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Post by adongo23456 on Jul 4, 2012 12:17:20 GMT 3
Kamale,If we were to wait for some of you guys to ever take any action to defend the dignity of the nation, we would still be wallowing in the Moi dictatorship which was OK to you folks just like Kibaki is. People who worship status quo never can place their minds outside the box. That is why everytime Kibaki "fukcs" up to use your own words you guys jump up singing after him and shouting about how nobody will stop them and everytime we stop them you guys are forced to shut up. Go down the list and see how far deep you guys have been stuck with Kibaki and then kaboom Kenyans catch up with the conman and eggful faces galore. We don't worry about that. It is work. Adongo Characters like are actuay a danger to a country like ours when you start having a barometer of who is pro-change and who is not reminds me of who was more 'nyayo' than the one in the PLU barometer of Moi's politics! You do not have to throw stones (go to jail) or make headlines to be the reformist and the world is littered with such reformist who were nothing more than self-centred bigots. You will see such characters in Kiraitu, Raila and shamefully Orengo all of whom will not see a cookie jar open and not dip their fingers! You might as well give me Charles Njonjo any day! Kamale,Even people who helped Moi killl people and destroy the country, some of whom are in parliament today yell at at us about how they are the future of our country. They think we are a country of fools. Well that is what they thought when they were killing fellow Kenyans with their then god Arap Moi. That didn't last forever, did it? We have come a long way and we know how. I don't think we need that many lectures forget any example from the Kamales of Kenya. They think the country will just change itself and they think the status quo is god given and must be worshipped. Poor things. The nation moves on, today very different from what it was just ten years ago. We are in it for the long haul. Hakuna shida.
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Post by phil on Jul 4, 2012 21:21:43 GMT 3
Ladies and Gentlemen, The website is now LIVE. raila-odinga.com/new/splash.phpEngage with Raila Odinga directly at this site. Very impressive website I must say. This is not a time for projects. It is Kenya's moment!!!!
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Post by phil on Jul 4, 2012 21:34:56 GMT 3
Tume toka mbali
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Post by phil on Jul 5, 2012 7:35:11 GMT 3
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Post by b6k on Jul 5, 2012 8:56:57 GMT 3
Ladies and Gentlemen, The website is now LIVE. raila-odinga.com/new/splash.phpEngage with Raila Odinga directly at this site. Very impressive website I must say. This is not a time for projects. It is Kenya's moment!!!! Phil, kudos to team Orange on a very well thought out website. It makes for a good read. One thing I have noticed though, is on the "Cry Freedom" section, the link to "Mega Scandals" is conspicuously blank. Does the PM have nothing to say about Mega Scandals, or are they also coming soon....
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Post by stibin on Jul 5, 2012 10:20:38 GMT 3
Quite an appealing site but being passionate about corruption I couldn’t help notice inadequacy in Raila’s take on corruption (under Where Do We Go section). Too long a diatribe with only one sentence mentioning corruption!
It’s crucial we hear Raila’s take on issues such as - Taming high level corruption. - Recovery of billions in foreign accounts. - De-politicising KACC e.t.c
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Post by mintos on Jul 5, 2012 11:37:47 GMT 3
won't be suprised if the site is hacked like the last one
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Post by 50cents on Jul 5, 2012 12:00:12 GMT 3
Am not sure about the flash used.
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Post by Titchaz on Jul 5, 2012 18:09:25 GMT 3
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Post by Titchaz on Jul 5, 2012 18:13:41 GMT 3
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Post by wilsonle on Jul 5, 2012 18:46:44 GMT 3
www.raila-odinga.com/Prime Minister Raila Odinga is due to launch his official presidential campaign on social media and world wide web on 4th July 2012. In what promises to be an event that will shift gears in the presidential race, Raila Secretariat is already on twitter (handle = @raila4president) marketing the launch and promising its followers that its 1000 follower will be invited to attend the launch. raila-odinga.com is expected to have both an English and a Swahili Version - a first for Kenyan politics. Raila Odinga's pledge is to promote Nationalism and the love for our country under the banner of One Kenya, One People, One Nation. Mark you diaries ladies and gents! Or better still follow @raila4president on twitter. Phil et alOdinga share incumbency with EMILIO.... he should have tod us Kazi iendelee but not hogwash lies of change. which change does an incumbent brings
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Post by merlin on Jul 5, 2012 18:49:55 GMT 3
www.raila-odinga.com/Prime Minister Raila Odinga is due to launch his official presidential campaign on social media and world wide web on 4th July 2012. In what promises to be an event that will shift gears in the presidential race, Raila Secretariat is already on twitter (handle = @raila4president) marketing the launch and promising its followers that its 1000 follower will be invited to attend the launch. raila-odinga.com is expected to have both an English and a Swahili Version - a first for Kenyan politics. Raila Odinga's pledge is to promote Nationalism and the love for our country under the banner of One Kenya, One People, One Nation. Mark you diaries ladies and gents! Or better still follow @raila4president on twitter. Phil You will pardon my skeptism of the slogan Change is Coming being used by Raila. Same strategy of 2007 of promising change and even when sh!t hit the fan and the man ended up being the 2nd most powerful man in Kenya, there has been little change initiated by him and we have had more stories of theft and plunder from ministers allied to ODM than even those of 'that other side'. Moral: Pick a slogan that will not be used against you! Kamalet,Fair-weather reformersSorry, a bit late and practically outdated on your comment of not seeing any change; though today I read in the Standard the following appropriate comment by Okech Kendo regarding your unsightness which I would not like to withhold from you. It cannot be true that Kenya no longer needs reform-minded leaders, as some fair-weather change activists would like you to believe. And while they claim the reform chapter is a done deal, these former reformers are actually playing their master’s tune. This tune may not be consistent with the national interest.
National interest The public interest is to have the new Constitution implemented in letter and spirit. This will take patriotic, resolute leadership, and a long time to realise. This business is beyond pretenders to reform who may be torn between the status quo and the national interest. It is precisely because of indecision and a Coalition Government working at cross-purposes that police reforms have stalled.
Read more: www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000061174&story_title=How%20to%20pick%20out%20fair-weather%20reformers
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Post by raiswakesho on Jul 5, 2012 19:31:13 GMT 3
Sometimes you wonder what kind of Kenya some Kenyans really want! We should let those who are living in denial to continue enjoying their slumber.
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Post by akinyi2005 on Jul 5, 2012 19:53:10 GMT 3
wow! is anything happening in other parties? wasn't surprised to see sonko and weke dancing away the night at imperial hotel ksm (odm's little black dress event).
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Post by jonah on Jul 5, 2012 22:21:38 GMT 3
On Saba Saba Day this year 2012, Remember the Kenyan Pro-Democracy Martyrs, their Movement and their purpose : blog.marsgroupkenya.org/?p=1686 Hold On, Change is Coming!
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Post by b6k on Jul 7, 2012 10:20:59 GMT 3
Ladies and Gentlemen, The website is now LIVE. raila-odinga.com/new/splash.phpEngage with Raila Odinga directly at this site. Very impressive website I must say. This is not a time for projects. It is Kenya's moment!!!! Phil, kudos to team Orange on a very well thought out website. It makes for a good read. One thing I have noticed though, is on the "Cry Freedom" section, the link to "Mega Scandals" is conspicuously blank. Does the PM have nothing to say about Mega Scandals, or are they also coming soon.... It's interesting to note that Team Orange's fix of the lack of content in the Mega Scandals section has been to remove it from the website all together. As I have always said, change cannot come from the existing leadership. All we can expect from them is the usual sweeping stuff under the rug as Team Orange seem intent to do ;D
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Post by bob on Jul 7, 2012 12:32:53 GMT 3
Phil, kudos to team Orange on a very well thought out website. It makes for a good read. One thing I have noticed though, is on the "Cry Freedom" section, the link to "Mega Scandals" is conspicuously blank. Does the PM have nothing to say about Mega Scandals, or are they also coming soon.... It's interesting to note that Team Orange's fix of the lack of content in the Mega Scandals section has been to remove it from the website all together. As I have always said, change cannot come from the existing leadership. All we can expect from them is the usual sweeping stuff under the rug as Team Orange seem intent to do ;D You will wait till Jesus comes to get the ideal politician who will take you to the holy land. This is basically a campaign platform that & any right thinking politician will always display material that can only propel him or her to the office on the hill,so I suggest we start being real to ourselves. If anything when faced with two evils always go for the lesser evil & we all know whom we are talking about so without mentioning names it is prop estrous to think that now that we already have a new constitution then we can give any tom ,dick & harry the job to implement it. That is sickening to say the least. On a second thought the reason some wannabes what to lead the country is that they know Kenyans are peace loving & that the can break the law & get away with it. Washindwe!
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Post by wilsonle on Jul 7, 2012 13:00:57 GMT 3
Adongo You take yourself too seriously when it comes to Raila! He is not life and death so allow yourself a laugh if not some criticism! No I take the country very seriously. You should too. It is neither's Kibaki's nor Raila's. Whe we fight for change it is for us not for them. When we stop the imposition of PA system through the backdoor, it is for the good of the country not for Raila. When we stop Kibaki from imposing his hand picked CJ to ruin the katiba it is for us not for Raila. Look at the difference that has made. It is like day and night, isn't it? Adongo, you should read OO thread Miguna, Mutunga & Memory demokrasia-kenya.blogspot.com/2012/07/mutunga-miguna-memory.html and know All that glitters is not Gold. Mutunga is not a saint as you may assume
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Post by Mukwhasi on Jul 7, 2012 21:37:54 GMT 3
I wonder what thw Raila secretariat is doing? ,there is alot of enemy fire toward Agwambo but im yet to see any rebuttals from the secretariat ,even Kalonzo of all people has the nerve to question Rail's reform credentials and mamas boy on the other hand says we do not need reforms ati we need youthful leaders and i ask my self "which youth?" you are 50yrs old dude!
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Post by jakaswanga on Jul 8, 2012 15:07:41 GMT 3
Phil et alOdinga share incumbency with EMILIO.... he should have tod us Kazi iendelee but not hogwash lies of change. which change does an incumbent brings It is quite a point Mr. Sniper!This is akin to what was called the Al-Gore Jinx. How could he disown Clinton this late and last minute, and he had deputized him all those years? Couldn't he just be honest and say continuity? ODM propagandists, I suggest you take a look at those videos as Gore homes on this point! You are lucky Kenya is not America, but that word change from a candidate handicapped by incumbency? even in fishy or bananaland kenya it sounds hollow! Not that you believe it yourselves!
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Post by roughrider on Jul 8, 2012 16:02:00 GMT 3
As we have seen from Kibaki’s attempts to illegally appoint County Commissioners; how the new constitution is implemented is as important as passing it. This behavior is not without precedent. Kenyatta rolled back the independence constitution gains and built an imperial presidency, thereby forestalling the promise of a vibrant post-independence democracy and economic development. It has taken 50 years to undo the damage. We now need a trusted reformer in the pilot’s cockpit. The change promised by the new constitution will not be realized and fully entrenched unless we install a leader with the right mentality and political pedigree.
Raila Odinga is uniquely qualified for this task. He is the ‘enemy within’. He has the experience of being in government long enough to understand how to operate its levers efficiently to effect change. He cut his teeth outside, and in the trenches of struggle and understands the aspirations of reformist ideals encapsulated in the new constitution. He has charisma, respect and authority. He has spine. Indeed, change is coming.
PS: Jakaswanga, perhaps you need time away from Jukwaa. You rush to your keyboard too fast to respond to shallow statements with shallow riposte. In a country which elected Moi, an insider of many years and then Kibaki who was at the apex of government for decades, you still think incumbency is necessarily a millstone and you think a particular incident in US politics bears you out? If you read US political history much longer or thought about Kenyan politics much deeper you would have been reluctant to follow the shallowness of a confessed sniper. Jukwaa is about analysis and depth; Mashada is for knee-jerk sniping.
In the US, perhaps the most important thing to do before vying for the presidency is to get yourself elected as Senator, Governor or VP. The analogous positions currently in Kenya might be minister, prime minister and VP.
That said, Raila Odinga is the only candidate who can claim the experience of incumbency and the pedigree of progressiveness and pro-reformist CV at the same time. If that simple fact makes some Jukwaa throats choke with pain, and tears well with fluid, as if hot rabuon were stuck deep throat; then that is just that.
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Post by okolowaka on Jul 8, 2012 17:13:40 GMT 3
...Change is indeed coming to Kenyana; kudos ODM Team Reloaded for your countrywide rallies; kudos ODM Secretariat for announcing vacancies for elective seats; kudos Raila Presidential Secretariat for launching the campaign website; kudos FORA for keeping vigil on the fight to keep the fire of constitutionalism burning.
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Post by b6k on Jul 8, 2012 17:58:24 GMT 3
As we have seen from Kibaki’s attempts to illegally appoint County Commissioners; how the new constitution is implemented is as important as passing it. This behavior is not without precedent. Kenyatta rolled back the independence constitution gains and built an imperial presidency, thereby forestalling the promise of a vibrant post-independence democracy and economic development. It has taken 50 years to undo the damage. We now need a trusted reformer in the pilot’s cockpit. The change promised by the new constitution will not be realized and fully entrenched unless we install a leader with the right mentality and political pedigree. Raila Odinga is uniquely qualified for this task. He is the ‘enemy within’. He has the experience of being in government long enough to understand how to operate its levers efficiently to effect change. He cut his teeth outside, and in the trenches of struggle and understands the aspirations of reformist ideals encapsulated in the new constitution. He has charisma, respect and authority. He has spine. Indeed, change is coming. PS: Jakaswanga, perhaps you need time away from Jukwaa. You rush to your keyboard too fast to respond to shallow statements with shallow riposte. In a country which elected Moi, an insider of many years and then Kibaki who was at the apex of government for decades, you still think incumbency is necessarily a millstone and you think a particular incident in US politics bears you out? If you read US political history much longer or thought about Kenyan politics much deeper you would have been reluctant to follow the shallowness of a confessed sniper. Jukwaa is about analysis and depth; Mashada is for knee-jerk sniping. In the US, perhaps the most important thing to do before vying for the presidency is to get yourself elected as Senator, Governor or VP. The analogous positions currently in Kenya might be minister, prime minister and VP. That said, Raila Odinga is the only candidate who can claim the experience of incumbency and the pedigree of progressiveness and pro-reformist CV at the same time. If that simple fact makes some Jukwaa throats choke with pain, and tears well with fluid, as if hot rabuon were stuck deep throat; then that is just that. RR, interesting missive. I suppose you imagine that ol' Jomo committed his "sins" in a vacuum. Personally I believe the times, in that day & age, the Cold War that was really white hot provided most if not all our African dictators with the cover to do what they decided to do. These were the days of "he may be a basterd, but he is our basterd" (to borrow the erroneous spelling from Hollywood). Times have changed. GWOT calls for different tactics for one to be seen as part of the coalition of the willing. Raila may have been operating on the back foot when Dubya was in power, but with "cousin" Obama at the White House, he has a distinct advantage to come out on top. The DNA doesn't fall far from the tree....
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Post by jakaswanga on Jul 8, 2012 20:53:18 GMT 3
As we have seen from Kibaki’s attempts to illegally appoint County Commissioners; how the new constitution is implemented is as important as passing it. This behavior is not without precedent. Kenyatta rolled back the independence constitution gains and built an imperial presidency, thereby forestalling the promise of a vibrant post-independence democracy and economic development. It has taken 50 years to undo the damage. We now need a trusted reformer in the pilot’s cockpit. The change promised by the new constitution will not be realized and fully entrenched unless we install a leader with the right mentality and political pedigree. Raila Odinga is uniquely qualified for this task. He is the ‘enemy within’. He has the experience of being in government long enough to understand how to operate its levers efficiently to effect change. He cut his teeth outside, and in the trenches of struggle and understands the aspirations of reformist ideals encapsulated in the new constitution. He has charisma, respect and authority. He has spine. Indeed, change is coming. PS: Jakaswanga, perhaps you need time away from Jukwaa. You rush to your keyboard too fast to respond to shallow statements with shallow riposte. In a country which elected Moi, an insider of many years and then Kibaki who was at the apex of government for decades, you still think incumbency is necessarily a millstone and you think a particular incident in US politics bears you out? If you read US political history much longer or thought about Kenyan politics much deeper you would have been reluctant to follow the shallowness of a confessed sniper. Jukwaa is about analysis and depth; Mashada is for knee-jerk sniping. In the US, perhaps the most important thing to do before vying for the presidency is to get yourself elected as Senator, Governor or VP. The analogous positions currently in Kenya might be minister, prime minister and VP. That said, Raila Odinga is the only candidate who can claim the experience of incumbency and the pedigree of progressiveness and pro-reformist CV at the same time. If that simple fact makes some Jukwaa throats choke with pain, and tears well with fluid, as if hot rabuon were stuck deep throat; then that is just that. RR, 1. incumbency the sword of damoclesIncumbency in Kenya! Hmmm, Moi had to rig himself in! not to mention the desperacy that forced him to organize tribal clashes for efficacy. Then his incumbency was defeated by a popular front with the tosha-MOU. Thereafter incumbent Kibaki had to rig himself back, followed by PEV! Incumbency in Kenya? tell me about it! I called it a handicap! (But yes, Raila being half in power is only half incumbent, scientifically speaking tht is). 2. missus wont let the dog free, so stuck to the keyboard.My missus is keeping a tight leash on me! chained to the house with only the keyboard for toy! Otherwise I would take all the time away from jukwaa, to wander the world in search of the Adhiambo Williamses of the planet! Believe me it is summer here, and I am more interested in moving poetry in personifications -- otishotish says that is what it should be artistically labeled to beat the Mzalendos of jukwaa! Now, I know this is called achiego tiendi ka malit, atalo Raila, sacrillege, and in addition, I raise all the insecurities associated with the saying yie nimo ka chiegni gowo (another missed Luo chance at the presidency would be a trauma); but look here RR, if you want to gloss over the the past 4 thin years in which we have had the Kibaki-Raila tandem, at parity or not, then it will be the clarity of your thinking which will be in question. It has been a conjoined monster, ideologically welded at heart even as the tongues mouth separate sweet-nothings to hoodwink the mass. An act. Attempts to apportion all the shortcomings on MK-mafia and Kibaki intransigence and big gikuyu corruption, the usual suspects, will remain a parochial reading of the heinous reality for the mass, which has been the economic practice of this political behemoth. So just be like the son of my mother with his brutal honesty: giri giri ma kata orach! wan wagoyo kura n'Agwambo gi Jokuoyenego te! Gik ma nyoro Nyong'o gi Karoli giri okwalogo, kata Kosgeygo bende, ok lo ma ne Mudavadi gi Ruto okwalo nene ndalo Moi, to ne warwakogi e pentagon kendo wagoyinigi kura e ODM nyalhodya! Ka inego Jokuoye, to akwongo nego jokuoye maka N'gane!This, for those who do not speak the next 'national' language: What is yours is yours, regardless. We will vote for Raila and his band of thieves. These things Karoli and Nyong'o stole, and the Kosgeys too, weigh no heavier than what Ruto and Mudavadi stole during Moi time. But we welcomed them in the pentagon, and unanimously voted for ODM! When thieves are to be killed, I start with killing the thieves from the neighbouring village! yeah, that is my brother verbatim, like my late father, a man always so clear cut he is a novelty. I think It is this beseiged nationalist consciousness of 'giri giri ma kata orach' which intoxicates the nation ... ( Uhuru ni witu by God on the other side) .. and leads to constellations of ethnic kingpins who can pander to it and concoct their would-be winning formula. Ideology a distant second or third! The evil thing about history is that nations mostly take the wrong turns to keep their story interesting, so I am prepared for a Raila or an Uhuru win at the ballot. I consider Martha Karua the best choice for the country, but Kenyans are not buying this thinking yet. They prefer monarchical, dynastic historical rot to the potential of modern dynamism of Mama Martha. PS: Do not worry about sniper's handle. Question remains. If his co captaincy with Kibaki is something to run away from, --to totally dissociate himself from and yell change, is it that he recognizes the lie he has been living for the past four years, can not be sold as having been in national interest? Otherwise would he not be so proud of it, he would make a dash on it to the finish! Gore's dilemma.
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Post by roughrider on Jul 8, 2012 22:19:39 GMT 3
Jakaswanga;
I do not propose a long argument. Moi was not defeated by oppositionists. He was defeated by insiders: people who understood every last of Moi’s inside tricks and power. Were it not for the host of insiders arrayed against Moi, Uhuru would have been president already. A significant moment for me was when Joseph Kamotho’s acerbic tongue was turned against Moi – 'I have an even bigger dossier on him', crowed Kamotho in response to Moi threats. That day, I knew Moi was sunk. In retrospect, Kanu’s biggest strategic mistake was allowing NDP into their house. The tractor, drawing a multi-toothed plough uprooted everything. Please revisit the momentous events of 2002 and witness for yourself.
As for Raila and his incumbency, let Kenyans decide, ama? Yes, both Raila and Kibaki are incumbent but it is not the same incumbency. We have seen the ODM and the PNU champion different things. What they have pressed for on very many issues were as divergent as night from day. Even today, ODM is opposing Kibaki’s action of appointing County Commissioners. Yet they are both ‘incumbent’.
Martha Karua, whatever her ideas are, has insufficient popular support to make her presidential run serious. That you think she is worthy of our interest suggests that your political antennae needs some retooling. She is of doubtful value even as a running mate.
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