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Post by topnotch on Apr 18, 2012 11:12:43 GMT 3
I'm watching Parliament and MP Imanyara just told how he was held at gunpoint yesterday evening and asked to pledge support to one of the presidential candidates.
This explains a lot. How many other leaders have been coerced to support this candidate? How many have been threatened? This desperation is getting out of hand.
Details to follow....
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 18, 2012 11:46:20 GMT 3
I'm watching Parliament and MP Imanyara just told how he was held at gunpoint yesterday evening and asked to pledge support to one of the presidential candidates. This explains a lot. How many other leaders have been coerced to support this candidate? How many have been threatened? This desperation is getting out of hand. Details to follow.... Topnotch , What is the relation of Imanyara's alleged night ordeal with Midiwos murder plot / This is clearly either the work of hooligans who have no association with the DPM or a political ploy by Imanyara to have the cancelled Limuru 2Bmeeting proceed as scheduled . If you recall months ago when Tuju went to Kondele and he was pelted with stones NCIC condemned the people of Kisumu and not Raila . jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=6073&page=1
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Apr 18, 2012 15:16:15 GMT 3
Here is what I overheard in a noisy, crowded BAR a few days ago :
Some people were recently smuggled into the country via Tanzania using diplomatic passports. Foreign Minister Prof. Ongeri is said to have facilitated them. Their mission was to kill Prime Minister Raila Odinga in the hotel (in Mombasa) he was staying in. Apparently after his death, to mollify the aggrieved Luos, the forces behind the assassination would throw their full weight behind Raphael Tuju. Unfortunately for the plotters, some patriotic members of NSIS intercepted and recorded a planning meeting to carry out this dastardly deed. They later passed a copy of their recording to members of the diplomatic community who then passed the tape on to Raila who then leaked it to Midiwo.
Could the NSIS personnel embedded here in Jukwaa confirm whether this rumour that I have just mongered IDLE or actually spot on the actual facts?
Onyango Oloo Nairobi, Kenya
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Apr 18, 2012 15:35:03 GMT 3
Here is what I overheard in a noisy, crowded BAR a few days ago :Some people were recently smuggled into the country via Tanzania using diplomatic passports. Foreign Minister Prof. Ongeri is said to have facilitated them. Their mission was to kill Prime Minister Raila Odinga in the hotel (in Mombasa) he was staying in. Apparently after his death, to mollify the aggrieved Luos, the forces behind the assassination would throw their full weight behind Raphael Tuju. Unfortunately for the plotters, some patriotic members of NSIS intercepted and recorded a planning meeting to carry out this dastardly deed. They later passed a copy of their recording to members of the diplomatic community who then passed the tape on to Raila who then leaked it to Midiwo.Could the NSIS personnel embedded here in Jukwaa confirm whether this rumour that I have just mongered IDLE or actually spot on the actual facts? Onyango Oloo Nairobi, Kenya OO, This is obviusly not true. It is part of the ODM's desperate campaign. ODM seems to strongly believe that their one and only path to presidency is by having Uhuru Kenyatta and William Samoei Ruto in jail. They will fail miserably in their attempts. Uhuru and Ruto are going mowhere. I am sure you have heard about the ordeals of a drowning man and how that usually ends. That's what we are experiencing with the once mighty ODM. Bure kabisa hii watu, they have simply run out of ideas.
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Post by mzee on Apr 18, 2012 15:44:45 GMT 3
Here is what I overheard in a noisy, crowded BAR a few days ago :Some people were recently smuggled into the country via Tanzania using diplomatic passports. Foreign Minister Prof. Ongeri is said to have facilitated them. Their mission was to kill Prime Minister Raila Odinga in the hotel (in Mombasa) he was staying in. Apparently after his death, to mollify the aggrieved Luos, the forces behind the assassination would throw their full weight behind Raphael Tuju. Unfortunately for the plotters, some patriotic members of NSIS intercepted and recorded a planning meeting to carry out this dastardly deed. They later passed a copy of their recording to members of the diplomatic community who then passed the tape on to Raila who then leaked it to Midiwo.Could the NSIS personnel embedded here in Jukwaa confirm whether this rumour that I have just mongered IDLE or actually spot on the actual facts? Onyango Oloo Nairobi, Kenya OO, This is obviusly not true. It is part of the ODM's desperate campaign. ODM seems to strongly believe that their one and only path to presidency is by having Uhuru Kenyatta and William Samoei Ruto in jail. They will fail miserably in their attempts. Uhuru and Ruto are going mowhere. I am sure you have heard about the ordeals of a drowning man and how that usually ends. That's what we are experiencing with the once mighty ODM. Bure kabisa hii watu, they have simply run out of ideas. Mwalimumkuu,Im not OO but I think that you are not one of the embedded NSIS people he posed a questions to. I don't think he even mentioned Uhuru and Ruto anywhere. So what are you talking about? Have you been smoking?
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Post by phil on Apr 18, 2012 15:46:00 GMT 3
OO, This is obviusly not true. It is part of the ODM's desperate campaign. ODM seems to strongly believe that their one and only path to presidency is by having Uhuru Kenyatta and William Samoei Ruto in jail. They will fail miserably in their attempts. Uhuru and Ruto are going mowhere. I am sure you have heard about the ordeals of a drowning man and how that usually ends. That's what we are experiencing with the once mighty ODM. Bure kabisa hii watu. How irrelevant and childish a response this is. Please grow up and stop making a fool of yourself. Several people have actually recorded statements regarding the issue of threats to the life of this country's prime minister. These individuals know what they recorded with the CID and unless you are one of them, the files are now awaiting action from the DPP. The GoK even made a decision to increase security presence around the Prime Minister on the basis of what they are privy to. At times you need to rise above partisan party politics and look at things like a grown up. You are entitled to your pathetic opinion but kindly spare Jukwaa members this antiquated and backward anti-ODM and anti-RAO mentality.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Apr 18, 2012 17:41:05 GMT 3
OO, This is obviusly not true. It is part of the ODM's desperate campaign. ODM seems to strongly believe that their one and only path to presidency is by having Uhuru Kenyatta and William Samoei Ruto in jail. They will fail miserably in their attempts. Uhuru and Ruto are going mowhere. I am sure you have heard about the ordeals of a drowning man and how that usually ends. That's what we are experiencing with the once mighty ODM. Bure kabisa hii watu. How irrelevant and childish a response this is. Please grow up and stop making a fool of yourself. Several people have actually recorded statements regarding the issue of threats to the life of this country's prime minister. These individuals know what they recorded with the CID and unless you are one of them, the files are now awaiting action from the DPP. The GoK even made a decision to increase security presence around the Prime Minister on the basis of what they are privy to. At times you need to rise above partisan party politics and look at things like a grown up. You are entitled to your pathetic opinion but kindly spare Jukwaa members this antiquated and backward anti-ODM and anti-RAO mentality. Phil,So in your sophisticated thinking, when people record statements and the PM's security is beefed up is a true indicator to threats to his life? You at times amaze me with how mature some thinking can really get. Maybe to the level of senility?
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Apr 18, 2012 17:46:39 GMT 3
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Post by merlin on Apr 18, 2012 18:10:02 GMT 3
Here is what I overheard in a noisy, crowded BAR a few days ago :Some people were recently smuggled into the country via Tanzania using diplomatic passports. Foreign Minister Prof. Ongeri is said to have facilitated them. Their mission was to kill Prime Minister Raila Odinga in the hotel (in Mombasa) he was staying in. Apparently after his death, to mollify the aggrieved Luos, the forces behind the assassination would throw their full weight behind Raphael Tuju. Unfortunately for the plotters, some patriotic members of NSIS intercepted and recorded a planning meeting to carry out this dastardly deed. They later passed a copy of their recording to members of the diplomatic community who then passed the tape on to Raila who then leaked it to Midiwo.Could the NSIS personnel embedded here in Jukwaa confirm whether this rumour that I have just mongered IDLE or actually spot on the actual facts? Onyango Oloo Nairobi, Kenya OO, This is obviusly not true. It is part of the ODM's desperate campaign. ODM seems to strongly believe that their one and only path to presidency is by having Uhuru Kenyatta and William Samoei Ruto in jail. They will fail miserably in their attempts. Uhuru and Ruto are going mowhere. I am sure you have heard about the ordeals of a drowning man and how that usually ends. That's what we are experiencing with the once mighty ODM. Bure kabisa hii watu, they have simply run out of ideas. mwalimu mkuu, Have you also heard this rumour via one of your own information sources?
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Apr 18, 2012 18:21:31 GMT 3
OO, This is obviusly not true. It is part of the ODM's desperate campaign. ODM seems to strongly believe that their one and only path to presidency is by having Uhuru Kenyatta and William Samoei Ruto in jail. They will fail miserably in their attempts. Uhuru and Ruto are going mowhere. I am sure you have heard about the ordeals of a drowning man and how that usually ends. That's what we are experiencing with the once mighty ODM. Bure kabisa hii watu, they have simply run out of ideas. mwalimu mkuu, Have you also heard this rumour via one of your own information sources? Merlin,Which rumour? I am lost.
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 18, 2012 18:36:50 GMT 3
Here is what I overheard in a noisy, crowded BAR a few days ago :Some people were recently smuggled into the country via Tanzania using diplomatic passports. Foreign Minister Prof. Ongeri is said to have facilitated them. Their mission was to kill Prime Minister Raila Odinga in the hotel (in Mombasa) he was staying in. Apparently after his death, to mollify the aggrieved Luos, the forces behind the assassination would throw their full weight behind Raphael Tuju. Unfortunately for the plotters, some patriotic members of NSIS intercepted and recorded a planning meeting to carry out this dastardly deed. They later passed a copy of their recording to members of the diplomatic community who then passed the tape on to Raila who then leaked it to Midiwo.Could the NSIS personnel embedded here in Jukwaa confirm whether this rumour that I have just mongered IDLE or actually spot on the actual facts? Onyango Oloo Nairobi, Kenya Oloo,This thing is beginning to look pretty deadly. Like I said before these crazy fellas are capabale of blowing up the country and they could very well try to do so. For what was supposed to be just some noise from Jakoyo Midiwo, the whole thing has taken a very serious turn. Uhuru and Ruto have been summoned. Some security chaps are entangled in this. Of course nobody in their right mind can trust the cops. Tobiko their own boy almost got blown or at least warned. Oh dear. The story or romour you have reported sounds very credible. It seems someone leaked some info and it is deadly info. It is also obvious Midiwo did not open his mouth without at least talking to Raila's security folks. He can't do that. If Raila and his security folks decided this was cerdibl and too deadly to keep quiet about, it tells me they did their home work. As you said, let the NSIS moles in Jukwaa (they are many) help us unravel the mess. But then again may be the NSIS moles in Jukwaa are ot the patriotic ones. Who knows.
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Post by jakaswanga on Apr 18, 2012 18:55:24 GMT 3
Here is what I overheard in a noisy, crowded BAR a few days ago :(...) Could the NSIS personnel embedded here in Jukwaa confirm whether this rumour that I have just mongered IDLE or actually spot on the actual facts? Onyango Oloo Nairobi, Kenya Mr. Adminstrator,We, the embedded NSIS personel in cyber communities, do not enjoy this kind of humour! How can we confirm or deny any info, idle rumour or solid fact, without exposing ourselves whilst we are on covert duty? We conseder your remarks highly unpatriotic, and an insult to the intelligence of the Kenyan intelligence community at large, and to NSIS cyber intelligece operatives in particular. The rumour is the report was first leaked to Raila, who leaked it to Midiwo, only for Midiwo to dramatically surprise Raila with it during a funeral, and evoke tears from the PM's eyes? Such an astonishing feat of orchestrated theatrical duplicity is definately outside the repertoir, artistic or political, of a bar-thug like Midiwo and a honourable man the caliber of the PM! And Ongeri is too wary to knowingly let smuggle assassins from Tanzania, not after the Artur brothers, but majorly because our brothers and sisters in Tanzanian intelligence are too much on top of their game when it comes to incidences which can affect their relationships with their neighbours. Honestly the Tanzanians have gaped at how our NSIS have behaved in the forgeries saga which pitted us against the british. Remember too, it is like the Tanzanians do not seem to want to play any role in Somalia. Why? It is not that their politicians are not eager, it is just that their intelligence services have put down an analysis of Somalia which no Tanzanian politician or soldier has had the capacity to override, even with great sums of offered money from you know where. --That is what we mean by the guys are on top of their game! Assassinns smuggled from Tanzania to kill the leading presidential candidate in Kenya, would raise a whiff of Tanzanian complicity, and likely disturb the loyalty of the Tanzanian Luo to Tanzania. Social cohesion is important to the Tanzanians. But you are free to think the Tanzanians discovered the plot and tipped Midiwo! I couldn't possibly comment on that!
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Post by topnotch on Apr 18, 2012 19:22:04 GMT 3
Midiwo's rural home was raided by uniformed men just after he made the allegations. Did they go to seek drinking water?
By then, whatever they went to look for had been duplicated into several copies, with one ending on the desk of DPP.
Timing is everything folks. And I'm talking of the future here.
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Post by emali on Apr 18, 2012 19:29:04 GMT 3
Here is what I overheard in a noisy, crowded BAR a few days ago :Some people were recently smuggled into the country via Tanzania using diplomatic passports. Foreign Minister Prof. Ongeri is said to have facilitated them. Their mission was to kill Prime Minister Raila Odinga in the hotel (in Mombasa) he was staying in. Apparently after his death, to mollify the aggrieved Luos, the forces behind the assassination would throw their full weight behind Raphael Tuju. Unfortunately for the plotters, some patriotic members of NSIS intercepted and recorded a planning meeting to carry out this dastardly deed. They later passed a copy of their recording to members of the diplomatic community who then passed the tape on to Raila who then leaked it to Midiwo.Could the NSIS personnel embedded here in Jukwaa confirm whether this rumour that I have just mongered IDLE or actually spot on the actual facts? I heard a very different version but what I do know FOR SURE is the Tobiko one has nothing whatsover to do with this Jakoyo one...that one was just a bunch of thugs & to the uninitiated do not ever use the southern bypass (btw Langata rd & Ngong rd) even during the day unless you want to make an acquintance with some ATM bandits... IMHO this Jakoyo business is just hot air and it has suceeded immensely abit like the dossier for the Uhuru folks... I'm no NSIS incase anyone is asking....
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Post by mank on Apr 18, 2012 20:50:42 GMT 3
Here is what I overheard in a noisy, crowded BAR a few days ago :
Some people were recently smuggled into the country via Tanzania using diplomatic passports. Foreign Minister Prof. Ongeri is said to have facilitated them. Their mission was to kill Prime Minister Raila Odinga in the hotel (in Mombasa) he was staying in. Apparently after his death, to mollify the aggrieved Luos, the forces behind the assassination would throw their full weight behind Raphael Tuju. Unfortunately for the plotters, some patriotic members of NSIS intercepted and recorded a planning meeting to carry out this dastardly deed. They later passed a copy of their recording to members of the diplomatic community who then passed the tape on to Raila who then leaked it to Midiwo.
Could the NSIS personnel embedded here in Jukwaa confirm whether this rumour that I have just mongered IDLE or actually spot on the actual facts?
Onyango Oloo Nairobi, Kenya So that's how this info finds its way to Midiwo! And so Midiwo would be right ... technically (but theatrical), that he did not inform Raila. Would patriotic NSIS personnel be satisfied with passing the info to members of the diplomatic community, or would there be further expectations of them? What is NSIS modus operandi?
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Post by phil on Apr 18, 2012 21:17:00 GMT 3
Phil,So in your sophisticated thinking, when people record statements and the PM's security is beefed up is a true indicator to threats to his life? You at times amaze me with how mature some thinking can really get. Maybe to the level of senility? You started by the stupid insinuation that ODM is behind the ICC cases to get Uhuru and Ruto out of the way for Raila. Well, I will live it for Jukwaa to judge for themselves. Then you go on to attempt to brush aside allegations of threats to the PM's life, a PM whom you appear to paint as strictly a Prime Minister of ODM and not Prime Minister of Kenya. Yet, in their wisdom, the DPP and the police have acted upon what you call 'ODM's desperate campaigns'. What was Ouko's, Mbai's or Mboya's desparate campaign? How desperate were Oscar foundation officials? Has any of these cases been investigated and prosecuted? How much more juvenile do you want to be? Its a free world.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2012 21:25:48 GMT 3
Here is what I overheard in a noisy, crowded BAR a few days ago :(...) Could the NSIS personnel embedded here in Jukwaa confirm whether this rumour that I have just mongered IDLE or actually spot on the actual facts? Onyango Oloo Nairobi, Kenya Mr. Adminstrator,We, the embedded NSIS personel in cyber communities, do not enjoy this kind of humour! How can we confirm or deny any info, idle rumour or solid fact, without exposing ourselves whilst we are on covert duty? We conseder your remarks highly unpatriotic, and an insult to the intelligence of the Kenyan intelligence community at large, and to NSIS cyber intelligece operatives in particular. The rumour is the report was first leaked to Raila, who leaked it to Midiwo, only for Midiwo to dramatically surprise Raila with it during a funeral, and evoke tears from the PM's eyes? Such an astonishing feat of orchestrated theatrical duplicity is definately outside the repertoir, artistic or political, of a bar-thug like Midiwo and a honourable man the caliber of the PM! And Ongeri is too wary to knowingly let smuggle assassins from Tanzania, not after the Artur brothers, but majorly because our brothers and sisters in Tanzanian intelligence are too much on top of their game when it comes to incidences which can affect their relationships with their neighbours. Honestly the Tanzanians have gaped at how our NSIS have behaved in the forgeries saga which pitted us against the british. Remember too, it is like the Tanzanians do not seem to want to play any role in Somalia. Why? It is not that their politicians are not eager, it is just that their intelligence services have put down an analysis of Somalia which no Tanzanian politician or soldier has had the capacity to override, even with great sums of offered money from you know where. --That is what we mean by the guys are on top of their game! Assassinns smuggled from Tanzania to kill the leading presidential candidate in Kenya, would raise a whiff of Tanzanian complicity, and likely disturb the loyalty of the Tanzanian Luo to Tanzania. Social cohesion is important to the Tanzanians. But you are free to think the Tanzanians discovered the plot and tipped Midiwo! I couldn't possibly comment on that! jakaswangaIt's a breath of fresh East African air to know that the Tanzanian security forces keep it professional unlike the bad joke we've got in Kenya. I think OO said that the mercenaries were to come into the country through Tanzania. Not that they emanate from T.Z.
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Post by OtishOtish on Apr 18, 2012 23:22:42 GMT 3
The rumour is the report was first leaked to Raila, who leaked it to Midiwo, only for Midiwo to dramatically surprise Raila with it during a funeral, and evoke tears from the PM's eyes? Such an astonishing feat of orchestrated theatrical duplicity is definately outside the repertoir, artistic or political, of a bar-thug like Midiwo and a honourable man the caliber of the PM. ;D ;D
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Post by jeff on Apr 19, 2012 17:42:05 GMT 3
Here is what I overheard in a noisy, crowded BAR a few days ago :Some people were recently smuggled into the country via Tanzania using diplomatic passports. Foreign Minister Prof. Ongeri is said to have facilitated them. Their mission was to kill Prime Minister Raila Odinga in the hotel (in Mombasa) he was staying in. Apparently after his death, to mollify the aggrieved Luos, the forces behind the assassination would throw their full weight behind Raphael Tuju. Unfortunately for the plotters, some patriotic members of NSIS intercepted and recorded a planning meeting to carry out this dastardly deed. They later passed a copy of their recording to members of the diplomatic community who then passed the tape on to Raila who then leaked it to Midiwo.Could the NSIS personnel embedded here in Jukwaa confirm whether this rumour that I have just mongered IDLE or actually spot on the actual facts? I heard a very different version but what I do know FOR SURE is the Tobiko one has nothing whatsover to do with this Jakoyo one...that one was just a bunch of thugs & to the uninitiated do not ever use the southern bypass (btw Langata rd & Ngong rd) even during the day unless you want to make an acquintance with some ATM bandits... IMHO this Jakoyo business is just hot air and it has suceeded immensely abit like the dossier for the Uhuru folks... I'm no NSIS incase anyone is asking.... Emali, Are you introducing a new twist to this saga? If i read you correctly you are implying that the actual target was Tobiko. The 'revelation' by Midiwo i think occurred in the same weekend Tobiko's car was attacked. I know some people have not been comfortable with the DPP. But is this what you are pointing at or i am wrong?
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 19, 2012 18:14:02 GMT 3
Here is what I overheard in a noisy, crowded BAR a few days ago :Some people were recently smuggled into the country via Tanzania using diplomatic passports. Foreign Minister Prof. Ongeri is said to have facilitated them. Their mission was to kill Prime Minister Raila Odinga in the hotel (in Mombasa) he was staying in. Apparently after his death, to mollify the aggrieved Luos, the forces behind the assassination would throw their full weight behind Raphael Tuju. Unfortunately for the plotters, some patriotic members of NSIS intercepted and recorded a planning meeting to carry out this dastardly deed. They later passed a copy of their recording to members of the diplomatic community who then passed the tape on to Raila who then leaked it to Midiwo.Could the NSIS personnel embedded here in Jukwaa confirm whether this rumour that I have just mongered IDLE or actually spot on the actual facts? Onyango Oloo Nairobi, Kenya OO, This is obviusly not true. It is part of the ODM's desperate campaign. ODM seems to strongly believe that their one and only path to presidency is by having Uhuru Kenyatta and William Samoei Ruto in jail. They will fail miserably in their attempts. Uhuru and Ruto are going mowhere. I am sure you have heard about the ordeals of a drowning man and how that usually ends. That's what we are experiencing with the once mighty ODM. Bure kabisa hii watu, they have simply run out of ideas. I guess the NSIS embedded here in Jukwaa answered you clearly ;D what say you
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Post by emali on Apr 19, 2012 18:23:03 GMT 3
Here is what I overheard in a noisy, crowded BAR a few days ago :Some people were recently smuggled into the country via Tanzania using diplomatic passports. Foreign Minister Prof. Ongeri is said to have facilitated them. Their mission was to kill Prime Minister Raila Odinga in the hotel (in Mombasa) he was staying in. Apparently after his death, to mollify the aggrieved Luos, the forces behind the assassination would throw their full weight behind Raphael Tuju. Unfortunately for the plotters, some patriotic members of NSIS intercepted and recorded a planning meeting to carry out this dastardly deed. They later passed a copy of their recording to members of the diplomatic community who then passed the tape on to Raila who then leaked it to Midiwo.Could the NSIS personnel embedded here in Jukwaa confirm whether this rumour that I have just mongered IDLE or actually spot on the actual facts? I heard a very different version but what I do know FOR SURE is the Tobiko one has nothing whatsover to do with this Jakoyo one...that one was just a bunch of thugs & to the uninitiated do not ever use the southern bypass (btw Langata rd & Ngong rd) even during the day unless you want to make an acquintance with some ATM bandits... IMHO this Jakoyo business is just hot air and it has suceeded immensely abit like the dossier for the Uhuru folks... I'm no NSIS incase anyone is asking.... Emali, Are you introducing a new twist to this saga? If i read you correctly you are implying that the actual target was Tobiko. The 'revelation' by Midiwo i think occurred in the same weekend Tobiko's car was attacked. I know some people have not been comfortable with the DPP. But is this what you are pointing at or i am wrong? @ Jeff No I am not introducing a new twist,what I meant was Tobiko's car being fired upon had no connection to Tobiko directing the police to Investigate Midiwo's assasination claims...the first part where I say 'I heard a very different version' I am reffering to Oloo's account of what he overheard in a pub... what I heard is as sensational as Oloo's only more dramatic & didn't see the need to post it because I don't believe a word of it...
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 19, 2012 18:23:53 GMT 3
Here is what I overheard in a noisy, crowded BAR a few days ago :(...) Could the NSIS personnel embedded here in Jukwaa confirm whether this rumour that I have just mongered IDLE or actually spot on the actual facts? Onyango Oloo Nairobi, Kenya Mr. Adminstrator,We, the embedded NSIS personel in cyber communities, do not enjoy this kind of humour! How can we confirm or deny any info, idle rumour or solid fact, without exposing ourselves whilst we are on covert duty? We conseder your remarks highly unpatriotic, and an insult to the intelligence of the Kenyan intelligence community at large, and to NSIS cyber intelligece operatives in particular. The rumour is the report was first leaked to Raila, who leaked it to Midiwo, only for Midiwo to dramatically surprise Raila with it during a funeral, and evoke tears from the PM's eyes? Such an astonishing feat of orchestrated theatrical duplicity is definately outside the repertoir, artistic or political, of a bar-thug like Midiwo and a honourable man the caliber of the PM! And Ongeri is too wary to knowingly let smuggle assassins from Tanzania, not after the Artur brothers, but majorly because our brothers and sisters in Tanzanian intelligence are too much on top of their game when it comes to incidences which can affect their relationships with their neighbours. Honestly the Tanzanians have gaped at how our NSIS have behaved in the forgeries saga which pitted us against the british. Remember too, it is like the Tanzanians do not seem to want to play any role in Somalia. Why? It is not that their politicians are not eager, it is just that their intelligence services have put down an analysis of Somalia which no Tanzanian politician or soldier has had the capacity to override, even with great sums of offered money from you know where. --That is what we mean by the guys are on top of their game! Assassinns smuggled from Tanzania to kill the leading presidential candidate in Kenya, would raise a whiff of Tanzanian complicity, and likely disturb the loyalty of the Tanzanian Luo to Tanzania. Social cohesion is important to the Tanzanians. But you are free to think the Tanzanians discovered the plot and tipped Midiwo! I couldn't possibly comment on that! the Administrator didn't mention any names.. he was just musing which is his right.. and some Jukwaa members hate the fact that some sleazy slimy individuals working for the NSIS are here to spy on them! why should members not be outraged if indeed such individuals share the same platform since what they are here for is to post misinformation? YES LET THE sleazy NSIS MOLES ON HERE TELL KENYANS HOW THE PLOT WENT DOWN! bure kabisa.. those who protest too much normally have something to hide ama!!
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Post by jakaswanga on Apr 19, 2012 19:34:54 GMT 3
the Administrator didn't mention any names.. he was just musing which is his right.. Reporter,The adminstrator is on written record, importing he always assumes an array of intel-orgs monitor his board. So the musing has a deadly undertone, even if presented casually. and some Jukwaa members hate the fact that some sleazy slimy individuals working for the NSIS are here to spy on them! why should members not be outraged if indeed such individuals share the same platform since what they are here for is to post misinformation? They post the misinformation to dry-run its effectivity, that is, testing it against the brightest and the best --(don't we ever blow our own trumpet so on this space ? So that they can modify, correct or just go back to the drawing board. --For instance on the Somali invasion, the NSIS just gave up on the misinformation altogether! No spying going on. Just a window into independent commentry. TheKenyan papers are too full of pre-paid put ups! even the worst intelligence services want a window to fresh air! YES LET THE sleazy NSIS MOLES ON HERE TELL KENYANS HOW THE PLOT WENT DOWN! bure kabisa.. those who protest too much normally have something to hide ama!! [/size][/quote] Classified you know! And we all have things to hide, and the intelligence services the most. So hire a best private detective or chill!
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 19, 2012 22:11:41 GMT 3
the Administrator didn't mention any names.. he was just musing which is his right.. Reporter,The adminstrator is on written record, importing he always assumes an array of intel-orgs monitor his board. So the musing has a deadly undertone, even if presented casually. They post the misinformation to dry-run its effectivity, that is, testing it against the brightest and the best --(don't we ever blow our own trumpet so on this space ? So that they can modify, correct or just go back to the drawing board. --For instance on the Somali invasion, the NSIS just gave up on the misinformation altogether! No spying going on. Just a window into independent commentry. TheKenyan papers are too full of pre-paid put ups! even the worst intelligence services want a window to fresh air! YES LET THE sleazy NSIS MOLES ON HERE TELL KENYANS HOW THE PLOT WENT DOWN! bure kabisa.. those who protest too much normally have something to hide ama!! [/size][/quote] Classified you know! And we all have things to hide, and the intelligence services the most. So hire a best private detective or chill![/quote] Like I indicated there is nothing sinter or dangerous in regards to Oloo's post here, only those in fear are moles that are up-to no good, it is upto Kenyans citizens to call them out? what a bunch of losers! As for kenyans having anything to hide it is in the context of the usual staying anonymous in regards to their privacy but not because they are engaged or are part of " plotting to kill Members of parliament or public citizens or one that is involved and paid to spy for those who plot to destroy our motherland! EVEN HITLER WHO HAD MASSIVE INTELLIGENCE FORCES WAS DEFEATED! Those who live in fear of losing power usually set up espionage work by setting up a ring of snitches or agents-in-place such us Jukwaa blogs including other blogs.. what a waste of time!! they are such an eyesore when they post arguments on here.. they have no clue or idea how to camouflage themselves on blogs... defeat is around the corner and there is nothing they can do about it with their over paid useless snitches & spies can't stop the tsunami that is heading their way ;D Kenya has an intelligent mass citizenry that won't be hood-wicked moving forward.
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Post by omundu on Apr 19, 2012 22:54:22 GMT 3
The comments post double o's. Comment on the NSIS in jukwaa remind me of a saying (don't remember where I heard it) " when you throw a rock at a pack of wolves, the one that yelps the loudest is the one that has been hit"
Well, we all know that the NSIS inductees undergo rigorous training in matters intelligence, counter intelligence e.t.c we also know that they are still human, irregardless of the training they undergoa( the recent american secret service debacle with ladies of pleasure springs to mind). One of the key aspects in intelligence is "human nature" the more things change, the more they remain the same, and that is because human feelings have been the same since antiquity.
What am I getting at? We only judge best when we do in retrospect. All that jakaswanga may be hinting at is that that there is a kaleidoscope of factors (including human nature...like the pride of an organisation as a body) that is taken into focus when dealing with intelligence issues.
That said, I would hasten to add my own musings to jakaswangas and others: could it be that the nsis, as a matter of pride, as in "not on my watch" would not want to plunge the country into the abyss that would proceed an assassination of that nature? Could it be that, whole serving their paymasters interests, they actually still did their service to the country by using other channels to inform the public thus nipping the plot in the bud?
Intelligence services, like human nature, in only understood in different shades of grays and blacks.
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