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Post by raiswakesho on Oct 25, 2012 23:07:06 GMT 3
But you might want to ask him if his involvement in the 82 coup attempt that was supposed to derogate the constitution makes him suitable to defend any constitution Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=7118&page=7#ixzz2ALIG7BiaThe question whether RAO was involved in '82 coup is constantly used by people who were very comfortable with happenings of the '80s n '90s or those we call the forces of status quo. I really don't care whether he was involved in the coup but I wish he did. As Thereau once said, noncooperation with evil is as much a moral obligation as is cooperation with good. Moi's gov't was evil and no Kenyan had any obligation to support it, we should be honoring the heroes who took part in the coup. No leader should be allowed to abuse the privilages that come with the office of the presidency. Such leaders should be removed from power by any means necessary. The struggle to free Kenya started in the '80s and RAO should be honored for his struggles...Kamalet and the likes must be reminded that the freedoms they enjoy today were sowed by the likes of RAO.
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Post by phil on Oct 26, 2012 11:37:42 GMT 3
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Post by kamalet on Oct 26, 2012 11:45:03 GMT 3
But you might want to ask him if his involvement in the 82 coup attempt that was supposed to derogate the constitution makes him suitable to defend any constitution Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=7118&page=7#ixzz2ALIG7BiaThe question whether RAO was involved in '82 coup is constantly used by people who were very comfortable with happenings of the '80s n '90s or those we call the forces of status quo. I really don't care whether he was involved in the coup but I wish he did. As Thereau once said, noncooperation with evil is as much a moral obligation as is cooperation with good. Moi's gov't was evil and no Kenyan had any obligation to support it, we should be honoring the heroes who took part in the coup. No leader should be allowed to abuse the privilages that come with the office of the presidency. Such leaders should be removed from power by any means necessary. The struggle to free Kenya started in the '80s and RAO should be honored for his struggles...Kamalet and the likes must be reminded that the freedoms they enjoy today were sowed by the likes of RAO. There were a lot more people in the struggle that did not include in their plans the derogation of a constitution. They fought it out constitutionally.....it is only political power greed that would take you that route! It did not take a gun to remove Moi from power! And if you should know, it is only after 82 that Moi became the dictator he ended up to be and not before. So the removal of dictator Moi was achieved via constitutional means!
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Post by raiswakesho on Oct 26, 2012 17:09:58 GMT 3
The coup plotters were against marginalization and repression that was started under Kenyatta's gov't and continued into Moi's gov't. You should know that Moi exploited the coup attempt to entrench hi evil leadership. Nway, you can believe whatever you want & I'll do the same, we definately differ on the means to an end. I'm more of a radical politician so to me, the end justfies the means.
I must apologize for hijacking this thread with all these BS...Kamalet you can start a new thread so we can continue this discussion if you are still interested but I think nobody cares at this point.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Oct 27, 2012 16:57:07 GMT 3
But you might want to ask him if his involvement in the 82 coup attempt that was supposed to derogate the constitution makes him suitable to defend any constitution Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=7118&page=7#ixzz2ALIG7BiaThe question whether RAO was involved in '82 coup is constantly used by people who were very comfortable with happenings of the '80s n '90s or those we call the forces of status quo. I really don't care whether he was involved in the coup but I wish he did. As Thereau once said, noncooperation with evil is as much a moral obligation as is cooperation with good. Moi's gov't was evil and no Kenyan had any obligation to support it, we should be honoring the heroes who took part in the coup. No leader should be allowed to abuse the privilages that come with the office of the presidency. Such leaders should be removed from power by any means necessary. The struggle to free Kenya started in the '80s and RAO should be honored for his struggles...Kamalet and the likes must be reminded that the freedoms they enjoy today were sowed by the likes of RAO. Rais, You are such a sorry character my friend, more than I could ever imagine. Obviously, your perspective of a radical politician is so 18th century that having a conversion with you on these matters becomes very difficult. As you correctly signed off, believe in whatever you do and let Kenya believe in whatever it does, I have no doubt Kenyans are moving in the right direction and will not allow shady characters like those you pitching for here take them hostage. Read Abdulmote's take on almost a similar issue on the other thread, it may help in framing these issues for you.
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Post by raiswakesho on Oct 28, 2012 16:53:37 GMT 3
Mwalimu,
I'm least concerned about what people think of me but more about what I think of myself. I may come out as a sorry character to you and that's ok. I must add that I will defend to death your right to free speech regardless of how much I may disagree with some of your stuff. What I wouldn't do is engage you in unnecessary verbage.
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Post by OtishOtish on Oct 28, 2012 17:43:58 GMT 3
Mwalimu, I'm least concerned about what people think of me but more about what I think of myself. I may come out as a sorry character to you and that's ok. I must add that I will defend to death your right to free speech regardless of how much I may disagree with some of your stuff. What I wouldn't do is engage you in unnecessary verbage. I too will defend his right to free speech, but not to the death and only as long as it's in a place like Mashada.
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Post by phil on Nov 7, 2012 21:03:01 GMT 3
Join PM Raila Odinga tomorrow morning at 7am (EAT) for #Talk2Raila as we discuss the importance of voter registration. t.co/1sJNtjyZ
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Post by phil on Nov 15, 2012 13:54:22 GMT 3
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Post by Daktari wa makazi on Nov 15, 2012 14:11:17 GMT 3
Phil
This is good - but, how will it add sufuria of ugali to my dining table! Should we not concentrate in what importance the trip will yield to us, Kenyans?
Raila will definitely gain, even if it is only a 'gown', but what about us, Wanjikus? Ama!
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Post by phil on Nov 15, 2012 14:19:08 GMT 3
PhilThis is good - but, how will it add sufuria of ugali to my dining table! Should we not concentrate in what importance the trip will yield to us, Kenyans? Raila will definitely gain, even if it is only a 'gown', but what about us, Wanjikus? Ama! The man is also marketing this country to investors in Malaysia, and also on to Korea. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/PM-Odinga-to-meet-investors-in-Malaysia/-/1064/1620634/-/l0bqh5z/-/index.htmlThe award is unsolicited and highly deserving for all Kenyans considering our retired and serving presidents have not been awarded any significant honour internationally.
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Post by kamalet on Nov 15, 2012 14:37:37 GMT 3
Sitting and hoping that he will not use JKIA loos to change into the gowns!!
My suspicion is that the trip is more of a campaign financing trip than anything else....i.e. that he is the candidate to win it so deal with him!
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Post by Daktari wa makazi on Nov 15, 2012 14:40:30 GMT 3
PhilThis is good - but, how will it add sufuria of ugali to my dining table! Should we not concentrate in what importance the trip will yield to us, Kenyans? Raila will definitely gain, even if it is only a 'gown', but what about us, Wanjikus? Ama! The man is also marketing this country to investors in Malaysia, and also on to Korea. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/PM-Odinga-to-meet-investors-in-Malaysia/-/1064/1620634/-/l0bqh5z/-/index.htmlThe award is unsolicited and highly deserving for all Kenyans considering our retired and serving presidents have not been awarded any significant honour internationally. PhilYou are a funny man! Have you checked the link , above, you gave me, carefully? Here, read between the line, 1. PM Odinga is in Malaysia at the invitation of the Limkokwing University of Creative Technology, which on Saturday will confer him with an honorary Doctorate of Leadership in Societal Development. 2. Limkokwing University of Creative Technology was established in 1991. In Africa, it has campuses in Lesotho, Swaziland and Botswana. The university is working on opening a campus in Kenya. 3. Among outstanding personalities that have received honorary doctorates from the university are Mr Nelson Mandela, former President of South Africa, Mr Festus Mogae, former President of Botswana, Mr Pakalitha Bethuel Mosisili, former Prime Minister of Lesotho, Dr Mahathir Mohamed and Tun Abdul Razak, both former Prime Ministers of Malaysia. Questions.1. Am I right to say that the PM is invited to, ( and conferred honorary degree by), Malaysia by University which wants to open a campus in Nairobi? 2. Is it not the tendency of that University ( from the press coverage) to confer honorary degrees to leaders of countries from which it then open campuses? 3. Would I be right to say that the invite to ,and conferment of, the honorary degree seems to me to be a bribe from a foreign University seeking political patronage in Kenya?
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Post by phil on Nov 15, 2012 15:00:51 GMT 3
Of course I have read the link and I very proud of being a Kenyan right now.
The Ministry of Education issues university charters in collaboration with Office of the President. You guys are reading too much into this, even going as far as suggesting Raila is being bribed by a University to open a branch in Kenya! Jeez. Can you reall substantiate that?
Aren't you proud Kenyans when your leader gets international recognition and negotiates with investors on your behalf?
Mandela's honourary awards are all listed on his foundation website and if Raila decides to show Kenyans what he has won whilst working for them, what is wrong with that?
Moi and Kibaki have bnot won anything worth talking about. Neither have Ruto and Uhuru who have embarrased the country by being indicted at the ICC for heinous crimes against the same people they seek to lead, Trully regrettable! It's quite a different story when you examine Raila's credentials. A breath of fresh air.
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Post by b6k on Nov 15, 2012 16:19:53 GMT 3
Limkokwing? Where's the honour in that? Sounds like a hospital wing for those with limp...
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Post by phil on Nov 15, 2012 17:08:58 GMT 3
Limkokwing? Where's the honour in that? Sounds like a hospital wing for those with limp... exactly! for baboon-like patients with bowel and anal sphincter dysfunction to seek treatment at! so they may regain ability to control wind/stool and stop defecating on every other thread with zero value addition at Jukwaa.
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Post by foresight on Nov 16, 2012 2:44:58 GMT 3
Compare the motive of this trip to Malaysia with recent trips to Tanzania, Burundi, S/Sudan, and still to come Uganda .. The Malaysia trip is in place to point you to the fact that we ought to use our time as leaders championing development across Africa as opposed to entrenching the culture of impunity around the region.
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Post by b6k on Nov 16, 2012 22:13:01 GMT 3
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Post by phil on Nov 18, 2012 10:53:49 GMT 3
PM Odinga in Seoul to sign deal for new power station Posted by PM PRESS SERVICE on November 18, 2012
SEOUL, South Korea, Nov 19 – Prime Minister, Raila Odinga has arrived in Seoul to sign a deal between Daewoo International and the Kenyan Electricity Generating Company (KenGen) for the construction of the largest power station in East Africa.
Daewoo and KenGen will soon get to work building the $1.3bn coal-fired power plant in Kilifi County. The power station will have two turbines each producing 300MW.
Kenya currently has a total installed power capacity of 1,215MW and peak demand can reach 1,150MW.
The government has identified generation of power from clean coal as one of the flagship projects towards attaining the Vision 2030.
Prime Minister Odinga said that energy remains one of the biggest threats to Kenya’s dream of being Africa’s hub for creativity and innovation. Scarcity of power is hampering the country’s appeal as an investment destination, he said.
“Energy is vital for our everyday needs. It is one of the largest household costs… it is core to our economic recovery. We have to deliver new investment to keep the lights on and factories running if we are to create jobs and get our people working. We need to pursue energy from diverse sources if we are to respond to our people’s concerns about prices of power and, of course, we have to be responsible members of the global community by ensuring our energy is green and clean and does not endanger the environment,” the PM said.
“Keeping the lights on” he said, must be a key priority area for Kenya going forward.
“We all agree that energy is a driver of, and prerequisite for development. Without access to modern energy, there can be no development,” Odinga said.
He said huge investments in the energy sector are needed, and the government and private sector need to work together.
“We need to mobilise resources from all available sources. The business community has a key role to play in terms of investing in the energy sector, building infrastructure, creating jobs, and developing new technologies to ensure that the energy we produce is more efficient and comes from low-carbon or renewable sources.”
“This new power station will play a key role in my government’s objective to add 1,500MW of new power capacity by 2019 and put an end to power cuts.”
Nurturing new partnerships to develop Kenya’s infrastructure has been a key objective of the Prime Minister since taking office in 2008.
During this time, Kenya has seen growth in investment which has enabled new projects to get underway, including a $300million venture from the World Bank, announced in August 2012, to develop rapid mass transport systems in Nairobi under the National Urban Transport Improvement Project (NUTRIP).
Other initiatives in the area of energy include the Paris-Nairobi Initiative that, among other things, is driving the Kerosene Free Kenya Initiative.
The PM has in the last four years struck deals with the Republic of France which has seen huge financial support for Kenya’s geothermal energy sector by the French Agency for International Development.
The Prime Minister will also meet with his South Korean counterpart, Kim Hwang-sik, during the visit and promote further collaboration between Kenya and South Korea.
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Post by phil on Nov 25, 2012 18:48:26 GMT 3
Leo in Kabiru Grounds in Dagoretti, Nairobi Rais Mtarajiwa talks to our people. Wote wamesema Agwambo Tosha!
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Post by phil on Nov 25, 2012 21:58:19 GMT 3
Mambo bado. Ongwaro wanasema Thuranira Tosha
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Post by phil on Nov 25, 2012 21:59:37 GMT 3
The ORANGERS
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Post by phil on Nov 27, 2012 10:32:18 GMT 3
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Post by phil on Dec 16, 2012 14:47:36 GMT 3
Guys, www.raila-odinga.comthe website was relaunched today Download and read the man's vision and the revised ODM manifesto. Great stuff.
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Post by joblesscorner on Dec 17, 2012 7:54:10 GMT 3
Phil.I have to agree. I like the website. Guys, www.raila-odinga.comthe website was relaunched today Download and read the man's vision and the revised ODM manifesto. Great stuff.
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