these briefings. I must say there were a lot more wazungu reporters following the proceedings than I have ever seen. Even John Alan Namu attended the propaganda spiel. PC Iteere was today's guest of honour. Bwire, who was nabbed in Kayole yesterday, is singing like a canary. Iteere blames "bad elements" from many KE communities not just KE Somalis or Somalis for that matter so don't be haters. The person who died at OTC was a victim, not a perp. Mutua: expect a briefing on the military exercise tomorrow or Saturday. KE will not negotiate with Al Shabaab. "Al Shabaab has not communicated with Kenya as they are busy running for their lives". TFG troops are still fighting alongside KE troops. This shows unity of purpose. KE will not stay "an hour longer than is necessary" in Somalia. Terror threats in KE no different from the ones in London or Madrid. It's an international problem. OK... There's my civic duty for the day. Meanwhile the cost of war: allafrica.com/stories/201110242323.html
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Oct 27, 2011 16:27:35 GMT 3
B6K:
I do have a sense of humour, but I am not somebody who just embraces any nickname that is bandied on the internet.
Stop calling me "Chief Whip" because I am neither a chief nor do I brandish a whip.
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Post by b6k on Oct 27, 2011 17:35:07 GMT 3
OO, noted. As one of the few who use their real names I'll grant you that space of not e-baptizing you with a fresh handle. As you pointed out it was a harmless pun which I thought tied in well with another e-baptismal name that was mysteriously e-cast without an owner by Kunadawa on another thread. No harm intended.
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Oct 27, 2011 23:40:41 GMT 3
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2011 0:19:21 GMT 3
Oloo,don't be so modest. Good for you & the other people. & Pambazuka is cutting edge. Good for all of us.
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Post by shifta on Oct 28, 2011 3:46:27 GMT 3
I guess unless one is in Somalia fighting he or she should not be supporting the war - at least according to Adongo. BTW one of the individuals here who was shouting loudest, "Our space has been invaded where is Kibaki?" (in regrads to "mijinjo") It is a such a predictable lot, now they have changed tune, pulling out all kinds of sorry conspiracy theories, waving the katiba to suit them, wanting to be given the war plan; just plain pathetic!! I am still waiting for him to tell us what the alternative is to deal with al crappo. And stating that an act is not a solution, is not providing actionable alternative. But then again after reading their posts I doubt it.
I also think we have a USA vs. Iraq situation, but 1991.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2011 7:09:48 GMT 3
U.S. Troops In AfricaNAIROBI, Kenya — While putting few U.S. troops at risk, the United States is playing a growing role in Africa's military battles, using special forces advisers, drones and tens of millions of dollars in military aid to combat a growing and multifaceted security threat. Once again, the focus is Somalia, the lawless nation that was the site of America's last large-scale military intervention in Africa in the early 1990s. By the time U.S. forces departed, 44 Army soldiers, Marines and airmen had been killed and dozens more wounded. This time the United States is playing a less visible role, providing intelligence and training to fight militants across the continent, from Mauritania in the west along the Atlantic coast, to Somalia in the east along the Indian Ocean. The renewed focus on Africa follows a series of recent and dramatic attacks. In August, a hard-line Islamist group in Nigeria known as Boko Haram bombed the U.N. headquarters in the capital, Abuja, killing 24 people. A year earlier, militants from the Somali group al-Shabab unleashed twin bombings in Kampala, Uganda, that killed 76. And a Nigerian man tried to blow up an airliner over Detroit on Christmas Day 2009 during a flight that originated from Lagos, Nigeria. Most worrisome to the United States is al-Shabab, an al-Qaida-linked group in Somalia that has recruited dozens of Americans, most of Somali descent. "If you ask me what keeps me awake at night, it is the thought of an American passport-holding person who transits through a training camp in Somalia and gets some skill and then finds their way back into the United States to attack Americans," Gen. Carter Ham, the commander of the U.S. Africa Command, said in Washington this month. "That's mission failure for us." U.S. and European officials also worry that AQIM – an al-Qaida group that operates in the west and north of Africa – is working to establish links with Boko Haram and al-Shabab, the Somali insurgent group. "I think the security threats emanating from Africa are being taken more seriously than they have been before, and they're more real," said Jennifer Cooke, the director of the Africa program at the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies. The U.S. is conducting counterterrorism training and equipping militaries in countries including Algeria, Burkina Faso, Chad, Mali, Mauritania, Morocco, Niger, Nigeria, Senegal and Tunisia to "preclude terrorists from establishing sanctuaries," according to the U.S. Africa Command. In Somalia, the U.S. helps support 9,000 troops from Uganda and Burundi to fight militants in Mogadishu, the Somali capital. In June, the Pentagon moved to send nearly $45 million in military equipment, including four drones, body armor and night-vision and communications gear, for use in the fight against al-Shabab. The U.S. also announced this month it is sending 100 advisers, most of them special forces, to help direct the fight against the rebel Lord's Resistance Army in Central Africa and efforts to kill or capture its leader, Joseph Kony, who is wanted by the International Criminal Court. In Libya, U.S. fighter planes helped rebels defeat former dictator Moammar Gadhafi. In the latest attack against Africa's militants, Kenya deployed troops this month into southern Somalia to fight al-Shabab insurgents. The U.S. says it is not aiding Kenya's incursion, but America has given Kenya $24 million in aid this year "to counter terrorists and participate in peacekeeping operations," the U.S. Embassy said.
The U.S. government "has had a burr under its saddle about Somalia" for years, dating to the 1993 downing of two U.S. helicopters over Mogadishu in a battle that became known as Black Hawk Down, said John Pike of the Globalsecurity.org think tank near Washington. Eighteen U.S. troops were killed. At that time, Washington had deployed thousands of troops to combat a famine, but the mission escalated into a hunt for warlords. These days, only a handful of U.S. troops are involved directly in Somalia – special forces troops who enter on kill missions. In 2009, Navy SEALs targeted and killed al-Qaida operative Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan in a helicopter raid. The Americans jumped out of the helicopters, grabbed Nabhan's body from his bullet-riddled convoy and flew off. The corpse – like Osama bin Laden's two years later – was buried at sea. Pike, who monitors defense issues, said the Pentagon has ramped up operations in Africa tremendously since the time of former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who didn't see Africa as being in America's strategic interest. "The U.S. has really developed an interest in Africa that we just have never seen before," Pike said. "Between all the goings and comings in the Horn of Africa and all this snake-eater (special forces) Sahara stuff ... it's all over the place," Pike said. "Since I think an awful lot of it is being run out of Special Operations Command and out of (the CIA), I think it probably far larger than anyone imagines."
U.S. drones launched from the Seychelles islands in the Indian Ocean also provide intelligence, and the pilotless planes are capable of being armed.Al-Shabab counts 31 American citizens among its ranks, a U.S. official in Washington told The Associated Press. They're mostly American-Somalis who left the U.S. to join the group. The U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence matters, said foreign fighters among al-Shabab's ranks want to attack Western targets. Intelligence has revealed sophisticated plans by al-Shabab to attack targets in Europe, the official said, but the operations have been disrupted by the recent stepped-up fighting in Somalia. Ugandan and Burundian troops fighting al-Shabab militants in Mogadishu as part of an African Union force have pushed back the insurgents in recent months and now control most of the capital. The Kenyan incursion has forced al-Shabab to fight on its southern flank as well. Though the Kenyan invasion appears to further the U.S. goal of pressuring al-Shabab, U.S. officials say the American military is not providing assistance.
"The United States has supported Kenyan efforts to improve its ability to monitor and control often porous land and maritime borders and territory exploited by terrorists and illicit traffickers, particularly along its border with Somalia," said Katya Thomas, a spokeswoman at the U.S. Embassy in Nairobi.
But, she added: "The United States did not encourage the Kenyan government to act, nor did Kenya seek our views. We note that Kenya has a right to defend itself against threats to its security and its citizens."
Some aspects of Kenya's military adventure appear poorly thought out. Troops moved in just as seasonal rains began and are now bogged down in the mud – a literal reminder of the potential quagmire for countries that intervene in Somalia, whose last nationwide leader was overthrown in 1991.
A paper published by the U.S. Army examining the ill-fated U.S. mission in Somalia in the 1990s concluded that "the chaotic political situation of that unhappy land bogged down U.S. and allied forces in what became, in effect, a poorly organized United Nations nation-building operation." It was a 2006 invasion of Somalia by Ethiopia that gave rise to the militants now known as al-Shabab. "That's the problem with Somalia, there is just no easy answer," said Cooke, the analyst. "The problem is so huge and multi-faceted that tackling one aspect of it, i.e., beating back al-Shabab, just can't fix it. Part of the problem is that the government we have invested in as our key partner in Somalia is a fiction of a government, and so Kenya can try to create some space, but there is nothing to fill that."The chairman of the Pentagon's Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, told the House Armed Services Committee this month that the U.S. must remain active in Africa because terrorists are networked globally. "One of the places they sit is Pakistan. One of the places they sit is Afghanistan. One of the places they sit is the African continent," Dempsey said. Associated Press reporter Lolita Baldor in Washington contributed to this report. Online: www.history.army.mil/brochures/somalia/somalia.htmwww.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/27/us-troops-in-africa_n_1035612.html
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Post by kamalet on Oct 28, 2011 16:19:32 GMT 3
Destiny You are spot on in describing the thread!!! My little concern is that of all these pacifist and anti-war campaigners including those who have concluded that Kenyans are a bunch of nutters to go to war, none seems to provide a solution of how Kenya was ever going to deal with the threats that Al shabaaboons posed to Kenya. At this time we should just quote Julius Ceaser "Cowards die many times before their deaths,The valiant never taste of death but once." and support our men and women in uniform!
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