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Post by reporter911 on Apr 15, 2012 2:33:40 GMT 3
R911, I did not try to police you, or tell you what is right or wrong. I am not sure where you get that from. I just added my opinions just like you added yours. Why is that a problem to you? Now, regarding your opinions, it seems to me that the main point you want to be heard on is: The facts remain "a COALITION GOVERNMENT WAS FORMED AND GIVEN A MANDATE TO RUN THE COUNTRY" if either of of the coalition partners decide to walk away from the Coalition it will collapse immediately and elections will be called. Assuming that to be fact, so what? How does that address the 200 to 60 security guards issue? Oops, on reading your protest again I see that you said you care less whether Raila and Kibaki have unbalanced security. Yet to start the same protest you state: The post was an open topic for any Jukwaa member to state their opinion in regards to 200 security unit service versus 60 security units between the Two heads of state in the current Coalition government . ... So right at the start of your protest you identify unbalanced security as the issue that was being responded to, then you state you cannot care less about it. Why did you respond to an issue you cannot care less about? That's how you get yourself posting long and incoherent stuff. Mank I careless what you think.. everyone here as the right of their own opinion As for the Past agreement and the current agreement enacted in the New Constitution .. the law states clearly that they are equal.Partners ( No prefect or head of State) . this is not my opinion it was stated in the coalition Old agreement and the now in the new constitution of Kenya "Legal/Facts" that is all I care about... Meanwhile when it comes to security details of each HEAD OF STATE" read my previous posts closely I careless.. if one wants to feel more important than the other who cares? if ignorance plays a part in others using the security details to make absurd and false statements in regards to the two principles, one has to point out that facts remains they are equal partners one can't run the country without the other!! Mank if you are looking for an argument you are looking at the wrong place unless you have written proof clearly stated in the previous coalition signed agreement or a passage in the new constitution that states One of the coalition partners is Head of State while the other is a prefect and that the coalition is null & void otherwise there is nothing further to discuss with you.... ;D
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Post by mank on Apr 15, 2012 3:47:21 GMT 3
R911, I did not try to police you, or tell you what is right or wrong. I am not sure where you get that from. I just added my opinions just like you added yours. Why is that a problem to you? Now, regarding your opinions, it seems to me that the main point you want to be heard on is: Assuming that to be fact, so what? How does that address the 200 to 60 security guards issue? Oops, on reading your protest again I see that you said you care less whether Raila and Kibaki have unbalanced security. Yet to start the same protest you state: So right at the start of your protest you identify unbalanced security as the issue that was being responded to, then you state you cannot care less about it. Why did you respond to an issue you cannot care less about? That's how you get yourself posting long and incoherent stuff. Mank I careless what you think.. everyone here as the right of their own opinion As for the Past agreement and the current agreement enacted in the New Constitution .. the law states clearly that they are equal.Partners ( No prefect or head of State) . this is not my opinion it was stated in the coalition Old agreement and the now in the new constitution of Kenya "Legal/Facts" that is all I care about... Meanwhile when it comes to security details of each HEAD OF STATE" read my previous posts closely I careless.. if one wants to feel more important than the other who cares? if ignorance plays a part in others using the security details to make absurd and false statements in regards to the two principles, one has to point out that facts remains they are equal partners one can't run the country without the other!! Mank if you are looking for an argument you are looking at the wrong place unless you have written proof clearly stated in the previous coalition signed agreement or a passage in the new constitution that states One of the coalition partners is Head of State while the other is a prefect and that the coalition is null & void otherwise there is nothing further to discuss with you.... ;D Reporter, You are the last person I would chase for an argument. ... arguing with you is worse that going in circles. At least a circle has loci (plural of locus). Your arguments don't, and so it is rarely clear what the argument is when you are involved. In this case you singled yourself out from a list that I addressed, and then you made it a personal fight that I cannot quite follow. You pointed out what the issue is, then you said you can't care less about it. Then you tell me that I, like any other Jukwaa member, can post my opinion ... then you say you can't care less what I think. ... why did you single yourself out to respond to my posting if you cannot care what I think? Wjat does responding to my views imply, if not that you care what I think? Reporter, I have no fight with you. But you have managed to make it sound like I do. If that makes you feel good about yourself, then well done.
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 15, 2012 4:06:25 GMT 3
Mank I careless what you think.. everyone here as the right of their own opinion As for the Past agreement and the current agreement enacted in the New Constitution .. the law states clearly that they are equal.Partners ( No prefect or head of State) . this is not my opinion it was stated in the coalition Old agreement and the now in the new constitution of Kenya "Legal/Facts" that is all I care about... Meanwhile when it comes to security details of each HEAD OF STATE" read my previous posts closely I careless.. if one wants to feel more important than the other who cares? if ignorance plays a part in others using the security details to make absurd and false statements in regards to the two principles, one has to point out that facts remains they are equal partners one can't run the country without the other!! Mank if you are looking for an argument you are looking at the wrong place unless you have written proof clearly stated in the previous coalition signed agreement or a passage in the new constitution that states One of the coalition partners is Head of State while the other is a prefect and that the coalition is null & void otherwise there is nothing further to discuss with you.... ;D Reporter, You are the last person I would chase for an argument. ... arguing with you is worse that going in circles. At least a circle has loci (plural of locus). Your arguments don't, and so it is rarely clear what the argument is when you are involved. In this case you singled yourself out from a list that I addressed, and then you made it a personal fight that I cannot quite follow. You pointed out what the issue is, then you said you can't care less about it. Then you tell me that I, like any other Jukwaa member, can post my opinion ... then you say you can't care less what I think. ... why did you single yourself out to respond to my posting if you cannot care what I think? Wjat does responding to my views imply, if not that you care what I think? Reporter, I have no fight with you. But you have managed to make it sound like I do. If that makes you feel good about yourself, then well done. MK I always feel good about myself I bet everyone on Jukwaa does! if you can't get the point that a coalition government has to stick together if not collapse and that the two leaders are equal partners then I guess there is nothing else to add but you are welcome to keep trying to explain further on the issue instead of getting personal...... ;D
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Post by mank on Apr 15, 2012 5:04:04 GMT 3
Reporter, You are the last person I would chase for an argument. ... arguing with you is worse that going in circles. At least a circle has loci (plural of locus). Your arguments don't, and so it is rarely clear what the argument is when you are involved. In this case you singled yourself out from a list that I addressed, and then you made it a personal fight that I cannot quite follow. You pointed out what the issue is, then you said you can't care less about it. Then you tell me that I, like any other Jukwaa member, can post my opinion ... then you say you can't care less what I think. ... why did you single yourself out to respond to my posting if you cannot care what I think? Wjat does responding to my views imply, if not that you care what I think? Reporter, I have no fight with you. But you have managed to make it sound like I do. If that makes you feel good about yourself, then well done. MK I always feel good about myself I bet everyone on Jukwaa does! if you can't get the point that a coalition government has to stick together if not collapse and that the two leaders are equal partners then I guess there is nothing else to add but you are welcome to keep trying to explain further on the issue instead of getting personal...... ;D Reporter, You win, like always. You always win your arguments. That is because you are always arguing alone.
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 15, 2012 5:11:33 GMT 3
MK I always feel good about myself I bet everyone on Jukwaa does! if you can't get the point that a coalition government has to stick together if not collapse and that the two leaders are equal partners then I guess there is nothing else to add but you are welcome to keep trying to explain further on the issue instead of getting personal...... ;D Reporter, You win, like always. You always win your arguments. That is because you are always arguing alone. Yup!! and that is why you keep coming back looking for more on my posts!! ironic isn't it waste of insults on here! Jaribu tena ;D
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Post by kamalet on Apr 15, 2012 11:07:24 GMT 3
Reporter, You win, like always. You always win your arguments. That is because you are always arguing alone. Yup!! and that is why you keep coming back looking for more on my posts!! ironic isn't it waste of insults on here! Jaribu tena ;D i think the appropriate word here is "incorrigible".
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Post by merlin on Apr 15, 2012 14:11:21 GMT 3
I find the discussion between the JUKWAA members amazing.
Some take the current government as one of high integrity with the organs of the government acting by the letter of the law and if you are threatened you can call on the organs for protection.
Most of the members who take this position are supporters of the wing of government who are in charge of the law enforcement, financial and security machinery. However they should be aware this wing of government has little or less integrity and is in danger of losing their grip over the government machinery by the next election. So let’s be real; would you request for help from such a questionable government organ if your life is in danger or cry out loudly so other people can hear you which increase the risk for the people who like to liquidate you in dark silence?
Our country is not divided into tribes though in two factions like our government. This division is also to be experienced here in JUKWAA. For a regular reader the position of the members is well known and thus their comments and arguments they use. There is little to learn from these so called discussions as their arguments do not relate to reality though to the imaginary society they pretend to represent. Some even purposely like to make reality hazy for readers as they prefer to tread in the shadowy area of society and still like to receive phony respect.
Let’s shout out about the threat on the life of the PM which will make the conspirers aware of the risk they are taking. Merlin, I do not think anyone on Jukwaa belongs to the category you describe thus .... " Some take the current government as one of high integrity with the organs of the government acting by the letter of the law and if you are threatened you can call on the organs for protection." Point out anyone who belongs to that category. There is something disingenuous about this effort to explain Midiwo's tactic with the CV of the police force. To insist insist that police record explains that tactic, you must first explain why Raila was not informed either. We have asked this question many times and all we get is this old condemnation of the police force and a corrupt government - or was Raila left out because he is part of the corrupt government .... as if he would sacrifice his life to cover for a corrupt government? To use your words, "So let’s be real." Raila is half the head of the corrupt government of Kenya, and if his life is in danger, distrust for the government would not translate to distrust of Raila on the same issue. Mank,Sorry for the late reply (other activities and a 24 hrs power cut) Your statement; you must first explain why Raila was not informed either.I do not know if Raila was informed or not, however I find this irrelevant for this discussion. If you keep the information to you self or share it with a small group of people it could be contained (blackmailed) or eliminated by the plotter(s) as source of information. I perceive a division of two categories which Raila inferred to recently when he said the next elections would be choice between impunity and rule of law. This is the major division in our society though not often clearly stated. It is whipped under the carpet of tribalism or not even bothered to mentioned if we think about the probably defection of Mudavadi . Many comment what it will mean for the strength of ODM, the changes for presidency and the shift in the political landscape. I have not yet read a comment on what it will mean for the rule of law versus the strength of impunity. Mudavadi could make a choice stepping over the division line of rule of law to the other side of power for the masters of impunity or has he taken this step already at the beginning of his political carreer? If the later is the case then his defection to the masters of impunity will be irrelevant for the political landscape. However the division line is very clear and it is irrelevant to point out anyone who belongs to one of the categories I refer to if you cannot recognise this division.
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Post by gemagema on Apr 15, 2012 14:51:40 GMT 3
Yawn! Yaawwn! Yaawwnn! An emoticom could have done better
Kibaki Vs Raila; Head of State Vs Prefect; 200 Vs 60 security personnel; etc; etc; etc.....
Does all the above really matter? Whether head of state or prefect, what is key in a democracy is who has the Power? Rather, who has the "ruled" or the "wananchi" given power to?
This power was given to Raila..but the other ones stole it. That is why one needs so many security personnel to guard his stolen position, but the other doesnt need that much because he has the mandate from the "ruled"
If am wrong...ask yourself why the crème de la crème of the house of the Head of state have been indicted in an international court far off? Moreover, why is crew from the head of state all in arms against the Prefect...After all, if the Head of state was so mighty, more than the Prefect, he could just easily crush him if not check him out. lakini, that aint possible. Why?
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Post by mank on Apr 15, 2012 17:36:19 GMT 3
Merlin, I do not think anyone on Jukwaa belongs to the category you describe thus .... " Some take the current government as one of high integrity with the organs of the government acting by the letter of the law and if you are threatened you can call on the organs for protection." Point out anyone who belongs to that category. There is something disingenuous about this effort to explain Midiwo's tactic with the CV of the police force. To insist insist that police record explains that tactic, you must first explain why Raila was not informed either. We have asked this question many times and all we get is this old condemnation of the police force and a corrupt government - or was Raila left out because he is part of the corrupt government .... as if he would sacrifice his life to cover for a corrupt government? To use your words, "So let’s be real." Raila is half the head of the corrupt government of Kenya, and if his life is in danger, distrust for the government would not translate to distrust of Raila on the same issue. Mank,
Sorry for the late reply (other activities and a 24 hrs power cut)
Your statement; you must first explain why Raila was not informed either. I do not know if Raila was informed or not, however I find this irrelevant for this discussion. If you keep the information to you self or share it with a small group of people it could be contained (blackmailed) or eliminated by the plotter(s) as source of information.
I perceive a division of two categories which Raila inferred to recently when he said the next elections would be choice between impunity and rule of law. This is the major division in our society though not often clearly stated. It is whipped under the carpet of tribalism or not even bothered to mentioned if we think about the probably defection of Mudavadi . Many comment what it will mean for the strength of ODM, the changes for presidency and the shift in the political landscape. I have not yet read a comment on what it will mean for the rule of law versus the strength of impunity. Mudavadi could make a choice stepping over the division line of rule of law to the other side of power for the masters of impunity or has he taken this step already at the beginning of his political carreer? If the later is the case then his defection to the masters of impunity will be irrelevant for the political landscape. However the division line is very clear and it is irrelevant to point out anyone who belongs to one of the categories I refer to if you cannot recognise this division.I think time has shown that Midiwo is a joke ... or we would be now be analyzing the details of what he knows. the fact that we still do not know a thing he knows about anyone trying to kill Raila suggests to me that he does not know of anything of that sort. As for Raila being told or not told, it was Midiwo himself who announced that he had not informed Raila. So you should not be claiming not to know if Raila was informed or not, unless you are picking and choosing what to believe of Midiwo's words. The fear that a blackmail would have ruined it if Midiwo told Raila before the public is illogical. There is no reason Midiwo would have suspected Raila, as a head of government and also the alleged target of assassination, would mishandle the information. Instead Raila should have been expected to effect exhaustive investigation ... or do you really believe that Raila survives at the mercy of uncorporative and hateful other side of the government, without any power to himself? I know this is an impression a new comer to Jukwaa would get, but we should know better. Raila is a powerful man ... at least he has the power to see investigation done if there is a genuine reason to suspect that his life is being plotted against.
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Post by mank on Apr 15, 2012 17:54:54 GMT 3
Kibaki Vs Raila; Head of State Vs Prefect; 200 Vs 60 security personnel; etc; etc; etc.....
Does all the above really matter? .... Yes, it does matter - I think what I have left in the quotation, at least, does matter. What I have crossed could be someone's way of phrasing an observation. The question is, who makes the decision as to what resources Kibaki should have, and what resources Raila should have? If these two are supposed to be equal heads of government, what governs the resource allocation decisions that result with the imballance (as in the 200 to 60)?
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Post by Omwenga on Apr 15, 2012 18:01:12 GMT 3
Kibaki Vs Raila; Head of State Vs Prefect; 200 Vs 60 security personnel; etc; etc; etc.....
Does all the above really matter? .... Yes, it does matter - I think what I have left in the quotation, at least, does matter. What I have crossed could be someone's way of phrasing an observation. The question is, who makes the decision as to what resources Kibaki should have, and what resources Raila should have? If these two are supposed to be equal heads of government, what governs the resource allocation decisions that result with the imballance (as in the 200 to 60)? Mank,I have been assuming this is a rhetorical question; is it really a question you are expecting an answer?
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Post by mank on Apr 15, 2012 19:32:31 GMT 3
Yes, it does matter - I think what I have left in the quotation, at least, does matter. What I have crossed could be someone's way of phrasing an observation. The question is, who makes the decision as to what resources Kibaki should have, and what resources Raila should have? If these two are supposed to be equal heads of government, what governs the resource allocation decisions that result with the imballance (as in the 200 to 60)? Mank,
I have been assuming this is a rhetorical question; is it really a question you are expecting an answer?No I don't. It is more interesting to keep reciting arguments that "Kibaki and Raila are equals" and "Raila has only 60 guards while Kibaki has 200". The equality is "as clear as daylight". ... either that, or the question is not rhetorical at all.
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 15, 2012 19:54:19 GMT 3
Yup!! and that is why you keep coming back looking for more on my posts!! ironic isn't it waste of insults on here! Jaribu tena ;D i think the appropriate word here is "incorrigible". At long last you got it? "Incorrigible" that is you Kamale you couldn't have coined it any better.. please go find another word to describe yourself ;D or should I do that for you too? ignorance can be painful!
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 15, 2012 20:17:25 GMT 3
Yawn! Yaawwn! Yaawwnn! An emoticom could have done better Kibaki Vs Raila; Head of State Vs Prefect; 200 Vs 60 security personnel; etc; etc; etc..... Does all the above really matter? Whether head of state or prefect, what is key in a democracy is who has the Power? Rather, who has the "ruled" or the "wananchi" given power to? This power was given to Raila..but the other ones stole it. That is why one needs so many security personnel to guard his stolen position, but the other doesnt need that much because he has the mandate from the "ruled" If am wrong...ask yourself why the crème de la crème of the house of the Head of state have been indicted in an international court far off? Moreover, why is crew from the head of state all in arms against the Prefect...After all, if the Head of state was so mighty, more than the Prefect, he could just easily crush him if not check him out. lakini, that aint possible. Why? Gemagema The difference is night & Day.. there those who respect the law and follow the constitution of Kenya accordingly in regards to power sharing enacted into law in accordance to the coalition government. And there those who rather follow/ worship impunity and when Muthaura Yups his gums, claiming his master is the boss lording over everyone else disregarding the Coalition agreement, hence illegally sabotaging the constitution of Kenya in Broad daylight, some examples appointment of his cronies in powerful position in disregard to the the laid out process within the New Constitution.. that in itself is impunity in the highest order. it fails most Kenyans to understand how any Kenyan can yup loudly in support of impunity " current president has more power than the PM" how on earth did they come up with such an absurd and nonsensical line of thought? if indeed they read the constitution? doesn't this show clearly how the two principals are equal that one can't run the government without the other? what is seen clearly without any doubt is that the man in Statehouse is using subversion to force his agenda, trying to make himself more powerful than his partner in coalition government? Kenya is lucky in the sense that is all he can do flex his muscles, use more security details than his coalition partner but the facts remain he can't run the country single handedly " that is where the New Constitution protects our mother land" but those who want to yup in support of his actions are welcome to do so..FOR THEM IMPUNITY IS THE NAME OF THE GAME THEY SUPPORT 100%!! Remember the issue Kamalet brought up was about..... 1. Head Of State & Prefect claiming the head of State was Kibaki & Prefect is Raila 2. He added by stating that one with more security details "200" had more power than the one with "60" Security details...My argument on the above matter is more leveled on the Old Coalition agreement and the New Constitution.. ( EVERYTHING WITH THE LAW) That is all I'm giving my opinion on.. any other side shows I ain't interested in.. as usual here on Jukwaa, too many sideline shows! TO DERAIL THE TOPIC.
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Post by mank on Apr 15, 2012 20:30:25 GMT 3
We are redefining "communication". Hopefully everyone is catching on.
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 16, 2012 22:56:03 GMT 3
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 16, 2012 23:39:54 GMT 3
[/size] Uhuru, Ruto quizzed on Raila death claimBy FRED MUKINDA fmukinda@ke.nationmedia.com Posted Monday, April 16 2012 at 22:30 Police said the two leaders were not being treated as suspects and were interviewed because they were mentioned by ODM Chief Whip Jakoyo Midiwo, who made the claims. Ministers Njeru Githae (Finance) and Sam Ongeri (Foreign Affairs) also had their statements taken by officers investigating the matter. Mr Midiwo sensationally claimed at funeral in Bondo on April 7 that there was a plan to kill Mr Odinga. He later recorded a statement at the Criminal Investigations Department headquarters, Nairobi, on the basis of which detectives questioned Mr Kenyatta, Mr Ruto and Mr Githae. “We are focusing on the issue that is the plotting and the assassination, allegedly by known persons. It’s in the interest of the public to resolve this issue as quickly as possible and so we don’t have to investigate this matter forever.” He added that several other people, all of them politicians, had been linked to the assassination allegations and that his officers will interview them. The investigation will however neither seek to interview Mr Odinga nor his security detail “There is no reason to interview the Prime Minister based on the statement of the report made to the police. That would not be necessary since its does not show the PM was privy to the matter before it was made public,” Mr Muhoro said. Findings of the investigations, as well as recommendations would be forwarded to director of public prosecutions Keriako Tobiko for direction in accordance with the law. Mr Tobiko directed the police to speed up the investigation leading to the questioning of Mr Midiwo and other persons he mentioned as being privy to the alleged conspiracy. At the funeral, Mr Midiwo mentioned Foreign Affairs minister Prof Sam Prof Ongeri and his ministry. “The gravity and magnitude of the allegations, particularly during this period when the country is preparing for the next general election, cannot be overemphasised. These allegations therefore require a prompt, thorough and speedy investigation to establish their veracity or otherwise,” the DPP said in a letter to police commissioner Mathew Iteere.Police began investigating the matter hours after the MP made the remarks and an officer at Bondo police station was instructed to summon Mr Midiwo and record his statement. The legislator, however, left the station that Saturday without his statement being recorded was and he informed the officers that he intended to formally file the claims at the CID headquarters in Nairobi. More . www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Uhuru+Ruto+quizzed+on+Raila+death+claim/-/1064/1387776/-/cxijlb/-/index.htmlNA MAMBO BADO!..
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Post by mank on Apr 17, 2012 3:01:35 GMT 3
[/size] Uhuru, Ruto quizzed on Raila death claimBy FRED MUKINDA fmukinda@ke.nationmedia.com Posted Monday, April 16 2012 at 22:30 Police said the two leaders were not being treated as suspects and were interviewed because they were mentioned by ODM Chief Whip Jakoyo Midiwo, who made the claims. Ministers Njeru Githae (Finance) and Sam Ongeri (Foreign Affairs) also had their statements taken by officers investigating the matter. Mr Midiwo sensationally claimed at funeral in Bondo on April 7 that there was a plan to kill Mr Odinga. He later recorded a statement at the Criminal Investigations Department headquarters, Nairobi, on the basis of which detectives questioned Mr Kenyatta, Mr Ruto and Mr Githae. “We are focusing on the issue that is the plotting and the assassination, allegedly by known persons. It’s in the interest of the public to resolve this issue as quickly as possible and so we don’t have to investigate this matter forever.” He added that several other people, all of them politicians, had been linked to the assassination allegations and that his officers will interview them. The investigation will however neither seek to interview Mr Odinga nor his security detail “There is no reason to interview the Prime Minister based on the statement of the report made to the police. That would not be necessary since its does not show the PM was privy to the matter before it was made public,” Mr Muhoro said. Findings of the investigations, as well as recommendations would be forwarded to director of public prosecutions Keriako Tobiko for direction in accordance with the law. Mr Tobiko directed the police to speed up the investigation leading to the questioning of Mr Midiwo and other persons he mentioned as being privy to the alleged conspiracy. At the funeral, Mr Midiwo mentioned Foreign Affairs minister Prof Sam Prof Ongeri and his ministry. “The gravity and magnitude of the allegations, particularly during this period when the country is preparing for the next general election, cannot be overemphasised. These allegations therefore require a prompt, thorough and speedy investigation to establish their veracity or otherwise,” the DPP said in a letter to police commissioner Mathew Iteere.Police began investigating the matter hours after the MP made the remarks and an officer at Bondo police station was instructed to summon Mr Midiwo and record his statement. The legislator, however, left the station that Saturday without his statement being recorded was and he informed the officers that he intended to formally file the claims at the CID headquarters in Nairobi. More . www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Uhuru+Ruto+quizzed+on+Raila+death+claim/-/1064/1387776/-/cxijlb/-/index.htmlNA MAMBO BADO!.. [/quote] Yapish .... those two again! What a suprise!?
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Post by morimax on Apr 17, 2012 8:07:07 GMT 3
[/size] Uhuru, Ruto quizzed on Raila death claimBy FRED MUKINDA fmukinda@ke.nationmedia.com Posted Monday, April 16 2012 at 22:30 Police said the two leaders were not being treated as suspects and were interviewed because they were mentioned by ODM Chief Whip Jakoyo Midiwo, who made the claims. Ministers Njeru Githae (Finance) and Sam Ongeri (Foreign Affairs) also had their statements taken by officers investigating the matter. Mr Midiwo sensationally claimed at funeral in Bondo on April 7 that there was a plan to kill Mr Odinga. He later recorded a statement at the Criminal Investigations Department headquarters, Nairobi, on the basis of which detectives questioned Mr Kenyatta, Mr Ruto and Mr Githae. “We are focusing on the issue that is the plotting and the assassination, allegedly by known persons. It’s in the interest of the public to resolve this issue as quickly as possible and so we don’t have to investigate this matter forever.” He added that several other people, all of them politicians, had been linked to the assassination allegations and that his officers will interview them. The investigation will however neither seek to interview Mr Odinga nor his security detail “There is no reason to interview the Prime Minister based on the statement of the report made to the police. That would not be necessary since its does not show the PM was privy to the matter before it was made public,” Mr Muhoro said. Findings of the investigations, as well as recommendations would be forwarded to director of public prosecutions Keriako Tobiko for direction in accordance with the law. Mr Tobiko directed the police to speed up the investigation leading to the questioning of Mr Midiwo and other persons he mentioned as being privy to the alleged conspiracy. At the funeral, Mr Midiwo mentioned Foreign Affairs minister Prof Sam Prof Ongeri and his ministry. “The gravity and magnitude of the allegations, particularly during this period when the country is preparing for the next general election, cannot be overemphasised. These allegations therefore require a prompt, thorough and speedy investigation to establish their veracity or otherwise,” the DPP said in a letter to police commissioner Mathew Iteere.Police began investigating the matter hours after the MP made the remarks and an officer at Bondo police station was instructed to summon Mr Midiwo and record his statement. The legislator, however, left the station that Saturday without his statement being recorded was and he informed the officers that he intended to formally file the claims at the CID headquarters in Nairobi. More . www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Uhuru+Ruto+quizzed+on+Raila+death+claim/-/1064/1387776/-/cxijlb/-/index.htmlNA MAMBO BADO!.. [/quote] Guys do remember what those two bullies promised Kenya during their first rounds of prayer rallies? ..... That they do not know who is going to be the next president of Kenya, but for sure they know one man, RAO, who will never step into state house as president of Kenya. And is was a promise they made. Gys those were serious talks.
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Post by mzee on Apr 17, 2012 11:30:59 GMT 3
Morimax, very true. They said on countless actions that they don’t know who will be president. But they knew who would not be. This statement is as loaded as loaded can be.
To me, it entails so much as physical elimination. These guys have been accused to murder, rape and other kinds of mayhem. What can stop them from killing one more person?
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Post by mank on Apr 17, 2012 15:54:50 GMT 3
Now the question I have asked all too many times (why Midiwo would "not talk" to Raila first, seems answered). I should have guessed it was Uhuru and Ruto that Midiwo "heard" plotting to kill the PM.
I have been slow to believe that anyone was plotting for anyone else to be put in jail. But this one has too many red flags on it.
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Post by kamalet on Apr 17, 2012 15:57:59 GMT 3
Morimax, very true. They said on countless actions that they don’t know who will be president. But they knew who would not be. This statement is as loaded as loaded can be. To me, it entails so much as physical elimination. These guys have been accused to murder, rape and other kinds of mayhem. What can stop them from killing one more person? lol.....now the two are suspects in a murder plot?!!!! The problem is that this is the rope that Midiwo had not seen come hang him. If anyone can as daft as to see murder plot in a statement suggesting that Raila will not be president....several of us with money in the bank should be called in as well!
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Post by phil on Apr 17, 2012 16:02:10 GMT 3
This is getting interesting,
Midiwo's statement is being progressively leaked and his entire list of implicated persons plus the names of his witnesses are all over twitter.
One wonders how a statement that was recorded in confidence at the CID HQS and apparently shared by only three persons at the top echelons of police would not last a week in police custody before the one and only Ole Itumbi starts blabering about Midiwo's witnesses.
And, then why conveniently only only Midiwo's statement and not those from Ongeri, Githae, Ruto and Kenyatta?
This investigation already smacks of a sham.
Where there is smoke.......
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Post by mzee on Apr 17, 2012 17:07:42 GMT 3
Morimax, very true. They said on countless actions that they don�t know who will be president. But they knew who would not be. This statement is as loaded as loaded can be. To me, it entails so much as physical elimination. These guys have been accused to murder, rape and other kinds of mayhem. What can stop them from killing one more person? lol.....now the two are suspects in a murder plot?!!!! The problem is that this is the rope that Midiwo had not seen come hang him. If anyone can as daft as to see murder plot in a statement suggesting that Raila will not be president....several of us with money in the bank should be called in as well! Kamale, Easy, its not a question of being daft but telling the truth. Your friends are slowly but surely hanging themselves by making silly statements. The interpretation of those statements is our right
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 18, 2012 10:01:15 GMT 3
www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Uhuru+Ruto+dismiss+Midiwo+death+claims+/-/1064/1388426/-/6nu1tkz/-/index.htmlUhuru, Ruto dismiss Midiwo death claims ICC suspects Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto on Tuesday dismissed allegations of a plot to assassinate Prime Minister Raila Odinga. Mr Kenyatta’s spokesman, Mr Munyori Buku, dismissed the claims, saying that they were part of a “scheme to camouflage the biggest failure in that party (Orange Democratic Movement) — dictatorship and resistance to change”. “This issue of dropping names of people holding senior positions recklessly, instead of working for Kenyans, is a scheme that borders on devilish acts,” said Mr Buku. He added: “They should spend more energy resolving their party disputes. There is room for competitive politics without making defamatory statements.” Mr Buku was referring to nomination of ODM’s presidential candidate, which has threatened to split the party, with some members insisting on unchallenged nomination of Mr Odinga as party leader while those allied to his deputy, Mr Musalia Mudavadi, proposing a competitive process to pick a contender. Mr Ruto, the Eldoret North MP, said separately that it was unfortunate that people can make casual statements on sensitive matters pertaining to security. He urged Kenyans to treat ODM chief whip Jakoyo Midiwo’s claims that there was a plot to kill Mr Odinga with the “contempt they deserve”. “It is so unfortunate that people can make alarming, unsubstantiated statements that have no basis and are bound to cause unnecessary friction, especially at this time when the country is gearing for the general election,” said Mr Ruto. Share This Story 5Share Mr Ruto said Deputy Prime Minister Kenyatta, Foreign Affairs minister Sam Ongeri and himself had recorded statements with the police and urged security agencies to move with haste in investigating the motive behind the claims. Mr Ruto described Mr Midiwo’s claims as a “useless story”, adding that it is only a mad man who can think of hatching a plot to assassinate the Prime Minister. Mr Ruto spoke in Eldoret yesterday when he presided over the Eldoret West District education and prize giving day. “If the PM can be at risk with the heavy security detail attached to him, then what about the ordinary Kenyan citizen?” asked Mr Ruto.
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